David Kenner is one grimy bastard. I thought Jimmy Lovine was a snake(and he is) but that David?

As fascinating as that documentary is, it was a sad thing to watch. The whole Death Row ordeal is like a Greek tragedy anyway you look at it, it had the potential of being something powerful, had MANY things been checked out at the door.

The "Solar" bit threw me off loop because I sure as hell didn't know about that. Wow!

Harlepolis said:

David Kenner is one grimy bastard. I thought Jimmy Lovine was a snake(and he is) but that David?

As fascinating as that documentary is, it was a sad thing to watch. The whole Death Row ordeal is like a Greek tragedy anyway you look at it, it had the potential of being something powerful, had MANY things been checked out at the door.

The "Solar" bit threw me off loop because I sure as hell didn't know about that. Wow!

There's still a lot of unanswered questions. The truth about Harry-O's involvement, whether Chocolate did actually write Ice Ice Baby or just got Suge to strongarm Ice anyway, Suge holding Eazy at gunpoint for the release of the artists, the real story of how undercover LAPD like David Mack and Ray Perez started working security for Death Row, Suge and his boys physically beating artists like Sam Sneed and Warren G.... and yeah, behind it all you've got Kenner being shady as fuck putting all these bullshit terms in the artists contracts, Suge not paying his artists but instead "gifting" them fancy ass cars and jewellry that only represented a fraction of what the artists were owed.....WAY too much drama there.

Johnny J was my good friend before he passed.... I tried a couple times to get him to open up about some of the real fucked up shit happening at DR, but it was a sensitive subject for him so I let it be. He wasn't trying to get involved in that any more than just making the beats and even then it was pretty much only 'Pac that he was fucking with. He told me he was invited to Vegas for the Tyson/Seldon match but he just couldn't be around all that negativity.

Despite everything I still got mad love for Death Row, to me it's one of the most interesting stories of a record label that there's ever been, and the mystery and mythology is a big part of that.

This is me standing inside the actual elevator in the lobby of the former Death Row Records office in Beverly Hills. This was in 2006 when I was making my Tupac documentary for the BBC, and the building had recently been sold and they were ripping down the insides to renovate. No surprise - the inside of the elevator was painted Blood Red.

I felt a fucked-up vibe just standing in there, like "Damn.... some shit really went down right here."

Harlepolis said:

David Kenner is one grimy bastard. I thought Jimmy Lovine was a snake(and he is) but that David?

As fascinating as that documentary is, it was a sad thing to watch. The whole Death Row ordeal is like a Greek tragedy anyway you look at it, it had the potential of being something powerful, had MANY things been checked out at the door.

The "Solar" bit threw me off loop because I sure as hell didn't know about that. Wow!

I remember watching it like this:

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Militant said:

Harlepolis said:

David Kenner is one grimy bastard. I thought Jimmy Lovine was a snake(and he is) but that David?

As fascinating as that documentary is, it was a sad thing to watch. The whole Death Row ordeal is like a Greek tragedy anyway you look at it, it had the potential of being something powerful, had MANY things been checked out at the door.

The "Solar" bit threw me off loop because I sure as hell didn't know about that. Wow!

There's still a lot of unanswered questions. The truth about Harry-O's involvement, whether Chocolate did actually write Ice Ice Baby or just got Suge to strongarm Ice anyway, Suge holding Eazy at gunpoint for the release of the artists, the real story of how undercover LAPD like David Mack and Ray Perez started working security for Death Row, Suge and his boys physically beating artists like Sam Sneed and Warren G.... and yeah, behind it all you've got Kenner being shady as fuck putting all these bullshit terms in the artists contracts, Suge not paying his artists but instead "gifting" them fancy ass cars and jewellry that only represented a fraction of what the artists were owed.....WAY too much drama there.

Johnny J was my good friend before he passed.... I tried a couple times to get him to open up about some of the real fucked up shit happening at DR, but it was a sensitive subject for him so I let it be. He wasn't trying to get involved in that any more than just making the beats and even then it was pretty much only 'Pac that he was fucking with. He told me he was invited to Vegas for the Tyson/Seldon match but he just couldn't be around all that negativity.

Despite everything I still got mad love for Death Row, to me it's one of the most interesting stories of a record label that there's ever been, and the mystery and mythology is a big part of that.

This is me standing inside the actual elevator in the lobby of the former Death Row Records office in Beverly Hills. This was in 2006 when I was making my Tupac documentary for the BBC, and the building had recently been sold and they were ripping down the insides to renovate. No surprise - the inside of the elevator was painted Blood Red.

I felt a fucked-up vibe just standing in there, like "Damn.... some shit really went down right here."

I bet folks got beat up in that thing.

Timmy84 said:

Militant said:

There's still a lot of unanswered questions. The truth about Harry-O's involvement, whether Chocolate did actually write Ice Ice Baby or just got Suge to strongarm Ice anyway, Suge holding Eazy at gunpoint for the release of the artists, the real story of how undercover LAPD like David Mack and Ray Perez started working security for Death Row, Suge and his boys physically beating artists like Sam Sneed and Warren G.... and yeah, behind it all you've got Kenner being shady as fuck putting all these bullshit terms in the artists contracts, Suge not paying his artists but instead "gifting" them fancy ass cars and jewellry that only represented a fraction of what the artists were owed.....WAY too much drama there.

Johnny J was my good friend before he passed.... I tried a couple times to get him to open up about some of the real fucked up shit happening at DR, but it was a sensitive subject for him so I let it be. He wasn't trying to get involved in that any more than just making the beats and even then it was pretty much only 'Pac that he was fucking with. He told me he was invited to Vegas for the Tyson/Seldon match but he just couldn't be around all that negativity.

Despite everything I still got mad love for Death Row, to me it's one of the most interesting stories of a record label that there's ever been, and the mystery and mythology is a big part of that.

This is me standing inside the actual elevator in the lobby of the former Death Row Records office in Beverly Hills. This was in 2006 when I was making my Tupac documentary for the BBC, and the building had recently been sold and they were ripping down the insides to renovate. No surprise - the inside of the elevator was painted Blood Red.

I felt a fucked-up vibe just standing in there, like "Damn.... some shit really went down right here."

I bet folks got beat up in that thing.

Then that's probably not paint

Damn, Militant. That sent a cold chill down my spine

I don't blame Dr.Dre for clearing the hell outta there. I mean he gave up his ownership of the company which consisted of 50% to get outta there? What in the hell did he witness to walk out empty handed. Whatever it is, he was smart for splitting.

Suge has put his artists on a chock hold, and I've heard some stories, but they were just that; stories. I mean, the faces of the artists who spoke about him in that film said it all, they were scared as all hell even though he was locked up at that point.

The ironic thing is, one of them talked about Dr.Dre and Eazy-E signing your regular "slave contracts" when they were with Ruthless, little did they know what came next.

I'm not really emotionally invested in Pac's music, but his story and he came about is fascinating. The man had good intentions and he was extremely intelligent, no question about that, but his mouth and the folks he kept in his circle were the death of him. God bless him.

Harlepolis said:

Damn, Militant. That sent a cold chill down my spine

I don't blame Dr.Dre for clearing the hell outta there. I mean he gave up his ownership of the company which consisted of 50% to get outta there? What in the hell did he witness to walk out empty handed. Whatever it is, he was smart for splitting.

Suge has put his artists on a chock hold, and I've heard some stories, but they were just that; stories. I mean, the faces of the artists who spoke about him in that film said it all, they were scared as all hell even though he was locked up at that point.

The ironic thing is, one of them talked about Dr.Dre and Eazy-E signing your regular "slave contracts" when they were with Ruthless, little did they know what came next.

I'm not really emotionally invested in Pac's music, but his story and he came about is fascinating. The man had good intentions and he was extremely intelligent, no question about that, but his mouth and the folks he kept in his circle were the death of him. God bless him.

Right and I think a part of 2Pac didn't really trust Suge either but he felt like he was caught. Before his death, most of the money he made went into Suge's account instead of his.

Harlepolis said:

David Kenner is one grimy bastard. I thought Jimmy Lovine was a snake(and he is) but that David?

As fascinating as that documentary is, it was a sad thing to watch. The whole Death Row ordeal is like a Greek tragedy anyway you look at it, it had the potential of being something powerful, had MANY things been checked out at the door.

The "Solar" bit threw me off loop because I sure as hell didn't know about that. Wow!

See there, I told you that Dick Griffery is Suge Knight's uncle.