She's played the piano since she was a little girl. And, can you honestly look at that BTW acapella and say that's an "average" voice?
i can go to like a music festival or board walk and hear bands with female singers who sound just as good or better than lady gaga.
Same here. She has a good voice that leans towards nasal on certain vowels but it's not bad. I just don't find it interesting as far as range, vibrato, dynamics, etc. Vocally she doesn't stick out to me in any sort of way. I might actually by one of her CDs if I liked her voice better.
"Keep in mind that I'm an artist...and I'm sensitive about my shit."--E. Badu
Nah, I doubt it. I mean I think part of their whole gameplan is just saying and doing whatever the fuck to keep people talking, I don't think they care too much if it's good or bad.
Having said that, there was that one journalist who allegedly made Gaga cry with regards to the whole Madonna thing and I don't want to accuse her of being disingenuous emotionally, so who the fuck knows. They obviously know which things they are taking from Madonna and have come to terms with the fact that people are saying it, so they probably don't care anymore, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they do something in a future video that blatantly rips off another really famous thing Madonna did, on purpose, just to keep the fire going, it gives both the stans and the haters something to talk about at the end of the day.... and with songs that are weaker than previous efforts, they'll do whatever they can to keep people talking.
No "stan" here (that really is such an overused word), but whether or not the songs are weaker is a matter of opinion. And, at the rate she's going now, "mimicking" another singer is hardly what's keeping people talking. I mean, "The Edge of Glory" hit #1 on iTunes for a reason. "Born This Way" broke a ten-year record set by Janet for a reason. New music keeps getting released from the record for a reason. People like the music. And, lyrically, her new songs blow most of the stuff by her contemporaries out of the water.
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of course it's a matter of opinion, but from all the music boards i visit, all the social networks, all the people i talk to, all the opinions I see.... it's absolutely undeniable that there's more people disliking the songs from this album than there were for "Fame Monster".
I like Gaga a lot and I've said many times I think "Fame Monster" is damn near flawless. And yet I don't dig any of the three songs we've heard so far from the new record. And I'm hearing the same thing from a lot of people. When "Fame Monster" dropped nobody said SHIT because it was obvious the songs were fucking good. This time around, it ain't so obvious. Records and chart positions don't mean shit anymore, not when Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black have hundreds of millions of views on YouTube, ya dig? The only way is to look at real people and how those people feel, and even on this board alone there's a lot more people who aren't digging the new shit compared to when "Fame Monster" dropped.
No "stan" here (that really is such an overused word), but whether or not the songs are weaker is a matter of opinion. And, at the rate she's going now, "mimicking" another singer is hardly what's keeping people talking. I mean, "The Edge of Glory" hit #1 on iTunes for a reason. "Born This Way" broke a ten-year record set by Janet for a reason. New music keeps getting released from the record for a reason. People like the music. And, lyrically, her new songs blow most of the stuff by her contemporaries out of the water.
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of course it's a matter of opinion, but from all the music boards i visit, all the social networks, all the people i talk to, all the opinions I see.... it's absolutely undeniable that there's more people disliking the songs from this album than there were for "Fame Monster".
I like Gaga a lot and I've said many times I think "Fame Monster" is damn near flawless. And yet I don't dig any of the three songs we've heard so far from the new record. And I'm hearing the same thing from a lot of people. When "Fame Monster" dropped nobody said SHIT because it was obvious the songs were fucking good. This time around, it ain't so obvious. Records and chart positions don't mean shit anymore, not when Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black have hundreds of millions of views on YouTube, ya dig? The only way is to look at real people and how those people feel, and even on this board alone there's a lot more people who aren't digging the new shit compared to when "Fame Monster" dropped.
Well, I don't have tons of time to visit lots of music sites (I'm on this one enough), but it's not really a Fame Monster vs. Born This Way issue. You say when The Fame Monster dropped, nobody said shit, but I can tell you that lots of folks criticized Telephone for not being as good as Bad Romance--some even flat out hated it (although I can't see why, because it's a motherfucking jam). You also say this time around, it's not obvious that the songs are good. Again, that is your opinion (and, obviously the opinions of the folks you talk to, see posting on boards, etc.) But, those people are only a small fraction of the world. The songs released thus far are clearly resonating with the public at large. Born This Way was practically number one globally. Judas, though it didn't do BTW #s, was still a top ten hit in the US and in several countries abroad. The new single is doing big things right out of the gate, and has gotten positive reviews to boot. That, to me, sounds like there are a lot more people liking the music than not.
You forgot Elton John+Cyndi Lauper+Grace Jones+Dale Bozzio...everyone's inspired by/a product of something else. No one is completely, wholly unique. Except for maybe Bjork
Nah, I doubt it. I mean I think part of their whole gameplan is just saying and doing whatever the fuck to keep people talking, I don't think they care too much if it's good or bad.
Having said that, there was that one journalist who allegedly made Gaga cry with regards to the whole Madonna thing and I don't want to accuse her of being disingenuous emotionally, so who the fuck knows. They obviously know which things they are taking from Madonna and have come to terms with the fact that people are saying it, so they probably don't care anymore, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they do something in a future video that blatantly rips off another really famous thing Madonna did, on purpose, just to keep the fire going, it gives both the stans and the haters something to talk about at the end of the day.... and with songs that are weaker than previous efforts, they'll do whatever they can to keep people talking.
Sad. But it's still troubling. I doubt the Madonna comparisons won't stop after this album's run is over and done. This is the period where an artist is in trouble of being overexposed. I wish her success but maybe she needs to watch her hired help though...
Timmy, I totally agree with you. I was wondering why they still had Lady Gaga touring between albums knowing full well that when her new one drops she'd be back on the road for like another two years. I really don't understand why they're pushing her so hard like that when the only place left for her to go is up. I dunno, I guess fame is much shorter lived because we all have 24-hour access to celebrities (except Prince, LOL) and things just become stale much faster than back in the day. You're right, she absolutely needs better management though.
You forgot Elton John+Cyndi Lauper+Grace Jones+Dale Bozzio...everyone's inspired by/a product of something else. No one is completely, wholly unique. Except for maybe Bjork
It's interesting how Lady Gaga defenders will defend her against Madonna comparisons by adding in names of other artists/musicians she's steals from, but almost never argue her originality. Very telling. So she's basically overflowing hodgepodge of a ton of shit the world has already heard and artists who still regularly release albums...but has no swagger of her own. Okay, fine, I agree. Still, I must say that while Madonna may not be the ONLY one Gaga mimicks and plagerizers; she's still at the top of the list.
of course it's a matter of opinion, but from all the music boards i visit, all the social networks, all the people i talk to, all the opinions I see.... it's absolutely undeniable that there's more people disliking the songs from this album than there were for "Fame Monster".
I like Gaga a lot and I've said many times I think "Fame Monster" is damn near flawless. And yet I don't dig any of the three songs we've heard so far from the new record. And I'm hearing the same thing from a lot of people. When "Fame Monster" dropped nobody said SHIT because it was obvious the songs were fucking good. This time around, it ain't so obvious. Records and chart positions don't mean shit anymore, not when Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black have hundreds of millions of views on YouTube, ya dig? The only way is to look at real people and how those people feel, and even on this board alone there's a lot more people who aren't digging the new shit compared to when "Fame Monster" dropped.
Well, I don't have tons of time to visit lots of music sites (I'm on this one enough), but it's not really a Fame Monster vs. Born This Way issue. You say when The Fame Monster dropped, nobody said shit, but I can tell you that lots of folks criticized Telephone for not being as good as Bad Romance--some even flat out hated it (although I can't see why, because it's a motherfucking jam). You also say this time around, it's not obvious that the songs are good. Again, that is your opinion (and, obviously the opinions of the folks you talk to, see posting on boards, etc.) But, those people are only a small fraction of the world. The songs released thus far are clearly resonating with the public at large. Born This Way was practically number one globally. Judas, though it didn't do BTW #s, was still a top ten hit in the US and in several countries abroad. The new single is doing big things right out of the gate, and has gotten positive reviews to boot. That, to me, sounds like there are a lot more people liking the music than not.
Stop obfuscating the issue. Those chart sales and top tens and whatever are gonna be the same regardless.
The fact still remains - across the board, the new songs are generally considered much weaker than the old ones. Almost nobody is saying otherwise. Even most of the stans would agree with that.
But as I said before, I'm holding out hope that the album will still contain some serious jams that are original and not obviously derivative. In that case, it will simply be that they just picked the wrong singles. It happens. But three singles in, that ain't happened yet and if the same shit happens wth "Hair" it ain't a good look. But we'll see.
It's interesting how Lady Gaga defenders will defend her against Madonna comparisons by adding in names of other artists/musicians she's steals from, but almost never argue her originality. Very telling. So she's basically overflowing hodgepodge of a ton of shit the world has already heard and artists who still regularly release albums...but has no swagger of her own. Okay, fine, I agree. Still, I must say that while Madonna may not be the ONLY one Gaga mimicks and plagerizers; she's still at the top of the list.
Why would Gaga "defenders" "defend" against originality? No artist out in the last 50 years was original. Who the hell cares?
Do people think Madonna did it first? Even Grace Jones had a predecessor. PLEASE!
in Gaga's defense....there really is nothing new under the sun.There's no more ground to break.Everything has been done already.Most of today's artists simply take what's already been done and put their own stamp on it.The 80s was probably the last decade when we had truly original artists with original ideas.Seriously,how can any artist be "unique" in 2011?
This creative partner is from Toronto, and has come a long way! I respect her for getting far in her career I did some reading on her and she seems cool and very motivated. She has guts for saying what she did, but I know even she knows there is no other Madonna, but there's nothing wrong with dreaming.
Gaga needs to get rid of her. Her choreography leaves a lot to be desired anyway, and I really cannot believe she just tried to justify ripping off another artist by saying that doing so encourages others to go after their dreams. That shit just doesn't even make sense.
I agree..
But why so many threads devoted to these wack artists?
Well, I don't have tons of time to visit lots of music sites (I'm on this one enough), but it's not really a Fame Monster vs. Born This Way issue. You say when The Fame Monster dropped, nobody said shit, but I can tell you that lots of folks criticized Telephone for not being as good as Bad Romance--some even flat out hated it (although I can't see why, because it's a motherfucking jam). You also say this time around, it's not obvious that the songs are good. Again, that is your opinion (and, obviously the opinions of the folks you talk to, see posting on boards, etc.) But, those people are only a small fraction of the world. The songs released thus far are clearly resonating with the public at large. Born This Way was practically number one globally. Judas, though it didn't do BTW #s, was still a top ten hit in the US and in several countries abroad. The new single is doing big things right out of the gate, and has gotten positive reviews to boot. That, to me, sounds like there are a lot more people liking the music than not.
Stop obfuscating the issue. Those chart sales and top tens and whatever are gonna be the same regardless.
The fact still remains - across the board, the new songs are generally considered much weaker than the old ones. Almost nobody is saying otherwise. Even most of the stans would agree with that.
But as I said before, I'm holding out hope that the album will still contain some serious jams that are original and not obviously derivative. In that case, it will simply be that they just picked the wrong singles. It happens. But three singles in, that ain't happened yet and if the same shit happens wth "Hair" it ain't a good look. But we'll see.
"Obfuscating"? Very good. Look, I can see that we're going to keep disagreeing about this, which is fine, but let me put it to you this way. If I were an artist whose new material was doing as well as Gaga's new stuff is doing, the last thing I'd be is worried--particularly based on how much "better" people allegedly thought my last record was. If my first three singles caused world-wide chatter, broke a ten-year record by a pop icon, shot to number one all over the globe or hit the top ten, and set media outlets and fans ablaze with anticipation and talk, then I'd beg to differ that they were the "wrong picks as singles." As I said, these new songs lyrically shit over all of her contemporary's songs, and for the most part are thematically much deeper (BTW-loving yourself--a message that resonates particularly heavily today given the alarming rate of teen suicides amongst gay youth. JUDAS-equating being in love with a "bad boy" to one of the most infamous men in biblical history. THE EDGE OF GLORY-about that final moment before you take your last breath). Yes, I'd say those themes are deeper than aliens, dancing until the world ends and asking ooh nah nah, what's my name (<---and I love all 3 of those tracks, by the way ).
It's interesting how Lady Gaga defenders will defend her against Madonna comparisons by adding in names of other artists/musicians she's steals from, but almost never argue her originality. Very telling. So she's basically overflowing hodgepodge of a ton of shit the world has already heard and artists who still regularly release albums...but has no swagger of her own. Okay, fine, I agree. Still, I must say that while Madonna may not be the ONLY one Gaga mimicks and plagerizers; she's still at the top of the list.
It's not stealing (fuck what Laurie Ann had to say in that bogus ass article ), and it's not like Madonna wasn't or isn't inspired by what came before her (Marilyn Monroe, Debbie Harry, Prince) or what's hot and happening (Britney, Pharell, and (gack!) Justin Timberlake). Gaga is an amalgamation of many different artists who have OBVIOUSLY had a great influence on her creativity. Hell, MJ and Prince are obvious products of Motown, Hendrix, James Brown et. al. The point is, every artist is a product of what or who has inspired them.
And, until I see Madonna sit down at a piano and play the fuck out of it while wearing an outrageous get-up and belt her heart out (Elton, Grace, Bowie), then yes, I will continue to say that she is not at the top of the "Who Inspired Lady Gaga" list.
It's interesting how Lady Gaga defenders will defend her against Madonna comparisons by adding in names of other artists/musicians she's steals from, but almost never argue her originality. Very telling. So she's basically overflowing hodgepodge of a ton of shit the world has already heard and artists who still regularly release albums...but has no swagger of her own. Okay, fine, I agree. Still, I must say that while Madonna may not be the ONLY one Gaga mimicks and plagerizers; she's still at the top of the list.
I agree with you for the most part,but like I said before....is there any way for a modern-day artist to be "original" these days? What else is there to do? Everything has been done before.Not that I'm defending rippiing off another artist (lol),I'm just trying to put it all in perspective.
wow...her creative director admitted it and still people are in denial about the obvious fact that she's ripping off Madonna big time..I mean of course she had other influences, but no one as clear and up to the face as Madonna...I think mostly people who don't like Madonna are the ones are in denial...but it's so obvious...
wow...her creative director admitted it and still people are in denial about the obvious fact that she's ripping off Madonna big time..I mean of course she had other influences, but no one as clear and up to the face as Madonna...I think mostly people who don't like Madonna are the ones are in denial...but it's so obvious...
Well, I can't speak for others, but I love Madonna. I own lots of her CDs, and have liked her music for over 2 decades, but why should she be the "obvious" one? Because she and Gaga have in common that they're petite caucasion females with bleached hair and outspoken views? Plenty of female artists fit that description. Because she uses religion in her art? There are a myriad of artists who do that as well, and have done it for years. Check out any of Grace Jones' one-woman shows, and listen to her manner of singing (some of Gaga's deeper register vocals are almost uncannily Grace-like) and you tell me who Gaga is really similar to. I'm not saying that Gaga has nothing in common with Madonna at all...that's not the case. But, it seems that nearly every white female pop star who bursts onto the scene is almost instantaneously compared to her, even when the comparison is a longshot (ahem--Britney--ahem). Constantly comparing the two is futile, because at the end of the day Madonna is going to be Madonna, and Gaga is going to be Gaga. Anyway, I'll just sum it all up with this...
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I did some reading on her and she seems cool and very motivated. She has guts for saying what she did, but I know even she knows there is no other Madonna, but there's nothing wrong with dreaming.
