vainandy said:

mjscarousal said:

@ Mickeydolz.... Your right people ARE free to listen to what they want BUT I think its sad how artists who are exactly talented and make creative music get less exposure versus artists who dont make quality music. Its bad on both ends. Its good to expose yourself to different types of music and if people prefer a certain type of music over another than fine thats their personal choice but looking at the music industry today.. it does reflect a change in how artists get deals and are presented in the media. Its not really complaining but just pointing out how the industry has change, the change in pop musical tastes and how that effects people.

Its just conversation.

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Exactly. There is good new music out there "if you search for it"....damn, I taste vomit in my mouth every time I say it because it's so fucking rediculous that you have to search for it.....so the real problem is, why do you have to search for it? That's the problem. Why is it not getting radio airplay? It used to, so why not now? It's because these monopolized labels promote the cheap shit to the public and that's all they promote (at least on the R&B side of the fence anyway).

It's fine for anybody to listen to whatever they want to. What's not fine, is for cheap shit to get the front burner because it's cheaper to make. I'm fine with anybody listening to whatever they want to but when it gets to a point that I have to "search" for what I like, then there's a fucking problem. And as for this "Well, that's the way it is these days. You can either search for it or you can bitch about it" then I'm going to bitch about it. Nothing changes when you just accept things that you see as wrong. When you keep your mouth shut, things remain the same. Oh, so they are still remaining the same even though you bitch? Well, yes, because not enough people are bitching. The shit hoppers bitched in the late 1980s when they weren't getting much airplay and now they are dominating. If they had kept their mouths shut, nothing would have changed for them. So there's nothing wrong with bitching because if enough people bitch, then something will change. Keep on bitching and encourage others to bitch also. Bitch on bitches, bitch on!

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[Edited 5/12/11 9:38am]

LOL *applause*

You really summed everything up in a nutshell.

I dont understand why people are passive with issues like this even with something as simple as a musical preference or taste... yes it is a personal choice but I dont see whats the problem in having mature music discussion on it. Its almost as if your the one with the problem if you have an objective view on something with music so instead you should conform or just shut the hell up on it because you will cause a commotion or uneasiness lol

If some people choose to just go along and listen to the music of their choice and block out the music they dont care for ... fine. People should just go out and find the music that best suits them or the music they enjoy. However, whats wrong with the other people they might want to voice their opinion on the other type of music? I think it is utterly terrible how pop culture has change to the point you pretty much dont have to have any talent to get a hit or be called a legend (when their are MUCH MORE talented artists and singers).. so excuse me for being honest and pointing that hidden truth out. A truth some people know BUT rather NOT talk about because it is the unpopular thing to do. I mean it obviously is not going to change the state of the music industry or another persons more positive view on it BUT its not stopping me from speaking how I feel on it either lol

Thats the problem.. people are just to comfortable with things which is why I think music is the way it is.. Yea its labels etc but the public has more control over the situation than what they think..

If people dont care to speak out on the music they dislike and just stick to what they enjoy then thats cool but if there are people who wish to then thats cool. Everyone has a right to speak their opinion. Alot of times people dont do that when it REALLY counts the most.

Harlepolis said:

Those pop-culture fans are not "hostile" against new music, its just some people grew into a bunch of wussy sensitive bitches who view ANYTHING thats not regarded as praise, to be "hating" by default. Short sighted too, because they could've used some of the criticism to their advantage.

And the whole nostalgia talk is a cop out plea like a motherfucker and frankly it gets on my nerve. If thats the case, would you mind explain to me why more & MORE kids are starting to go back and listen to artists from the 80s/70s? Oh they do exists, you think they don't but they're out there. Is that a coincidence? Many of them are hopping on that nostalgia train, something is missing otherwise it wouldn't happen.

But we can do the whole "there's good music out there if you search for it" song & dance for the millionth time and I STRONGLY AGREE that there is. But the difference between then & now, is that back then good music was accessible and you didn't have to search for shit. It wasn't buried in the bottom of a crate in some record store in Toronto, or something that got slipped in some mix one of your friends did for you, or somebody you read about in some blog's article, they were on the RADIO, remember when you didn't have to resort to your collection because the radio didn't suck major balls? I do, and shit, I'm only 28, so you know it wasn't that long ago.

No, I don't think the problem is the crappy music, or the fact that fossil ass folks are stubbornly set in their ways with their high standards, I think we became accustomed to embrace ANYTHING mediocre or good enough too long to the point that when somebody jumps out and demands an improvement, folks look at them as either 1) Out of touch/unhip. 2) Haters, or 3) Hard to satisfy.

One of my friends clown me on taste of music, said that if I blow on the Ipod, dust will fill up the whole room she made the argument that I'm extra extra nostalgic too. Now, who's her favorite band/Artist? Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings and Amy Winehouse I had to laugh at the irony.

Edit: Who the hell is Shirley King?

[Edited 5/11/11 8:23am]

From another 28 year old, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you posted.

SquirrelMeat said:

New music hasn't change one bit. Its as good or bad as its always been.

The change is radio. The western world, in particular the USA have allowed corporate interests to rule over creative ones and the record labels and talent shows now dictate what is a hit.

I'm 40 and I enjoy new gigs and debut albums more now than I ever did. In fact, its more fun finding the golden nuggets now than its evert been.

Occasionally, the good stuff breaks through (example is Adele) and suddenly it becomes the must have coffee table album of the year for the masses.

If you want to find plent of good new music, then you have to go looking for it, whether you like to or not.

The alternative is to harp to a bygone age and say it never used to be like this.

sosgemini said:

vainandy said:

I hear ya honey. Ain't it a shame when you start a thread about how and why folks bitch about music when they get older and somebody has to come along and disagree with it? I don't know why folks can't just agree with it and hold hands and sit around a big ole campfire singing "Kumbabya".

Actually, as I previously stated, I was hoping people would read the actual article and comment on some of the valid and invalid points the two made. Tis okay, I know subtlety is not your forte so I am going to forgive you, for once again, repeating the same diatribes like the broken record you are.

And I will also forgive you for not realizing that I have other type of posts also but just like good new music, you have to "search for them".

And no, I'm not a broken record. If anything, I'm an mp3 set on "repeat". Get with the times honey, you sound like somebody old.

Chow and Kumbaya to you too.

mjscarousal said:

vainandy said:

Exactly. There is good new music out there "if you search for it"....damn, I taste vomit in my mouth every time I say it because it's so fucking rediculous that you have to search for it.....so the real problem is, why do you have to search for it? That's the problem. Why is it not getting radio airplay? It used to, so why not now? It's because these monopolized labels promote the cheap shit to the public and that's all they promote (at least on the R&B side of the fence anyway).

It's fine for anybody to listen to whatever they want to. What's not fine, is for cheap shit to get the front burner because it's cheaper to make. I'm fine with anybody listening to whatever they want to but when it gets to a point that I have to "search" for what I like, then there's a fucking problem. And as for this "Well, that's the way it is these days. You can either search for it or you can bitch about it" then I'm going to bitch about it. Nothing changes when you just accept things that you see as wrong. When you keep your mouth shut, things remain the same. Oh, so they are still remaining the same even though you bitch? Well, yes, because not enough people are bitching. The shit hoppers bitched in the late 1980s when they weren't getting much airplay and now they are dominating. If they had kept their mouths shut, nothing would have changed for them. So there's nothing wrong with bitching because if enough people bitch, then something will change. Keep on bitching and encourage others to bitch also. Bitch on bitches, bitch on!

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[Edited 5/12/11 9:38am]

LOL *applause*

You really summed everything up in a nutshell.

I dont understand why people are passive with issues like this even with something as simple as a musical preference or taste... yes it is a personal choice but I dont see whats the problem in having mature music discussion on it. Its almost as if your the one with the problem if you have an objective view on something with music so instead you should conform or just shut the hell up on it because you will cause a commotion or uneasiness lol

If some people choose to just go along and listen to the music of their choice and block out the music they dont care for ... fine. People should just go out and find the music that best suits them or the music they enjoy. However, whats wrong with the other people they might want to voice their opinion on the other type of music? I think it is utterly terrible how pop culture has change to the point you pretty much dont have to have any talent to get a hit or be called a legend (when their are MUCH MORE talented artists and singers).. so excuse me for being honest and pointing that hidden truth out. A truth some people know BUT rather NOT talk about because it is the unpopular thing to do. I mean it obviously is not going to change the state of the music industry or another persons more positive view on it BUT its not stopping me from speaking how I feel on it either lol

Thats the problem.. people are just to comfortable with things which is why I think music is the way it is.. Yea its labels etc but the public has more control over the situation than what they think..

If people dont care to speak out on the music they dislike and just stick to what they enjoy then thats cool but if there are people who wish to then thats cool. Everyone has a right to speak their opinion. Alot of times people dont do that when it REALLY counts the most.

Kudos to both of you, I have nothing else to add.

vainandy said:

sosgemini said:

Actually, as I previously stated, I was hoping people would read the actual article and comment on some of the valid and invalid points the two made. Tis okay, I know subtlety is not your forte so I am going to forgive you, for once again, repeating the same diatribes like the broken record you are.

And I will also forgive you for not realizing that I have other type of posts also but just like good new music, you have to "search for them".

And no, I'm not a broken record. If anything, I'm an mp3 set on "repeat". Get with the times honey, you sound like somebody old.

Chow and Kumbaya to you too.

I can't decide who's Maxine and who's Kyle in this scenario either way, "it" will be inevitable

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mjscarousal said:

vainandy said:

Exactly. There is good new music out there "if you search for it"....damn, I taste vomit in my mouth every time I say it because it's so fucking rediculous that you have to search for it.....so the real problem is, why do you have to search for it? That's the problem. Why is it not getting radio airplay? It used to, so why not now? It's because these monopolized labels promote the cheap shit to the public and that's all they promote (at least on the R&B side of the fence anyway).

It's fine for anybody to listen to whatever they want to. What's not fine, is for cheap shit to get the front burner because it's cheaper to make. I'm fine with anybody listening to whatever they want to but when it gets to a point that I have to "search" for what I like, then there's a fucking problem. And as for this "Well, that's the way it is these days. You can either search for it or you can bitch about it" then I'm going to bitch about it. Nothing changes when you just accept things that you see as wrong. When you keep your mouth shut, things remain the same. Oh, so they are still remaining the same even though you bitch? Well, yes, because not enough people are bitching. The shit hoppers bitched in the late 1980s when they weren't getting much airplay and now they are dominating. If they had kept their mouths shut, nothing would have changed for them. So there's nothing wrong with bitching because if enough people bitch, then something will change. Keep on bitching and encourage others to bitch also. Bitch on bitches, bitch on!

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[Edited 5/12/11 9:38am]

LOL *applause*

You really summed everything up in a nutshell.

I dont understand why people are passive with issues like this even with something as simple as a musical preference or taste... yes it is a personal choice but I dont see whats the problem in having mature music discussion on it. Its almost as if your the one with the problem if you have an objective view on something with music so instead you should conform or just shut the hell up on it because you will cause a commotion or uneasiness lol

If some people choose to just go along and listen to the music of their choice and block out the music they dont care for ... fine. People should just go out and find the music that best suits them or the music they enjoy. However, whats wrong with the other people they might want to voice their opinion on the other type of music? I think it is utterly terrible how pop culture has change to the point you pretty much dont have to have any talent to get a hit or be called a legend (when their are MUCH MORE talented artists and singers).. so excuse me for being honest and pointing that hidden truth out. A truth some people know BUT rather NOT talk about because it is the unpopular thing to do. I mean it obviously is not going to change the state of the music industry or another persons more positive view on it BUT its not stopping me from speaking how I feel on it either lol

Thats the problem.. people are just to comfortable with things which is why I think music is the way it is.. Yea its labels etc but the public has more control over the situation than what they think..

If people dont care to speak out on the music they dislike and just stick to what they enjoy then thats cool but if there are people who wish to then thats cool. Everyone has a right to speak their opinion. Alot of times people dont do that when it REALLY counts the most.

It's because they think we are personally attacking their generation so they throw out that rediculous "every older generation has felt the same way about the new generation's music" in hopes that nobody will want to sound "old" and just shut up. However, they conveniently leave out the part that the older generation of that era hated the new rock and roll era due to racism because of it's rhythmic nature which came from blacks and they also said the devil was the one behind that rhythm. When we tell them that we hate today's music for the exact opposite reason, because the rhythm has been taken out of the music, they see we are speaking the truth and it throws their "getting old" argument right out the window which is the only weapon they have against us. That's when they just want us to shut up and go "search for some music".

But as for personally attacking their generation. That's rediculous because the decline in music started when my generation became adults and became the ones making music. The folks that were throwing down when we were teenagers were adults that were our parents' age or a little younger. The shit hoppers that came along and changed things were my age and then another generation came behind them. So it's rediculous for someone to think we are attacking their generation personally because our generation is the one that started the decline.

vainandy said:

mjscarousal said:

...yes it is a personal choice but I dont see whats the problem in having mature music discussion on it. Its almost as if your the one with the problem if you have an objective view on something with music so instead you should conform or just shut the hell up on it because you will cause a commotion or uneasiness...

...I think it is utterly terrible how pop culture has change to the point you pretty much dont have to have any talent to get a hit or be called a legend (when their are MUCH MORE talented artists and singers).. so excuse me for being honest and pointing that hidden truth out. A truth some people know BUT rather NOT talk about because it is the unpopular thing to do...

...Thats the problem.. people are just to comfortable with things which is why I think music is the way it is...

...but if there are people who wish to then thats cool. Everyone has a right to speak their opinion...

It's because they think we are personally attacking their generation so they throw out that rediculous "every older generation has felt the same way about the new generation's music" in hopes that nobody will want to sound "old" and just shut up.

mjscarousal said:

@ Mickeydolz.... Your right people ARE free to listen to what they want BUT I think its sad how artists who are exactly talented and make creative music get less exposure versus artists who dont make quality music.

What does "quality music" mean? That's an opinion. I'm pretty sure there's people who don't like what you consider "real" music and think it's bad, just like you think their music is bad. You can't force people to listen to music they don't like. No matter how much you spend promoting it, most people are not going to dig polka music or growling death metal vocalists and it's not going to get Top 40 airplay.

People who listen to stuff like zydeco, blues, polka, Irish folk songs, or whatever didn't depend on the radio to spoonfeed them music. These genres have never recieved much mainstream radio play or had hit singles. On award shows, they're never shown on the TV broadcast. But people buy these acts' music and/or go to their concerts. It's like someone who likes "art films". They know their movies aren't going to be shown in a multiplex, and so don't depend on them to see what they want.

Good music is hiding out there. Just like this song. They just don't get airplay

Its from 2009.

T Pain song for Backstreet Boys- International Luv

[Edited 5/12/11 16:29pm]

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

@ Mickeydolz.... Your right people ARE free to listen to what they want BUT I think its sad how artists who are exactly talented and make creative music get less exposure versus artists who dont make quality music.

What does "quality music" mean? That's an opinion. I'm pretty sure there's people who don't like what you consider "real" music and think it's bad, just like you think their music is bad. You can't force people to listen to music they don't like. No matter how much you spend promoting it, most people are not going to dig polka music or growling death metal vocalists and it's not going to get Top 40 airplay.

People who listen to stuff like zydeco, blues, polka, Irish folk songs, or whatever didn't depend on the radio to spoonfeed them music. These genres have never recieved much mainstream radio play or had hit singles. On award shows, they're never shown on the TV broadcast. But people buy these acts' music and/or go to their concerts. It's like someone who likes "art films". They know their movies aren't going to be shown in a multiplex, and so don't depend on them to see what they want.

For one thing let me just say I am one of those teens that exactly had to dig back to the 60's 70's and just in general find music that I liked... I think the problem for teenagers and even adults for that matter is they rely to much on the media to tell them what music to listen to. I feel if they EXPOSE themselves to different types of music an the past artists they will see that alot of the accolades that todays music get is not worthy also they have something to compare what they are constantly force fed to. I dont think it is so much people dont want to listen to different types of music or older music. I think people dont know about new upcoming artists or non mainstream artists so they just accept what is given to them.

What is quality music? That is a good question. I feel quality music is music that is not driven by propagada in the form of images and everything else that just so happens has NOTHING to do with music. Clearly the mainstream music is solely about making money and image. And you know what there is nothing wrong with that because every music has its place. HOWEVER, is it worthy of awards? Should it be called groundbreaking? Should it get more exposure than artists who exactly have creative input and better music? I dont think so. Since I have been expose to the two worlds of music I can come up to this conclusion. So when I hear people same outlandish music opinions about mainstream music because they are obviously not expose to different types of music and artists, if the opportunity presents itself I will speak my opinion on it. Its not about forcing people to like something they dont like. It is about broadening peoples music knowledge and artists. They dont have to ever listen to any of those particular genres or artists BUT AT LEAST they are not ignorant of OTHER artists besides what is being shoved in their face.. thats all Im saying.

To me, good music is one wears you can hear an artist sing soulfully (their voice not drained out b/c of the loud music) with a beautiful melody in the background- whether its old or new.

Much like the Jacksons Destiny.

Or Adele's Rolling in the Deep

Timmy84 said:

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I see we got Madonna all up in this thread,lol

vainandy said:

mjscarousal said:

LOL *applause*

You really summed everything up in a nutshell.

I dont understand why people are passive with issues like this even with something as simple as a musical preference or taste... yes it is a personal choice but I dont see whats the problem in having mature music discussion on it. Its almost as if your the one with the problem if you have an objective view on something with music so instead you should conform or just shut the hell up on it because you will cause a commotion or uneasiness lol

If some people choose to just go along and listen to the music of their choice and block out the music they dont care for ... fine. People should just go out and find the music that best suits them or the music they enjoy. However, whats wrong with the other people they might want to voice their opinion on the other type of music? I think it is utterly terrible how pop culture has change to the point you pretty much dont have to have any talent to get a hit or be called a legend (when their are MUCH MORE talented artists and singers).. so excuse me for being honest and pointing that hidden truth out. A truth some people know BUT rather NOT talk about because it is the unpopular thing to do. I mean it obviously is not going to change the state of the music industry or another persons more positive view on it BUT its not stopping me from speaking how I feel on it either lol

Thats the problem.. people are just to comfortable with things which is why I think music is the way it is.. Yea its labels etc but the public has more control over the situation than what they think..

If people dont care to speak out on the music they dislike and just stick to what they enjoy then thats cool but if there are people who wish to then thats cool. Everyone has a right to speak their opinion. Alot of times people dont do that when it REALLY counts the most.

It's because they think we are personally attacking their generation so they throw out that rediculous "every older generation has felt the same way about the new generation's music" in hopes that nobody will want to sound "old" and just shut up. However, they conveniently leave out the part that the older generation of that era hated the new rock and roll era due to racism because of it's rhythmic nature which came from blacks and they also said the devil was the one behind that rhythm. When we tell them that we hate today's music for the exact opposite reason, because the rhythm has been taken out of the music, they see we are speaking the truth and it throws their "getting old" argument right out the window which is the only weapon they have against us. That's when they just want us to shut up and go "search for some music".

But as for personally attacking their generation. That's rediculous because the decline in music started when my generation became adults and became the ones making music. The folks that were throwing down when we were teenagers were adults that were our parents' age or a little younger. The shit hoppers that came along and changed things were my age and then another generation came behind them. So it's rediculous for someone to think we are attacking their generation personally because our generation is the one that started the decline.

Right... but surprisely alot of new generation teens, we feel the SAME way as the older generation does about todays music. We have objective views but for some they are to afraid to speak on it or listen to what they really like because once again it is viewed as the wrong thing to do so they just conform. I mean seriously who can blame them? If your 16/17 listening to Rolling Stones/ Marvin Gaye and most teenagers are listening to Green Day and Chris Brown some might not feel comfortable with revealing that or even might feel ashamed to because it isnt cool. There isnt to many people like me who are like" fuck it .. this is the real deal and you know what? I could care less what you think Ima rock all day with Marvin and you can have fun listening to your crappy mass produced generic music LOL

I just feel its good for people to be well rounded with different music and not be afraid to say "Oh I listen to such and such" or " I know their popular however I dont think their ALL that great because" like I said before it is just pure mature conversation back and forth expressing views on music but what I have personally experienced and observed most people can not have mature discussion on music or handle objectivity.

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Burn your radios.

Timmy84 said:

Burn your radios.

Well its really just a different time, before MUSIC was out there and available to everyone, it didnt really matter what kind of computer you had or website or account you signed up for, or what emails you got etc...Now it does. Now music lovers are shut out, no offense to the people who say "you have to look for new music", thats BS, i dont have that kind of time on my hands where im going to go here and there and download this and that, and hope for the best. Its just a new age, and some people dont care for it, i still get plenty of new music from older artists and also what i want from new artists that im into, right now digging a band called the "National" and also "Sondre Lerche" a great singer songwriter about to release his 6th album, and no one has really heard of him, but he's brilliant, but i found them by accident, one was on Letterman and one was opening for a-ha, so, the old ways still do work.

Fresh 2011 music. Its all out there. Heres a few from the little ole UK, which I think is the current hot pot. Writers and performers alive and well.

Here is may favourite young gal this year. Check out these three songs. She is a major talent. I've seen her live four times this year. A real star of the future.

James Blake is thumping in the car this week....

And Jessie has just broke here....

And New Zealand are kicking out good stuff too!

MyNameIsPiper said:

Curtwill1975 said:

It's simple. The older generation wants to feel that the music of their generation is superior over the younger's. They long for music that is sonically like their childhood and topics that they relate to. Anything apart from that is anathema. It's that simple. Watch people talk about how today's music and how 60-80s was the end of great music.

It is.

I agree, for the most part, but 20s-40s slay the 60s-80s if we talking about overall musicianship, but no one is clamouring to come back to that era in music so it strengthens my point. The older generation will never give the younger generation props for the most part unless it sounds close to the music of their generation.

Thanks Squirrel for those songs...

mjscarousal said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

It is.

Thanks.. It is

I hate how people talk about this like it is a cliche or like it is an opinion only people of those generations think or younger folks who feel this way its a trend when that is not true at all. Regardless of the subject matter, the music during the 60s 70's and some 80's was simply the greatest time for music. It was the most groundbreaking and produced alot of great classics. Believe it or not alot of the subject matter really has not changed that much. Love, sex,drugs, betrayel, fun, life issues, drama,war, politics, confidence etc etc have all been discussed and sanged about. The difference between their music and the music of today goes beyond those themes. It is a reflection of the changed music industry. The music industry is not how it was back during those eras. Today, the industry is mostly centered around image and popularity.

It is more so centered around presenting a appealing package more so than talent. Thats why if you dont go to number one quick or after the second hit not that appealing anymore the label will drop you. I just think it is really sad what popular music has came to. Its really joke and just about money. Artistic merit is not important anymore. I am glad that there are more people searching for better music instead of relying on mainstream.

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Hell no. You're wrong. Give me the 20s-40s, and the 50s for the matter, everyday of the week before the music of the 60s-80s. They were singing about that in the 1920-40s-50s too. Nothing new under the sun, my friend. Not to mention, in terms of overall committment to musicianship, 60s-80s have nothing, and I mean, nothing over the 20-40s.

But the only difference is the baby boomers are the older generation and the music of that time speaks "their language" and therefore relates to their music. That's it. That period had good, every period or generation does, but it's far from the greatest.

Maybe it's just me that is noticing this but it seems like the ones who are saying 60s-80s music were the best come from parents who emerged during the baby boomer era, who actually experienced the '60s and '70s, the kids came around the '70s and '80s and immersed themselves in that music as well as music of their childhood then have kids who listen to it and grow up with it and get so used to it that anything going past 1989 (or in some cases 1985) is a disappointment. I was lucky to have a father who was born pre-Baby Boomer's and a mother born in the middle of it, I got to see that music from the '30s, '40s and '50s was just as good (or better in some degree) than music after those periods and there's some great music after the '80s even into 2011.

It all depends on how used to a significant era one is and if one is attracted to music from one single period, they're not gonna totally embrace music from a different era even if it's criticized as it being "noise".

The responses speek for themselves.

Most of you sound like my stephdad when I came home with P lp's: old and grumpy.

Enclosed for change and inventions, dwelling on the memories of own youth.

There's great electronic music, all I hear is negative talk about dance.

I've posted some artists here, never had a reaction. It's only mainstream commercial US stars around here. I love it, because I learn a lot about music history on this forum. However, when I want to listen to new stuf, the grumpy oldies here are not the most innovative.

dJJ said:

The responses speek for themselves.

Most of you sound like my stephdad when I came home with P lp's: old and grumpy.

Enclosed for change and inventions, dwelling on the memories of own youth.

There's great electronic music, all I hear is negative talk about dance.

I've posted some artists here, never had a reaction. It's only mainstream commercial US stars around here. I love it, because I learn a lot about music history on this forum. However, when I want to listen to new stuf, the grumpy oldies here are not the most innovative.

Post them and I might reply lol

Timmy84 said:

Maybe it's just me that is noticing this but it seems like the ones who are saying 60s-80s music were the best come from parents who emerged during the baby boomer era, who actually experienced the '60s and '70s, the kids came around the '70s and '80s and immersed themselves in that music as well as music of their childhood then have kids who listen to it and grow up with it and get so used to it that anything going past 1989 (or in some cases 1985) is a disappointment. I was lucky to have a father who was born pre-Baby Boomer's and a mother born in the middle of it, I got to see that music from the '30s, '40s and '50s was just as good (or better in some degree) than music after those periods and there's some great music after the '80s even into 2011.

It all depends on how used to a significant era one is and if one is attracted to music from one single period, they're not gonna totally embrace music from a different era even if it's criticized as it being "noise".

I think its even more than that, NOW i feel you are bombarded not by music as the selling pitch, its your image and what you do more than ever, not that images werent part of the 80's but lets be real, now thats your selling pitch first and foremost. Also i have always thanked the fact that my mom listened to everything from Johnny Mathis (who is so underrated) to Sinatra and Striesand and then my Older Brother was a mix of some unique things like the Clash and John Prine, then my oldest brother was the one that bought it all, i mean you name it, the disco era, i remember seeing these albums by Linda Clifford and Tuxedo Junction and Donna SUmmer, Santa Esmeralda, but then there was Paul Simon the Beatles, solo stuff, Queen, Harry Chapin, James Taylor, Earth WInd, Stevie the Commodores etc... So i had that well when i was really really young and wasnt "buying" or building my own tastes, but i thank god that it was there for me to pick through to discover, and from that my era of 80's that shit was all about great records,and great bands you name it, sure there was some crap, i bought the Scott Baio album i think, I bought that lame TV show soundtrack called "Dreams" with Jami Gertz and John Stamos, but that era it was all at your fingertips, just walk into the thousands of stores and look and touch it, now it all depends on the website, your computer speed, your bit rate...etc....there is no comparison

Are there great new artists shit yeah, but all im saying is that WAY of having to get the music is fucking plain ass backwards, who ever came up with this new WAY, should be thrown off a cliff

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SquirrelMeat said:

Fresh 2011 music. Its all out there. Heres a few from the little ole UK, which I think is the current hot pot. Writers and performers alive and well.

Here is may favourite young gal this year. Check out these three songs. She is a major talent. I've seen her live four times this year. A real star of the future.

James Blake is thumping in the car this week....

And Jessie has just broke here....

And New Zealand are kicking out good stuff too!

What’s the big deal about James Blake I see his name pop up a lot and Jesse J I tried …and I made a post on here about an artist name the weeknd but nobody responded. There are actually good new artists posted but guess what nobody comes into the post and stays in the Britney/Gaga’s post as far as artists of this generation go..

And this topic gets posted twice a week isn’t prince.org tired of this.

I'm about to see about The Weeknd....

Timmy84 said:

I'm about to see about The Weeknd....

Thanks but I’m not sure if you will like him.

Curtwill1975 said:

mjscarousal said:

Thanks.. It is

I hate how people talk about this like it is a cliche or like it is an opinion only people of those generations think or younger folks who feel this way its a trend when that is not true at all. Regardless of the subject matter, the music during the 60s 70's and some 80's was simply the greatest time for music. It was the most groundbreaking and produced alot of great classics. Believe it or not alot of the subject matter really has not changed that much. Love, sex,drugs, betrayel, fun, life issues, drama,war, politics, confidence etc etc have all been discussed and sanged about. The difference between their music and the music of today goes beyond those themes. It is a reflection of the changed music industry. The music industry is not how it was back during those eras. Today, the industry is mostly centered around image and popularity.

It is more so centered around presenting a appealing package more so than talent. Thats why if you dont go to number one quick or after the second hit not that appealing anymore the label will drop you. I just think it is really sad what popular music has came to. Its really joke and just about money. Artistic merit is not important anymore. I am glad that there are more people searching for better music instead of relying on mainstream.

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Hell no. You're wrong. Give me the 20s-40s, and the 50s for the matter, everyday of the week before the music of the 60s-80s. They were singing about that in the 1920-40s-50s too. Nothing new under the sun, my friend. Not to mention, in terms of overall committment to musicianship, 60s-80s have nothing, and I mean, nothing over the 20-40s.

But the only difference is the baby boomers are the older generation and the music of that time speaks "their language" and therefore relates to their music. That's it. That period had good, every period or generation does, but it's far from the greatest.

I think it was. Maybe not the 80's which I obviously didnt put much emphasis on anyway but definitly the 60's and 70s.

IVE ALSO listened to music from the ,20, 30, 40's 50's etc. I think the 60's and 70's were a much better time for popular music but like you said there is good music in every generation but speaking on this generation the good music is not playing on the radio. Thats pretty much the overall point.

Whether the 60's 70's is the best eras of music in most peoples eyes is true or not.. it produced MUCH BETTER MAINSTREAM music then the crap they have today.