The times have indeed changed; the internet is now the equivalent to the "golden days" of radio. What's perhaps daunting is the fact that now the listener must take a more active role in what he or she chooses to fill their ears with. Comparatively, relying on the radio for your listening pleasure was/is a passive state; if you didn't like what you heard, then a simple touch of a button or twist of the dial was all the participation necessary. Nowadays, where everything is at the click of another type of button, you play DJ. And could that type of power be a bit daunting for the older listener that's used to a particular musical dialogue, where limitations are set?

Timmy84 said:

You know how I'm starting to feel about some of y'all, some of y'all are having a hard time understanding this:

RADIO

IS

A

MONOPOLY!

Always has, always will. They always played the same shit. Yeah you had stations that rebelled because back then no corporates controlled it as hard as they do now but there was still people using payola.

The advance we got now is we can control how we listen to music. The radio will never go back to where it was so stop wishing for some miracle.

I'm so glad people like bboy and Harlepolis and Shango and MrSoulPower and the like bring in new music or "old" music I've never heard of.

Music is supposed to be something that we can communicate with positively but I just feel an almost 100% negative vibe when "today's music" is being discussed.

That's why I hardly go to threads where idiots like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian have new music. Why? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT MUSIC. There's still people who can deliver in this day and age. But personal opinions you have, they suck so I'm just gonna listen to the older guys, hey if that's your preference, that's cool because I'm an old school fanatic myself.

I agree.

This bit of the article really stuck out, for me at least..

I’m with you on exploring music of the past. On balance, I probably listen to more “old” music than new, just because there’s so much more music that fits under the “old” banner. But I don’t really think of that music as “old.” To me, anything I’ve just discovered is “new,” like Eddie Harris’ 1968 album High Voltage, which I just picked up last week after researching the jazz saxophonist for our Beastie Boys Inventory. But I firmly reject the notion that “maybe music really isn’t as good as it used to be.” To me, that’s like saying “food isn’t as good as it used to be.” Maybe it’s just your diet that needs work.

People like us split music into genres and eras, but in reality, music is a continuum, formed by a long chain of artists and songs that—if you choose to follow it—will take you deep into the past or carry you into the future. Listening to “old” and “new” music side by side, in the present tense, re-affirms this view. For me, when an artist echoes another artist from 20 years ago, I’m hearing traditions being revived and re-shaped, sometimes dramatically, other times more subtly. But it’s all part of a journey through music that’s incredibly rewarding if you don’t allow tastes you established in the 10th grade to hem you in.

Tortilla said:

Timmy84 said:

You know how I'm starting to feel about some of y'all, some of y'all are having a hard time understanding this:

RADIO

IS

A

MONOPOLY!

Always has, always will. They always played the same shit. Yeah you had stations that rebelled because back then no corporates controlled it as hard as they do now but there was still people using payola.

The advance we got now is we can control how we listen to music. The radio will never go back to where it was so stop wishing for some miracle.

I'm so glad people like bboy and Harlepolis and Shango and MrSoulPower and the like bring in new music or "old" music I've never heard of.

Music is supposed to be something that we can communicate with positively but I just feel an almost 100% negative vibe when "today's music" is being discussed.

That's why I hardly go to threads where idiots like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian have new music. Why? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT MUSIC. There's still people who can deliver in this day and age. But personal opinions you have, they suck so I'm just gonna listen to the older guys, hey if that's your preference, that's cool because I'm an old school fanatic myself.

I agree.

This bit of the article really stuck out, for me at least..

I’m with you on exploring music of the past. On balance, I probably listen to more “old” music than new, just because there’s so much more music that fits under the “old” banner. But I don’t really think of that music as “old.” To me, anything I’ve just discovered is “new,” like Eddie Harris’ 1968 album High Voltage, which I just picked up last week after researching the jazz saxophonist for our Beastie Boys Inventory. But I firmly reject the notion that “maybe music really isn’t as good as it used to be.” To me, that’s like saying “food isn’t as good as it used to be.” Maybe it’s just your diet that needs work.

People like us split music into genres and eras, but in reality, music is a continuum, formed by a long chain of artists and songs that—if you choose to follow it—will take you deep into the past or carry you into the future. Listening to “old” and “new” music side by side, in the present tense, re-affirms this view. For me, when an artist echoes another artist from 20 years ago, I’m hearing traditions being revived and re-shaped, sometimes dramatically, other times more subtly. But it’s all part of a journey through music that’s incredibly rewarding if you don’t allow tastes you established in the 10th grade to hem you in.

Yeah we're too stuck in the past. I know the '90s ain't coming back. And I know there won't be no time machines so I try to diverse in what I can find that sounds enjoyable.

I don't know why people keep saying "look on the internet" for music. Many people don't own (or even know how to use) a computer. There's still people who buy music at the store, especially with non-Top 40 genres. Some people who do have the internet, don't shop online because they don't trust it or they don't have a credit card. They're not being catered to.

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know why people keep saying "look on the internet" for music. Many people don't own (or even know how to use) a computer. There's still people who buy music at the store, especially with non-Top 40 genres. Some people who do have the internet, don't shop online because they don't trust it or they don't have a credit card. They're not being catered to.

Well of course. But I'm talking about those THAT HAVE IT. I'm sure people who don't are not complaining though.

Harlepolis said:

Those pop-culture fans are not "hostile" against new music, its just some people grew into a bunch of wussy sensitive bitches who view ANYTHING thats not regarded as praise, to be "hating" by default. Short sighted too, because they could've used some of the criticism to their advantage.

And the whole nostalgia talk is a cop out plea like a motherfucker and frankly it gets on my nerve. If thats the case, would you mind explain to me why more & MORE kids are starting to go back and listen to artists from the 80s/70s? Oh they do exists, you think they don't but they're out there. Is that a coincidence? Many of them are hopping on that nostalgia train, something is missing otherwise it wouldn't happen.

But we can do the whole "there's good music out there if you search for it" song & dance for the millionth time and I STRONGLY AGREE that there is. But the difference between then & now, is that back then good music was accessible and you didn't have to search for shit. It wasn't buried in the bottom of a crate in some record store in Toronto, or something that got slipped in some mix one of your friends did for you, or somebody you read about in some blog's article, they were on the RADIO, remember when you didn't have to resort to your collection because the radio didn't suck major balls? I do, and shit, I'm only 28, so you know it wasn't that long ago.

No, I don't think the problem is the crappy music, or the fact that fossil ass folks are stubbornly set in their ways with their high standards, I think we became accustomed to embrace ANYTHING mediocre or good enough too long to the point that when somebody jumps out and demands an improvement, folks look at them as either 1) Out of touch/unhip. 2) Haters, or 3) Hard to satisfy.

One of my friends clown me on taste of music, said that if I blow on the Ipod, dust will fill up the whole room she made the argument that I'm extra extra nostalgic too. Now, who's her favorite band/Artist? Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings and Amy Winehouse I had to laugh at the irony.

Edit: Who the hell is Shirley King?

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Perfectly said in every respect. Especially jumping on the fact that people use the same old fall back lines like "good music is out there, you have to search" well NO i dont, you see im not complaining about new artists, if something creeps up im there, but im not going to break my back looking for it, plenty of the artists i grew up on still record AND STILL MAKE GREAT records so im set, i have no problems filling up an iPod with new shit.

The whole finding music thing is so true, i mean it was all their for you too find, u didnt have to sign up for some special club and get a code just so u could dig through shit and sample crap. And YES there was bad in every era, shit, but i find that this generation at least since the later 90's feels they are entitled to hear everything first before they buy it, that is where i differ, i think this was a huge demise of music, music is a purchase plain and simple, you want it, take the chance, you dont want the chance go find something else. I mean do you get to go in and watch half the movie before you pay? Can you read the book before buying it? Can you go to the market and taste all the food before buying, i mean come on now, try applying the MUSIC theory that people have to other forms of purchasing and see how quick things would change.

And the whole HATING thing in my opinion comes from the fact that Everyone has their own PR people to totally HYPE themselves to a level where you have to just call them on it, sorry, but if you are gonna say you are the "new Prince" or "new MJ" why cant you take the shots when you arent even close to them? I feel its all justified, if your gonna HYPE then take it.

And i cant stand the whole "New" statement, especially when it comes from people that are so into "retro" like artists? I mean Adela, Alicia Keys, Joss Stone, John Legend are all talented artists, but come on now.

It's simple. The older generation wants to feel that the music of their generation is superior over the younger's. They long for music that is sonically like their childhood and topics that they relate to. Anything apart from that is anathema. It's that simple. Watch people talk about how today's music and how 60-80s was the end of great music.

Tortilla said:

Timmy84 said:

You know how I'm starting to feel about some of y'all, some of y'all are having a hard time understanding this:

RADIO

IS

A

MONOPOLY!

Always has, always will. They always played the same shit. Yeah you had stations that rebelled because back then no corporates controlled it as hard as they do now but there was still people using payola.

The advance we got now is we can control how we listen to music. The radio will never go back to where it was so stop wishing for some miracle.

I'm so glad people like bboy and Harlepolis and Shango and MrSoulPower and the like bring in new music or "old" music I've never heard of.

Music is supposed to be something that we can communicate with positively but I just feel an almost 100% negative vibe when "today's music" is being discussed.

That's why I hardly go to threads where idiots like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian have new music. Why? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT MUSIC. There's still people who can deliver in this day and age. But personal opinions you have, they suck so I'm just gonna listen to the older guys, hey if that's your preference, that's cool because I'm an old school fanatic myself.

I agree.

This bit of the article really stuck out, for me at least..

I’m with you on exploring music of the past. On balance, I probably listen to more “old” music than new, just because there’s so much more music that fits under the “old” banner. But I don’t really think of that music as “old.” To me, anything I’ve just discovered is “new,” like Eddie Harris’ 1968 album High Voltage, which I just picked up last week after researching the jazz saxophonist for our Beastie Boys Inventory. But I firmly reject the notion that “maybe music really isn’t as good as it used to be.” To me, that’s like saying “food isn’t as good as it used to be.” Maybe it’s just your diet that needs work.

People like us split music into genres and eras, but in reality, music is a continuum, formed by a long chain of artists and songs that—if you choose to follow it—will take you deep into the past or carry you into the future. Listening to “old” and “new” music side by side, in the present tense, re-affirms this view. For me, when an artist echoes another artist from 20 years ago, I’m hearing traditions being revived and re-shaped, sometimes dramatically, other times more subtly. But it’s all part of a journey through music that’s incredibly rewarding if you don’t allow tastes you established in the 10th grade to hem you in.

WTF happened to my comments? Errr....

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Curtwill1975 said:

It's simple. The older generation wants to feel that the music of their generation is superior over the younger's. They long for music that is sonically like their childhood and topics that they relate to. Anything apart from that is anathema. It's that simple. Watch people talk about how today's music and how 60-80s was the end of great music.

No disagree with that mainly because its a blanket statement on what people are listening too. There is a difference to still listening to say George Michael "Faith" or "thriller" or "Purple Rain" just as much now as you did then and then shutting the door on anything these artists do today because that is the bar "you" want them to hit again and still, that to me is "old" the tired review of "this isnt like what Sign Of the Times" was for Prince, well no kidding, probably because this isnt 1987 its 2011.

Now that is one type of person that you have, but not everyone older "rolls like that", i dont ever listen to Purple Rain nor do i want to thing that way anymore, im not a child in 1984 im an adult in 2011, and if someone new cuts a shit record its SHIT regardless, just like if Prince or Janet Jackson cuts a new record and its shit, same difference

Bieber or the Hot100 vs Bowie, Prince, Jackson or Wonder in any time-frame is a no-fucking brainer.

90s music ain't comin back. We are in 2011 now.

I will always appreciate the older stuff more, but obviously you just have the accept that this way it just is- like it or not.

I'm sure there are good songs out there, but they just don't get the radio play they deserve.

Being on Mainstream radio does not equal being necessarily great. Its a big business really.

I'm happy to see that artists like Adele are getting their due.

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Timmy84 said:

Tortilla said:

I agree.

This bit of the article really stuck out, for me at least..

I’m with you on exploring music of the past. On balance, I probably listen to more “old” music than new, just because there’s so much more music that fits under the “old” banner. But I don’t really think of that music as “old.” To me, anything I’ve just discovered is “new,” like Eddie Harris’ 1968 album High Voltage, which I just picked up last week after researching the jazz saxophonist for our Beastie Boys Inventory. But I firmly reject the notion that “maybe music really isn’t as good as it used to be.” To me, that’s like saying “food isn’t as good as it used to be.” Maybe it’s just your diet that needs work.

People like us split music into genres and eras, but in reality, music is a continuum, formed by a long chain of artists and songs that—if you choose to follow it—will take you deep into the past or carry you into the future. Listening to “old” and “new” music side by side, in the present tense, re-affirms this view. For me, when an artist echoes another artist from 20 years ago, I’m hearing traditions being revived and re-shaped, sometimes dramatically, other times more subtly. But it’s all part of a journey through music that’s incredibly rewarding if you don’t allow tastes you established in the 10th grade to hem you in.

Yeah we're too stuck in the past. I know the '90s ain't coming back. And I know there won't be no time machines so I try to diverse in what I can find that sounds enjoyable.

That's why I go to a lot of blogs that have a lot of obscure old stuff that was never played on the radio back then (at least it wasn't played in my area). I've downloaded a whole lot of stuff that I had never heard before that was great but I think I've just about gone through all of it that was good and I end up finding a lot of it that was just kinda "so-so". There's a reason that a lot of music from back in the day was not played on the radio and that's because a lot of the stuff that wasn't played on the radio back then just didn't stand out enough on it's own to be played on the radio. That's the difference between then and now. The radio played most of the stuff that deserved to be played and the rest of it was left for the underground. But today, it's the opposite. The stuff that the radio should be playing is underground and the bland stuff is what's all over the radio.

As for searching the internet for good new music though, I rarely do that and there's a reason I don't. When I do find something new that sounds great, it depresses me because I know that only I and very few other people, if any, are listening to it. I also know that if that group were to hold a concert, there would probably be around three or four people that would show up to see it. When I do find new music that sounds good, it makes me feel like I'm alone on a deserted island or something and it's a lonely feeling that's depressing. Now, when Prince releases something new that's great, that's a different story because he's got so many millions of fans already that I know I'm not the only person on the planet that is listening to it. But if I find something by some new artists that sound great, like I said before, I feel like I'm the only person listening to it on the planet. Have you ever been to a nightclub on a night when only three or four people were in the entire place and even though the music was sounding great, you still had a horrible time because all you could think about is "where is everybody"? It makes you feel like you are in a deserted place and you end up going home early. It's a depressing feeling and that's why I don't search for anything new that's great and will not do so unless great music becomes mainstream again.

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know why people keep saying "look on the internet" for music. Many people don't own (or even know how to use) a computer. There's still people who buy music at the store, especially with non-Top 40 genres. Some people who do have the internet, don't shop online because they don't trust it or they don't have a credit card. They're not being catered to.

Exactly! I have been saying this for years! People have become so damn spoiled these days that their stuck up asses forget that not everyone has a computer or internet.

I know lots of people who don't even have a computer, let alone internet, because they can't afford one. Even though I have a computer and internet these days, that still applies to me also. A computer is still a major purpose these days and the only reason I was able to buy one was with my income tax refund. But there are lots of other people who need to buy more important things with their tax refund than a computer. And the only reason I have internet right now is because I got a one year trial with AT&T where I can get high speed internet for only $20 a month. When that trial period ends, it goes up to $40 a month which pretty steep for me to afford. I could get a cheaper internet deal but it would be a lower speed which means youtube videos are damn near unwatchable and downloading one song would take damn near three hours. I've been that route for years and don't want to go back to that so I may cut back on something else when the time comes and still continue with the high speed internet. But damn, I sure could be using that $40 a month for something else but I don't want to be looking at the walls out of boredom either because I'm the type of person that hates to be bored.

I don't have cable anymore and don't miss it either because there was absolutely nothing on it. I don't have a cell phone, have never had one, and probably never will have one unless they stop making home phones. I've never seen a reason to have one because they cost more than a home phone and there are also times that I don't want somebody to be able to reach me. You can't lie and say "I wasn't home" if you have a phone that you can take with you everywhere you go. See, it's all about making choices about which luxuries you can afford or not and which ones benefit your interests more than others because not every person is a little spoiled brat that can afford all these new little gadgets that come out. Adults have rent, gas, food, clothing, and light bills and you're landlord don't give a damn if you come to her with some bullshit about "I don't have my rent right now because I had to pay my internet bill". She will put your ass on the street and that money you spent on that internet bill will be floating around somewhere in La La Land.

People forget that not everyone has all these extra little gadgets to "search for music" with. I've been saying that for years.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know why people keep saying "look on the internet" for music. Many people don't own (or even know how to use) a computer. There's still people who buy music at the store, especially with non-Top 40 genres. Some people who do have the internet, don't shop online because they don't trust it or they don't have a credit card. They're not being catered to.

Well of course. But I'm talking about those THAT HAVE IT. I'm sure people who don't are not complaining though.

The hell they aren't. You just don't hear them because they don't have an internet service to type in their complaint.

Not only do I know people that don't own a computer because they can't afford one. But I also know people who have saved their money to buy a computer but can't afford a monthly internet service. I, myself have been there and may possibly be again in the future. That's why music should always be available in some type of physical form where you can walk into a store and buy it. Either that or make internet service free.

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JoeTyler said:

vainandy said:

Exactly. And I'm not about to go "searching" for no damn good music because I shouldn't have to. Start playing good music on the radio again and people wouldn't have to search for it.

forget about the goddamn radio, man. It's a fossil. Focus on the Internet if you wanna find the good new stuff...

MEMO: Rebeeca Black is NOT good new stuff!

Curtwill1975 said:

It's simple. The older generation wants to feel that the music of their generation is superior over the younger's. They long for music that is sonically like their childhood and topics that they relate to. Anything apart from that is anathema. It's that simple. Watch people talk about how today's music and how 60-80s was the end of great music.

It is.

JoeTyler said:

There has always been shit, now and then

the problem is: at least since 2004, the new good music is not that good, but the new bad music IS THAT bad...perhaps worse than ever...

my 2 cent...

To my ears, The problem started AFTER 1993, never mind 2004.

When I was in high school and junior high, I routinely sought out older music from my parents and grandparents generation. There are always going to be young people who like older music. Besides, I think part of the issue with today's music is the production ends up making every so-called song sound alike. Autotune and these drum machines, along with these other techniques that make everyone sound like they're singing through a tin can have been quite commonplace over the past 10 years and I'm annoyed as hell with it. There's also this expectation for there to be fast hits and there's virtually no artists development....there are exceptions but I think that it's sad to see people like Drake, Katy Perry and Rihanna get so much hype when they could probably never sing the national anthem with real instruments in the background and still "wow" everyone with their "talent".

MyNameIsPiper said:

Curtwill1975 said:

It's simple. The older generation wants to feel that the music of their generation is superior over the younger's. They long for music that is sonically like their childhood and topics that they relate to. Anything apart from that is anathema. It's that simple. Watch people talk about how today's music and how 60-80s was the end of great music.

It is.

Thanks.. It is

I hate how people talk about this like it is a cliche or like it is an opinion only people of those generations think or younger folks who feel this way its a trend when that is not true at all. Regardless of the subject matter, the music during the 60s 70's and some 80's was simply the greatest time for music. It was the most groundbreaking and produced alot of great classics. Believe it or not alot of the subject matter really has not changed that much. Love, sex,drugs, betrayel, fun, life issues, drama,war, politics, confidence etc etc have all been discussed and sanged about. The difference between their music and the music of today goes beyond those themes. It is a reflection of the changed music industry. The music industry is not how it was back during those eras. Today, the industry is mostly centered around image and popularity.

It is more so centered around presenting a appealing package more so than talent. Thats why if you dont go to number one quick or after the second hit not that appealing anymore the label will drop you. I just think it is really sad what popular music has came to. Its really joke and just about money. Artistic merit is not important anymore. I am glad that there are more people searching for better music instead of relying on mainstream.

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I never understood why people have a fit about what other people are listening to. I've never really listened to the same music of the people around me at school or whatever, and I didn't care about what they were listening to. Griping about music you don't like or think is bad is being a music snob/bigot. What's wrong with someone liking ringtone tunes, autotune, teen pop, death metal, etc.? If it makes the listener happy, then more power to them. Why waste time and energy complaining, just listen to what you enjoy, and let other people listen to what they enjoy. The popular music you're complaining about, in some cases is financing the less popular performer's music. Without the bigger selling acts, the major record companies couldn't afford to put out genres that aren't mainstream and don't sell much or only sell to a small group of people.

New music hasn't change one bit. Its as good or bad as its always been.

The change is radio. The western world, in particular the USA have allowed corporate interests to rule over creative ones and the record labels and talent shows now dictate what is a hit.

I'm 40 and I enjoy new gigs and debut albums more now than I ever did. In fact, its more fun finding the golden nuggets now than its evert been.

Occasionally, the good stuff breaks through (example is Adele) and suddenly it becomes the must have coffee table album of the year for the masses.

If you want to find plent of good new music, then you have to go looking for it, whether you like to or not.

The alternative is to harp to a bygone age and say it never used to be like this.

@ Mickeydolz.... Your right people ARE free to listen to what they want BUT I think its sad how artists who are exactly talented and make creative music get less exposure versus artists who dont make quality music. Its bad on both ends. Its good to expose yourself to different types of music and if people prefer a certain type of music over another than fine thats their personal choice but looking at the music industry today.. it does reflect a change in how artists get deals and are presented in the media. Its not really complaining but just pointing out how the industry has change, the change in pop musical tastes and how that effects people.

Its just conversation.

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SquirrelMeat said:

New music hasn't change one bit. Its as good or bad as its always been.

The change is radio. The western world, in particular the USA have allowed corporate interests to rule over creative ones and the record labels and talent shows now dictate what is a hit.

I'm 40 and I enjoy new gigs and debut albums more now than I ever did. In fact, its more fun finding the golden nuggets now than its evert been.

Occasionally, the good stuff breaks through (example is Adele) and suddenly it becomes the must have coffee table album of the year for the masses.

If you want to find plent of good new music, then you have to go looking for it, whether you like to or not.

The alternative is to harp to a bygone age and say it never used to be like this.

And most folks are certainly doing THAT!

mjscarousal said:

@ Mickeydolz.... Your right people ARE free to listen to what they want BUT I think its sad how artists who are exactly talented and make creative music get less exposure versus artists who dont make quality music. Its bad on both ends. Its good to expose yourself to different types of music and if people prefer a certain type of music over another than fine thats their personal choice but looking at the music industry today.. it does reflect a change in how artists get deals and are presented in the media. Its not really complaining but just pointing out how the industry has change, the change in pop musical tastes and how that effects people.

Its just conversation.

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Exactly. There is good new music out there "if you search for it"....damn, I taste vomit in my mouth every time I say it because it's so fucking rediculous that you have to search for it.....so the real problem is, why do you have to search for it? That's the problem. Why is it not getting radio airplay? It used to, so why not now? It's because these monopolized labels promote the cheap shit to the public and that's all they promote (at least on the R&B side of the fence anyway).

It's fine for anybody to listen to whatever they want to. What's not fine, is for cheap shit to get the front burner because it's cheaper to make. I'm fine with anybody listening to whatever they want to but when it gets to a point that I have to "search" for what I like, then there's a fucking problem. And as for this "Well, that's the way it is these days. You can either search for it or you can bitch about it" then I'm going to bitch about it. Nothing changes when you just accept things that you see as wrong. When you keep your mouth shut, things remain the same. Oh, so they are still remaining the same even though you bitch? Well, yes, because not enough people are bitching. The shit hoppers bitched in the late 1980s when they weren't getting much airplay and now they are dominating. If they had kept their mouths shut, nothing would have changed for them. So there's nothing wrong with bitching because if enough people bitch, then something will change. Keep on bitching and encourage others to bitch also. Bitch on bitches, bitch on!

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MickyDolenz said:

I never understood why people have a fit about what other people are listening to. I've never really listened to the same music of the people around me at school or whatever, and I didn't care about what they were listening to. Griping about music you don't like or think is bad is being a music snob/bigot. What's wrong with someone liking ringtone tunes, autotune, teen pop, death metal, etc.? If it makes the listener happy, then more power to them. Why waste time and energy complaining, just listen to what you enjoy, and let other people listen to what they enjoy. The popular music you're complaining about, in some cases is financing the less popular performer's music. Without the bigger selling acts, the major record companies couldn't afford to put out genres that aren't mainstream and don't sell much or only sell to a small group of people.

I don't get this either but then it's obvious some people post stuff more for attention then anything else.

sosgemini said:

MickyDolenz said:

I never understood why people have a fit about what other people are listening to. I've never really listened to the same music of the people around me at school or whatever, and I didn't care about what they were listening to. Griping about music you don't like or think is bad is being a music snob/bigot. What's wrong with someone liking ringtone tunes, autotune, teen pop, death metal, etc.? If it makes the listener happy, then more power to them. Why waste time and energy complaining, just listen to what you enjoy, and let other people listen to what they enjoy. The popular music you're complaining about, in some cases is financing the less popular performer's music. Without the bigger selling acts, the major record companies couldn't afford to put out genres that aren't mainstream and don't sell much or only sell to a small group of people.

I don't get this either but then it's obvious some people post stuff more for attention then anything else.

UH OH... time for me to leave this thread for good. Some shit's about to pop off.

I agree with you btw lol

SeventeenDayze said:

When I was in high school and junior high, I routinely sought out older music from my parents and grandparents generation. There are always going to be young people who like older music. Besides, I think part of the issue with today's music is the production ends up making every so-called song sound alike. Autotune and these drum machines, along with these other techniques that make everyone sound like they're singing through a tin can have been quite commonplace over the past 10 years and I'm annoyed as hell with it. There's also this expectation for there to be fast hits and there's virtually no artists development....there are exceptions but I think that it's sad to see people like Drake, Katy Perry and Rihanna get so much hype when they could probably never sing the national anthem with real instruments in the background and still "wow" everyone with their "talent".

I was an odd kid... I was a black kid born in '77, growing up in Brooklyn in the 80's and all I was into was The Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin and The Who. I wasn't a fan of any of the current mainstream artists. Stevie, MJ and Prince were already icons and I heard their music ALL the time like breathing air, but I can't say that I was interested. In the 90's, I started getting into 70's bands like Kansas, shred guitar and 80's Pop music from artists who were no longer really popular thanks to VH1's The Big 80's TV show (Duran Duran).

I didn't become a TRUE FAN of people like Prince and Stevie until after 2000---almost 20 years or so after they were topping the charts. I remember many of those songs very, wery well...but, didn't like them until years later. I don't know why that is... I didn't intentionally set out to listen to and enjoy 20 year old records, but I'd hear a song somewhere, love it and it would happen to not be current. Still trying to figure that out!! I admit that part of it, for at least the 80's and 90's stuff is nostalgia.

I agree about the talent thing. I mentioned that in another thread. No matter what era, most of my favorite artists have something in common---a player could really play and a singer could really sing. Breaks my heart what people pass off as talent these days.... If Rihanna is talented, then what are Stevie and Prince considered?

sosgemini said:

MickyDolenz said:

I never understood why people have a fit about what other people are listening to. I've never really listened to the same music of the people around me at school or whatever, and I didn't care about what they were listening to. Griping about music you don't like or think is bad is being a music snob/bigot. What's wrong with someone liking ringtone tunes, autotune, teen pop, death metal, etc.? If it makes the listener happy, then more power to them. Why waste time and energy complaining, just listen to what you enjoy, and let other people listen to what they enjoy. The popular music you're complaining about, in some cases is financing the less popular performer's music. Without the bigger selling acts, the major record companies couldn't afford to put out genres that aren't mainstream and don't sell much or only sell to a small group of people.

I don't get this either but then it's obvious some people post stuff more for attention then anything else.

I hear ya honey. Ain't it a shame when you start a thread about how and why folks bitch about music when they get older and somebody has to come along and disagree with it? I don't know why folks can't just agree with it and hold hands and sit around a big ole campfire singing "Kumbabya".

vainandy said:

sosgemini said:

I don't get this either but then it's obvious some people post stuff more for attention then anything else.

I hear ya honey. Ain't it a shame when you start a thread about how and why folks bitch about music when they get older and somebody has to come along and disagree with it? I don't know why folks can't just agree with it and hold hands and sit around a big ole campfire singing "Kumbabya".

Actually, as I previously stated, I was hoping people would read the actual article and comment on some of the valid and invalid points the two made. Tis okay, I know subtlety is not your forte so I am going to forgive you, for once again, repeating the same diatribes like the broken record you are.

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

There has always been shit, now and then

the problem is: at least since 2004, the new good music is not that good, but the new bad music IS THAT bad...perhaps worse than ever...

my 2 cent...

To my ears, The problem started AFTER 1993, never mind 2004.

I do agree that 94-99 was way worse than 91-93, but still wonderful years next to the crap of 04-??