I would really love to hear some Stevie Wonder Outtakes from his 70's era music. I wonder if we'll ever get anything from that era....

I know there is lots of live recordings of the unreleased songs. But I haven't ever seen any kind of collection of even the live recordings... Private message if you know of any... *wink wink* Although as recent as last week Stevie said that he plans to to release a remixed collection of his unreleased songs called "I Remember Me"

Now knowing Stevie that is FAR from guarantee that it will ever see the light of day.... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/us...onderMusic

P2daP said:

I know there is lots of live recordings of the unreleased songs. But I haven't ever seen any kind of collection of even the live recordings... Private message if you know of any... *wink wink* Although as recent as last week Stevie said that he plans to to release a remixed collection of his unreleased songs called "I Remember Me"

Now knowing Stevie that is FAR from guarantee that it will ever see the light of day.... LOL

Fool still got two studio albums to put out (or three) and now a fourth. Negro, you can't be that busy! LOL

Timmy84 said:

P2daP said:

I know there is lots of live recordings of the unreleased songs. But I haven't ever seen any kind of collection of even the live recordings... Private message if you know of any... *wink wink* Although as recent as last week Stevie said that he plans to to release a remixed collection of his unreleased songs called "I Remember Me"

Now knowing Stevie that is FAR from guarantee that it will ever see the light of day.... LOL

Fool still got two studio albums to put out (or three) and now a fourth. Negro, you can't be that busy! LOL

Whatever happened to the Tony Bennett duet album?

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Fool still got two studio albums to put out (or three) and now a fourth. Negro, you can't be that busy! LOL

Whatever happened to the Tony Bennett duet album?

UGH, add another one to the list of ambitious Stevie Wonder albums still in the beginning stages.

I guess all that work in Motown in the '60s and '70s got Stevie to be slower on the work overload... I know he's 61 now but damn lol

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Whatever happened to the Tony Bennett duet album?

UGH, add another one to the list of ambitious Stevie Wonder albums still in the beginning stages.

I guess all that work in Motown in the '60s and '70s got Stevie to be slower on the work overload... I know he's 61 now but damn lol

Then there was supposed to be a country album, a jazz album, and a gospel album.

Not into the idea of remixed versions of unreleased songs.

Some of the 70s outtakes are incredible.

Not only all that but Stevie has got album titles and everything!!

Either Stevie has a music vault that make Prince do a head take or They are just visions in his mind

jjam said:

Not into the idea of remixed versions of unreleased songs.

Some of the 70s outtakes are incredible.

Co-sign.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

UGH, add another one to the list of ambitious Stevie Wonder albums still in the beginning stages.

I guess all that work in Motown in the '60s and '70s got Stevie to be slower on the work overload... I know he's 61 now but damn lol

Then there was supposed to be a country album, a jazz album, and a gospel album.

A COUNTRY ALBUM!?! Damn that's the first I'm hearing of that, must've missed it. What's next, a polka album?

I did hear he was trying to do a Marvin Gaye covers album!

Now Stevie, I love him and all but if he ever does that shit...

jjam said:

Not into the idea of remixed versions of unreleased songs.

In a way, he's already done this, because several 1960's & 70's unreleased songs got re-recorded on later albums. Others were performed in concert years before he released them on an album. On his 2005 record, there's a song called Please Don't Hurt My Baby that Stevie wrote in the 1960's.

jjam said:

Not into the idea of remixed versions of unreleased songs.

Some of the 70s outtakes are incredible.

I agree.He should release these songs as they are! No remixing,no re-recording....just give us the songs as they were originally recorded! Like these 1974 outtakes...

some more stuff from the same era (1973/74)

Not a patch on the full length versions.

I have several Stevie Wonder bootlegs, but all of them are live and most of them are quite good. The oddity of the collection is a jam session of Stevie jamming in Malibu with Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Harry Nilsson and Bobby Keys from 1974 (yes, you read that correctly Lennon and McCartney in 1974). Unfortunately, it sounds better on paper than it does in actuality. It circulates under the name, "A Toot and a Snore in '74."

Not an outtake, but those not in the know should seek out Syreeta's albums which are for the most part complete Stevie Wonder productions from the mid-70s. The last I saw them were on this twofer that now looks out of print.

http://www.amazon.com/Syreeta-Stevie-Wonder-Presents/dp/B000BJ1OBO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1308580503&sr=8-7

[Edited 6/20/11 7:36am]

SoulAlive said:

jjam said:

Not into the idea of remixed versions of unreleased songs.

Some of the 70s outtakes are incredible.

I agree.He should release these songs as they are! No remixing,no re-recording....just give us the songs as they were originally recorded! Like these 1974 outtakes...

Some background: A little dismayed to see these clips online since I'm part owner of the masters and sat in the studio when they were dumped from reel to reel... Somebody probably couldn't resist leaking a teaser...

Myself and 35 others participated in a 'blind' group buy of 4 reels at the memorabilia auction company. There were orignally 3 lots of multiple reels (one of which we 'won') The folks there are very secretive about their sources but these probably originated as rough mixes left at the recording studio. We even tried to pry info out of them to locate winners of the other lots to perform a swap (even tried to cut them into the deal but they would not disclose the info...)

I actually picked up the tapes in person and were recieved 'tails out' and according to the mastering engineer, they were not played/ listened to in years. The tapes were baked and dumped to digital (flat transfers 16/44.1 & 24/88.2 .wav files) at a world renowed recording/ mastering facility by a world renowned mastering engineer (whom I went to high school with).

Turns out there were a bunch of completed/ unreleased songs (lots of false starts) pre vocal version of Saturn, a version of Cryin' Through the Night that stomps all over the album version. Definately enough for a short (35-40 minute) CD release.

It was the find and experience of a life time hearing these for the first time. I, personally would like to see them released but would need group consensus and obviously would need to be put in touch w/ Stevie's team...

Wow! Thanks for the info!!

Imaginative said:

I have several Stevie Wonder bootlegs, but all of them are live and most of them are quite good. The oddity of the collection is a jam session of Stevie jamming in Malibu with Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Harry Nilsson and Bobby Keys from 1974 (yes, you read that correctly Lennon and McCartney in 1974). Unfortunately, it sounds better on paper than it does in actuality. It circulates under the name, "A Toot and a Snore in '74."

sounds interesting!

SoulAlive said:

Wow! Thanks for the info!!

One of the group guys had been trying to research Stevie's studio bookings during that period w/ hopes of getting some daily sheets & ID the session players. (boxes are dated) Never panned out...

Super busy as of late but if I have time I'd be more than happy to search for some photos I took of the reels/ studio and post pix (Reels went back to the guy who organized the purchase & are not in my posession).

SoulAlive said:

Imaginative said:

I have several Stevie Wonder bootlegs, but all of them are live and most of them are quite good. The oddity of the collection is a jam session of Stevie jamming in Malibu with Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Harry Nilsson and Bobby Keys from 1974 (yes, you read that correctly Lennon and McCartney in 1974). Unfortunately, it sounds better on paper than it does in actuality. It circulates under the name, "A Toot and a Snore in '74."

sounds interesting!

http://prince.org/msg/8/352834

MickyDolenz said:

jjam said:

Not into the idea of remixed versions of unreleased songs.

In a way, he's already done this, because several 1960's & 70's unreleased songs got re-recorded on later albums. Others were performed in concert years before he released them on an album. On his 2005 record, there's a song called Please Don't Hurt My Baby that Stevie wrote in the 1960's.

Love that song. I suppose this is what he means when he says to 'remix' the song. I'm sure that the music we hear on that track is definitely not the same as what he was doing in the 60's lol and if that is the case I think it would be a good thing.

I want anything from Stevie. I thought A Time To Love was a good album. Some really great songs there.

Not only he failed to deliver the albums that were 'announced' in recent years.

As I've read recently, 'In Square Circle' was intended to be a double album, there had to have been a 'Characters II', a 'Fullfillingness' Second Finale' seemingly exists and there's still another scrapped album from the 80s, can't remember if it was intended for release before 'The Woman In Red' or 'Jungle Fever'.

And I've also heard he wants everything to be destroyed after his passing.

Stevie, why you wanna treat us so bad?

[Edited 6/21/11 10:50am]

vitriol said:

Not only he failed to deliver the albums that were 'announced' in recent years.

As I've read recently, 'In Square Circle' was intended to be a double album, there had to have been a 'Characters II', a 'Fullfillingness' Second Finale' seemingly exists and there's still another scrapped album from the 80s, can't remember if it was intended for release before 'The Woman In Red' or 'Jungle Fever'.

And I've also heard he wants everything to be destroyed after his passing.

Stevie, why you wanna treat us so bad?

[Edited 6/21/11 10:50am]

This is what has confused me the most about Stevie. If I didn't know any better and I was an astrology nut, I'd think he fit the category of Aries since Aries has been known to be ambitious but not following through so they move on to someone else but I guess to anyone who's that creative. Stevie also talked of moving permanently to Ghana in the '70s but never really followed on that wish and he claims he does have residence in Africa but I'm not too sure of that. Apparently Stevie got like 10 albums done or something but he always goes back over the songs because he doesn't think the songs are ready. I know he told his friends/acquaintances/musicians to not say anything but I just wonder why he tends to move from one project to the next. It seemed like whatever happened to him after Songs made him unreliable as far as putting out product. I also wonder why he wanted to stop doing tours after 1986. Lots of unanswered questions.

Timmy84 said:

vitriol said:

Not only he failed to deliver the albums that were 'announced' in recent years.

As I've read recently, 'In Square Circle' was intended to be a double album, there had to have been a 'Characters II', a 'Fullfillingness' Second Finale' seemingly exists and there's still another scrapped album from the 80s, can't remember if it was intended for release before 'The Woman In Red' or 'Jungle Fever'.

And I've also heard he wants everything to be destroyed after his passing.

Stevie, why you wanna treat us so bad?

[Edited 6/21/11 10:50am]

This is what has confused me the most about Stevie. If I didn't know any better and I was an astrology nut, I'd think he fit the category of Aries since Aries has been known to be ambitious but not following through so they move on to someone else but I guess to anyone who's that creative. Stevie also talked of moving permanently to Ghana in the '70s but never really followed on that wish and he claims he does have residence in Africa but I'm not too sure of that. Apparently Stevie got like 10 albums done or something but he always goes back over the songs because he doesn't think the songs are ready. I know he told his friends/acquaintances/musicians to not say anything but I just wonder why he tends to move from one project to the next. It seemed like whatever happened to him after Songs made him unreliable as far as putting out product. I also wonder why he wanted to stop doing tours after 1986. Lots of unanswered questions.

I read some comments from one of the TONTO guys (don't recall if it was Malcolm or Robert) in a book about Stevie, that said there was something fishy about Stevie's car wreck accident from the early 70's. It seemed to me that he was implying that the accident didn't happen (or didn't happen the way it was reported) and that Stevie's "people" and entourage took control of him afterwards. The TONTO guy also said that some of Stevie's "people" were racist and tried to keep him from whites and that was one of the reasons they (Robert & Malcolm) stopped working with Stevie.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

This is what has confused me the most about Stevie. If I didn't know any better and I was an astrology nut, I'd think he fit the category of Aries since Aries has been known to be ambitious but not following through so they move on to someone else but I guess to anyone who's that creative. Stevie also talked of moving permanently to Ghana in the '70s but never really followed on that wish and he claims he does have residence in Africa but I'm not too sure of that. Apparently Stevie got like 10 albums done or something but he always goes back over the songs because he doesn't think the songs are ready. I know he told his friends/acquaintances/musicians to not say anything but I just wonder why he tends to move from one project to the next. It seemed like whatever happened to him after Songs made him unreliable as far as putting out product. I also wonder why he wanted to stop doing tours after 1986. Lots of unanswered questions.

I read some comments from one of the TONTO guys (don't recall if it was Malcolm or Robert) in a book about Stevie, that said there was something fishy about Stevie's car wreck accident from the early 70's. It seemed to me that he was implying that the accident didn't happen (or didn't happen the way it was reported) and that Stevie's "people" and entourage took control of him afterwards. The TONTO guy also said that some of Stevie's "people" were racist and tried to keep him from whites and that was one of the reasons they (Robert & Malcolm) stopped working with Stevie.

Yeah I read that part... that really struck me as odd...

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I read some comments from one of the TONTO guys (don't recall if it was Malcolm or Robert) in a book about Stevie, that said there was something fishy about Stevie's car wreck accident from the early 70's. It seemed to me that he was implying that the accident didn't happen (or didn't happen the way it was reported) and that Stevie's "people" and entourage took control of him afterwards. The TONTO guy also said that some of Stevie's "people" were racist and tried to keep him from whites and that was one of the reasons they (Robert & Malcolm) stopped working with Stevie.

Yeah I read that part... that really struck me as odd...

I remember Ira Tucker was mentioned as one of the main instigators. It kinda reminded me of Vernon Presley complaining about Colonel Parker and the Memphis Mafia.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I read that part... that really struck me as odd...

I remember Ira Tucker was mentioned as one of the main instigators. It kinda reminded me of Vernon Presley complaining about Colonel Parker and the Memphis Mafia.

Didn't Ira and Stevie begin working together around this time?

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

This is what has confused me the most about Stevie. If I didn't know any better and I was an astrology nut, I'd think he fit the category of Aries since Aries has been known to be ambitious but not following through so they move on to someone else but I guess to anyone who's that creative. Stevie also talked of moving permanently to Ghana in the '70s but never really followed on that wish and he claims he does have residence in Africa but I'm not too sure of that. Apparently Stevie got like 10 albums done or something but he always goes back over the songs because he doesn't think the songs are ready. I know he told his friends/acquaintances/musicians to not say anything but I just wonder why he tends to move from one project to the next. It seemed like whatever happened to him after Songs made him unreliable as far as putting out product. I also wonder why he wanted to stop doing tours after 1986. Lots of unanswered questions.

I read some comments from one of the TONTO guys (don't recall if it was Malcolm or Robert) in a book about Stevie, that said there was something fishy about Stevie's car wreck accident from the early 70's. It seemed to me that he was implying that the accident didn't happen (or didn't happen the way it was reported) and that Stevie's "people" and entourage took control of him afterwards. The TONTO guy also said that some of Stevie's "people" were racist and tried to keep him from whites and that was one of the reasons they (Robert & Malcolm) stopped working with Stevie.

I read about that too. During the recording of Fulfillingness' First Finale, there was a lot of hostility among Stevie, the TONTO team, and the folks Stevie brought in the studio from time to time. Cecil recalled that he was trying to get Stevie to mix something, but Stevie's brother and other people started to rant racial slurs. Cecil uttered something like "Hey, can you guys quiet down", but Stevie would tell him repeatedly in an agressive matter to not talk to his friends like that. An argument between Stevie and Cecil, causing Cecil to storm out of the mixing studio. At the Grammys, when Stevie won the Album of the Year prize for Fulfillingness', Stevie was quite distant from the TONTO guys and it irked both guys out. Stevie's entourage got larger and larger as time went on, but in the end they were just leeches.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I remember Ira Tucker was mentioned as one of the main instigators. It kinda reminded me of Vernon Presley complaining about Colonel Parker and the Memphis Mafia.

Didn't Ira and Stevie begin working together around this time?

I think so, not sure. But according to the TONTO comments, Stevie changed when Ira and others came into the picture.