Of course I know it was about money, but were the JW community outraged over this? Did they know about it? Are JW's really that money hungry to go against what they believe in to make $? [Of course I am reffering to The Jackson 5's 'Christmas album'] Please give your thoughts on this one....

I predict a riot...

For dead presidents!

Because Berry Gordy told them to.

HonestMan13 said:

For dead presidents!

Took the words right out of my mouth.

The J5, like most Motown acts of the time, had no choice in what they recorded. A few like Stevie Wonder & Marvin Gaye had to fight hard against this system. Motown was even their acts "manager" and made them go to charm school.

HonestMan13 said:

For dead presidents!

If you know anything about Motown's contracts, the group probably didn't make much money.

MickyDolenz said:

HonestMan13 said:

For dead presidents!

If you know anything about Motown's contracts, the group probably didn't make much money.

True, but money was the reason, regardless of who may have pocketed it.

Theoretically, Streisand, Manilow, and other artists who don't celebrate Christmas do Christmas albums.

Because Joe Jackson is only a Jehovah's Witness when it's convenient for him.

namepeace said:

MickyDolenz said:

If you know anything about Motown's contracts, the group probably didn't make much money.

True, but money was the reason, regardless of who may have pocketed it.

Theoretically, Streisand, Manilow, and other artists who don't celebrate Christmas do Christmas albums.

Isn't Barbara Streisand Jewish? One of my best friends was Jewish and she had no problem coming over and partying with us at Christmas and even posing in front of the Christmas tree with us. She also did her own thing on her Jewish holidays also. She didn't seem to have a problem with us and what we believed and we didn't have a problem with her and her beliefs either. We all just got along and had a wonderful time together.

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

$$$$$$$

scorp84 said:

Because Berry Gordy told them to.

vainandy said:

Because Joe Jackson is only a Jehovah's Witness when it's convenient for him.

Joe Jackson is not a JW, he practiced it briefly but he didn't convert, he stayed with the Lutheran faith he was brought up on.

gunner82 said:

Of course I know it was about money, but were the JW community outraged over this? Did they know about it? Are JW's really that money hungry to go against what they believe in to make $? [Of course I am reffering to The Jackson 5's 'Christmas album'] Please give your thoughts on this one....

TWO WORDS: Berry Gordy

vainandy said:

Because Joe Jackson is only a Jehovah's Witness when it's convenient for him.

Joseph was NEVER a JW in the first place. Katherine was and still is a JW since childhood.

Because Joe Jackson was gonna give them an ass whoopin' if they did not sing Christmas Carols on que.

vainandy said:

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

So those virtues are good for you but not JW's, ehh?

TonyVanDam said:

gunner82 said:

Of course I know it was about money, but were the JW community outraged over this? Did they know about it? Are JW's really that money hungry to go against what they believe in to make $? [Of course I am reffering to The Jackson 5's 'Christmas album'] Please give your thoughts on this one....

TWO WORDS: Berry Gordy

Bingo

sosgemini said:

vainandy said:

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

So those virtues are good for you but not JW's, ehh?

The difference is, I don't pretend to be a pure little goodie two shoes. There's plenty wrong about me but I'm not afraid to flaunt the bad as well as the good. No person is perfect nor should they claim to be. I just be myself and if people don't like it, well, I've got plenty of ass for them to kiss.

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

Because Joe Jackson is only a Jehovah's Witness when it's convenient for him.

Joe Jackson is not a JW, he practiced it briefly but he didn't convert, he stayed with the Lutheran faith he was brought up on.

His religion is money.

MickyDolenz said:

The J5, like most Motown acts of the time, had no choice in what they recorded. A few like Stevie Wonder & Marvin Gaye had to fight hard against this system. Motown was even their acts "manager" and made them go to charm school.

exactly...

MickyDolenz said:

HonestMan13 said:

For dead presidents!

If you know anything about Motown's contracts, the group probably didn't make much money.

not at all. motown jacked them, diana ross, and everybody else.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

Joe Jackson is not a JW, he practiced it briefly but he didn't convert, he stayed with the Lutheran faith he was brought up on.

His religion is money.

it is.

TonyVanDam said:

gunner82 said:

Of course I know it was about money, but were the JW community outraged over this? Did they know about it? Are JW's really that money hungry to go against what they believe in to make $? [Of course I am reffering to The Jackson 5's 'Christmas album'] Please give your thoughts on this one....

TWO WORDS: Berry Gordy

uh huh.

MJJstudent said:

MickyDolenz said:

If you know anything about Motown's contracts, the group probably didn't make much money.

not at all. motown jacked them, diana ross, and everybody else.

Right. Diana Ross was dead broke when she left Motown. That's why she agreed to a $20 million deal with RCA and didn't accept Berry's excuse as to why he couldn't "top" it (when he was mad rich/wealthy). I think the ONLY Motown acts that benefited were Rick James (mainly because he read the contracts and demanded a certain raise) and Smokey Robinson and even Rick was in debt (thanks to years of drug spending) by the time of his death. So really only Smokey benefitted (sp?) from Motown's early years because he was writer/producer/staffer/vice president, etc.

vainandy said:

namepeace said:

True, but money was the reason, regardless of who may have pocketed it.

Theoretically, Streisand, Manilow, and other artists who don't celebrate Christmas do Christmas albums.

Isn't Barbara Streisand Jewish? One of my best friends was Jewish and she had no problem coming over and partying with us at Christmas and even posing in front of the Christmas tree with us. She also did her own thing on her Jewish holidays also. She didn't seem to have a problem with us and what we believed and we didn't have a problem with her and her beliefs either. We all just got along and had a wonderful time together.

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

I meant from a religious standpoint, I should have said that, but you're right re: Streisand. As for JW's, they just practice evangelization to the nth degree. My great-grandmother and a lot of my family were/are JWs.

vainandy said:

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

Honestly, except for the door to door bit, I haven't met any seriously religious person of any faith that doesn't think that they're right and everyone else that doesn't believe as they do are wrong.

I grew up in Christian churches, dabbled in Islam, currently married to a Jehovah's Witness and have been exposed to many people, of many faiths through out my travels. In the end, it's all the same... 'we're right, and the others have it wrong...and we can prove it with this book'.

I understand what you're saying, though... I just don't agree with JW's being singled out. Seems the common thing to do, but it isn't fair when many are guilty of the same things. I understand that many of us were taught from an early age that JW's were "freaks" and were to be ridiculed....myself included, and I see that attitude a lot on these forums in relation to Prince's conversion.

I don't follow ANY religion at all... and being able to step away and look at it all somewhat objectively has opened up my eyes. But that's ME...I could be wrong or I could be right.

I will say, that neither my wife nor any other JW's have ever tried to force their beliefs on me...they may test the waters but then quickly back off, while still treating me with respect. I can't say that for other religious folks I've encountered.

gemari77 said:

vainandy said:

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

Honestly, except for the door to door bit, I haven't met any seriously religious person of any faith that doesn't think that they're right and everyone else that doesn't believe as they do are wrong.

I grew up in Christian churches, dabbled in Islam, currently married to a Jehovah's Witness and have been exposed to many people, of many faiths through out my travels. In the end, it's all the same... 'we're right, and the others have it wrong...and we can prove it with this book'.

I understand what you're saying, though... I just don't agree with JW's being singled out. Seems the common thing to do, but it isn't fair when many are guilty of the same things. I understand that many of us were taught from an early age that JW's were "freaks" and were to be ridiculed....myself included, and I see that attitude a lot on these forums in relation to Prince's conversion.

I don't follow ANY religion at all... and being able to step away and look at it all somewhat objectively has opened up my eyes. But that's ME...I could be wrong or I could be right.

I will say, that neither my wife nor any other JW's have ever tried to force their beliefs on me...they may test the waters but then quickly back off, while still treating me with respect. I can't say that for other religious folks I've encountered.

I was never taught they were freaks and should be rediculed. Actually, my father's beliefs are very similar to Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs and he thought he could beat his beliefs into me. If anything, it made me despise his beliefs more than respect them especially considering that my mother and her entire side of the family were Baptists and had no problem whatsoever with his beliefs until he tried to force them on us. My mother let us be free to choose whatever religion we wanted but hey, what child is going to choose a religion that frowns on all things fun when they've been exposed to having fun by other family members?

I realize he was an extreme case, but also he was married to someone that was not his religion and as strict as his ass and as obsessed as he is with his religion, a marriage to anyone that is not his religion is going to be doomed from the start. But I have never had any Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Jewish people, etc. come to my door and preach like they were spreading the Word to the heathernous other religions. All I've ever had them knock on my door for is to ask if I'd like to buy a candy bar with the proceeds going to help build a new church gym or something. Never no sermon at the door....ever.

sosgemini said:

vainandy said:

However, I have never met a Jehovah's Witness that didn't have the thinking that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I mean to point of going door to door and making a neusance of themselves.

So those virtues are good for you but not JW's, ehh?

The "virtue" of discounting a belief held by people who are different than you, so as to raise yourself up, is a long held tradition in many faiths. Christians seems fairly well versed in this capacity.