Yes there are fair and lovely creams, but they only make you a little bit lighter from your original tone and are temporary. I've heard of stars like Janet and Diana Ross using them too, but it doesn't look like it permanently made them like that. And say MJ did use them, it would have been to even out the tones, and the report confirms once again that he does have it. I'm sure if it was founded that he didn't have it, the coroners and media would have had a field day with it.

Emancipation89 said:

SagsWay2low said:

Here in Asia, skin lightening is very popular.

I know for a fact that you can go from MJ's original shade to his final shade using the stuff available here. I've seen students do it--they bleached out their original native dark brown color only to look...well, unnatural.

And the problem is that the products containing mercury also cause the skin to appear read and blochy in places, making it appear a bit like vitaligo.

I've seen the websites that show how his face have changed, and his how jawline has changed.

Although I think he did change his jawline, I think it's only happened about once or twice. I think his nose is what has changed the most---and his lips have changed a bit too.

MJ actually fascinates, as does the fans of his who defend the vitaligo argument. And there are even those who claim you can't bleach your skin white--oh yes...you....can. It happens here in Asia all the time. There are over-the-counter drugs that do it here. But again, MJ's ever-changing appearence used to fascinate me. Even his choice of kids to buy astounded me. There's not a lick of MJ in any of those kids ... It's utterly strange that someone who claimed to love all races, bleached his own racial features out of him, then went out and bought white kids. I love Kat William's skit about him on youtube.

Ok I don't know why people don't argue about these people who are half black and seem to have more caucasian features and just question MJ's kids?

1. Quincy Jones' Daughter

2. Tiger Woods' Son (Kinda reminds me of Blanket lol)

3. Wentworth Miller (from Prison Break!)

4. Ryan Giggs (Manchester United!)

5. Vin Dissel

I'm half Indian and half Vietnamese myself and I'm quite P.A.L.E. even though my parents are both dark! SO THERE!!!XP

Some of them actually are almost as pale as the white kids MJ bought, I admit.

alphastreet said:

Yes there are fair and lovely creams, but they only make you a little bit lighter from your original tone and are temporary. I've heard of stars like Janet and Diana Ross using them too, but it doesn't look like it permanently made them like that. And say MJ did use them, it would have been to even out the tones, and the report confirms once again that he does have it. I'm sure if it was founded that he didn't have it, the coroners and media would have had a field day with it.

There are creams and lotions here that will inhibit your skin from producing pigment, and can permanently damage skin.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3564962,00.html

They exist.

I see it all the time.

The appearance is way more dramatic than a bit of lightening. You can go from one look to a completely different one. Throw in a nose job and some wigs and the look is complete. It's frightening.

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Ah jeez...mods lock this damn bait thread.

Emancipation89 said:

SagsWay2low said:

Here in Asia, skin lightening is very popular.

I know for a fact that you can go from MJ's original shade to his final shade using the stuff available here. I've seen students do it--they bleached out their original native dark brown color only to look...well, unnatural.

And the problem is that the products containing mercury also cause the skin to appear read and blochy in places, making it appear a bit like vitaligo.

I've seen the websites that show how his face have changed, and his how jawline has changed.

Although I think he did change his jawline, I think it's only happened about once or twice. I think his nose is what has changed the most---and his lips have changed a bit too.

MJ actually fascinates, as does the fans of his who defend the vitaligo argument. And there are even those who claim you can't bleach your skin white--oh yes...you....can. It happens here in Asia all the time. There are over-the-counter drugs that do it here. But again, MJ's ever-changing appearence used to fascinate me. Even his choice of kids to buy astounded me. There's not a lick of MJ in any of those kids ... It's utterly strange that someone who claimed to love all races, bleached his own racial features out of him, then went out and bought white kids. I love Kat William's skit about him on youtube.

http://today.msnbc.msn.co...ay_health/

I was getting bored anyway

Looks exactly like the effects of skin lightening creams here.

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^ Exactly. This alone overshadows every theory out there.

And very sad article about what happens in Thailand

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Ah jeez...mods lock this damn bait thread.

How is this a bait tread when it's a legit question? People are giving legit answers & I'm not joking around or messing with people. I've always wondered this, so I've decided to ask [along with all my other questions that I post]. My question was obvious & I meant it. No Games, just honest thoughts & questions....

In hindsight there are too many 'what ifs' other than his multiple plastic surgeries that would have had an effect on his musical sound/persona. If he had not endured all the controversies of the 90s, Invincible wouldn't have been so tired and outdated for example. But I could still see him doing Bad and Dangerous because the sounds of those eras were totally his thing. Plus it's really hard to imagine 1991 without Terminator 2, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and the video to Black or White

In the end, no matter what he looked like, Michael Jackson was still Michael Jackson. I don't even know why someone would even think that because his appearance changed his artistic choices would be any different. There are some songs that would not exist, that one being 'Black or White.' 'We Are The World' would still have been done, because that’s just the kind of artist he was as evidenced in ‘Can You Feel It.’ Even with or without the plastic surgeries and his skin losing pigmentation, Dangerous still would have existed, because MJ almost always came to the party late when it came to music trends. I think, the biggest, influence to his own work though were the 1993 molestation charges.

If anything, I think that public opinions/acceptance of him changed dramatically due to his physical changes though. While I think that some people took it as him rejecting his race/ethnicity in some cases, others embraced him since he became more ideal and/or attractive to them. I think that people’s acceptance or rejection of his physical appearance is more of a reflection of them and their cultural values rather than his own.

Personally, his Invincible era really hurt my eyes & soul, but it was all right, because I was more interested in his art than what he looked like. Not everyone can do this as an artists’ image does make a huge difference to their shallow little minds.

SagsWay2low said:

There's not a lick of MJ in any of those kids ...

Oh, really?

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Unholyalliance said:

In the end, no matter what he looked like, Michael Jackson was still Michael Jackson. I don't even know why someone would even think that because his appearance changed his artistic choices would be any different. There are some songs that would not exist, that one being 'Black or White.' 'We Are The World' would still have been done, because that’s just the kind of artist he was as evidenced in ‘Can You Feel It.’ Even with or without the plastic surgeries and his skin losing pigmentation, Dangerous still would have existed, because MJ almost always came to the party late when it came to music trends. I think, the biggest, influence to his own work though were the 1993 molestation charges.

If anything, I think that public opinions/acceptance of him changed dramatically due to his physical changes though. While I think that some people took it as him rejecting his race/ethnicity in some cases, others embraced him since he became more ideal and/or attractive to them. I think that people’s acceptance or rejection of his physical appearance is more of a reflection of them and their cultural values rather than his own.

Personally, his Invincible era really hurt my eyes & soul, but it was all right, because I was more interested in his art than what he looked like. Not everyone can do this as an artists’ image does make a huge difference to their shallow little minds.

When I saw the cover of Invicible, I refused to buy it.....then I heard Butterflies and I gave in. I don't think that people that were offended by his appearance were "shallow" though. Like you said, if you have deep ties to your culture, and one of the most prominent members of your culture does everything he can to look like something else, it does kind of hurt your soul. When MJ died and they were showing old photos of him, all I heard from older black folks was how "pretty" he used to be and questions about why he did that to himself? Reading what MJ had to say in that Rabbi dudes book helped me to kind of forgive him for destroying what was to me, for most of my life, the perfect face.

Unholyalliance said:

In the end, no matter what he looked like, Michael Jackson was still Michael Jackson. I don't even know why someone would even think that because his appearance changed his artistic choices would be any different. There are some songs that would not exist, that one being 'Black or White.' 'We Are The World' would still have been done, because that’s just the kind of artist he was as evidenced in ‘Can You Feel It.’ Even with or without the plastic surgeries and his skin losing pigmentation, Dangerous still would have existed, because MJ almost always came to the party late when it came to music trends. I think, the biggest, influence to his own work though were the 1993 molestation charges.

If anything, I think that public opinions/acceptance of him changed dramatically due to his physical changes though. While I think that some people took it as him rejecting his race/ethnicity in some cases, others embraced him since he became more ideal and/or attractive to them. I think that people’s acceptance or rejection of his physical appearance is more of a reflection of them and their cultural values rather than his own.

Personally, his Invincible era really hurt my eyes & soul, but it was all right, because I was more interested in his art than what he looked like. Not everyone can do this as an artists’ image does make a huge difference to their shallow little minds.

I completely agree with this.

dag said:

SagsWay2low said:

There's not a lick of MJ in any of those kids ...

Oh, really?

[Edited 5/4/11 9:19am]

yup, really

Now, I am totally convinced that MJ wanted to be and appear white. I also think his kids are completely white as well.

However, lots of stars want to change their appearance.

We have transgender stars, and stars that look NOTHING like they did before.

Take, Pete Burns for example. He's known to be a freak and the butt of jokes just like MJ.

However, MJ gets criticized as being wrong for his decision to change himself.

I always wonder, why does MJ get singled out for moral chastising?

Why not just point out that he's a freak and be done with it.

Can anyone look at Pamela Anderson and say she looks like the person she was 20 years ago?

what-to-why edit

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Jennifer Beals from Flashdance has an African American father. I just found out today, I had no idea.

alphastreet said:

Jennifer Beals from Flashdance has an African American father. I just found out today, I had no idea.

I knew that when I was about 12.

I thought she might have possibly been mixed but thought it was just me

SagsWay2low said:

Now, I am totally convinced that MJ wanted to be and appear white. I also think his kids are completely white as well.

However, lots of stars want to change their appearance.

We have transgender stars, and stars that look NOTHING like they did before.

Take, Pete Burns for example. He's known to be a freak and the butt of jokes just like MJ.

However, MJ gets criticized as being wrong for his decision to change himself.

I always wonder, why does MJ get singled out for moral chastising?

Why not just point out that he's a freak and be done with it.

Can anyone look at Pamela Anderson and say she looks like the person she was 20 years ago?

what-to-why edit

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Good theory. Except it's based on your assumption, not truthful information lol

It's interesting...I don't know why you're denying the autopsy result. I thought you're one of those funny-smart people? Or I don't know maybe it was someone else I SUCK at memorizing usernames ehh why do I care who's whom >_<

But I wonder...if that "MJ wanted to be white" theory is something that you desperately WANT to believe? Why do you want to believe that MJ wanted to be white when the autopsy result says vitiligo?

MJ cares about album sales. Bad and Dangerous didn't top Thriller. He knows being lighter skin is not a way to be popular. He knows people made fun of him all the time for looking pale. Why would he intentionally do something that damaged his career?

SagsWay2low said:

Now, I am totally convinced that MJ wanted to be and appear white. I also think his kids are completely white as well.

However, lots of stars want to change their appearance.

We have transgender stars, and stars that look NOTHING like they did before.

Take, Pete Burns for example. He's known to be a freak and the butt of jokes just like MJ.

However, MJ gets criticized as being wrong for his decision to change himself.

I always wonder, why does MJ get singled out for moral chastising?

Why not just point out that he's a freak and be done with it.

Can anyone look at Pamela Anderson and say she looks like the person she was 20 years ago?

what-to-why edit

[Edited 5/4/11 19:26pm]

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

SagsWay2low said:

Good one.

lmao!

Did anyone ever know why he did this??? ^^

Unholyalliance said:

In the end, no matter what he looked like, Michael Jackson was still Michael Jackson. I don't even know why someone would even think that because his appearance changed his artistic choices would be any different. There are some songs that would not exist, that one being 'Black or White.' 'We Are The World' would still have been done, because that’s just the kind of artist he was as evidenced in ‘Can You Feel It.’ Even with or without the plastic surgeries and his skin losing pigmentation, Dangerous still would have existed, because MJ almost always came to the party late when it came to music trends. I think, the biggest, influence to his own work though were the 1993 molestation charges.

If anything, I think that public opinions/acceptance of him changed dramatically due to his physical changes though. While I think that some people took it as him rejecting his race/ethnicity in some cases, others embraced him since he became more ideal and/or attractive to them. I think that people’s acceptance or rejection of his physical appearance is more of a reflection of them and their cultural values rather than his own.

Personally, his Invincible era really hurt my eyes & soul, but it was all right, because I was more interested in his art than what he looked like. Not everyone can do this as an artists’ image does make a huge difference to their shallow little minds.

i concur mostly with these highlighted words.

Timmy84 said:

OK, if you want my honest opinion, this is why Michael's appearance "changed":

• He became a vegetarian/decided not to eat that much (therefore he lost MAD weight)
• Age
• Vitiligo (we'll never know how deep the situation was with him because most of us never had to worry about having a disease that destroyed your skin, it can come gradually or can come quickly, in Michael's case, it came in dosages and got worse over time)
• The burn incident in 1984 forced him to wear wigs/weaves/lacefronts the rest of his natural life

That's how I can explain why his cheeks looked sullen in some years, why his eyes looked bugged out (usually if someone loses weight, the eyes start to widen). Plus with his vitiligo, his nose surgeries became more abstract, therefore that made people believed he had more surgeries than what he had.

MattyJam said:

Did anyone ever know why he did this??? ^^

As far as I know it was taken after midnight on his way from dermatologist.

Yeah Micahel had repeatedly said he was a proud African American man many many times. If someone does not believe the wrods from that mans mouth after the 4th time he said it then it says more about you than anything. Now his nose surgeries on the other hand...chile...even his mom said he had more than two. Anyway I was just listening to "In The Closet"..good lord that jam is funky...

paisleypark4 said:

Yeah Micahel had repeatedly said he was a proud African American man many many times. If someone does not believe the wrods from that mans mouth after the 4th time he said it then it says more about you than anything. Now his nose surgeries on the other hand...chile...even his mom said he had more than two. Anyway I was just listening to "In The Closet"..good lord that jam is funky...

illimack said:

When I saw the cover of Invicible, I refused to buy it.....then I heard Butterflies and I gave in. I don't think that people that were offended by his appearance were "shallow" though. Like you said, if you have deep ties to your culture, and one of the most prominent members of your culture does everything he can to look like something else, it does kind of hurt your soul. When MJ died and they were showing old photos of him, all I heard from older black folks was how "pretty" he used to be and questions about why he did that to himself? Reading what MJ had to say in that Rabbi dudes book helped me to kind of forgive him for destroying what was to me, for most of my life, the perfect face.

I only called people who let an artist's image affect their perception of the art shallow. Personally, I tend to avoid any information about the artists I listen to. I just want to enjoy the art for what it is.

Having talked to a lot of older black people who felt that his changes were a rejection of his cultural background and ethnicity I never and don't agree with them. I never felt that way. While I felt that his face looked jacked up during the Invincible era, I was never offended by it, at that time, for maybe the same reason others were. Lots of people have plastic surgery and this was something that was his decision and his alone for whatever reasons. I understand and respect the fact that all black people are not one whole entity and are individuals. While I wholly respect him and am forever grateful for what he's done for black people in the US and abroad, I don't take him as an extension of myself. He does not represent me. Only I represent myself. One doesn’t represent the whole. He represented himself.

I am reminded that this professor from Nigeria that did a survey that included a lot of older Nigerians and many of them didn’t see Michael Jackson as being black, but being American. Though she never did one with younger subjects, which would have been interesting, because I feel that they would have shared a similar view of him just being who he was, rather than claiming that he was ashamed of who he was. Which is why I’m curious as to kind of image future generations will come off with as it will be vastly different from those of us who grew up with him.

Even so, I still never thought of it as him rejecting his ethnicity or culture honestly, especially since his art never reflected it, not even once. I did always wonder if people would have felt the same way had he not had vitiligo. Would it have been such a big debate about him wanting to become ‘white’?

MattyJam said:

Did anyone ever know why he did this??? ^^

Alright as far as a I know...he and Blanket were playing and Blanket hit him in the mouth.