mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

I can't help but find contradictions in your statement. You have said you don't like Beyonce because her music isn 't impressive, and yet you question if I were a true MJ fan as if it's related. lol It's relative in what way? Because you think all true MJ fans should recognize who's overrated and who's not? I love MJ yes, but when I say I like certain other artists, I really don't care if those artists are truly talented enough not to be considered overrated. Well, to be honest, I don't even care if you or other MJ fans think I'm a "true" Michael fan or not, whatever that means lol. But I'd like to let you know that there are so many different types of MJ fans in the real world with different taste in music whether you like it or not, and not all of them have to have the same mindset as you to be a "sincere fan" Oh and you should also know that when I have discussion with someone about certain entertainer, t I don't give a shit whether that person's MJ fan or not lol You bringing up that true mj fan thing not only made me wonder why you think that has anything to do with this discussion, but also, cracked me up, to be quite honest.

You keep mentioning how overrated she is; if that's how you feel, again, I don't mind. I understand why you can be frustrated with that. But that still doesn't fully explain how you can link that to the fact that you think she should retire. If she's overrated, it's not her fault is it? Especially if you're talking about awards or recognitions. I think it'd make more sense if you were blaming the music industry for that one? Furthermore, I must let you know I never bother to keep up with how many awards she gets because music awards such as Grammy has lost my credit a long time ago.

You have also said one of the reasons why you think she should retire is because she's overexposed. You seem to be saying it's not good for an artist to be overexposed and that is why you think she should retire. Again, you lost me. I can't say I believe you when you said "she should retire because overexposing is not good for her". If you cared about her as an artist, you'd rather say "she should not expose herself for a while and then comeback with real music when she's fully ready." When people say someone should retire, and especially when that someone is as young as Beyonce, I don't believe it's because they are concerned with her career and they are only trying to help her out.

Im glad that it cracked you up I did the same when you said the SAME jugemental statement towards me.. So if you want to bring up contradicitons than you definitly have to do a MAN IN THE MIRROR on that one because you have did the same.

I didnt link the fact that she is overrated with why she should retire. If you read closely I broke it down and said that, her OVEREXPOSURE is hurting her popularity and it has.. she needs to take a long ass needed break. Like I said BEFORE, I personally could care less either way because I dont care to keep up with Beyonce.

I realize now that MJ fan statement was not clear at all. What I really meant was regardless of how you feel about Beyonce I can not honestly understand why you can not see why people find her overrated or may not care for her music in mentioning Michael Jackson I was just showing that he was a great artist he was a great POP artist which in todays industry is very rare and he made great music, was extremly talented in other areas as well. While Beyonce will never match that or does not have nearly the same talent.. why should she be excuse for making bad music? Ive notice all the time here anytime someone compares Beyonce to another artists lets say Rihanna for example they always make the arguement that she can sing and Rihanna cant... but SO WHAT? I just do not see how that necessarily makes her better when they both equally make bad music and both of overall material is average. I understand that you are a fan but just trying to get you to see a different view. Ive already seen your view and agree on the vocal aspect but everything else I guess is your opinion. In saying all of this, there are some pop artists that I do like but guess what? They make GOOD music. Popularity, overration etc does not nessarily matter to me neither but speaking on an artist such as Beyonce, most of her music is not good and alot of her success is unworthy. No.. I dont blame Beyonce for that... I blame the music industry but that still is not going to stop me or CHANGES the fact that she IS overrated. I think current artists such as Erykah Badu once again Adele make much better music and their material has been consistent. I also find them to be more talented and there not on a MJ or Stevie Wonder level and I can accept that BUT AT LEAST they make GOOD music. I just feel somtimes I alot of what Beyonce does is excuse because of her vocals which really are not all that impressive in itself...

lol What have I done as far as comparing MJ with Beyonce? Now you're just making up excuses. You're the one who brought up that "true MJ fan" thing as if you have right to judge others whether they're true fans or not. Take responsibility for what you said FOR ONCE!

You're getting on my last nerve with that MJ thing. Now you're saying because she's not as good as MJ she should be out of this business? It's time for you to wake up and realize NO ONE in so-called "pop" industry is as good as MJ right now. According to you, I assume EVERYONE who's not good enough as MJ should retire huh? Why don't you say that to Gaga, Britney, Christina, Fergie....pretty much everyone who tries to do POP and dance music? That is NOT an excuse for you to say Beyonce should retire. No one asked you to bare her music. If you don't like it, SKIP IT. And stop with that "good music" bull crap. What is your standard for Good Music? Just because it's not good to your ears everyone should think as the same? As I said, so far I'm not impressed with her new songs but I liked her old albums and those had good melody, positive lyrics and good vocals. And yes, I'll say that she had made some good music for me.

"She can't dance. She cant act. She is overexposed. She is overrated. All those things way out more than her singing which is just one thing which is probably why she gets alot of the flack that she does.. she is just overrated .. she should really just retire." This was your exact word from reply # 46. And now you're saying "Beyonce's overrated" statement was not the reason why you said She Should Retire? Again, stop confusing me and take responsibility for what you said.

And now you're saying she should take a long ass break? Retirement and taking a break are two completely different things. Why do you keep changing your words?

Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

Im glad that it cracked you up I did the same when you said the SAME jugemental statement towards me.. So if you want to bring up contradicitons than you definitly have to do a MAN IN THE MIRROR on that one because you have did the same.

I didnt link the fact that she is overrated with why she should retire. If you read closely I broke it down and said that, her OVEREXPOSURE is hurting her popularity and it has.. she needs to take a long ass needed break. Like I said BEFORE, I personally could care less either way because I dont care to keep up with Beyonce.

I realize now that MJ fan statement was not clear at all. What I really meant was regardless of how you feel about Beyonce I can not honestly understand why you can not see why people find her overrated or may not care for her music in mentioning Michael Jackson I was just showing that he was a great artist he was a great POP artist which in todays industry is very rare and he made great music, was extremly talented in other areas as well. While Beyonce will never match that or does not have nearly the same talent.. why should she be excuse for making bad music? Ive notice all the time here anytime someone compares Beyonce to another artists lets say Rihanna for example they always make the arguement that she can sing and Rihanna cant... but SO WHAT? I just do not see how that necessarily makes her better when they both equally make bad music and both of overall material is average. I understand that you are a fan but just trying to get you to see a different view. Ive already seen your view and agree on the vocal aspect but everything else I guess is your opinion. In saying all of this, there are some pop artists that I do like but guess what? They make GOOD music. Popularity, overration etc does not nessarily matter to me neither but speaking on an artist such as Beyonce, most of her music is not good and alot of her success is unworthy. No.. I dont blame Beyonce for that... I blame the music industry but that still is not going to stop me or CHANGES the fact that she IS overrated. I think current artists such as Erykah Badu once again Adele make much better music and their material has been consistent. I also find them to be more talented and there not on a MJ or Stevie Wonder level and I can accept that BUT AT LEAST they make GOOD music. I just feel somtimes I alot of what Beyonce does is excuse because of her vocals which really are not all that impressive in itself...

lol What have I done as far as comparing MJ with Beyonce? Now you're just making up excuses. You're the one who brought up that "true MJ fan" thing as if you have right to judge others whether they're true fans or not. Take responsibility for what you said FOR ONCE!

You're getting on my last nerve with that MJ thing. Now you're saying because she's not as good as MJ she should be out of this business? It's time for you to wake up and realize NO ONE in so-called "pop" industry is as good as MJ right now. According to you, I assume EVERYONE who's not good enough as MJ should retire huh? Why don't you say that to Gaga, Britney, Christina, Fergie....pretty much everyone who tries to do POP and dance music? That is NOT an excuse for you to say Beyonce should retire. No one asked you to bare her music. If you don't like it, SKIP IT. And stop with that "good music" bull crap. What is your standard for Good Music? Just because it's not good to your ears everyone should think as the same? As I said, so far I'm not impressed with her new songs but I liked her old albums and those had good melody, positive lyrics and good vocals. And yes, I'll say that she had made some good music for me.

"She can't dance. She cant act. She is overexposed. She is overrated. All those things way out more than her singing which is just one thing which is probably why she gets alot of the flack that she does.. she is just overrated .. she should really just retire." This was your exact word from reply # 46. And now you're saying "Beyonce's overrated" statement was not the reason why you said She Should Retire? Again, stop confusing me and take responsibility for what you said.

And now you're saying she should take a long ass break? Retirement and taking a break are two completely different things. Why do you keep changing your words?

You have reading comprehension problems... badly

When did I ever say you compared Beyonce and MJ? I gave my own reason as to why I used Michael as an example. This is why I hate getting into conversations with fans because they do not clearly read through or comprehend an opposing view, all they do is take out the bits and pieces that they want and change it to their liking which is immature. If you can not talk to me maturely without taking things personally or without being biased then simply dont conversate with me. I STATED ONCE AGAIN that that MJ statement was not clear, that IS taking ownership hun. NOW YOU need to as well because in your last couple of posts some of your responces were judgemental so you can not possibly call the kettle black and get mad about that true MJ statement that I ALREADY stated was unclear. You can stop bringing that up now. If your going to dish it out then you are going to have to take it simple as that.

LOL I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you because it is clear to me you can not read. In the last post I clearly gave examples of OTHER ARTISTS BESIDES BEYONCE that exactly make good music AND once again used Michael to show that.. a Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder talent is NOT necessary in order to make good music or to be labeled talented. An arguement that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you are claiming I did. I mentioned that I liked artists like Adele and Erykah Badu who are not on the calibar of MJ but they at least make good music unlike Beyonce WHO you are claiming with this post that I am putting down by comparing her to Michael when really the point is not showing a comparision at all. THE POINT WAS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF GREAT TALENT IN ORDER TO MAKE GOOD MUSIC, YOU CAN DO THAT REGARDLESS. I supported that by mentioning artists who do.Beyonce does not

Gurl taking a long ass break, retiring same thing.. she needs to go away for a while and like I said before I really dont care.. this is just a music conversation that you obviously are not mature enough to handle. No. She does not make good music and I am not going to stop with that talk. When she starts making good music then I will acknowledge that until then her music is bullshit. What positive lyrics?

Get me bodied?

Beautiful Liar

Radio

Single Ladies

Freakum dress? Those are positive lyrics?

lmao ...Whatever... Im done.

mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

lol What have I done as far as comparing MJ with Beyonce? Now you're just making up excuses. You're the one who brought up that "true MJ fan" thing as if you have right to judge others whether they're true fans or not. Take responsibility for what you said FOR ONCE!

You're getting on my last nerve with that MJ thing. Now you're saying because she's not as good as MJ she should be out of this business? It's time for you to wake up and realize NO ONE in so-called "pop" industry is as good as MJ right now. According to you, I assume EVERYONE who's not good enough as MJ should retire huh? Why don't you say that to Gaga, Britney, Christina, Fergie....pretty much everyone who tries to do POP and dance music? That is NOT an excuse for you to say Beyonce should retire. No one asked you to bare her music. If you don't like it, SKIP IT. And stop with that "good music" bull crap. What is your standard for Good Music? Just because it's not good to your ears everyone should think as the same? As I said, so far I'm not impressed with her new songs but I liked her old albums and those had good melody, positive lyrics and good vocals. And yes, I'll say that she had made some good music for me.

"She can't dance. She cant act. She is overexposed. She is overrated. All those things way out more than her singing which is just one thing which is probably why she gets alot of the flack that she does.. she is just overrated .. she should really just retire." This was your exact word from reply # 46. And now you're saying "Beyonce's overrated" statement was not the reason why you said She Should Retire? Again, stop confusing me and take responsibility for what you said.

And now you're saying she should take a long ass break? Retirement and taking a break are two completely different things. Why do you keep changing your words?

You have reading comprehension problems... badly

When did I ever say you compared Beyonce and MJ? I gave my own reason as to why I used Michael as an example. This is why I hate getting into conversations with fans because they do not clearly read through or comprehend an opposing view, all they do is take out the bits and pieces that they want and change it to their liking which is immature. If you can not talk to me maturely without taking things personally or without being biased then simply dont conversate with me. I STATED ONCE AGAIN that that MJ statement was not clear, that IS taking ownership hun. NOW YOU need to as well because in your last couple of posts some of your responces were judgemental so you can not possibly call the kettle black and get mad about that true MJ statement that I ALREADY stated was unclear. You can stop bringing that up now. If your going to dish it out then you are going to have to take it simple as that.

LOL I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you because it is clear to me you can not read. In the last post I clearly gave examples of OTHER ARTISTS BESIDES BEYONCE that exactly make good music AND once again used Michael to show that.. a Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder talent is NOT necessary in order to make good music or to be labeled talented. An arguement that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you are claiming I did. I mentioned that I liked artists like Adele and Erykah Badu who are not on the calibar of MJ but they at least make good music unlike Beyonce WHO you are claiming with this post that I am putting down by comparing her to Michael when really the point is not showing a comparision at all. THE POINT WAS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF GREAT TALENT IN ORDER TO MAKE GOOD MUSIC, YOU CAN DO THAT REGARDLESS. I supported that by mentioning artists who do.Beyonce does not

Gurl taking a long ass break, retiring same thing.. she needs to go away for a while and like I said before I really dont care.. this is just a music conversation that you obviously are not mature enough to handle. No. She does not make good music and I am not going to stop with that talk. When she starts making good music then I will acknowledge that until then her music is bullshit. What positive lyrics?

Get me bodied?

Beautiful Liar

Radio

Single Ladies

Freakum dress? Those are positive lyrics?

lmao ...Whatever... Im done.

lol You seem not to comprehend the metaphor at all. I'm not implying you have literally said that I compared MJ and Beyonce. When I said "if you're only going to listen to good music, fine" you obviously took that as judgmental statement, when the sentence started with "if", which is technically a hypothetical statement rather than judgmental. And then you got defensive and came up with questioning the true MJ fan status. Then you kept defending yourself by saying that because I made judgmental statement, you're only trying to do the same. Clearly, you got it all wrong from the beginning.

Again I ask, What is your standard of good music? I'm sorry to let you know this but it's you who's not understanding what I'm saying at all, avoiding my questions and making up excuses. You still haven't accepted the fact that you used overrating as your reason to say she should retire.

Sorry, "Beyonce's overexposed so she should retire" does NOT sound mature critic to me. In your head it might sound mature, but it really isn't. I don't mind people get techinical with the music in terms of too much repetition, being heavily based on electric drum, weak vocals, length of melody etc. but clearly, the only statement you have in your mind is "good or bad". Sorry to let you know this but I think my 12 old sister can make more detailed review and come up with reasoning to back it up lol In fact, nothing you have said so far convinced me that you're able to have "mature" conversation about music.

Retirement and taking a break are two different things. You're so lost you seem to be talking about things that you don't even know. I don't think you're any different from those kids who say "Justin Bieber should die for making horrible music!" They usually back up their statement with saying because he's making horrible music. Yet I still haven't seen you saying the same "retirement" shit starting on Gaga, Shakira or other artists thread.

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Emancipation89 said:

lol You seem not to comprehend the metaphor at all. I'm not implying you have literally said that I compared MJ and Beyonce. When I said "if you're only going to listen to good music, fine" you obviously took that as judgmental statement, when the sentence started with "if", which is technically a hypothetical statement rather than judgmental. And then you got defensive and came up with questioning the true MJ fan status. Then you kept defending yourself by saying that because I made judgmental statement, you're only trying to do the same. Clearly, you got it all wrong from the beginning.

Again I ask, What is your standard of good music? I'm sorry to let you know this but it's you who's not understanding what I'm saying at all, avoiding my questions and making up excuses. You still haven't accepted the fact that you used overrating as your reason to say she should retire.

NOPE. That is not the statement that I am even speaking about. You were judgemental with my opinion on Beyonce from jumpstreet. This was way back with your initial responce to me and I called you out on it. You insinuated that I relied on critics and other things as far as what I go to for music or in deciding the music that I like and I told you.. you were judgemental for that. So no.. Your orginally and iniated the judgementals assumptions just because you disagreed with me.

I never over reacted or used to that in my opinon. ONCE AGAIN that is all in your head. Last time I checked this is a music forum and I am just as free to speak my mind as you are. You can take my opinon any kind of way you want to take it. So far I have backed my arguement intelligently have not just childishly blurted ridiculous assumptions. Most of everything I said was fact and the only reason why you disagree is because you are a fan. You so caught up in your fandom you will not open your brain to a different view and yes for that I feel sorry for. For one thing, someone who screams and does not sing already is a fail for me. Also, Video Phone... Radio ... etc generic bullshit with crappy lyrics is somthing that is just solely only produced for mass appeal. Dont you understand that? Its not something that is taken seriously which is why I dont take it seriously because it is mostly powered by image and money not with real craft and artistic value which is something that you seem to not comprehend or wish to not comprehend..

You still insist on bringing up the overrated/ retire b.s. once I already cleared up your obvious misunderstanding of it. For the 100th time I stated that I was really refering to her overexposure.. regardless whether you feel she should retire or not.. she should take a break.. she has been non stop since 2003 and it really does not bother me either way, Its not going to stop me neither from giving my opinion on it whether she does or not lol this is a music discussion board

Emancipation89 said:

Sorry, "Beyonce's overexposed so she should retire" does NOT sound mature critic to me. In your head it might sound mature, but it really isn't. I don't mind people get techinical with the music in terms of too much repetition, being heavily based on electric drum, weak vocals, length of melody etc. but clearly, the only statement you have in your mind is "good or bad". Sorry to let you know this but I think my 12 old sister can make more detailed review and come up with reasoning to back it up lol In fact, nothing you have said so far convinced me that you're able to have "mature" conversation about music.

Your responces have been very not open minded to my views and you have shown that you can not handle opposing views on an artist that you like. That is not mature and is not healthy. If you are going to get into future music discussions with people who have different opinons than you then you need to be more open minded and realize that everyone is not going to share the same view or has to. I supported my claims and my arguement with a mature view and with some claims with facts. Im not going to continue to repeat myself with you and Im not going to get technical with Beyonces music because I put it in the same category as Gaga, Bieber etc which is all bubble gum generic pop trash only made and used for mass appeal like I told you before just because Beyonce has showed to have some vocal ability does not excuse her lack luster music.

Emancipation89 said:

Retirement and taking a break are two different things. You're so lost you seem to be talking about things that you don't even know. I don't think you're any different from those kids who say "Justin Bieber should die for making horrible music!" They usually back up their statement with saying because he's making horrible music. Yet I still haven't seen you saying the same "retirement" shit starting on Gaga, Shakira or other artists thread.

Why are you caught up with the different words and the meanings? Ok yes they are different words BUT regardless the OVERALL point is Beyonce should take a break.. now you can sit here and argue that retirement and taking a break is two different things or etc.. she needs to get out of the spotlight for a while period thats it... thats the overall concept. You can continue to try to make a point with irrelevant crap. The example that you used is extreme and way over the top lol and FYI if you were listening I did use Rihanna in the arguement and I dont see why I should shit all over Gaga Shakira etc when the arguement is about BEYONCE not them. Also, there not as nearly as overexposed as Beyonce

mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

lol You seem not to comprehend the metaphor at all. I'm not implying you have literally said that I compared MJ and Beyonce. When I said "if you're only going to listen to good music, fine" you obviously took that as judgmental statement, when the sentence started with "if", which is technically a hypothetical statement rather than judgmental. And then you got defensive and came up with questioning the true MJ fan status. Then you kept defending yourself by saying that because I made judgmental statement, you're only trying to do the same. Clearly, you got it all wrong from the beginning.

Again I ask, What is your standard of good music? I'm sorry to let you know this but it's you who's not understanding what I'm saying at all, avoiding my questions and making up excuses. You still haven't accepted the fact that you used overrating as your reason to say she should retire.

NOPE. That is not the statement that I am even speaking about. You were judgemental with my opinion on Beyonce from jumpstreet. This was way back with your initial responce to me and I called you out on it. You insinuated that I relied on critics and other things as far as what I go to for music or in deciding the music that I like and I told you.. you were judgemental for that. So no.. Your orginally and iniated the judgementals assumptions just because you disagreed with me.

I never over reacted or used to that in my opinon. ONCE AGAIN that is all in your head. Last time I checked this is a music forum and I am just as free to speak my mind as you are. You can take my opinon any kind of way you want to take it. So far I have backed my arguement intelligently have not just childishly blurted ridiculous assumptions. Most of everything I said was fact and the only reason why you disagree is because you are a fan. You so caught up in your fandom you will not open your brain to a different view and yes for that I feel sorry for. For one thing, someone who screams and does not sing already is a fail for me. Also, Video Phone... Radio ... etc generic bullshit with crappy lyrics is somthing that is just solely only produced for mass appeal. Dont you understand that? Its not something that is taken seriously which is why I dont take it seriously because it is mostly powered by image and money not with real craft and artistic value which is something that you seem to not comprehend or wish to not comprehend..

You still insist on bringing up the overrated/ retire b.s. once I already cleared up your obvious misunderstanding of it. For the 100th time I stated that I was really refering to her overexposure.. regardless whether you feel she should retire or not.. she should take a break.. she has been non stop since 2003 and it really does not bother me either way, Its not going to stop me neither from giving my opinion on it whether she does or not lol this is a music discussion board

Emancipation89 said:

Sorry, "Beyonce's overexposed so she should retire" does NOT sound mature critic to me. In your head it might sound mature, but it really isn't. I don't mind people get techinical with the music in terms of too much repetition, being heavily based on electric drum, weak vocals, length of melody etc. but clearly, the only statement you have in your mind is "good or bad". Sorry to let you know this but I think my 12 old sister can make more detailed review and come up with reasoning to back it up lol In fact, nothing you have said so far convinced me that you're able to have "mature" conversation about music.

Your responces have been very not open minded to my views and you have shown that you can not handle opposing views on an artist that you like. That is not mature and is not healthy. If you are going to get into future music discussions with people who have different opinons than you then you need to be more open minded and realize that everyone is not going to share the same view or has to. I supported my claims and my arguement with a mature view and with some claims with facts. Im not going to continue to repeat myself with you and Im not going to get technical with Beyonces music because I put it in the same category as Gaga, Bieber etc which is all bubble gum generic pop trash only made and used for mass appeal like I told you before just because Beyonce has showed to have some vocal ability does not excuse her lack luster music.

Emancipation89 said:

Retirement and taking a break are two different things. You're so lost you seem to be talking about things that you don't even know. I don't think you're any different from those kids who say "Justin Bieber should die for making horrible music!" They usually back up their statement with saying because he's making horrible music. Yet I still haven't seen you saying the same "retirement" shit starting on Gaga, Shakira or other artists thread.

Why are you caught up with the different words and the meanings? Ok yes they are different words BUT regardless the OVERALL point is Beyonce should take a break.. now you can sit here and argue that retirement and taking a break is two different things or etc.. she needs to get out of the spotlight for a while period thats it... thats the overall concept. You can continue to try to make a point with irrelevant crap. The example that you used is extreme and way over the top lol and FYI if you were listening I did use Rihanna in the arguement and I dont see why I should shit all over Gaga Shakira etc when the arguement is about BEYONCE not them. Also, there not as nearly as overexposed as Beyonce

Poor thing...Why do you think I even bothered to reply to your comment in the beginning? It's because you went far to say "SHE SHOULD RETIRE". If you meant to say "She should take a break because that will be helpful for her career", you could've said that. Why don't you think before you type?

Guess what, I'm not even a big fan of Beyonce, but I had to keep going back and forth with you because I have never seen anyone who says a bald statement like "she should retire" and then change that statement with made-up excuses. It was quite entertaining. I'm not calling anybody else out here who said her music sounds shit to them. You're the only person with retirement thing. So again, you're claim "Most of everything I said was fact and the only reason why you disagree is because you are a fan. You so caught up in your fandom you will not open your brain to a different view and yes for that I feel sorry for.

Does not make sense at all. Why would I be disagreeing with only you and not others except the singing, vocal ability statement from another person?

Again I'm open with critiques when they make sense. So far you think you backed up your argument intelligently? Give me a break lol All I hear from you is "Good or bad, or, oh yeah, GOOD MUSIC OR CRAP" So far, all I've learned is that you had to change your statement about "Retirement", and also, one of your initial reasoning "overrating". Because you just can't explain details. I think I can definitely see how you judge music now. No need to explain further thanks for trying your best lol

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Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

NOPE. That is not the statement that I am even speaking about. You were judgemental with my opinion on Beyonce from jumpstreet. This was way back with your initial responce to me and I called you out on it. You insinuated that I relied on critics and other things as far as what I go to for music or in deciding the music that I like and I told you.. you were judgemental for that. So no.. Your orginally and iniated the judgementals assumptions just because you disagreed with me.

I never over reacted or used to that in my opinon. ONCE AGAIN that is all in your head. Last time I checked this is a music forum and I am just as free to speak my mind as you are. You can take my opinon any kind of way you want to take it. So far I have backed my arguement intelligently have not just childishly blurted ridiculous assumptions. Most of everything I said was fact and the only reason why you disagree is because you are a fan. You so caught up in your fandom you will not open your brain to a different view and yes for that I feel sorry for. For one thing, someone who screams and does not sing already is a fail for me. Also, Video Phone... Radio ... etc generic bullshit with crappy lyrics is somthing that is just solely only produced for mass appeal. Dont you understand that? Its not something that is taken seriously which is why I dont take it seriously because it is mostly powered by image and money not with real craft and artistic value which is something that you seem to not comprehend or wish to not comprehend..

You still insist on bringing up the overrated/ retire b.s. once I already cleared up your obvious misunderstanding of it. For the 100th time I stated that I was really refering to her overexposure.. regardless whether you feel she should retire or not.. she should take a break.. she has been non stop since 2003 and it really does not bother me either way, Its not going to stop me neither from giving my opinion on it whether she does or not lol this is a music discussion board

Emancipation89 said:

Sorry, "Beyonce's overexposed so she should retire" does NOT sound mature critic to me. In your head it might sound mature, but it really isn't. I don't mind people get techinical with the music in terms of too much repetition, being heavily based on electric drum, weak vocals, length of melody etc. but clearly, the only statement you have in your mind is "good or bad". Sorry to let you know this but I think my 12 old sister can make more detailed review and come up with reasoning to back it up lol In fact, nothing you have said so far convinced me that you're able to have "mature" conversation about music.

Your responces have been very not open minded to my views and you have shown that you can not handle opposing views on an artist that you like. That is not mature and is not healthy. If you are going to get into future music discussions with people who have different opinons than you then you need to be more open minded and realize that everyone is not going to share the same view or has to. I supported my claims and my arguement with a mature view and with some claims with facts. Im not going to continue to repeat myself with you and Im not going to get technical with Beyonces music because I put it in the same category as Gaga, Bieber etc which is all bubble gum generic pop trash only made and used for mass appeal like I told you before just because Beyonce has showed to have some vocal ability does not excuse her lack luster music.

Emancipation89 said:

Retirement and taking a break are two different things. You're so lost you seem to be talking about things that you don't even know. I don't think you're any different from those kids who say "Justin Bieber should die for making horrible music!" They usually back up their statement with saying because he's making horrible music. Yet I still haven't seen you saying the same "retirement" shit starting on Gaga, Shakira or other artists thread.

Why are you caught up with the different words and the meanings? Ok yes they are different words BUT regardless the OVERALL point is Beyonce should take a break.. now you can sit here and argue that retirement and taking a break is two different things or etc.. she needs to get out of the spotlight for a while period thats it... thats the overall concept. You can continue to try to make a point with irrelevant crap. The example that you used is extreme and way over the top lol and FYI if you were listening I did use Rihanna in the arguement and I dont see why I should shit all over Gaga Shakira etc when the arguement is about BEYONCE not them. Also, there not as nearly as overexposed as Beyonce

Poor thing...Why do you think I even bothered to reply to your comment in the beginning? It's because you went far to say "SHE SHOULD RETIRE". If you meant to say "She should take a break because that will be helpful for her career", you could've said that. Why don't you think before you type?

Guess what, I'm not even a big fan of Beyonce, but I had to keep going back and forth with you because I have never seen anyone who says a bald statement like "she should retire" and then change that statement with made-up excuses. It was quite entertaining. I'm not calling anybody else out here who said her music sounds shit to them. You're the only person with retirement thing. So again, you're claim "Most of everything I said was fact and the only reason why you disagree is because you are a fan. You so caught up in your fandom you will not open your brain to a different view and yes for that I feel sorry for.

Does not make sense at all. Why would I be disagreeing with only you and not others except the singing, vocal ability statement from another person?

Again I'm open with critiques when they make sense. So far you think you backed up your argument intelligently? Give me a break lol All I hear from you is "Good or bad, or, oh yeah, GOOD MUSIC OR CRAP" So far, all I've learned is that you had to change your statement about "Retirement", and also, one of your initial reasoning "overrating". Because you just can't explain details. I think I can definitely see how you judge music now. No need to explain further thanks for trying your best lol

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Guess what I do not care if your are a big fan or not but you sure as hell act like it any time you carry on one little comment when there have been plenty of people who have said the same thing she should retire on this forum as well as above and beyond outlandish things... For crying out loud, the comment was satire at best but you get the point.. she needs to break so I do not know why you carried that as to put my whole arguement down.. a bit childish and shows that you have nothing to put down in the arguement so you chose to hold on to something irrelevant... fine by me.. you get the point so I do not know why you think constantly bringing that retirement comment up puts down my point when that really was not the OVERALL point of my post. No.. I dont have to prove or back anything up with Beyonce's music decriptively or in details for the 50 millionth time because the crap music speaks for itself. It holds no value or meaning for it to be critique This is not John lennon or Bob Marly we are talking about. In one word, the music is bullshit music simply made for mass appeal and that is really nuff said. Music means so much more to me especially ARTISTIC well crafted music not just music from out the ass just to sale a dollar.

Yes it was very entertaining. lol You do not know how to old a music discussion because besides this comment there were things on more than one occasion that you were judgemental on and offensive about because you disagreed

mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

Poor thing...Why do you think I even bothered to reply to your comment in the beginning? It's because you went far to say "SHE SHOULD RETIRE". If you meant to say "She should take a break because that will be helpful for her career", you could've said that. Why don't you think before you type?

Guess what, I'm not even a big fan of Beyonce, but I had to keep going back and forth with you because I have never seen anyone who says a bald statement like "she should retire" and then change that statement with made-up excuses. It was quite entertaining. I'm not calling anybody else out here who said her music sounds shit to them. You're the only person with retirement thing. So again, you're claim "Most of everything I said was fact and the only reason why you disagree is because you are a fan. You so caught up in your fandom you will not open your brain to a different view and yes for that I feel sorry for.

Does not make sense at all. Why would I be disagreeing with only you and not others except the singing, vocal ability statement from another person?

Again I'm open with critiques when they make sense. So far you think you backed up your argument intelligently? Give me a break lol All I hear from you is "Good or bad, or, oh yeah, GOOD MUSIC OR CRAP" So far, all I've learned is that you had to change your statement about "Retirement", and also, one of your initial reasoning "overrating". Because you just can't explain details. I think I can definitely see how you judge music now. No need to explain further thanks for trying your best lol

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Guess what I do not care if your are a big fan or not but you sure as hell act like it any time you carry on one little comment when there have been plenty of people who have said the same thing she should retire on this forum as well as above and beyond outlandish things... For crying out loud, the comment was satire at best but you get the point.. she needs to break so I do not know why you carried that as to put my whole arguement down.. a bit childish and shows that you have nothing to put down in the arguement so you chose to hold on to something irrelevant... fine by me.. you get the point so I do not know why you think constantly bringing that retirement comment up puts down my point when that really was not the OVERALL point of my post. No.. I dont have to prove or back anything up with Beyonce's music decriptively or in details for the 50 millionth time because the crap music speaks for itself. It holds no value or meaning for it to be critique This is not John lennon or Bob Marly we are talking about. In one word, the music is bullshit music simply made for mass appeal and that is really nuff said. Music means so much more to me especially ARTISTIC well crafted music not just music from out the ass just to sale a dollar.

Yes it was very entertaining. lol You do not know how to old a music discussion because besides this comment there were things on more than one occasion that you were judgemental on and offensive about because you disagreed

Take a chill pill hun. I just took one too lol Yes I did flip out too much when I saw that whole retirement thing and as I mentioned several times, it's not how you think of her music it's about your "reasonings" of that retirement thing. And about that good music status, yes, I'd say that longer melody, more intruments played, inspiring lyrics and more modulation in one song can be details to consider what's "better music". It is important to acknowledge great musicians. I've never said for once Beyonce was great musician. What's catchy, positive and good for me is good. And I love her voice, That's all. Btw, When was I ever offensive and judgmental besides this comment?

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Oh jeeze Be-YAWN-ce is not worth the energy of going back and forth on view points about her. Just sayin'.

Here's how I feel:

1. I think that Beyoncé's lost her identity. Either that or this is who she's always been, but I (and most of the public) have been hungry for her to be something she's not instead of accepting her for just her. With that being said, homegirl can really sing (check out her doing "1+1" in her dressing room sans mic on YouTube). She's not my favorite artist, but I respect her for doing her thing.
2. I used to be upset about the types of music she does and the image she portrays, but it's her career and if I don't like it, I don't have to listen to it or watch her. I'm not going to waste my time and energy degrading another fellow human being when I could just rise to the challenge and make the music that I'm criticizing her for not making.
3. If Prince is okay with her singing this song, then I have nothing to say. Honestly, nobody can do a Prince song like Prince, but he loves seeing how people interpret his music which is pretty rare in an artist.

That is all. Love & Peace.