Excerpts from NY DAILY NEWS

"The announcement that rapper Eminem was the People's Choice for the best male recording star of the year is a huge win. The award comes as no surprise because the press has been glorifying Eminem for about 2 years now, ever since he stopeed gay-baiting on his records. The elite media will tolerate just about any kind depravity, but denigratig homosexuals is over the line."

"The general acceptance of Eminem may seemtrivial on the surface, but it is not. That's because the "entertainment message" that Eminem puts out could very well induce poverty."

"Eminem and other rappers reject the struggle to succeed, and instead encourages rebellion in the form of antisocial behavior If your girlfriend does you wrong, kick her in the stomach. If your mother gives you a hard time, call her a dirty name. If you want to get high - go right ahead."

"What [rappers are doing] is contributig to the poverty cycle. If they truly wanted to hear from the disenfranchised, they'd put out how-to-succeed books & tapes by poor people who have made it. Teachers ahve written letters saying thier student emulate rappers in speech, dress, and attitude. Thus, we now have 10 year old boys calling girls bitches and 13 year olds with tattoos and body piercings. We have poor children w/out parental guidance selling dope and carrying guns."

"At one time, society and the entertainment industry frowned at that behavior. But now there's gold in the beat of rap music. The hills are alive with the sound of obsenity and violence. If a working-class or poor child rejects school, does not speak properly, shows disrespect to authorities, and does not know that having babies at age 14 is a ticket to ruin, that child's life is tragic."

"Eminem and his corporate masters acre nothing for the legions of confused, aimless youth who embrace he gangsta attitude with a vengence. Sure, we've always had teen rebellion in this country. But now the bar has dropped. Now it's O.K. to rap about abusing women, smoking crack, and solving problems with a gun."

"Eminem may be the People's Choice. But he is harmful to America as any Al Qaeda fanatic. The [press is giving him a free pass and lionizing his "artistry." Meanwhile Americxan kids continue to drown in their ignorance and bitterness."

"In a capitalistic society, the strong and smart prosper, the uneduacted and undisciplined collapse. That's the rhyme and reason Eminem and his enablers are true villains. They sell mind poison and one-way tickets to misery."



Any thoughts?

don't worry about Bill O'Reilly. i hear someone's writing a biography of him that's scathing. he won't be able to eat lunch in this town (or whatever town he's in) again!


i can't wait...

Well, rap artists are not the first to profit from pushing rebellion. Being a rebel, hanging out, smoking and drinking and sneaking around behind your parents' backs has been part of the entertainment scene since the 1950s.

I agree that there are far to many young people who are disrespectful and engage in dangerous behaviors, but all of that can't be blamed on Eminem or on any other rapper.

bill o'reilly is right on point with 99.9% of his commentary. no, he is not politically correct, and he ruffles a lot of feathers. but the basic principles about america that he preaches are sound, and made america the great country that it is.(by our founding fathers). society retreating from those ideals is what causes our problems today.if you are not disabled or handicapped, you have NO!!! excuse for not making a decent living in america.

LSUFAN said:

he's also a hypocrite. you'll see when his bio comes out.

NikkiDarling said:

How do you know what happened in the 50's. It was different. You really had to be there to know. I can't stand it when people pull out that cliche or "Back in the 50's there was rebelion" bullshit when justifying this crap to flourish.

And as a result, those same people don't know what really happens in "the hood".

I know, I'm from LA. I've seen the mean streats, not on TV or MTV or in the MOVIES, I've seen them, known them, not as a gangbanger though, and it's NOT ENTERTAINMENT. Bangbanging and that whole lifestyle, subculture is a social Cancer. It's also very intrenched into the culture of the inner city.

And it's sickening, completely twisted that the Media, the MASS MEDIA has marketed gangsta/gangbanging to the rest of the US and WOrld and to those suburbian kids, middle class and elites.

It's like marketing rapping Al Qaeda's.

And as for the other...wa...person...on here talkin'bout society going "bakc to the morals of our forefathers" well, they aren't my fathers, and what about the American Indians, should they go to their afterfathers? That's another subject, but it just wreaks of complete dillusion of reality.

There are excuses for those who cannot make it in (North) America. Racism, discrimination, apathy towards those in need, veterans short changed, mental illness, THINK about it. It's not like your TV/Movie world!

And there are wealthy handicapped and disabled people too!

Rebellion is good, when you want social change, media change, mental change, corporate change, environmetal change, power change, educational change.

That's the part I disagree with O'Reilly, Rebellion IS good, an occasional rage against the machine does wonders from time to time. Rage causes change, revolutions, positive changes, personal or world changes.


Harlepolis, you go the link?

Bill O' Reilly obviously has no clue what he's talking about. His comments really sound like someone who has throughly researched rap music.

Bill O'Reilly&Eminem are almost like the same person both create enough Buzz so you talk about them but they always have to push that Button.I don't see much difference between these two IMHO.

AKA he doesn't like a high profile white face associated with poverty.

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Because with that face comes a wider, Whiter audience supposedly "emulating" the image & behavior. Wonder if he gave a fuck pre-M&M when it wasn't as widespread?? But I don't know Bill O'R, I suppose I could be wrong...

Who cares what Bill O'Reilly thinks??? He's just another person with another opinion. He just happens to have a nationwide audience when he speaks. But you know what they say about opinions. "They're just like @$$holes, everybody has one"

I'm not defending Bill O'Reilly here, but do you guys really honestly think Eminem is a good role model for youth? You've got to admit that Eminem promotes certain behaviors that would ruin the life of any normal human being.

jtgillia said:

were Eminem purporting himself to be a role model, then O'Reilly might have a point.

So is he not to be judged at all for his actions? Is he above it all because he is the "people's choice"?

That's a very sad choice "the people" have made.

jtgillia said:

Judged, sure. That's fine with me. But what exactly do you want anyone to actually do about it?

Personally, I'd like to see the fucker banned from winning such an award, but maybe that's wrong...He just really gets under my skin, and I truly do think he has, in his own way, damaged society. Yes, he's not alone, but he ain't helping...

jtgillia said:

Government policies have done more to damage society than any entertainer could.

>Government policies have done more to damage society than any entertainer could.<

Kids all over the world like and emulate Eminem. They don't care about government policies. Although you may have a valid point, give me an example of what you mean...

jtgillia said:

Eminem is the effect not the cause. Instead of worrying about an individual music star get your society in check and the production line of Eminems ceases.

The fact Eminem is allowed to "push poverty" should be the issue. It's all down to the record companies after all who market this music. Im sure if Eminem turned to god his record company would be mortified. Sure he is the primary source but Eminem knows in order to sell records and keep his contract he must "live up" to this image. Look at the whole Elton John gay thing. Proof the man doesn't mean all he says.

I personally don't think he will be around much longer as he has left himself with nowhere to go which happens a lot with hip-hop artists who go down the violence/gun path. Yes it will affect some kids which is unfortunate. My sister is 14 and she thinks its now desirable to live in the rough area of town. I doubt whether Eminem influenced her directly but he's sure not telling her it's undesirable. I think its a culture thing in all. If you hang around with people of a certain type and they will see this stuff as appealing and it will reinforce their behaviour. Eminem is just window dressing..

Bill O'Reilly reminds me of Rosie ODonnell...always having an opinion about everything,and talking shit about artists that he doesn't understand.I bet that he has never even listened to an Eminem song!

I'm no real fan of Eminem but I especially hate loud mouthed commentators/talk show hosts who spend all their time bitching about the "evils of society".



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[This message was edited Mon Feb 10 6:05:30 PST 2003 by DavidEye]

jtgillia said:

Eminem's lyrics are blatantly inappropriate when it comes to kids. He says so himself. Of course they said the same thing about Prince.