gunner82 said:

SoulAlive said:

MICHAEL JACKSON 'STATE OF SHOCK' (album release date: February 1985)

State Of Shock with Mick Jagger

Behind The Mask (Who Do You Love)

She's Trouble

Got The Hots

Much Too Soon

Hot Street

Nightline

Be Not Always

Don't Be Messin' Around

Remember This Night

I admit,I never heard the last track (lol) but let's assume it is a nice ballad to close the album.I only heard a snippet of "Don't Be Messin Around" but it has potential.

You have to remove 'Nightline' from this list because The Pointer Sisters would have already released this track by this time [I believe]. But other than that,

someone else also sang it..... her name escapes me at the moment

and She's Trouble was later given to Musical Youth AND Scott Baio

SoulAlive said:

MICHAEL JACKSON 'STATE OF SHOCK' (album release date: February 1985)

State Of Shock with Mick Jagger

Behind The Mask (Who Do You Love)

She's Trouble

Got The Hots

Much Too Soon

Hot Street

Nightline

Be Not Always

Don't Be Messin' Around

Remember This Night

I admit,I never heard the last track (lol) but let's assume it is a nice ballad to close the album.I only heard a snippet of "Don't Be Messin Around" but it has potential.

Had Michael released an album in '85, he and Freddie would've had time to record a full studio version of State Of Shock. The version with Mick would've never happened

I heard the version with Freddie but I think I prefer the Mick Jagger version

WildStyle said:

Wasn't Michael planning to focus on film if he didn't get dragged into the Victory project?

I still think this may be the answer.

SoulAlive said:

I heard the version with Freddie but I think I prefer the Mick Jagger version

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Think of The Jacksons and Queen on one track. KILLER

I like the production on the finished track but I think had Freddie been on it, it would've been better

WildStyle said:

WildStyle said:

Wasn't Michael planning to focus on film if he didn't get dragged into the Victory project?

I still think this may be the answer.

It's a shame the way his family dragged him into the Victory project.He was riding high with 'Thriller' and didn't need his brothers anymore.In 1984,nobody was thinking about the Jackson brothers! I wish he had never done that project.

Speaking of film projects...in the 80s (post-Thriller),I recall hearing about a planned movie called 'MidKnight' in which Michael would play the title character,who was a dancer with special powers.Does anyone remember hearing about this? It's too bad that Michael never really ventured into movies,but I guess his lavish music videos were sorta like mini-movies anyway.

WildStyle said:

WildStyle said:

Wasn't Michael planning to focus on film if he didn't get dragged into the Victory project?

I still think this may be the answer.

He was gonna work on another album (he started working on the album that became Bad in '83), making a broadway show (it's said that Streetwalker was originally for a play he was gonna produce titled "Street Dandy") and films (Captain EO, Peter Pan)

SoulAlive said:

WildStyle said:

I still think this may be the answer.

It's a shame the way his family dragged him into the Victory project.He was riding high with 'Thriller' and didn't need his brothers anymore.In 1984,nobody was thinking about the Jackson brothers! I wish he had never done that project.

Speaking of film projects...in the 80s (post-Thriller),I recall hearing about a planned movie called 'MidKnight' in which Michael would play the title character,who was a dancer with special powers.Does anyone remember hearing about this? It's too bad that Michael never really ventured into movies,but I guess his lavish music videos were sorta like mini-movies anyway.

MidKnight! I remember reading about it when I was REALLY little

My friend who runs the site "The Michael Jackson Archives" has news clippings as far back as 1966. Reading about all the "planned collaborations" and "upcoming projects" is interesting

WildStyle said:

WildStyle said:

Wasn't Michael planning to focus on film if he didn't get dragged into the Victory project?

I still think this may be the answer.

I think I answered that a page back lol but yeah he was trying to get focused on film. Of course the Victory thing distracted him from everything.

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's a shame the way his family dragged him into the Victory project.He was riding high with 'Thriller' and didn't need his brothers anymore.In 1984,nobody was thinking about the Jackson brothers! I wish he had never done that project.

Speaking of film projects...in the 80s (post-Thriller),I recall hearing about a planned movie called 'MidKnight' in which Michael would play the title character,who was a dancer with special powers.Does anyone remember hearing about this? It's too bad that Michael never really ventured into movies,but I guess his lavish music videos were sorta like mini-movies anyway.

MidKnight! I remember reading about it when I was REALLY little

I think it sounded like an interesting project!

SoulAlive said:

bboy87 said:

MidKnight! I remember reading about it when I was REALLY little

I think it sounded like an interesting project!

I think so too

Had certain things not happened (And I'm talking as far back as the Thriller album), things would've been different

I have a soft spot for the Victory Tour because it's obvious his ass wasn't going to tour for Thriller but had it not happen....

1985 and 1986 could've been focused on film and stageplay projects

1987-88 would've been for Bad, no doubt

1989-90 could've been another film project

1991-94 would've been for Dangerous and the Ghosts film. He would've finished the Dangerous tour by doing the dates he had planned for Australia and the US

HIStory would've been released but as a greatest hits album in 1994

another album in '95 or '96........

bboy87 said:

WildStyle said:

I still think this may be the answer.

He was gonna work on another album (he started working on the album that became Bad in '83), making a broadway show (it's said that Streetwalker was originally for a play he was gonna produce titled "Street Dandy") and films (Captain EO, Peter Pan)

that actually would have been amazing, i think. the song kind of makes sense for that.

Nvncible1 said:

I don't think a 1985 record being a good idea. The ONLY WAY i could see it working was if it was a soundtrack for a movie. Im not 100% sure it should be a movie HE was in because people would have been talking about him riding on the tails of PURPLE RAIN. Maybe a soundtrack where half were his songs and the other half were other artists or something.

I still think a EP release in December 1984 would have been a good idea.

Although 1984 was definitely Prince's year, Michael would have still been able to sell millions of copies AND make money off of the holiday season. Releasing 3 singles (1 in December '84, 1 in February '85, 1 in April '85) would have been enough to maintain fans' interest until the release of the Bad album in 1986.

TonyVanDam said:

Nvncible1 said:

I don't think a 1985 record being a good idea. The ONLY WAY i could see it working was if it was a soundtrack for a movie. Im not 100% sure it should be a movie HE was in because people would have been talking about him riding on the tails of PURPLE RAIN. Maybe a soundtrack where half were his songs and the other half were other artists or something.

I still think a EP release in December 1984 would have been a good idea.

Although 1984 was definitely Prince's year, Michael would have still been able to sell millions of copies AND make money off of the holiday season. Releasing 3 singles (1 in December '84, 1 in February '85, 1 in April '85) would have been enough to maintain fans' interest until the release of the Bad album in 1986.

an EP in 1984,huh? to tide fans over until the next album?

I have a similiar idea.Let's assume that 'Victory' never happened and MJ went on a solo tour in 1984 (The 'Thriller" World Tour).In December of that year,he could have released a dazzling 2-LP 'Live' album,with about three or four new studio tracks,"State Of Shock" being one of them.

Michael would never...

I can't see him doing EPs. Hell I doubt anyone was making EPs in the 1980s. Unless they were punk/post-punk artists that is... but it was actually rare for pop artists to release EPs during the '80s so I couldn't see Michael doing half an album.

Timmy84 said:

Michael would never...

I can't see him doing EPs. Hell I doubt anyone was making EPs in the 1980s.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Michael would never...

I can't see him doing EPs. Hell I doubt anyone was making EPs in the 1980s.

Besides those... I know GNR released one...

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Besides those... I know GNR released one...

By today's standards, the first 3 albums by The Time are EPs. Each album only had 6 tracks a piece.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Besides those... I know GNR released one...

By today's standards, the first 3 albums by The Time are EPs. Each album only had 6 tracks a piece.

Right. Like I said, if you did 6 full tracks back then, it wasn't considered an EP hence why I made my "no one was making that many EPs in the '80s".

I agree,EPs were not Michael's style.He always wanted to make a BIG STATEMENT with his music.EPs wouldn't allow him to do that.For him,it was all or nothing

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Besides those... I know GNR released one...

By today's standards, the first 3 albums by The Time are EPs. Each album only had 6 tracks a piece.

The Time's albums were the same length as the average album of the period. It's just that most acts didn't make 10 minute songs then. I remember some 1970's disco and jazz albums had 3 or 4 songs, sometimes 1 song taking up a whole side.

Wasn't Thriller still riding high during 1985 anyway? A new album would have most likely bombed because every one would have been trying to compare it to Thriller

ViintageJunkiie said:

Wasn't Thriller still riding high during 1985 anyway? A new album would have most likely bombed because every one would have been trying to compare it to Thriller

YES! It was still selling some good thousands of copies by 1985. It wouldn't have worked. Again Michael was smart to wait. Hell "Bad" was still selling when Michael was planning "Dangerous".

babybugz said:

He had to fall back because people was getting tired of him surprise that they wasn’t tired when he was with his brothers he was out for a while before thriller.

The Jacksons as a group never really crossed over, and were seen as a R&B group. Back during that time R&B was like some tribe in the jungle to the mainstream public who listened to pop Top 40 (at least in the USA).

ViintageJunkiie said:

Wasn't Thriller still riding high during 1985 anyway? A new album would have most likely bombed because every one would have been trying to compare it to Thriller

I'm checking mjjcharts.com right now

The earliest charting debut they have for Thriller is Christmas 1982 at #11, 3 weeks after the album was released.

It went back to #1 in December 1983, 54 weeks after it's chart debut, and stayed at #1 until March '84. It dropped out of the Top 10 in May '84

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It dropped out of the Billboard 200 at 199 in Fall or Winter '84.....so yeah I think it was still doing well in the beginning of 1985, probably selling a couple thousand copies by February 85

that was the most math I've done in the past couple of days

http://mjjcharts.com/USAMichaelalbumruns.htm

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Wasn't Thriller still riding high during 1985 anyway? A new album would have most likely bombed because every one would have been trying to compare it to Thriller

I'm checking mjjcharts.com right now

The earliest charting debut they have for Thriller is Christmas 1982 at #11, 3 weeks after the album was released.

It went back to #1 in December 1983, 54 weeks after it's chart debut, and stayed at #1 until March '84. It dropped out of the Top 10 in May '84

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It dropped out of the Billboard 200 at 199 in Fall or Winter '84.....so yeah I think it was still doing well in the beginning of 1985, probably selling a couple thousand copies by February 85

that was the most math I've done in the past couple of days

http://mjjcharts.com/USAMichaelalbumruns.htm

If he would have dropped another album at the end of '85, People would have bought it up easily. I gaurantee most of the backlash came from the fact that all the singles were from 'Thriller'. New MJ was [& still is as long as it's really MJ singing] always a good thing....

gunner82 said:

bboy87 said:

I'm checking mjjcharts.com right now

The earliest charting debut they have for Thriller is Christmas 1982 at #11, 3 weeks after the album was released.

It went back to #1 in December 1983, 54 weeks after it's chart debut, and stayed at #1 until March '84. It dropped out of the Top 10 in May '84

e

It dropped out of the Billboard 200 at 199 in Fall or Winter '84.....so yeah I think it was still doing well in the beginning of 1985, probably selling a couple thousand copies by February 85

that was the most math I've done in the past couple of days

http://mjjcharts.com/USAMichaelalbumruns.htm

If he would have dropped another album at the end of '85, People would have bought it up easily. I gaurantee most of the backlash came from the fact that all the singles were from 'Thriller'. New MJ was [& still is as long as it's really MJ singing] always a good thing....

..and the Victory Tour. People basically blamed the promoters and Michael (not the other brothers) for the controversy behind the ticket system. Fans accused him of being selfish and turning his back on his fans

bboy87 said:

gunner82 said:

If he would have dropped another album at the end of '85, People would have bought it up easily. I gaurantee most of the backlash came from the fact that all the singles were from 'Thriller'. New MJ was [& still is as long as it's really MJ singing] always a good thing....

..and the Victory Tour. People basically blamed the promoters and Michael (not the other brothers) for the controversy behind the ticket system. Fans accused him of being selfish and turning his back on his fans

...and ladonna jones was the catalyst which inspired michael to openly critique the system. the wisdom of a child, indeed...

ViintageJunkiie said:

Wasn't Thriller still riding high during 1985 anyway? A new album would have most likely bombed because every one would have been trying to compare it to Thriller

which they did with all the albums after thriller anyways.

MJJstudent said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Wasn't Thriller still riding high during 1985 anyway? A new album would have most likely bombed because every one would have been trying to compare it to Thriller

which they did with all the albums after thriller anyways.

pretty much .. even MJ was trying to break his own record with that album ..