bboy87 said:

SagsWay2low said:

I think the reason why Bad did so well was the wait, honestly.

MJ would not have wanted to drop an album too close to the releases of Purple Rain and Born in the USA---for a brief year there, Prince and Bruce Springsteen reigned supreme, and although an MJ album would have been huge, it wouldn't have been as big as bad.

I remember the buzz around Thriller--it was insane. That album re-energized a slumping record industry. Albums and tapes were becoming hot commodities and gifts again. But a side effect of this is that people were getting burned out on MJ. I mean, Pepsi commercials, overexposure--you name it, folks were getting tired of him. I remember radio stations promoting MJ-free weeks.

5 years was a long time between albums, but I think if he would have dropped something 2 years out, it would have been considered market saturation--if not so much in content, then just by presence.

If you look at articles/reviews for the singles for Thriller by the 5th single, they were saying "Yet ANOTHER single from that album"

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He had to fall back because people was getting tired of him surprise that they wasn’t tired when he was with his brothers he was out for a while before thriller.

it would have been a soundtrack to Captain EO..

and probably and outerspace theme.....

He would have been riding of the thriller success pretty much.

bboy87 said:

SagsWay2low said:

I think the reason why Bad did so well was the wait, honestly.

MJ would not have wanted to drop an album too close to the releases of Purple Rain and Born in the USA---for a brief year there, Prince and Bruce Springsteen reigned supreme, and although an MJ album would have been huge, it wouldn't have been as big as bad.

I remember the buzz around Thriller--it was insane. That album re-energized a slumping record industry. Albums and tapes were becoming hot commodities and gifts again. But a side effect of this is that people were getting burned out on MJ. I mean, Pepsi commercials, overexposure--you name it, folks were getting tired of him. I remember radio stations promoting MJ-free weeks.

5 years was a long time between albums, but I think if he would have dropped something 2 years out, it would have been considered market saturation--if not so much in content, then just by presence.

If you look at articles/reviews for the singles for Thriller by the 5th single, they were saying "Yet ANOTHER single from that album"

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dag... these are funny, because it's TRUE! i remember some of this stuff as well, but that didn't stop everyone from getting all the dolls and still playing the albums...

i for one am glad he waited 5 years... and i'm also glad the album didn't sound like another thriller.

didnt know the was a 1983-1984 overexposure backlash. I thought by mike pretty much staying out of the spotlight after motown 25 before the victory tour saved him from much of that ( when most other artist would have been doing alot of tv like solid gold and american bandstand, etc)

he was letting the music talk for him.

this was a shock to me! lol

SoulAlive said:

bboy87 said:

One of the main reasons why he held off on releasing an album after Thriller was overexposure. Thriller had 3 videos, 7 singles (the eighth was supposed to be The Lady In My Life but got cancelled) and had a couple of collaborations. He was everywhere so and then when Victory hit, there was a bit of backlash. He did We Are The World and Telethon '85 in Australia and then he decided to disappear for awhile, plus Bad was taking a lot longer to make than he and Quincy had thought AND Captain EO was in production

If you look at articles from back then, there's alot saying "Enough already". He didn't even do Live Aid, so he knew he was overexposed by '85

They said the same thing about Prince.By 1985/86,people were saying that Prince is overexposed,he should take a break,he's flooding the market,etc.And of course,Prince experienced a backlash in 1985,although I don't think he really cared (lol).It would have been cool if Michael had that same "I-don't-care" attitude.

Michael could never have a "I-don't-care" attitude. He cared too much about his fans, his music, etc. That's why he was so special. Sometimes I wished that he had more of a "fuck you bitches" attitude.

Nvncible1 said:

didnt know the was a 1983-1984 overexposure backlash. I thought by mike pretty much staying out of the spotlight after motown 25 before the victory tour saved him from much of that ( when most other artist would have been doing alot of tv like solid gold and american bandstand, etc)

he was letting the music talk for him.

this was a shock to me! lol

Considering the singles released and the radio kept playing him so much that around 1984, a Dallas radio station actually had Michael-FREE weekends. That shows you how much some folks were getting sick of him and this was before 1985!

Nvncible1 said:

didnt know the was a 1983-1984 overexposure backlash. I thought by mike pretty much staying out of the spotlight after motown 25 before the victory tour saved him from much of that ( when most other artist would have been doing alot of tv like solid gold and american bandstand, etc)

he was letting the music talk for him.

this was a shock to me! lol

briefly brings in treaty

Yeah although he didn't make a lot of appearances (he did a couple of small interviews and one tv appearance) he was everywhere. He was on the cover of magazines....even when he wasn't really part of the story

Michael Jackson Inc. 1982-1986

Making Michael Jackson's Thriller on VHS, Laserdisc, and Beta

The Victory Tour

Michael Jackson trading card series

Michael Jackson calendars

Michael Jackson doll collection

jackets

t shirts

posters

Pepsi commercials

Michael's Pets toy line

record player

tv specials

badge and pin line

sportwear line

on hundreds of magazine covers

the victory tour

several biographies

then in later years, there was perfume, video games, candy bars, a suit line, soda.....

People would have LOvED new music! They were getting sick of 'Thriller' singles! I'm telling you, if he would have dropped another album in '85, it would have been HUGE!

gunner82 said:

People would have LOvED new music! They were getting sick of 'Thriller' singles! I'm telling you, if he would have dropped another album in '85, it would have been HUGE!

Well that's easy for US to say. We're fans. But from the perspective of MICHAEL... it might've not been a good idea to him...

bboy87 said:

SagsWay2low said:

I think the reason why Bad did so well was the wait, honestly.

MJ would not have wanted to drop an album too close to the releases of Purple Rain and Born in the USA---for a brief year there, Prince and Bruce Springsteen reigned supreme, and although an MJ album would have been huge, it wouldn't have been as big as bad.

I remember the buzz around Thriller--it was insane. That album re-energized a slumping record industry. Albums and tapes were becoming hot commodities and gifts again. But a side effect of this is that people were getting burned out on MJ. I mean, Pepsi commercials, overexposure--you name it, folks were getting tired of him. I remember radio stations promoting MJ-free weeks.

5 years was a long time between albums, but I think if he would have dropped something 2 years out, it would have been considered market saturation--if not so much in content, then just by presence.

If you look at articles/reviews for the singles for Thriller by the 5th single, they were saying "Yet ANOTHER single from that album"

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LOL...this is funny I remember reading something like this about Prince.It was when he released "I Would Die 4 U" as the fourth single from Purple Rain.One critic wrote:

the problem is,the Purple Rain album has already run out of singles,so Warners is simply releasing sub-par 'album tracks',trying to make us believe that it's the real thing.

The critic goes on to trash "I Would Die 4 U".It seems that many critics (moreso than fans) had a problem with any album that has multiple singles on it.

EFF YOUR TREATY BBOY YOU AIN'T BOUT NUTHIN' BUT DISAPPOINTMENT AND OLD WHAM! RECORDS!

I don't think a 1985 record being a good idea. The ONLY WAY i could see it working was if it was a soundtrack for a movie. Im not 100% sure it should be a movie HE was in because people would have been talking about him riding on the tails of PURPLE RAIN. Maybe a soundtrack where half were his songs and the other half were other artists or something.

Nvncible1 said:

EFF YOUR TREATY BBOY YOU AIN'T BOUT NUTHIN' BUT DISAPPOINTMENT AND OLD WHAM! RECORDS!

I don't think a 1985 record being a good idea. The ONLY WAY i could see it working was if it was a soundtrack for a movie. Im not 100% sure it should be a movie HE was in because people would have been talking about him riding on the tails of PURPLE RAIN. Maybe a soundtrack where half were his songs and the other half were other artists or something.

He probably wouldn't have released it anyway because he felt spent in 1985. He was working like a hog that year going in and out of record stores, working on "Captain EO" and shit, then doing "We Are the World" - which he initially didn't wanna do but Q convinced him it would help famine relief in Africa. I think him releasing "Bad" in 1987 was a good idea. I think he was trying to focus on film work in 1984, 1985 but of course he got distracted...

who remembers the statement by MJ & QJ saying they had over 100 songs recorded for Thriller...

where are these songs? This is the only era anyone cares about. I hope that statement wasnt bullshit. Because his "death" album pretty much bombed for a death album.

I hope there was enough thriller era songs to have a full album. Give me 12 songs, im not holding my breath on the so called 100 songs

ElectricBlue said:

who remembers the statement by MJ & QJ saying they had over 100 songs recorded for Thriller...

where are these songs? This is the only era anyone cares about. I hope that statement wasnt bullshit. Because his "death" album pretty much bombed for a death album.

I hope there was enough thriller era songs to have a full album. Give me 12 songs, im not holding my breath on the so called 100 songs

Maybe that's the only era you care about

The songs that didn't make the album

Carousel

Hot Street

She's Trouble

Nightline

Much Too Soon/Learned My Lesson

Behind The Mask

Rolling The Dice

Got The Hots

Who Do You Know

Nymphette Lover

Stand Tall

Don't Be Messin' Around

PYT- original version

She's Not A Girl

Remember This Night

songs that were originally for the ET Storybook project

Heartlight

Make A Wish

for Victory

Just Feel It

There Must Be More To Life than This

Doing Dirty

Victory

Saved By The Bell

The Sky Is The Limit

Fantasy

Far Far Away

Attitude

Had an album or EP dropped in '85 or early 86, it would've looked like this

1. Hot Fever (original version of The Way You Make Me Feel)
2. Tomboy
3. What You Do To Me
4. The Price Of Fame
5. Dirty Diana

6. Smooth Criminal (original with Roger Troutman)

7. Another Part Of Me

8. We Are Here To Change The World

bboy87 said:

Had an album or EP dropped in '85 or early 86, it would've looked like this

1. Hot Fever (original version of The Way You Make Me Feel)
2. Tomboy
3. What You Do To Me
4. The Price Of Fame
5. Dirty Diana

6. Smooth Criminal (original with Roger Troutman)

7. Another Part Of Me

8. We Are Here To Change The World

Mm Hmm!

Don't forget "Come Together" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" AND "Scared of the Moon"

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bboy87 said:

The songs that didn't make the album

Carousel

Hot Street

She's Trouble

Nightline

Much Too Soon/Learned My Lesson

Behind The Mask

Rolling The Dice

Got The Hots

Who Do You Know

Nymphette Lover

Stand Tall

Don't Be Messin' Around

PYT- original version

She's Not A Girl

Remember This Night

songs that were originally for the ET Storybook project

Heartlight

Make A Wish

for Victory

Just Feel It

There Must Be More To Life than This

Doing Dirty

Victory

Saved By The Bell

The Sky Is The Limit

Fantasy

Far Far Away

Attitude

The Neil Diamond song???

ElectricBlue said:

who remembers the statement by MJ & QJ saying they had over 100 songs recorded for Thriller...

where are these songs? This is the only era anyone cares about. I hope that statement wasnt bullshit. Because his "death" album pretty much bombed for a death album.

I hope there was enough thriller era songs to have a full album. Give me 12 songs, im not holding my breath on the so called 100 songs

I would listen to any era MJ track. I'm definitely intertested to hear what he left on the cutting room floor during the "Destiny/Off The Wall/Triumph" era. It has to be some stuff from that period that is absolutely bangin'!!!!!!!!!!!!

ElectricBlue said:

who remembers the statement by MJ & QJ saying they had over 100 songs recorded for Thriller...

where are these songs? This is the only era anyone cares about. I hope that statement wasnt bullshit. Because his "death" album pretty much bombed for a death album.

I hope there was enough thriller era songs to have a full album. Give me 12 songs, im not holding my breath on the so called 100 songs

It wasn't 100, it was actually 800 .. i doubt they recorded 800, but they most likely shuffled through submitted demos .. I would say theres between 10-20 actual records (fully mixed and mastered) that were recorded during the Thriller sessions .. the rest might be grooves or unfinished lyrics recorded

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Nikademus said:

bboy87 said:

The songs that didn't make the album

Carousel

Hot Street

She's Trouble

Nightline

Much Too Soon/Learned My Lesson

Behind The Mask

Rolling The Dice

Got The Hots

Who Do You Know

Nymphette Lover

Stand Tall

Don't Be Messin' Around

PYT- original version

She's Not A Girl

Remember This Night

songs that were originally for the ET Storybook project

Heartlight

Make A Wish

for Victory

Just Feel It

There Must Be More To Life than This

Doing Dirty

Victory

Saved By The Bell

The Sky Is The Limit

Fantasy

Far Far Away

Attitude

The Neil Diamond song???

Apparently, Michael and Buz Kohan wrote a song of the same name for the ET Storybook album

Thriller outtake of the day: "She's Trouble" (recorded in 1982)

bboy87 said:

The songs that didn't make the Thriller album

Carousel

Hot Street

She's Trouble

Nightline

Much Too Soon/Learned My Lesson

Behind The Mask

Rolling The Dice

Got The Hots

Who Do You Know

Nymphette Lover

Stand Tall

Don't Be Messin' Around

PYT- original version

She's Not A Girl

Remember This Night

Considering he had so many songs already recorded,he could have easily released a new album in 1985,using some of those songs.Add "State Of Shock" and "Be Not Always" to the tracklist and it would have been a great album.I'm gonna go on Youtube to listen to some of those songs,and try to come up with a perfect tracklist for a 1985 album Let's assume that 'Victory' never happened.

MICHAEL JACKSON 'STATE OF SHOCK' (album release date: February 1985)

State Of Shock with Mick Jagger

Behind The Mask (Who Do You Love)

Remember This Night

I admit,I never heard the last track (lol) but let's assume it is a nice ballad to close the album.I only heard a snippet of "Don't Be Messin Around" but it has potential.

^^singles: "State Of Shock","Behind The Mask","She's Trouble" and "Much Too Soon".

Nyphette Lover

I HAVE to know what that one is about

paisleypark4 said:

Nyphette Lover

I HAVE to know what that one is about

yeah,I wanna hear that one

SoulAlive said:

MICHAEL JACKSON 'STATE OF SHOCK' (album release date: February 1985)

State Of Shock with Mick Jagger

Behind The Mask (Who Do You Love)

She's Trouble

Got The Hots

Much Too Soon

Hot Street

Nightline

Be Not Always

Don't Be Messin' Around

Remember This Night

I admit,I never heard the last track (lol) but let's assume it is a nice ballad to close the album.I only heard a snippet of "Don't Be Messin Around" but it has potential.

You have to remove 'Nightline' from this list because The Pointer Sisters would have already released this track by this time [I believe]. But other than that,