MJJstudent said:

MickyDolenz said:

If Michael Jackson hadn't went to CBS, would you be talking about him now? Had they remained on Motown, the J5 would just be an oldies group. You see that Motown didn't really do anything with Jermaine's records, (and he was Gordy's son-in-law). That's probably why he was doing A&R work at the label. If they really pushed his stuff, would he have found Switch/DeBarge?

probably not... and that's perfectly okay. people who know me well enough know i prefer michael outside of 'song and dance'.

i truly think he would have found his way of teaching the world in other ways. i truly think he shined mostly outside of music, doing his active-ist work. i wish that was emphasized more than it is.

Without Thriller, Mike wouldn't have been in the same financial situation, so you can't say he would have done this. He wouldn't have worked with Paul McCartney, who is indirectly responsible for Neverland and the ATV catalogue purchase. Although, Mike couldn't have afforded it anyway.

music was a catalyst through that work; but i think he would have made it in some other art, if not music. perhaps film...

and even if he didn't do the arts, i think he would have utilized his virgo healing nature, even if it was in his neighborhood or local community. he mentioned something to this affect at the age of 5.

I've never followed astrology, so don't know what this means.

MickyDolenz said:

Without Thriller, Mike wouldn't have been in the same financial situation, so you can't say he would have done this. He wouldn't have worked with Paul McCartney, who is indirectly responsible for Neverland and the ATV catalogue purchase. Although, Mike couldn't have afforded it anyway.

Wat?!

MickyDolenz said:

MJJstudent said:

probably not... and that's perfectly okay. people who know me well enough know i prefer michael outside of 'song and dance'.

i truly think he would have found his way of teaching the world in other ways. i truly think he shined mostly outside of music, doing his active-ist work. i wish that was emphasized more than it is.

Without Thriller, Mike wouldn't have been in the same financial situation, so you can't say he would have done this. He wouldn't have worked with Paul McCartney, who is indirectly responsible for Neverland and the ATV catalogue purchase. Although, Mike couldn't have afforded it anyway.

music was a catalyst through that work; but i think he would have made it in some other art, if not music. perhaps film...

and even if he didn't do the arts, i think he would have utilized his virgo healing nature, even if it was in his neighborhood or local community. he mentioned something to this affect at the age of 5.

I've never followed astrology, so don't know what this means.

Well technically they did work together around '79 but inadvertently with "Girlfriend" so I wouldn't go that far.

Unholyalliance said:

MickyDolenz said:

Without Thriller, Mike wouldn't have been in the same financial situation, so you can't say he would have done this. He wouldn't have worked with Paul McCartney, who is indirectly responsible for Neverland and the ATV catalogue purchase. Although, Mike couldn't have afforded it anyway.

Wat?!

What do you mean? We were talking about if the brothers had remained on Motown, and not signed with Epic.

Timmy84 said:

Well technically they did work together around '79 but inadvertently with "Girlfriend" so I wouldn't go that far.

But that happened at Epic, and was partly Quincy Jones doing. Would that have happened if the brothers stayed on Motown? We were talking about the J5 staying on Motown.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Well technically they did work together around '79 but inadvertently with "Girlfriend" so I wouldn't go that far.

But that happened at Epic, and was partly Quincy Jones doing. Would that have happened if the brothers stayed on Motown? We were talking about the J5 staying on Motown.

Oh OK. I get it now.

I do think if Michael started later on that off the wall still would have happen but not thriller for some reason and also he would have had a childhood , he most likely would have been looked at as just another 80’s R&B act. I think Michael could have ended his career after thriller but he loved singing. I just felt the pressure became too much for him after thriller.

babybugz said:

I do think if Michael started later on that off the wall still would have happen but not thriller for some reason and also he would have had a childhood , he most likely would have been looked at as just another 80’s R&B act. I think Michael could have ended his career after thriller but he loved singing. I just felt the pressure became too much for him after thriller.

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babybugz said:

I do think if Michael started later on that off the wall still would have happen but not thriller for some reason and also he would have had a childhood , he most likely would have been looked at as just another 80’s R&B act. I think Michael could have ended his career after thriller but he loved singing. I just felt the pressure became too much for him after thriller.

Not likely, because the J5 most likely wouldn't have been on Motown, and so Berry Gordy wouldn't have put Mike in The Wiz. So he wouldn't have worked with Quincy Jones, who supervised the soundtrack, and Mike couldn't have asked him to do an album. Depending on what label Mike might have been on, it (record label) might not have been able to afford Quincy.

MickyDolenz said:

babybugz said:

I do think if Michael started later on that off the wall still would have happen but not thriller for some reason and also he would have had a childhood , he most likely would have been looked at as just another 80’s R&B act. I think Michael could have ended his career after thriller but he loved singing. I just felt the pressure became too much for him after thriller.

Not likely, because the J5 most likely wouldn't have been on Motown, and so Berry Gordy wouldn't have put Mike in The Wiz. So he wouldn't have worked with Quincy Jones, who supervised the soundtrack, and Mike couldn't have asked him to do an album. Depending on what label Mike might have been on, it (record label) might not have been able to afford Quincy.

I disagree with the Motown thing and we wouldn’t know Michael’s circles at that time he still could have done something with Quincy. I know he definitely would have went out on his own like he did with off the wall even though he still was with the jacksons but I still think off the wall would have happened or something similar.

babybugz said:

MickyDolenz said:

Not likely, because the J5 most likely wouldn't have been on Motown, and so Berry Gordy wouldn't have put Mike in The Wiz. So he wouldn't have worked with Quincy Jones, who supervised the soundtrack, and Mike couldn't have asked him to do an album. Depending on what label Mike might have been on, it (record label) might not have been able to afford Quincy.

I disagree with the Motown thing and we wouldn’t know Michael’s circles at that time he still could have done something with Quincy. I know he definitely would have went out on his own like he did with off the wall even though he still was with the jacksons but I still think off the wall would have happened or something similar.

That doesn't mean that it would be successful. Members of The Sylvers, The Rolling Stones, Pointer Sisters, The Osmonds, and other groups released solo records, but didn't have much success with it. There's very few acts who had success with solo projects while still doing the main group. Such as New Edition & Genesis.

MickyDolenz said:

babybugz said:

I disagree with the Motown thing and we wouldn’t know Michael’s circles at that time he still could have done something with Quincy. I know he definitely would have went out on his own like he did with off the wall even though he still was with the jacksons but I still think off the wall would have happened or something similar.

That doesn't mean that it would be successful. Members of The Sylvers, The Rolling Stones, Pointer Sisters, The Osmonds, and other groups released solo records, but didn't have much success with it. There's very few acts who had success with solo projects while still doing the main group. Such as New Edition & Genesis.

I didn’t say that I said he would have eventually went out on his own and made a album is what I’m saying. I said earlier in the post that he could have been just another 80's R&B act at the end of the day.

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In Motown, you couldn't leave the group for a solo career unless it was to hype the interest in the group and continue it as a brand. The reason the Jackson 5 got away with doing solo projects was because they were a brand after 1970. Other groups didn't have that luxury. Eddie Kendricks wanted to go solo as far back as 1965 but wasn't allowed to.

Timmy84 said:

In Motown, you couldn't leave the group for a solo career unless it was to hype the interest in the group and continue it as a brand. The reason the Jackson 5 got away with doing solo projects was because they were a brand after 1970. Other groups didn't have that luxury. Eddie Kendricks wanted to go solo as far back as 1965 but wasn't allowed to.

Good point I feel either way Michael would have went solo would it have been successful we don’t know .

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

In Motown, you couldn't leave the group for a solo career unless it was to hype the interest in the group and continue it as a brand. The reason the Jackson 5 got away with doing solo projects was because they were a brand after 1970. Other groups didn't have that luxury. Eddie Kendricks wanted to go solo as far back as 1965 but wasn't allowed to.

Good point I feel either way Michael would have went solo would it have been successful we don’t know .

Yeah who knows... like I said maybe it was fate his career turned out the way it did.

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

You fool.

What is with people trying to get my threads locked? Is someone jealous or something? I'm not saying every thread I've started is the greatest, BUT DAMN, this is like the third one I'm seeing locks on.....

reported thread.

Please use the MJ sticky, thanks.