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I guess when it comes to song quality, writing and the whole musical aspect of it, Paul definitely exceeded John in those aspects. John's talent was in riling folks and for carrying a message with his songs but Paul McCartney he wasn't.

John wrote better lyrics, Paul is a better musician.

I'll say this though between RAM, Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass, these albums increased their greatness in the eyes of the public. Ringo did it mainly through great session work, he had a few good songs though.

Timmy84 said:

I'll say this though between RAM, Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass, these albums increased their greatness in the eyes of the public. Ringo did it mainly through great session work, he had a few good songs though.

Agreed. I sometimes wonder how the group dynamic may have been if they gave George a more active role in the song writing. A lot of the material from ATMP had been material that John and Paul rejected.

I wish that they had taken the Pink Floyd rout from Umma Gumma (sp) and each member call the shots on their side of the album. 4 members; 2 albums = 1 side per member. it might've worked.

mrpunkfunk said:

Timmy84 said:

I'll say this though between RAM, Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass, these albums increased their greatness in the eyes of the public. Ringo did it mainly through great session work, he had a few good songs though.

Agreed. I sometimes wonder how the group dynamic may have been if they gave George a more active role in the song writing. A lot of the material from ATMP had been material that John and Paul rejected.

I wish that they had taken the Pink Floyd rout from Umma Gumma (sp) and each member call the shots on their side of the album. 4 members; 2 albums = 1 side per member. it might've worked.

I always wondered how much help George got with his songs. Maybe I'm wrong but I always felt that John and/or Paul contributed to most of George's Beatles era songs. That's not to say that they were writing them 50-50 with him but I think they helped to polish them a bit.

I don't think that George was ever as prolific as John and Paul and I don't think he was capable of writing enough quality songs to compete with them. I certainly have no desire to hear more songs like "Love You To," "Within You Without You," "Blue Jay Way," "Only a Northen Song" and "The Inner Light."

I like some of George's songs quite a bit but I think the fact is that he just wasn't as good of a songwriter as John and Paul. I think if you look at his solo career and how sporadically he released albums it kind of proves my point.

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Timmy84 said:

I'll say this though between RAM, Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass, these albums increased their greatness in the eyes of the public. Ringo did it mainly through great session work, he had a few good songs though.

...and it's worth noting that a couple of Ringo's biggest hits were co-written by George.

I never realized how good looking Paul McCartney was until this thread.

SagsWay2low said:

I never realized how good looking Paul McCartney was until this thread.

Well they called him "The Cute One" for a reason.

SagsWay2low said:

I never realized how good looking Paul McCartney was...

John Lennon certainly did. He made a mocking reference to Paul's handsomeness in the lyrics to "How Do You Sleep" ("A pretty face may last a year or two, but pretty soon they'll see what you can do".)

^poor john, even that didnt come out true. Even at his age Paul is still helluva cutie.

they basically needed each other...

babybugz said:

Who did you prefer overall solo etc..?

Paul. Better vocals and better instrumentals; actually a better songwriter.

John was overrated as an artist IMO. I think people took his political activism and philanthropy and extrapolated that to mean he was a musical genius.

rialb said:

They are both probably my two favourites of his but I think they may be a bit too lowkey and homespun. I guess that was kind of the point but they really do sound like demos and probably would have benefited from more professional production.

Oh no, no, no! That is totally part of the charm. He was finally free and on songs like "Monkberry Moon Delight" and "Smile Away" you can tell how free and happy he felt. More production would have ruined the albums. Maybe not ruined, but I do not think they would have captured the mood.

They were (are) both musically great, both capable of being sweet, harsh, nostalgic, imaginative, retro or heavy. Both capable of the most blindingly beautiful melodies. John could be stereotyped as more of an affinity towards the surreal or sarcastic (besides the obviously political or self reflective). Paul could be stereotyped as more rooted in childlike melody and grand suite-like construction (and loved narratives). But in the end, Paul certainly put out a lot more stuff through the years. I really wonder what great songs John would have gone on to do if someone hadn't murdered him.

I suspect Prince would have collaborated or appeared with with John Lennon.

But Paul McCartney is a HUGE Prince fan.

It was such a great moment for Beatle/Prince fans when Prince did the Harrison tribute performance as part of a super group.

I love this song and video:

lazycrockett said:

^poor john, even that didnt come out true. Even at his age Paul is still helluva cutie.

Agreed.

I like The Man best out of the songs Paul did with Mike.

Timmy84 said:

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I guess when it comes to song quality, writing and the whole musical aspect of it, Paul definitely exceeded John in those aspects. John's talent was in riling folks and for carrying a message with his songs but Paul McCartney he wasn't.

I love your contributions to this thread now this cute ass paul gif keep it coming

ufoclub said:

I suspect Prince would have collaborated or appeared with with John Lennon.

That would have been interesting but I do not believe that they ever would have worked together in any meaningful way. I think there would have been a pretty big personality/ego clash between them.

Prince and John Lennon would've been a disaster waiting to happen.

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rialb said:

ufoclub said:

I suspect Prince would have collaborated or appeared with with John Lennon.

That would have been interesting but I do not believe that they ever would have worked together in any meaningful way. I think there would have been a pretty big personality/ego clash between them.

If Prince had collaborated with Lennon around the Controversy period, it might have led to something interesting. Lennon would laugh at the Prince of today, who thinks that he has all the answers and he found them in a book. Just listen to "Serve Yourself," which was Lennon's reaction to Bob Dylan's conversion to born-again Christianity.

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electricberet said:

rialb said:

That would have been interesting but I do not believe that they ever would have worked together in any meaningful way. I think there would have been a pretty big personality/ego clash between them.

If Prince had collaborated with Lennon around the Controversy period, it might have led to something interesting. Lennon would laugh at the Prince of today, who thinks that he has all the answers and he found them in a book. Just listen to "Serve Yourself," which was Lennon's reaction to Bob Dylan's conversion to born-again Christianity.

I don't think it could have worked but assuming that it did it could have been interesting. John could have used Prince as a one man band and it certainly would have given John a fresh sound.

rialb said:

electricberet said:

If Prince had collaborated with Lennon around the Controversy period, it might have led to something interesting. Lennon would laugh at the Prince of today, who thinks that he has all the answers and he found them in a book. Just listen to "Serve Yourself," which was Lennon's reaction to Bob Dylan's conversion to born-again Christianity.

I don't think it could have worked but assuming that it did it could have been interesting. John could have used Prince as a one man band and it certainly would have given John a fresh sound.

John also expressed interest in doing more producing for other artists before he went into his self-imposed retirement. I can't see him co-writing songs with Prince, but he might have had some interesting suggestions if he had been in the studio.

electricberet said:

rialb said:

I don't think it could have worked but assuming that it did it could have been interesting. John could have used Prince as a one man band and it certainly would have given John a fresh sound.

John also expressed interest in doing more producing for other artists before he went into his self-imposed retirement. I can't see him co-writing songs with Prince, but he might have had some interesting suggestions if he had been in the studio.

It might be the same as Prince collaborating with Stevie Nicks or Stevie Wonder or David Bowie collaborating with John Lennon. At worst it would be like his album project with Bonnie Raitt. Shelved over creative differences.

Or like the onstage appearance with Elton John.

I think Lennon would be the type to seek out Prince.

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ufoclub said:

electricberet said:

John also expressed interest in doing more producing for other artists before he went into his self-imposed retirement. I can't see him co-writing songs with Prince, but he might have had some interesting suggestions if he had been in the studio.

It might be the same as Prince collaborating with Stevie Nicks or Stevie Wonder of David Bowie and John Lennon. At worst it would be like his album project with Bonnie Raitt. Shelved over creative differences.

Or like the onstage appearance with Elton John.

I think Lennon would be the type to seek out Prince.

Lennon was very interested in new music right before he died. Hearing the B-52s inspired him to get back into the studio with Yoko. Who knows, maybe Lennon heard "Uptown" on the radio at some point and liked it.