sosgemini said:

I don't like Whitney nor do I like Heavy Metal, New Age or care to listen to classical tunes (yet, with age anything is possible). However, I would never dismiss others musical taste or be so arrogant enough to declare that the sole purpose of music is to "move ones ass". It's cute rhetoric and makes for humorous posts here on the org but it's too elementary to take seriously.

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I agree wholeheartedly with this statement (at least its sentiment....I quite enjoy some heavy metal, new age, and classical music). Music has so many purposes and intents, that to say "only funky music is worthwhile" is small-minded and ignorant. And also, it must be remembered that just because a song is good (aka well written, produced, and performed) doesn't mean I (or anyone) will like it. And vice versa. So Whitney Houston is not my cup of tea, but there were some great songs written for and sung by her.

If all music did was shake one's ass, that would be terribly boring. And we wouldn't have beautiful songs like:

=0P

Timmy84 said:

Of course here's the original:

I'll admit to always liking Shoot Em Up Movies. With a title like that how could you

not like it. To me, it just had that old 70's Stlylistics-The Moments type flavor to it but

i wanted to piss on that damn Two Occasions all day long. Never cared for that song.

All the Deele songs that i do have are the ones from their debut album, Material Thangz,

and Shoot Em Up Movies. Everything else is just meh. I guess after the Calloway boys

and others producers from the Solar camp got tied up with other projects following the

Deele's first album and forced the Deele to produce their own stuff, it just wasn't the

same magic after the first album.

vainandy said:

minneapolisFunq said:

That The Deele album had a couple of jams on it though.

Yes it did. "Can U Dance" and "Hip Chic" were great.

I have the Can U Dance 45. It's alright but still don't bang like the first album or

Material Thangz.

vainandy said:

JoeTyler said:

well, she was a nasty crackhead in the late-90s/early-00s

punishment???

Damn right. When she got booed at the "Soul Train" awards, she figured she would change her image, get on crack, get with Rick James and make some funk. However, Rick was on his way to prison so she got with Bobby Brown instead. Things didn't work out though because he couldn't put no funk in her either. He's the one that ended up getting burned though because she burned all the funk out of him.

She finally got her chance to be funky though. In the 2000s when she was sharing an apartment with Cherrelle, smoking crack, and stayed in her bedroom for days using an unwashed vibrator for days and weeks at a time. She was so funky the alley cats were lined up outside her bedroom door.

You are a sick lil puppy.

You need some professional help.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

Yes it did. "Can U Dance" and "Hip Chic" were great.

I have the Can U Dance 45. It's alright but still don't bang like the first album or

Material Thangz.

I have the 12 inch.

I actually think the dance oriented tracks on Eyes Of A Stranger are slightly better than the ones on Material Thangz. I just love that digital synth riff on Can U Dance, it creates a nice bouncy groove.

Suspicious and Lets Work Tonight are the joints though.

sosgemini said:

I don't like Whitney nor do I like Heavy Metal, New Age or care to listen to classical tunes (yet, with age anything is possible). However, I would never dismiss others musical taste or be so arrogant enough to declare that the sole purpose of music is to "move ones ass". It's cute rhetoric and makes for humorous posts here on the org but it's too elementary to take seriously.

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phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

Yes it did. "Can U Dance" and "Hip Chic" were great.

I have the Can U Dance 45. It's alright but still don't bang like the first album or

Material Thangz.

I like "Body Talk" better than anything they ever made.

vainandy said:

sosgemini said:

I don't like Whitney nor do I like Heavy Metal, New Age or care to listen to classical tunes (yet, with age anything is possible). However, I would never dismiss others musical taste or be so arrogant enough to declare that the sole purpose of music is to "move ones ass". It's cute rhetoric and makes for humorous posts here on the org but it's too elementary to take seriously.

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A life lesson I learned many years ago is to strive to achieve greater than the now. Keep on laughing and being stuck on a broken record that economically and culturally is stuck in the 70's. You dish your personal dirt on this website as if they are something to be proud of---blindly ignoring,well, reality.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

Yes it did. "Can U Dance" and "Hip Chic" were great.

I have the Can U Dance 45. It's alright but still don't bang like the first album or

Material Thangz.

I was disappointed with the uptempo songs on that album.Songs like "Can U Dance" and "Hip Chick" sounded stale and outdated by 1987."So Many Thangz" is a decent groove,though.

It seems like,by the time that album was released,LA and Babyface were giving their best uptempo jams to other artists ("RockSteady" by the Whispers,for example).

sosgemini said:

vainandy said:

A life lesson I learned many years ago is to strive to achieve greater than the now. Keep on laughing and being stuck on a broken record that economically and culturally is stuck in the 70's. You dish your personal dirt on this website as if they are something to be proud of---blindly ignoring,well, reality.

sosgemini said:

vainandy said:

A life lesson I learned many years ago is to strive to achieve greater than the now. Keep on laughing and being stuck on a broken record that economically and culturally is stuck in the 70's. You dish your personal dirt on this website as if they are something to be proud of---blindly ignoring,well, reality.

I, again, am right there with you. I have always vowed to myself never to be one of those "music used to be better back in the day" people. Every era has great music and shit. It is no different now...there's just MORE out there, period. I love me some early/mid 90s music cuz I grew up on it...but I would never paint myself in the box of ONLY listening to that.

In fact, most of my favorite artists (including Prince) I only exposed myself to in the last 10 years. Had I not looked outside my box, I wouldn't know any of them.

=0P

vainandy said:

sosgemini said:

A life lesson I learned many years ago is to strive to achieve greater than the now. Keep on laughing and being stuck on a broken record that economically and culturally is stuck in the 70's. You dish your personal dirt on this website as if they are something to be proud of---blindly ignoring,well, reality.

vainandy said:

sosgemini said:

A life lesson I learned many years ago is to strive to achieve greater than the now. Keep on laughing and being stuck on a broken record that economically and culturally is stuck in the 70's. You dish your personal dirt on this website as if they are something to be proud of---blindly ignoring,well, reality.

If only you were as funny and interesting as Eddie in his hay-day. There's a running joke amongst my innercircle that if they ever find me a gray haired old man in a leisure suit sitting at a gay bar, drunkinly bragging about the good old times---to just shoot me. Well, congrats!!! You are living proof that said stereotypes exist. Self awareness is a beautiful virtue that should never be ignored.

Jokes deflecting your reality doesnt change a thing.

TonyVanDam said:

scriptgirl said:

Andy is right. That is one of the worst songs ever

Babyface's Whip Appeal was far worse than The Deele's Two Occasions.

YES!!! when everyone around me was jamming to that song, i was just scratching my head and rolling my eyes. i think babyface is one of the most boring writer/producers ever!

i like a few tracks he did, i don't like toni braxton either (grrrrrrrr...) but i do like that one song they did together, 'give you my heart' (even though i HATE new jack AND babyface with a passion)... and i like 'seven whole days'. that's about it.

i actually do like michael's 'you are my life'. but i think usually(...) michael takes a crappy songwriter (like babyface or robert kelly) and improves upon what they do.

but the deele was awesome!!! what happened?

maaaaaan... i don't care what anybody says... whitney houston may not be one of my favourite artists of all times, but she holds a soft place in my heart. songs like 'didn't we almost have it all' make me cry... and i do like 'it's not right, but it's okay' or whatever it's called.

i happen to be a big fan of sap, of michael masser arrangements and all that, so some of what she (and diana ross) did- it's right up my alley. interestingly, i hate burt bacharach compositions... very few people can cover it with the sort of intensity i love.

when (black) people critiqued ms. houston for being 'too white', i think we shot ourselves in the feet... we limit ourselves to our creative experiences... there's a place for everything artistically, as long as the intent is in love or positivity. and when ms. houston made the decision to cater to our limitations as black people, her art suffered, more or less. the last album she put out was horrendous. it just sounded like any one of these young artists making music today. it's as if popular music is only targeted to teenagers again, just like the '50s and early '60s. i liked in the late 60s and 70s, when music was released for all generations, from frank zappa to STEVIE WONDER to sly and the family stone to james taylor...

there's always gonna be some good artists in every generation. but since this thread is about ms. houston, i'm stating my views on her. i am not ashamed to say she carries a soft place in my heart.

Timmy84 said:

Of course here's the original:

man... i always liked this song!

MJJstudent said:

maaaaaan... i don't care what anybody says... whitney houston may not be one of my favourite artists of all times, but she holds a soft place in my heart. songs like 'didn't we almost have it all' make me cry... and i do like 'it's not right, but it's okay' or whatever it's called.

i happen to be a big fan of sap, of michael masser arrangements and all that, so some of what she (and diana ross) did- it's right up my alley. interestingly, i hate burt bacharach compositions... very few people can cover it with the sort of intensity i love.

when (black) people critiqued ms. houston for being 'too white', i think we shot ourselves in the feet... we limit ourselves to our creative experiences... there's a place for everything artistically, as long as the intent is in love or positivity. and when ms. houston made the decision to cater to our limitations as black people, her art suffered, more or less. the last album she put out was horrendous. it just sounded like any one of these young artists making music today. it's as if popular music is only targeted to teenagers again, just like the '50s and early '60s. i liked in the late 60s and 70s, when music was released for all generations, from frank zappa to STEVIE WONDER to sly and the family stone to james taylor...

there's always gonna be some good artists in every generation. but since this thread is about ms. houston, i'm stating my views on her. i am not ashamed to say she carries a soft place in my heart.

You know what was so weird about that period Whitney got popular... black folks were more "Afrocentric" than they were in the '70s. I actually think her peak period was 1985-1986. I still love "All At Once" to this day so some of her songs I did grow up loving. Not gonna lie, those songs have a purpose. But I still don't like what Clive did in singling her out from everyone else who had just as much of a potential as Whitney.

sosgemini said:

vainandy said:

If only you were as funny and interesting as Eddie in his hay-day. There's a running joke amongst my innercircle that if they ever find me a gray haired old man in a leisure suit sitting at a gay bar, drunkinly bragging about the good old times---to just shoot me. Well, congrats!!! You are living proof that said stereotypes exist. Self awareness is a beautiful virtue that should never be ignored.

Jokes deflecting your reality doesnt change a thing.

My gay bar days have been over for years because I'm too young for what they've become. If I want to listen to a bunch of slow dull stuff, I'll just go to an opera instead. It's not my fault if the younger generation has gone backwards into time and now has the taste of a bunch of senior citizens so while you're accusing someone of being old, just look in the mirror. I may have the age of someone older but you have the tastes of someone older. And as for me being funny or interesting enough these days, well apparently I am since I keep attracting your ass to my posts. You can save your little "everybody holding hands and singing Kumbaya" act for people that don't know any better.

Now run along and bitch about how the MJ Stickies are being handled these days that you originally agreed needed to be set up but now want to sit back and criticize now that you're no longer a moderator. Like I said before, save your little Kumbaya act for those that don't know any better.

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MJJstudent said:

Timmy84 said:

Of course here's the original:

man... i always liked this song!

me too btw,this song was written by Kenny Nolan,the same guy who wrote "Lady Marmalade" for LaBelle in the 70s and "Masterpiece" for Atlantic Starr in the 90s..He also had his own solo hit "I Like Dreamin" in 1977.

Talking loud and saying nothing.

Uh huh....that's what I thought.

Good lord another Whitney bashing thread? At one point in time she had a great voice and found an genuine muscial bond with her fans. Sold millions of albums and gave a lot a people joy hearing her sing. If she does nothing else as long as she is alive, she has accomplished more than enough. So now if she wants to sit in a corner and smoke crack all day so be it..She has earned the right.

legendofnothing said:

Good lord another Whitney bashing thread? At one point in time she had a great voice and found an genuine muscial bond with her fans. Sold millions of albums and gave a lot a people joy hearing her sing. If she does nothing else as long as she is alive, she has accomplished more than enough. So now if she wants to sit in a corner and smoke crack all day so be it..She has earned the right.

You can say that again!

Timmy84 said:

MJJstudent said:

maaaaaan... i don't care what anybody says... whitney houston may not be one of my favourite artists of all times, but she holds a soft place in my heart. songs like 'didn't we almost have it all' make me cry... and i do like 'it's not right, but it's okay' or whatever it's called.

i happen to be a big fan of sap, of michael masser arrangements and all that, so some of what she (and diana ross) did- it's right up my alley. interestingly, i hate burt bacharach compositions... very few people can cover it with the sort of intensity i love.

when (black) people critiqued ms. houston for being 'too white', i think we shot ourselves in the feet... we limit ourselves to our creative experiences... there's a place for everything artistically, as long as the intent is in love or positivity. and when ms. houston made the decision to cater to our limitations as black people, her art suffered, more or less. the last album she put out was horrendous. it just sounded like any one of these young artists making music today. it's as if popular music is only targeted to teenagers again, just like the '50s and early '60s. i liked in the late 60s and 70s, when music was released for all generations, from frank zappa to STEVIE WONDER to sly and the family stone to james taylor...

there's always gonna be some good artists in every generation. but since this thread is about ms. houston, i'm stating my views on her. i am not ashamed to say she carries a soft place in my heart.

You know what was so weird about that period Whitney got popular... black folks were more "Afrocentric" than they were in the '70s. I actually think her peak period was 1985-1986. I still love "All At Once" to this day so some of her songs I did grow up loving. Not gonna lie, those songs have a purpose. But I still don't like what Clive did in singling her out from everyone else who had just as much of a potential as Whitney.

i definitely agree with you there.

Timmy84 said:

MF DOOM and Camp Lo had songs that sampled "Shoot 'Em Up Movies". I don't think that was a bad song though. Much better than "Two Occasions".

Musicslave said:

SoulAlive said:

now wait a minute,guys....."Shoot Em Up Movies" is an excellent song! I think of it as a throwback to early 70s soul....the type of sound heard by groups like Blue Magic,the Intruders,The Delfonics,The Stylistics,etc.

I hear that influence in its sound but the song itself was always mad corny to me. Come on man, you know that song is super soft. Lyrically its softer than a marshmellow.

I think it's a nice love song

Part of this thread is just a silly mess

About Whitney, I don't love all her songs, but I do like some of them. As someone who was born right around the time she hit the big scene, I grew up without hearing funk on the radio. Since one of my older cousins took all my parent's older records (that's another story ) I basically had to look it up myself these past couple years on the internet I don't have a problem with Whitney or her type of music, but I would like to see funk come back as well. I just don't understand why both types of music can't exist. Why does it have to be 1 or the other?

and don't get me started on Clive Davis

mimi2 said:

Part of this thread is just a silly mess

About Whitney, I don't love all her songs, but I do like some of them. As someone who was born right around the time she hit the big scene, I grew up without hearing funk on the radio. Since one of my older cousins took all my parent's older records (that's another story ) I basically had to look it up myself these past couple years on the internet I don't have a problem with Whitney or her type of music, but I would like to see funk come back as well. I just don't understand why both types of music can't exist. Why does it have to be 1 or the other?

and don't get me started on Clive Davis

Record companies became stupid and lazy. Maybe it was once radio playlists became completely homogenised in the late '70s/early '80s but at some point once a certain artist became popular the number one priority became pumping out as many clones of that artist as possible. Look at rock music, in the '80s "hair metal" bands were everywhere, some of them were good, most of them were not, but once Nirvana appeared practically overnight they all disappeared. Then we got a million Nirvana clones. Seems to me they would be better off trying to push something that is very different to what is popular rather than putting out an inferior version of something better but maybe the public are just getting what we deserve?

vainandy said:

sosgemini said:

A life lesson I learned many years ago is to strive to achieve greater than the now. Keep on laughing and being stuck on a broken record that economically and culturally is stuck in the 70's. You dish your personal dirt on this website as if they are something to be proud of---blindly ignoring,well, reality.