TonyVanDam said:

leonche64 said:

You quote a song from 1947? Really? The discussion is about the current onfluence of music on culture. By the way, what is the ending to that song? The guy goes to prison and admonisishes the listeners "Come all you hypes and listen unto me, Just lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be." It is an anti-drug song.

Leonche, you're totally missing Harle's point. Hip-hop/rap isn't THE only musical gerne that is guilty for promoting negativity against women. You can also find negativity in rock/metal, country (especially the outlaw era), & the blues.

Hey Tony, I think you missed the point of my response. My point was that in the song he chose to partially quote, there are consequences at the end for the actions. It is not a glorification, but a denunciation of the life style. And once again, to restate what others have said, it matters not what they are doing, the discussion is Hip Hop. Johnny Cash was straight up outlaw. No doubt. Check out the song "Deilias' Gone", dark as anything. But all of his tales of woe end in prison or 6 feet under. And I dare say he does not have the influence over segments of the population that hip hop artist do. Life does not imitate art, or vice versa, for that segment of the population. So when Judd was making her statement, a bit misinformed as to personal, she was not that far off base.

I don’t believe anyone here is saying there isn’t a problem with some rap/hip-hop music and that it’s not unfortunate – to say the least – that it actually exists.

However, its popularity makes it obvious that the problem is MUCH bigger than the music. If there was no demand for it, would there still be a need to supply it? Nobody’s checkin' for Rakim and his style of hip-hop (I love Rakim – I’m not knocking him).

The bigger issue for me is why are (mostly) boys and men attracted to this style of rap/hip-hop? If this style of hip-hop disappeared today, those people who were attracted to it would still be here. So now what?

Also, as a sidebar I still do not believe Ashley wrote those words being attributed to her. I wonder if they are even in her book.

leonche64 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Leonche, you're totally missing Harle's point. Hip-hop/rap isn't THE only musical gerne that is guilty for promoting negativity against women. You can also find negativity in rock/metal, country (especially the outlaw era), & the blues.

Hey Tony, I think you missed the point of my response. My point was that in the song he chose to partially quote, there are consequences at the end for the actions. It is not a glorification, but a denunciation of the life style. And once again, to restate what others have said, it matters not what they are doing, the discussion is Hip Hop. Johnny Cash was straight up outlaw. No doubt. Check out the song "Deilias' Gone", dark as anything. But all of his tales of woe end in prison or 6 feet under. And I dare say he does not have the influence over segments of the population that hip hop artist do. Life does not imitate art, or vice versa, for that segment of the population. So when Judd was making her statement, a bit misinformed as to personal, she was not that far off base.

Fair enough.

But I still stand by my words in saying that Ashley is dead wrong about Snoop Dogg. Snoop has written about a lot of things in his rap songs (especially the topics of pimps, whores, & ). But he has NEVER written any songs about raping women.

TonyVanDam said:

leonche64 said:

Hey Tony, I think you missed the point of my response. My point was that in the song he chose to partially quote, there are consequences at the end for the actions. It is not a glorification, but a denunciation of the life style. And once again, to restate what others have said, it matters not what they are doing, the discussion is Hip Hop. Johnny Cash was straight up outlaw. No doubt. Check out the song "Deilias' Gone", dark as anything. But all of his tales of woe end in prison or 6 feet under. And I dare say he does not have the influence over segments of the population that hip hop artist do. Life does not imitate art, or vice versa, for that segment of the population. So when Judd was making her statement, a bit misinformed as to personal, she was not that far off base.

Fair enough.

But I still stand by my words in saying that Ashley is dead wrong about Snoop Dogg. Snoop has written about a lot of things in his rap songs (especially the topics of pimps, whores, & ). But he has NEVER written any songs about raping women.

I agree with you that she was dead wrong on calling out folks, she should have stuck to generalities.

MyNameIsPiper said:

prodigalfan said:

right

LOL, seriously? I have, but the woman was a willing participant. I've never heard a song where the woman is forced to do anything, though.

I can see where she's coming from, because a

[Edited 4/8/11 19:00pm]

I think you missed the sarcasm here.

Harlepolis said:

I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head

Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I run too slow they overtook me down in Juarez Mexico

Late in the hot joints takin' the pills in walked the sheriff from Jericho Hill
He said Willy Lee your name is not Jack Brown
You're the dirty hack that shot your woman down
Said yes oh yes my name is Willy Lee if you've got the warrant just aread it to me
Shot her down because she made me slow
I thought I was her daddy but she had five more

Johnny Cash

You were saying, Ashley?

She was right there was no need for it.

Ashley Judd Apologizes For 'Rape Culture' Comments

Actress Ashley Judd issued an apology for comments she made about the genre of Hip-Hop music in her new memoir, "All That Is Bitter and Sweet."

The singer labeled most music within the genre of Hip-Hop as part of a "rape culture" with "insanely abusive" lyrics.

"As far as I’m concerned, most rap and hip-hop music — with its rape culture and insanely abusive lyrics and depictions of girls and women as ‘ho’s' — is the contemporary soundtrack of misogyny.”

Judd made the comments while discussing her doubts about working with organization YouthAIDS, because of their affiliation with Snoop Dogg and Sean "Diddy" Combs.

In an interview with Hip-...apologized in an attempt to quell the media frenzy surrounding her comments.

"My intention was to support artists to know that they have so much power," Ashley Judd told GlobalGrind.com. "That they make incredible life changing impressions, particularly on the young. And we have choices everyday with our expressions, we either empower and celebrate unity or to re-enforce inequality and degradation. We are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. There is no in-between."

According to Ashley, her comments were taken out of context and are only a portion of her 400-page memoir, which takes a stand against misogyny in all forms, not just in Hip-Hop music.

"My intention was to take a stand to say the elements that are misogynistic and treat girls and women in a hyper-sexualized way are inappropriate," Judd said.

"That community is incredibly important to me and to the cause of social justice," she continued. "It is filled with bad ass and brave activists whom I admire, who work under duress fighting epic discrimination."

http://www.allhiphop.com/...69539.aspx

Soooo.....she does want to work with YouthAIDS or she does not? How does one's dislike for Diddy and Snoop get taken out of context? I think she just realized that what she said was stupid.

Ashley Judd Apologizes For 'Rape Culture' Comments

In an interview with Hip-...apologized in an attempt to quell the media frenzy surrounding her comments.

...we have choices everyday with our expressions, we either empower and celebrate unity or to re-enforce inequality and degradation. We are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. There is no in-between."

Umm, yeah. So based on her own words, her saying this...

"As far as I’m concerned, most rap and hip-hop music — with its rape culture and insanely abusive lyrics and depictions of girls and women as ‘ho’s' — is the contemporary soundtrack of misogyny.”

Means she's part of the problem, right?

babybugz said:

Ashley Judd Apologizes For 'Rape Culture' Comments

I can't stand weak asses that back down and apologize for shit. If you feel you are right about something, stick to your guns no matter who doesn't like it and tell then to fuck off if they don't like. I'm not surprised she backed down though because like Morris Day used to say...."ain't nobody bad like me".

I always liked her back in the day, but from the look of things the big bowl of crazy Naomi fed her for breakfast much of her life is biting this child's ass off. Truth be told the men that her family brought into her life, and her family, have damaged her and placed her in harms way; she seeks to redeem herself by bringing on powerful talk about other women's issues like a college freshman who has discovered feminism. (Stick with what you really know when speaking about deep shit like that.) I am starting to feel a bunch compassion for her again, cause really she is trying to bring about recovery and self esteem into her life.

But leave the Black man alone, He ain't got nothing to do with the Judd family crazy. (It's almost like that classic bullshit case where someone murders their children by driving their car into a lake and then claims a black man did it. Fuck that noise.)

(It's so weird to me when people refer to pot as a drug.)

vainandy said:

babybugz said:

Ashley Judd Apologizes For 'Rape Culture' Comments

I can't stand weak asses that back down and apologize for shit. If you feel you are right about something, stick to your guns no matter who doesn't like it and tell then to fuck off if they don't like. I'm not surprised she backed down though because like Morris Day used to say...."ain't nobody bad like me".

Closer, I can't see

These drawers I could not pass

She turned toward me

Things were moving

Kinda fast, kinda fast

When I saw those

Fishnet black pantyhose

Big legs show through the holes

Fishnet black pantyhose

She's out to catch you

With those fishnet pantyhose