JoeTyler said:

TonyVanDam said:

In fairness, Paul had his past issues with Ace & Peter. But he NEVER taken his negative criticisms over the top like Gene has. Even with the issues of Vinnie, Gene take the internal feuds more personal than Paul does.

exactly! Gene is such a drama queen, a truly over the top individual with big ego problems. Something happened to him in 1978. He was a cool guy during the 73-77 era. After that it was all money, bitches and ego. He hitted rock bottom when he said, in 1992, that Vinnie was a "borderline egotistical freak with casual suicidal thoughts" or something like that , that was just bullshit. fuck you Gene. EVEN Paul himself got tired of him in 1987 and that's sayin' something, since Paul is such a cool, sweet, "" guy...

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I think the beginning of the end for KISS's original band line-up was around the time that all 4 members has debut solo albums released on the same day. Before this idea came about, only Ace wanted to leave KISS after the success of the Love Gun album and go solo because he knew the band had change too much.

I have to say ONE thing Gene's writing on Revenge was his best, Revenge is probably there heaviest album and one of there best, I Just Wanna, Domino, Unholy, God Gave Rock N Roll To You, Paralyzed are some of Kiss's best track's ever.

As i said i must admit i LOVE Kiss's 80's set it's over the top & silly which honestly is what Kiss really is over the top rock. So many great solos like Exciter, Thrills In The Night, Read My Body, Turn On The Night, All Hells Breaking Loose, Murder In High Heels, I've Had Enough, Reason To Live, Hide Your Heart etc.

I honestly can't see why people say the 80's was just over produced silly mess , yeah it was and true the early Kiss albums had a more raw sound. But Kiss as much as people want to make it to be are NOT up there with Zeppelin, The Stones, The Who, Van Halen, The Kinks, The Beatles. They are nowhere near as good as those guy's and to me have been a silly cock rock band. This is not a BAD thing by any mean's but that's just how i see them.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Also what's this mess i hear about he dated Diana Ross?

That's something I don't get either.

I've always thought Gene was a handsome guy, even today. I remember when he and Diana were an item, and I can see how she would have been attracted to him.

PDogz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's something I don't get either.

I've always thought Gene was a handsome guy, even today. I remember when he and Diana were an item, and I can see how she would have been attracted to him.

I guess it's his behavior. I mean I guess if you have a charm that appeals to me, looks are secondary but in this case Paul looks more genuine than Gene does so that doesn't make him so attractive but I guess to each his own.

To truely appreciate what a douche Simmons is, you must listen to this:

"If you wanna welcome me with open arms you will have to welcome me with open legs."

Gunsnhalen said:

I have to say ONE thing Gene's writing on Revenge was his best, Revenge is probably there heaviest album and one of there best, I Just Wanna, Domino, Unholy, God Gave Rock N Roll To You, Paralyzed are some of Kiss's best track's ever.

As i said i must admit i LOVE Kiss's 80's set it's over the top & silly which honestly is what Kiss really is over the top rock. So many great solos like Exciter, Thrills In The Night, Read My Body, Turn On The Night, All Hells Breaking Loose, Murder In High Heels, I've Had Enough, Reason To Live, Hide Your Heart etc.

I honestly can't see why people say the 80's was just over produced silly mess , yeah it was and true the early Kiss albums had a more raw sound. But Kiss as much as people want to make it to be are NOT up there with Zeppelin, The Stones, The Who, Van Halen, The Kinks, The Beatles. They are nowhere near as good as those guy's and to me have been a silly cock rock band. This is not a BAD thing by any mean's but that's just how i see them.

I think you are vastly overrating the above bands and underrating Kiss. Their best material circa Kiss-Love Gun is as good as hard rock music got in the '70s. The "problem" with Kiss is that so many people see them as a joke band that is all about the spectacle of their live shows. That's BS. The makeup, "blood", explosions and trick guitars would be meaningless without a great set of songs to back them up. There's a reason that they can still tour so many years after their peak. People love those songs.

I really don't see how you can elevate Van Halen above Kiss. "Silly cock rock?" Go and read some Van Halen lyrics!

I only know a few KISS songs, but I like the Gene depicted on Family Jewels (for the most part). He seems like an honest man who loves his family.

Gunsnhalen said:

wig wearing

Looks to me like he's been going au naturel for a long time now.

And he has a sense of humor about himself.

JoeTyler said:

PAUL STANLEY is the heart, soul and brains of Kiss.

Exactly!! he's the only member's solo albums i listen too, apart from a couple of Ace's. Still Simmons works better with Stanley than solo. Both Stanley solo albums are great.

I saw Kiss in concert back in the early 80's and they were ok, but I have NEVER liked Gene. He is an egomaniac and I can't stand the guy. He has very little real talent and he talks like a pig. I don't see what his woman finds attractive about him, but something tells me it's all about his money.

I don't mind some old Kiss music and Paul Stanley seems like a decent dude, but I hope Kiss never gets into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame simply because of Gene.

With a tongue that long you'll need very little real talent.

Gene's best role as an actor:

As for Paul, I crack up everytime he does that fem little dance/strut thing in their videos.

SEANMAN said:

Gene's best role as an actor:

What the fuck was that?

Ace said:

SEANMAN said:

Gene's best role as an actor:

What the fuck was that?

It's from that classic '80's James Bond-esque flick called Never Too Young to Die. It starred Vanity, Gene and a pre-Full House John Stamos. Gene's character, Ragnar, was a homicidal hermaphrodite who was a cross between Cher and Dr. Frankenfurter from Rocky Horror. It must be seen to be believed. I'm still wondering how the hell they talked Gene into the role. Most of the budget must have been spent on his paycheck!

How is it possible that people who make fun of him aren't constantly bringing that flick up?

He also turned down a role as one of the members of the RobertdeNiro/James Wood gang of Once Upon a Time in America

novabrkr said:

How is it possible that people who make fun of him aren't constantly bringing that flick up?

Why would we? It wasn't even him allegedly but who cares?

It would be just an easy joke, you know? There's the one about him wearing fishnet stockings onstage, so I'm surprised that thing above hasn't become a meme of some sort too.

I think Gene's always had sort of effeminate body language to be honest. He hasn't been able to escape it even if he might have tried to seem macho or dress up as a businessman type.

rialb said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I have to say ONE thing Gene's writing on Revenge was his best, Revenge is probably there heaviest album and one of there best, I Just Wanna, Domino, Unholy, God Gave Rock N Roll To You, Paralyzed are some of Kiss's best track's ever.

As i said i must admit i LOVE Kiss's 80's set it's over the top & silly which honestly is what Kiss really is over the top rock. So many great solos like Exciter, Thrills In The Night, Read My Body, Turn On The Night, All Hells Breaking Loose, Murder In High Heels, I've Had Enough, Reason To Live, Hide Your Heart etc.

I honestly can't see why people say the 80's was just over produced silly mess , yeah it was and true the early Kiss albums had a more raw sound. But Kiss as much as people want to make it to be are NOT up there with Zeppelin, The Stones, The Who, Van Halen, The Kinks, The Beatles. They are nowhere near as good as those guy's and to me have been a silly cock rock band. This is not a BAD thing by any mean's but that's just how i see them.

I think you are vastly overrating the above bands and underrating Kiss. Their best material circa Kiss-Love Gun is as good as hard rock music got in the '70s. The "problem" with Kiss is that so many people see them as a joke band that is all about the spectacle of their live shows. That's BS. The makeup, "blood", explosions and trick guitars would be meaningless without a great set of songs to back them up. There's a reason that they can still tour so many years after their peak. People love those songs.

I really don't see how you can elevate Van Halen above Kiss. "Silly cock rock?" Go and read some Van Halen lyrics!

But Halen especially with Hagar had some great lyrics, Right Now, Love Walks In, Dreams, Mine All Mine, Finish What Ya Started, The Seventh SEal, Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, When It's love, Feels so good, Black & Blue

They had some great songs, and there musicians are WAY better, Eddie Van Halen is miles ahead of Ace, Alex Van Halen destroys Peter Criss on drums, Gene & Michael are probably about equal honestly neither is outstanding but both are good.

Paul Stanley was a better singer then DLR, But nowhere near the energy he has on stage, & Sammy is a better singer imo then Paul. but Paul beats him in stage precense

Overall i think Van Halen is miles above Kiss imo, i am a big fan of Kiss to i have almost all there albums, but there song's as i grew up i noticed was just simplistic rock, Peter Chris is not really that good of a drummer, Gene is an ok bas player Ace is the only outstanding one. There 80's musicians where way better

novabrkr said:

It would be just an easy joke, you know? There's the one about him wearing fishnet stockings onstage, so I'm surprised that thing above hasn't become a meme of some sort too.

I think Gene's always had sort of effeminate body language to be honest. He hasn't been able to escape it even if he might have tried to seem macho or dress up as a businessman type.

So his whole fight with Terry Gross was a lie on his part? Wow!! Also during the interview, he brags about his penis size and all those who saw his porn know that's a joke.

sosgemini said:

novabrkr said:

It would be just an easy joke, you know? There's the one about him wearing fishnet stockings onstage, so I'm surprised that thing above hasn't become a meme of some sort too.

I think Gene's always had sort of effeminate body language to be honest. He hasn't been able to escape it even if he might have tried to seem macho or dress up as a businessman type.

So his whole fight with Terry Gross was a lie on his part? Wow!! Also during the interview, he brags about his penis size and all those who saw his porn know that's a joke.

What!, sorry i didn't watch the entire thing... of the interview

I remember his porn he pretty much laid down and the girl sat on top of his average dick and he barely moved lol

She asked him about wearing fish stockings and he got upset and denied ever wearing them.

People can say what they want about Gene (and they're probably right) but he's always been cool, gracious and a gentleman everytime that I've met him...and I don't even have a pair of tits.

I think a lot of his "bravado" in interviews is put on and it's just his way of getting a rise out of people.

SPYZFAN1 said:

People can say what they want about Gene (and they're probably right) but he's always been cool, gracious and a gentleman everytime that I've met him...and I don't even have a pair of tits.

I think a lot of his "bravado" in interviews is put on and it's just his way of getting a rise out of people.

That's how I see it also. I also think it's just part of his sense of humor - some people get it, some don't.

Gunsnhalen said:

rialb said:

I think you are vastly overrating the above bands and underrating Kiss. Their best material circa Kiss-Love Gun is as good as hard rock music got in the '70s. The "problem" with Kiss is that so many people see them as a joke band that is all about the spectacle of their live shows. That's BS. The makeup, "blood", explosions and trick guitars would be meaningless without a great set of songs to back them up. There's a reason that they can still tour so many years after their peak. People love those songs.

I really don't see how you can elevate Van Halen above Kiss. "Silly cock rock?" Go and read some Van Halen lyrics!

But Halen especially with Hagar had some great lyrics, Right Now, Love Walks In, Dreams, Mine All Mine, Finish What Ya Started, The Seventh SEal, Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, When It's love, Feels so good, Black & Blue

They had some great songs, and there musicians are WAY better, Eddie Van Halen is miles ahead of Ace, Alex Van Halen destroys Peter Criss on drums, Gene & Michael are probably about equal honestly neither is outstanding but both are good.

Paul Stanley was a better singer then DLR, But nowhere near the energy he has on stage, & Sammy is a better singer imo then Paul. but Paul beats him in stage precense

Overall i think Van Halen is miles above Kiss imo, i am a big fan of Kiss to i have almost all there albums, but there song's as i grew up i noticed was just simplistic rock, Peter Chris is not really that good of a drummer, Gene is an ok bas player Ace is the only outstanding one. There 80's musicians where way better

I probably could but I won't argue any of your points. However, as far as their music goes Kiss and Van Halen are much more similar than different. Maybe you can argue that Van Halen are better musicians but other than some crappy "inspirational" lyrics they both crank out basic hard rock music and I would argue that Kiss are better songwriters. I think a very strong argument could be made that Van Halen were carrying on the same musical tradition that Kiss was a part of.

I agree with rialb. Bands like KISS and VH kind of come from the same cloth... I remember when "Women And Children" came out the big rumour was VH was really KISS w/out the makeup on.

I would love to hear the "Love Gun" demos with Gene, Eddie and Alex jamming together. Anyone from my generation (who loves rock) will say 1970's KISS and early 1980's VH were 2 unstoppable hard rock bands.

rialb said:

Gunsnhalen said:

But Halen especially with Hagar had some great lyrics, Right Now, Love Walks In, Dreams, Mine All Mine, Finish What Ya Started, The Seventh SEal, Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, When It's love, Feels so good, Black & Blue

They had some great songs, and there musicians are WAY better, Eddie Van Halen is miles ahead of Ace, Alex Van Halen destroys Peter Criss on drums, Gene & Michael are probably about equal honestly neither is outstanding but both are good.

Paul Stanley was a better singer then DLR, But nowhere near the energy he has on stage, & Sammy is a better singer imo then Paul. but Paul beats him in stage precense

Overall i think Van Halen is miles above Kiss imo, i am a big fan of Kiss to i have almost all there albums, but there song's as i grew up i noticed was just simplistic rock, Peter Chris is not really that good of a drummer, Gene is an ok bas player Ace is the only outstanding one. There 80's musicians where way better

I probably could but I won't argue any of your points. However, as far as their music goes Kiss and Van Halen are much more similar than different. Maybe you can argue that Van Halen are better musicians but other than some crappy "inspirational" lyrics they both crank out basic hard rock music and I would argue that Kiss are better songwriters. I think a very strong argument could be made that Van Halen were carrying on the same musical tradition that Kiss was a part of.

Either way you believe what you do & i believe what i do so we are not going to change opinions so let's just agree to disagree. And either way both band's our good & legendary in the end

Never To Young To Die is an awesomely bad film, no doubt. But Runaway is a better film to watch to see Gene Simmons as one of the most underrated action villians ever.

Yes, it's the one with THAT gun loaded with heat seeking bullets!

TonyVanDam said:

Never To Young To Die is an awesomely bad film, no doubt. But Runaway is a better film to watch to see Gene Simmons as one of the most underrated action villians ever.

Yes, it's the one with THAT gun loaded with heat seeking bullets!

TonyVanDam said:

Never To Young To Die is an awesomely bad film, no doubt. But Runaway is a better film to watch to see Gene Simmons as one of the most underrated action villians ever.

Yes, it's the one with THAT gun loaded with heat seeking bullets!

Yep. Runaway was his Purple Rain / Evita , lol