formallypickles said:

timmy and mickey

yes, image is everything but it shouldnt be bigger than talent..

now a days artist have more image than talent and passion...(rihanna, kesha, Katyperry..etc) pretty much rehashes of madonna...(madonna wasnt the best singer but she could Preform and there was passion about her image that SHE created herself not just to sell records )

yes, prince had alot of image changes but he still had the talent to back it up.

its like all you have to have is a image to make it nowadays..lil to no talent required

Flesh for Fantasy

SUPRMAN said:

formallypickles said:

timmy and mickey

yes, image is everything but it shouldnt be bigger than talent..

now a days artist have more image than talent and passion...(rihanna, kesha, Katyperry..etc) pretty much rehashes of madonna...(madonna wasnt the best singer but she could Preform and there was passion about her image that SHE created herself not just to sell records )

yes, prince had alot of image changes but he still had the talent to back it up.

its like all you have to have is a image to make it nowadays..lil to no talent required

Flesh for Fantasy

One of my favorite Billy Idol songs lol

Timmy84 said:

^ I don't even KNOW the music from this era that well so I can't really critique. And why should I? Even if I do hear it it's not the end of the world. I think we come off sounding like some of our parents especially those that couldn't understand the grunge, metal and hip-hop movements of the '90s and they go "that ain't real music, that's just garbage." Now here we are two decades later acting just like them!

I don't dislike genres or periods of music. I don't pretend to like everything but I am willing to listen to everything. I'm surprised at how much 90's music I have. But my collection keeps growing. I'm surprised I enjoyed 'Pink Friday' as much as I did. I got it after seeing the video for 'Right Thru Me.'

Most of it I like which surprised me. I never would have expected to own a Nikki Minaj album but that's why I'm open to give it all a listen.

I don't listen to country but I like say, Keith Urban's voice. I'll listen just for the voice. Same with Reba McEntire and Darius Rucker. I find I really like Darius Rucker doing country. There's some connection that I enjoy hearing a black man singing country. But he can also write a damn good country song. ('Don't Think I Don't Think About It', if you haven't heard that-find it.)

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I don't even KNOW the music from this era that well so I can't really critique. And why should I? Even if I do hear it it's not the end of the world. I think we come off sounding like some of our parents especially those that couldn't understand the grunge, metal and hip-hop movements of the '90s and they go "that ain't real music, that's just garbage." Now here we are two decades later acting just like them!

I don't dislike genres or periods of music. I don't pretend to like everything but I am willing to listen to everything. I'm surprised at how much 90's music I have. But my collection keeps growing. I'm surprised I enjoyed 'Pink Friday' as much as I did. I got it after seeing the video for 'Right Thru Me.'

Most of it I like which surprised me. I never would have expected to own a Nikki Minaj album but that's why I'm open to give it all a listen.

I don't listen to country but I like say, Keith Urban's voice. I'll listen just for the voice. Same with Reba McEntire and Darius Rucker. I find I really like Darius Rucker doing country. There's some connection that I enjoy hearing a black man singing country. But he can also write a damn good country song. ('Don't Think I Don't Think About It', if you haven't heard that-find it.)

Yeah it depends on how someone listens to it. I actually had Ashanti's album (the one with "Rock With Cha (Aw Baby)" and "Rain on Me" by mistake lol) and I listened to it and it was actually quite decent. I was surprised myself considering how much I'd dogged her when they compared her to Mary J. Blige.

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MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Hell, it's been in a rut since the early to mid 1990s when dance music (house music) died out and everything became adult contemporary and shit hop. This rut ain't nothing new. It's been here for almost 20 years.

I don't recall house music being played on R&B or "urban" stations, at least not where I live.

If you were in the Bay Area and listening on a Friday or Saturday night you would . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

Co-sign.

The Org is a great place to find new music.

I've found some great stuff here.

Someone posts it in a thread, I've read the thread and went and found it.

Everyone from Lewis Taylor to Snow Patrol to Kings of Leon when I first heard "Sex on Fire.'

Janelle Monae I discovered here . . .

Good to read that and that you have been hipped to new stuff.

btw, i believe this topic moves faster than i dunno wot

Timmy84 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Flesh for Fantasy

One of my favorite Billy Idol songs lol

Onlyh behind 'Eyes Without a Face' for me. It came immediately to mind. It's the image we want.

"Flesh For Fantasy"

There's a change in pace
Of fantasy and taste
Do you like good music?
Do you like to dance? Oh yeah.
Hangin' out for a body shop at night
Ain't it strange what we do to feel alright? Oh yeah.
So when will you call?
I'm experienced Oh yeah

Face to face
And back to back
You see and feel
My sex attack
Sing it
Flesh, flesh for fantasy
We want
Flesh, flesh for fantasy

It's after midnight
Are you feelin' alright oh yeah
Turn on the light, babe
Are you someone else tonight?
Neighbour to neighbour, door to door
Don't ask questions, there's time for it all Oh yeah.

Face to face
And back to back
You see and feel
My sex attack
Sing it
Flesh, flesh for fantasy
We cry
Flesh, flesh for fantasy

I sing for culture...

Father loves his son,
Mothers, daughters, too.
It's an old old story,
Cries the new world too.

Flesh, flesh for fantasy
We want
Flesh, flesh for fantasy
We want
Flesh, flesh for fantasy
You cry
Flesh, flesh for fantasy

LOL at Billy Idol lyrics in this thread.

SUPRMAN said:

LOL at Billy Idol lyrics in this thread.

And this is about "urban music". Then again I always hated that name.

Timmy84 said:

SUPRMAN said:

LOL at Billy Idol lyrics in this thread.

And this is about "urban music". Then again I always hated that name.

I guess it's better than "race music" or "Harlem Hit Parade".

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

And this is about "urban music". Then again I always hated that name.

I guess it's better than "race music" or "Harlem Hit Parade".

Yeah it's a lesser evil lol don't mean I appreciate it all the same.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Hell, it's been in a rut since the early to mid 1990s when dance music (house music) died out and everything became adult contemporary and shit hop. This rut ain't nothing new. It's been here for almost 20 years.

I don't recall house music being played on R&B or "urban" stations, at least not where I live.

They played lots of it in my area in the early 1990s. Black Box, The 49ers, Crystal Waters, Cee Cee Peniston, Jomanda, etc. However, for once the tables were turned. Most of this stuff was played on the white stations in my area. A little of it was played on the black stations but they were so contaminated by the Shitney Houston adult contemporary type bullshit by that time that they hardly played any jams. House music really didn't fit well with their format at the time.

It really was a trip in those days because the white stations were throwing down hard and it was the black stations that sounded like some old fogie Lawrence Welk type shit. Whenever the black stations did play a house song, it totally sounded out of place because you would hear almost an entire hour of nothing but slow stuff and then all of a sudden, one little fast song would come on and when it was over, it was back to another hour and a half of slow shit again. A total complete opposite of how black radio was before the Shitney Houston era. Shit hop later came along and totally fit into their format because it was just as slow and dull as the adult contemporary type stuff that was dominating.

Of course in the gay clubs at the time, it was a completely different scene altogether. That type of house music dominated the black gay club. But of course, gay people have always partied harder than straight people anyway. I mean, hell, we live to party. Over in the white gay club, it played a lot of stuff like Depeche Mode as well as some of the black house music (but not nearly as much of the black gay club) and some European sounding house type music that didn't sound funky at all. I remember it sounding a lot like what's called trance today which is horrible.

Timmy84 said:

suga10 said:

Na I disagree, I mean you had Sarah Mclachlan and Alanis Morissette who didn't really sell themselves out- and they were quite successful in thier own right.

Sarah bored me after a while. Alanis has decided to become a family woman now (she has a child). But those were the '90s. Of course they were out there because it was the TREND!

Remember that women's rock/singer-songwriter's movement in the '90s? Melissa Etheridge sparked a buzz and soon people were looking to promote women who could play guitar and sing a melancholy tune.

• Jewel
• Sarah
• Alanis
• Fiona
• The woman who sung "Sunny Came Home" (the name escapes me at the moment)...oh never mind it was Shawn Colvin
• The woman who sung "Bitch"

Then after that died down (along with Lilith Fair)

Oh Lord, I remember that era. I had gotten bored with black radio at the time and had switched over to white radio because they were at least playing stuff like La Bouche, Haddaway, Planet Soul, etc. It wasn't as funky as the dance music of the early 1990s but it was still OK.

Then, all of a sudden comes all these singers like the ones you mentioned. Jewel sounded absolutely horrible. That shit bored and depressed the hell out of me. Hell, it sounded like folk music of all things. Damn, I can't think of anything more depressing than folk music. And Melissa Ethridge's music had a country edge to it. I mean damn, I can remember in the 1980s, anything even remotely sounding like country was not cool to a lot of the pop/rock listeners at all (after 1980 and 1981 of course when that little country trend on pop radio died off).

And Alanis Morissette. Just the sound of her voice irked the hell out of me. She sounded like that damn Irish leprechan on the old "Lucky Charms" cereal commercials.

So I had already taken all the black stations off my dial because of adult contemporary and shit hop and switched over to white pop radio. All of a sudden, it starts sounding country so I just took all those stations off to and replaced them with nothing but oldies stations. I figured I'd be much less depressed listening strictly to old stuff since the new up and coming generation at the time (both black and white) had just completely lost all rhythm and sense of fun and wanted to go backwards back to dorky styles and tempos of music.

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

No Vainandy was talking about people like Black Box, C+C Music Factory, Snap! and 'em.

But there was a eurodance movement between 1993 and 1997 going on within Canada.

But yes I remember Snap too.

And you forget Culture Beat- with Mr. Vain.

I'm not sure if I know what the Eurodance movement was. All I know is around the late 1990s around 1996 and 1997 when most black artists had almost completely abandoned house/dance music altogether, the stuff that remained and continued on till this very day, lost all funkiness and rhythm and became extremely speeded up to the point that people could no longer shake ass on the dance floor but simply hop around like rabbits on speed.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't recall house music being played on R&B or "urban" stations, at least not where I live.

They played lots of it in my area in the early 1990s. Black Box, The 49ers, Crystal Waters, Cee Cee Peniston, Jomanda, etc. However, for once the tables were turned. Most of this stuff was played on the white stations in my area. A little of it was played on the black stations but they were so contaminated by the Shitney Houston adult contemporary type bullshit by that time that they hardly played any jams. House music really didn't fit well with their format at the time.

It really was a trip in those days because the white stations were throwing down hard and it was the black stations that sounded like some old fogie Lawrence Welk type shit. Whenever the black stations did play a house song, it totally sounded out of place because you would hear almost an entire hour of nothing but slow stuff and then all of a sudden, one little fast song would come on and when it was over, it was back to another hour and a half of slow shit again. A total complete opposite of how black radio was before the Shitney Houston era. Shit hop later came along and totally fit into their format because it was just as slow and dull as the adult contemporary type stuff that was dominating.

Of course in the gay clubs at the time, it was a completely different scene altogether. That type of house music dominated the black gay club. But of course, gay people have always partied harder than straight people anyway. I mean, hell, we live to party. Over in the white gay club, it played a lot of stuff like Depeche Mode as well as some of the black house music (but not nearly as much of the black gay club) and some European sounding house type music that didn't sound funky at all. I remember it sounding a lot like what's called trance today which is horrible.

The R&B stations where I lived played mostly New Jack Swing, rap, and Jody Watley/Janet Jackson/Lisa Lisa dance pop in the late 80's, not so much the adult contemporary R&B. I mostly listened to pop radio at the time, though.

Timmy84 said:

suga10 said:

Yes we're beating a dead horse over it , but I was trying to say that in the end was that- my views are not influenced from a generation perspective, but from a person who's just critical of music in general and will be ready to acknowledge somebody if its indeed good stuff.

Oh and that's how you based your comments on the Beatles.

Personal much?

Exactly.

I pretty much just listen to the people I been listening to I have no clue what they playing on 106 & park these days and glad I don't . This is what mainly my thread was hinting at .. the 'black pop" artists .

babybugz said:

I pretty much just listen to the people I been listening to I have no clue what they playing on 106 & park these days and glad I don't . This is what mainly my thread was hinting at .. the 'black pop" artists .

What's that?

MickyDolenz said:

babybugz said:

I pretty much just listen to the people I been listening to I have no clue what they playing on 106 & park these days and glad I don't . This is what mainly my thread was hinting at .. the 'black pop" artists .

What's that?

Don’t worry... It’s good you don’t know.

Have u seen the folks running Urban music these days?

MickyDolenz said:

babybugz said:

I pretty much just listen to the people I been listening to I have no clue what they playing on 106 & park these days and glad I don't . This is what mainly my thread was hinting at .. the 'black pop" artists .

What's that?

It's the 2000's version of American Bandstand (...or Soul Train Lite, lol) on BET.

PDogz said:

MickyDolenz said:

What's that?

It's the 2000's version of American Bandstand (...or Soul Train Lite, lol) on BET.

I don't have cable or satellite, so I wouldn't know about BET's programming.

MickyDolenz said:

PDogz said:

It's the 2000's version of American Bandstand (...or Soul Train Lite, lol) on BET.

I don't have cable or satellite, so I wouldn't know about BET's programming.

Don't blame you, I HAVE cable and haven't watched BET or "106 & Park" in nearly a decade. 106&P seems marketed toward teens anyway.

Graycap23 said:

Have u seen the folks running Urban music these days?

I saw them once. Haven't seen them since.

MickyDolenz said:

babybugz said:

I pretty much just listen to the people I been listening to I have no clue what they playing on 106 & park these days and glad I don't . This is what mainly my thread was hinting at .. the 'black pop" artists .

What's that?

Are you serious?

LayzieKrayzie said:

MickyDolenz said:

What's that?

Are you serious?

Yeah he's serious. Read his post after what babybugz and PDogz said about it.

LayzieKrayzie said:

MickyDolenz said:

What's that?

Are you serious?

With so much music in the world, from so many different genres, it's understandable that someone could have missed "106 & Park" entirely (despite it's 10-year run), given the limited scope their programing targeted.

I remember it mainly for when Mariah Carey went on there looking and acting "a hot mess", and for the controversy surrounding Big Tigger's sexuality.

PDogz said:

LayzieKrayzie said:

Are you serious?

With so much music in the world, from so many different genres, it's understandable that someone could have missed "106 & Park" entirely (despite it's 10-year run), given the limited scope their programing targeted.

I remember it mainly for when Mariah Carey went on there looking and acting "a hot mess", and for the controversy surrounding Big Tigger's sexuality.

She acted a hot mess on TRL too unless you meant that.

Timmy84 said:

PDogz said:

With so much music in the world, from so many different genres, it's understandable that someone could have missed "106 & Park" entirely (despite it's 10-year run), given the limited scope their programing targeted.

I remember it mainly for when Mariah Carey went on there looking and acting "a hot mess", and for the controversy surrounding Big Tigger's sexuality.

She acted a hot mess on TRL too unless you meant that.

It could have very well been TRL . I just remember her not being quite as sexy as she apparently thought she was being at the time, lol. And now that you mention it, I do seem to remember Carson Daly being mixed up in that story somehow, so it probably was TRL.