lastdecember said:

JoeTyler said:

MASTERPIECES

Rocks

Toys in the Attic

Pump

VERY GOOD ALBUMS

Get Your Wings

Done With Mirrors

Permanent Vacation

GOOD ALBUMS

Get a Grip

Aerosmith

Draw the Line

Night in the Ruts

DECENT

Honkin' On Bobo

WEIRD

Rock In a Hard Place

CRAP

Nine Lives

Just Push Play

pretty much agree on all that, i might bump up Nine Lives to Decent.

+1 Just a few slight modifications

I'd put the self titled debut in the very good/masterpiece range.

I'd put Get A Grip & Permanent Vacation into Decent.

I'd put Just Push Play in the "You have now entered the 9th gate of Hell" bad....

JoeTyler said:

MASTERPIECES

Rocks

Toys in the Attic

Pump

VERY GOOD ALBUMS

Get Your Wings

Done With Mirrors

Permanent Vacation

GOOD ALBUMS

Get a Grip

Aerosmith

Draw the Line

Night in the Ruts

DECENT

Honkin' On Bobo

WEIRD

Rock In a Hard Place

CRAP

Nine Lives

Just Push Play

I'd plug "Get a Grip" into the CRAP category. It was such a huge letdown after "Pump". The only track I cared for was "Eat the Rich".

And it drove me bonkers hearing the 3 power-ballads released as singles all in a row - - all 3 of them basically the same song, and all 3 of them overplayed to death. Craying / Crazy / Amazing. Torture!!!!!!!!!

hhhhdmt said:

Fenwick said:

Totally agree about Young Lust, FINE and What it Takes. But I would also add Voodoo Medicine Man to that list. I personally think that track is epic and one of their best tunes ever. It's just dirty.

The only song on the entire disc that doesn't work for me is Love in an Elevator. The "WHOAH YEAH" verse call and response thing is more of an emulation of Bon Jovi than GnR. I find it cheesy.

It's weird what some people hear from an album. Dated production? I think it's timeless straight up rock without any gimmicks at all. Anyway, I would most definitely put this album in league with their first four/five records.

Granted What it Takes is no Seasons of Wither, but what else is?

mia, home tonight and dream on but yes i agree that its def one of their best ballads

As far as their best work outside of the big three (toys, rocks, pump), i really like their debut and strange as it sounds night in the ruts. I love the cover of rememeber (walking in the sand) and songs like chiquita and mia. I am probably in the minority for liking night in the ruts quite alot but to each to their own i guess

Draw the line- i really dont like it. Maybe it'll grow on me, but i liked night in the ruts 10 times better.

Anyway for the op, here are some tracks you might like that are not on either rocks or toys

Train kept a rollin:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...FpKzNyddA0

chip away the stone:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...VeR0bN5j7A

I can completely see your point on Draw the Line vs. Night in the Ruts. It's pretty much a coin flip. I probably side with Draw the LIne because I love- love- love I Wanna Know Why, Critical Mass and Kings and Queens.

Either way, I just don't think either of them match the first four albums.

NoVideo said:

I'd plug "Get a Grip" into the CRAP category. It was such a huge letdown after "Pump". The only track I cared for was "Eat the Rich".

And it drove me bonkers hearing the 3 power-ballads released as singles all in a row - - all 3 of them basically the same song, and all 3 of them overplayed to death. Craying / Crazy / Amazing. Torture!!!!!!!!!

That's pretty much how I feel about it too but didn't want to take it all the home. It's not Just Push Play bad, but I can't stand it.

NoVideo said:

JoeTyler said:

MASTERPIECES

Rocks

Toys in the Attic

Pump

VERY GOOD ALBUMS

Get Your Wings

Done With Mirrors

Permanent Vacation

GOOD ALBUMS

Get a Grip

Aerosmith

Draw the Line

Night in the Ruts

DECENT

Honkin' On Bobo

WEIRD

Rock In a Hard Place

CRAP

Nine Lives

Just Push Play

I'd plug "Get a Grip" into the CRAP category. It was such a huge letdown after "Pump". The only track I cared for was "Eat the Rich".

And it drove me bonkers hearing the 3 power-ballads released as singles all in a row - - all 3 of them basically the same song, and all 3 of them overplayed to death. Craying / Crazy / Amazing. Torture!!!!!!!!!

Yeah i gotta agree on that, thats where i think PUMP is looked at as being the Evil album that caused that, and its not true at all, i wouldnt call it crap but i might drop it to decent, theres some big time filler and alot of ballads that took over that record. I really thought those 3 songs were the same song.

hot damn I forgot about "Just Push Play"

I loved that song!!! never heard the album tho

Whatever. Cryin' is awesome, Crazy a classic and Amazing an excellent Queen/Elton-like epic hymn/ballad

and how can you dislike EXCELLENT rockers like Fever, Livin' On the Edge, Walk On Down, Gotta Love It, Shut Up and Dance, Can't Stop Messin', Line Up, Boogie Man, etc.

Get a Grip is a GOOD album. Period. Lol

JoeTyler said:

Whatever. Cryin' is awesome, Crazy a classic and Amazing an excellent Queen/Elton-like epic hymn/ballad

One of them on the album would have been great. Two would have been tolerable. Three is overkill!

JoeTyler said:

and how can you dislike EXCELLENT rockers like Fever, Livin' On the Edge, Walk On Down, Gotta Love It, Shut Up and Dance, Can't Stop Messin', Line Up, Boogie Man, etc.

Get a Grip is a GOOD album. Period. Lol

It's not on my North American version so it doesn't count.

I think the biggest problem with Get A Grip is the length. Knock four songs off and get it to the 45-50 minute range and it automatically becomes a more listenable album.

I think ya'll should get a grip!

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

and how can you dislike EXCELLENT rockers like Fever, Livin' On the Edge, Walk On Down, Gotta Love It, Shut Up and Dance, Can't Stop Messin', Line Up, Boogie Man, etc.

Get a Grip is a GOOD album. Period. Lol

It's not on my North American version so it doesn't count.

I think the biggest problem with Get A Grip is the length. Knock four songs off and get it to the 45-50 minute range and it automatically becomes a more listenable album.

I only dislike Flesh and the title-track...

purplethunder3121 said:

I think ya'll should get a grip!

JoeTyler said:

rialb said:

It's not on my North American version so it doesn't count.

I think the biggest problem with Get A Grip is the length. Knock four songs off and get it to the 45-50 minute range and it automatically becomes a more listenable album.

I only dislike Flesh and the title-track..

But...you got me all soakin' wet!

I think "Get a Grip" is a noble attempt at (almost) funk but they don't quite pull it off. Maybe with a different arrangement it could work?

JoeTyler said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I think ya'll should get a grip!

A fixation, is it?

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

I only dislike Flesh and the title-track..

But...you got me all soakin' wet!

I think "Get a Grip" is a noble attempt at (almost) funk but they don't quite pull it off. Maybe with a different arrangement it could work?

wow, words cannot describe how I hate the title-track, it's silly, it's sooooooo juvenile... give me Fever instead...

purplethunder3121 said:

JoeTyler said:

A fixation, is it?

hmmm, you haven't said no... so, here we go:

JoeTyler said:

purplethunder3121 said:

A fixation, is it?

hmmm, you haven't said no... so, here we go:

So, I'll give you one of these Just joking!

JoeTyler said:

rialb said:

But...you got me all soakin' wet!

I think "Get a Grip" is a noble attempt at (almost) funk but they don't quite pull it off. Maybe with a different arrangement it could work?

wow, words cannot describe how I hate the title-track, it's silly, it's sooooooo juvenile... give me Fever instead...

Maybe but the rest of the Aerosmith catolog can hardly be described as "mature."

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

wow, words cannot describe how I hate the title-track, it's silly, it's sooooooo juvenile... give me Fever instead...

Maybe but the rest of the Aerosmith catolog can hardly be described as "mature."

what??

only half of Permanent Vacation, half of GaG and 9L & JPP should be considered as juvenile albums...

their 73-85 work (+ Pump) is completely mature, rock for everybody...

[Edited 3/31/11 16:04pm]

purplethunder3121 said:

JoeTyler said:

hmmm, you haven't said no... so, here we go:

JoeTyler said:

rialb said:

Maybe but the rest of the Aerosmith catolog can hardly be described as "mature."

what??

only half of Permanent Vacation, half of GaG and 9L & JPP should be considered as juvenile albums...

their 73-85 work (+ Pump) is completely mature, rock for everybody...

[Edited 3/31/11 16:04pm]

I was referring to the lyrics. Think "Lord of the Thighs."

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

what??

only half of Permanent Vacation, half of GaG and 9L & JPP should be considered as juvenile albums...

their 73-85 work (+ Pump) is completely mature, rock for everybody...

[Edited 3/31/11 16:04pm]

I was referring to the lyrics. Think "Lord of the Thighs."

flawless band during the 70s

lol

JoeTyler said:

rialb said:

I was referring to the lyrics. Think "Lord of the Thighs."

flawless band during the 70s

lol

A little film called Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band says otherwise!

I agree alot with joe but i would take their debut over permenant vacation

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

flawless band during the 70s

lol

A little film called Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band says otherwise!

^^^ Yeah, okay--don't hold that against them or the BeeGees or Peter Frampton! Seemed like a good deal to Robert Stigwood at the time! Confession: I went to the theater to see it and I actually liked it! So--shoot me now!

purplethunder3121 said:

rialb said:

A little film called Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band says otherwise!

^^^ Yeah, okay--don't hold that against them or the BeeGees or Peter Frampton! Seemed like a good deal to Robert Stigwood at the time! Confession: I went to the theater to see it and I actually liked it! So--shoot me now!

If you were drunk and/or high I can find it in my heart to give you a pass.

rialb said:

purplethunder3121 said:

^^^ Yeah, okay--don't hold that against them or the BeeGees or Peter Frampton! Seemed like a good deal to Robert Stigwood at the time! Confession: I went to the theater to see it and I actually liked it! So--shoot me now!

If you were drunk and/or high I can find it in my heart to give you a pass.

No, can't say that--I was a virgin to many things at the time...

hhhhdmt said:

I agree alot with joe but i would take their debut over permenant vacation

Definitely agree. Permanent Vacation is ok but it has no teeth.

rialb said:

hhhhdmt said:

I agree alot with joe but i would take their debut over permenant vacation

Definitely agree. Permanent Vacation is ok but it has no teeth.

+1

but the album is redeemed by St.John & Hangman Jury; with those 2 songs, any sin is forgiven...