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Reply #30 posted 03/29/11 8:02pm

JoeTyler

who's heavier? Slayer? or the Beatles?

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Reply #31 posted 03/29/11 8:24pm

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hmmm let me think! biggrin

Slayer fuckin headbang

Reign In Blood and South Of Heaven are classics.

She Believed in Fairytales and Princes, He Believed the voices coming from his stereo

If I Said You Had A Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me?
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Reply #32 posted 03/29/11 8:32pm

JoeTyler

bigd74 said:

hmmm let me think! biggrin

Slayer fuckin headbang

Reign In Blood and South Of Heaven are classics.

and Seasons in the Abyss, and Show No Mercy cool

the DVD "THE BIG 4" IS A MUST HAVE

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Reply #33 posted 03/29/11 8:42pm

HuMpThAnG

hhhhdmt said:

NDRU said:

Just between you & me, all that stuff from "before" the Beatles is just propaganda created by the Nixon administration from around the time of the "moon landing" shhh

lol lol lol

well some beatles fans surely act like there was no rock or great music before they came along

oh gawd!!! that goes for Elvis too...

(In a deep voice): "Before Elvis, there was no one".

ahhhh...yes it was lol

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Reply #34 posted 03/29/11 8:45pm

JoeTyler

HuMpThAnG said:

hhhhdmt said:

lol lol lol

well some beatles fans surely act like there was no rock or great music before they came along

oh gawd!!! that goes for Elvis too...

(In a deep voice): "Before Elvis, there was no one".

ahhhh...yes it was lol

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anyway, many people still divide music in two cathegories: pre-elvis & post-elvis evillol

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Reply #35 posted 03/29/11 8:49pm

novabrkr

hmmm

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Reply #36 posted 03/29/11 8:56pm

NDRU

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novabrkr said:

hmmm

well, they hadn't invented it yet!

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Reply #37 posted 03/29/11 9:02pm

JoeTyler

hmmm hmmm

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Reply #38 posted 03/29/11 9:13pm

TonyVanDam

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hhhhdmt said:

i have heard this a few times, is it true that they invented heavymetal?

Actually, it's a coin toss between Led Zeppelin & Black Sabbath.

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Reply #39 posted 03/29/11 9:28pm

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Reply #40 posted 03/29/11 9:33pm

kdj997

TonyVanDam said:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMcDg2HwOn/youtube]

If poison, motley cryers, kiss is your idea of heavy metal you're a moron. Gay metal maybe. Heavy metal no. Like Blink 182 is gay punk.

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Reply #41 posted 03/29/11 9:38pm

NDRU

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my friend played this for me way back when, to show me how awesome Motley Crue was. He did not know who wrote this song, but he hated the Beatles lol Love the irony

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Reply #42 posted 03/29/11 9:43pm

TonyVanDam

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HuMpThAnG said:

hhhhdmt said:

lol lol lol

well some beatles fans surely act like there was no rock or great music before they came along

oh gawd!!! that goes for Elvis too...

(In a deep voice): "Before Elvis, there was no one".

ahhhh...yes it was lol

Before Richard & Chuck, there was nothing! wink

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Reply #43 posted 03/29/11 9:47pm

HuMpThAnG

thumbs up!

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Reply #44 posted 03/29/11 9:47pm

HuMpThAnG

JoeTyler said:

HuMpThAnG said:

oh gawd!!! that goes for Elvis too...

(In a deep voice): "Before Elvis, there was no one".

ahhhh...yes it was lol

falloff

anyway, many people still divide music in two cathegories: pre-elvis & post-elvis evillol

tis true lol

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Reply #45 posted 03/29/11 9:48pm

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kdj997 said:

TonyVanDam said:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMcDg2HwOn/youtube]

If poison, motley cryers, kiss is your idea of heavy metal you're a moron. Gay metal maybe. Heavy metal no. Like Blink 182 is gay punk.

WTF do you know about rock OR metal? rolleyes You sound like you were born AFTER 1993. Go back to your Limp Bizkit albums already! lol

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Reply #46 posted 03/29/11 9:48pm

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kdj997 said:

PFunkjazz said:

The Beatles aren't heavy metal. They're pop. Maybe rock, prog-rock maybe even r&b. Heavy metal? No ways. Gotta be very psychedelic blues rock.

I'd point to Hendrix, Cream and The Yardbirds as one of the first heavy metal bands/artists. That's what Jimi going to Britain was allabout. It was blues-based psychedelic jammming. The actual genre isn't identified until after Jimi dies and the other two had disbanded. Around 1971 Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple come along, but as far as I'm concerned, the first Funkadelic records on WESTBOUND and OSMIUM are bluesy and very psychedelic as anything else. They debuted in 1970.

The thing about heavy metal is ya gotta "walk the talk" and play live. Beatles didn't perform live much especially from that HELTER SKELTER period. All those bands listed above played live.

You people are clueless. The Beatles, specifically Paul, recorded Helper Skelter to intentionally make it the heaviest song ever. He thought I could see for miles by the Who was the heaviest song ever and wanted to make something Heavier. Helter Skelter predates Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Doesn't predate Hendrix so it may be an argument there. With all of that in mind you can argue that the Beatles created Heavy Metal and there's no argument at all against them being pioneers in the genre.

Looks like you just lost your own argument. So it's The Who, not the Beatles, who had a hand in creating the heavy metal genre. I'd have probably thrown in the Who, just that I've never been much of a fan. When Led Zep first came to US their main competition for attractingthe big audience was The Who.

As per the Beatles: I overlooked "Come Together" and "Revolution". I'm willing to admit I sold The Beatles short, because of their lack of playing live and touring. In any case, Jimi's three studio albums The Yardbirds and Cream make a case for setting up heavy metal as a genre without the Beatles.

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Reply #47 posted 03/29/11 9:49pm

funkpill

TonyVanDam said:

HuMpThAnG said:

oh gawd!!! that goes for Elvis too...

(In a deep voice): "Before Elvis, there was no one".

ahhhh...yes it was lol

Before Richard & Chuck, there was nothing! wink

Muddy Waters?? hmmm

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Reply #48 posted 03/29/11 10:24pm

JoeTyler

funkpill said:

TonyVanDam said:

Before Richard & Chuck, there was nothing! wink

Muddy Waters?? hmmm

and Hank Williams, Robert Johnson, Sinatra, + folk and jazz, swing and crooners...

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Reply #49 posted 03/30/11 1:10am

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JoeTyler said:

funkpill said:

Muddy Waters?? hmmm

and Hank Williams, Robert Johnson, Sinatra, + folk and jazz, swing and crooners...

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Before Wolfgang Mozart, there was definitely nothing. No pop, no gospel, no rock & roll/metal, just not a damn thing!!! wink

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Reply #50 posted 03/30/11 1:26am

JoeTyler

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

and Hank Williams, Robert Johnson, Sinatra, + folk and jazz, swing and crooners...

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Before Wolfgang Mozart, there was definitely nothing. No pop, no gospel, no rock & roll/metal, just not a damn thing!!! wink

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don't forget medieval choirs! and the always beautiful bizantine music!

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Reply #51 posted 03/30/11 1:29am

hhhhdmt

kdj997 said:

PFunkjazz said:

The Beatles aren't heavy metal. They're pop. Maybe rock, prog-rock maybe even r&b. Heavy metal? No ways. Gotta be very psychedelic blues rock.

I'd point to Hendrix, Cream and The Yardbirds as one of the first heavy metal bands/artists. That's what Jimi going to Britain was allabout. It was blues-based psychedelic jammming. The actual genre isn't identified until after Jimi dies and the other two had disbanded. Around 1971 Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple come along, but as far as I'm concerned, the first Funkadelic records on WESTBOUND and OSMIUM are bluesy and very psychedelic as anything else. They debuted in 1970.

The thing about heavy metal is ya gotta "walk the talk" and play live. Beatles didn't perform live much especially from that HELTER SKELTER period. All those bands listed above played live.

You people are clueless. The Beatles, specifically Paul, recorded Helper Skelter to intentionally make it the heaviest song ever. He thought I could see for miles by the Who was the heaviest song ever and wanted to make something Heavier. Helter Skelter predates Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Doesn't predate Hendrix so it may be an argument there. With all of that in mind you can argue that the Beatles created Heavy Metal and there's no argument at all against them being pioneers in the genre.

. According to your argument, the credit should go to the who then since they wrote i can see for miles before helter skelter and they inspired helter skelter

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Reply #52 posted 03/30/11 1:33am

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hhhhdmt said:

kdj997 said:

You people are clueless. The Beatles, specifically Paul, recorded Helper Skelter to intentionally make it the heaviest song ever. He thought I could see for miles by the Who was the heaviest song ever and wanted to make something Heavier. Helter Skelter predates Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Doesn't predate Hendrix so it may be an argument there. With all of that in mind you can argue that the Beatles created Heavy Metal and there's no argument at all against them being pioneers in the genre.

. According to your argument, the credit should go to the who then since they wrote i can see for miles before helter skelter and they inspired helter skelter

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lol Zing!

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Reply #53 posted 03/30/11 1:40am

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No, the Beatles did not invent metal. But their style of layered playing in which instruments are constantly supporting each other to give a very simple song a huge sound. That laid the groundwork for Black Sabbath to do something similar with a hell of a lot more volume and overdriven guitars.

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Reply #54 posted 03/30/11 2:19am

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hhhhdmt said:

kdj997 said:

You people are clueless. The Beatles, specifically Paul, recorded Helper Skelter to intentionally make it the heaviest song ever. He thought I could see for miles by the Who was the heaviest song ever and wanted to make something Heavier. Helter Skelter predates Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Doesn't predate Hendrix so it may be an argument there. With all of that in mind you can argue that the Beatles created Heavy Metal and there's no argument at all against them being pioneers in the genre.

. According to your argument, the credit should go to the who then since they wrote i can see for miles before helter skelter and they inspired helter skelter

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Good to see someone else sees the big hole in your "logic".

Should serve as a warning. Next time you word a response as a putdown, make sure you know where your argument is going.

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Reply #55 posted 03/30/11 2:33am

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jpnyc said:

No, the Beatles did not invent metal. But their style of layered playing in which instruments are constantly supporting each other to give a very simple song a huge sound. That laid the groundwork for Black Sabbath to do something similar with a hell of a lot more volume and overdriven guitars.

And even that I'm not sure they (Black Sabbath) didn't get from King Crimson. Fripp borrowed heavily from free jazz in which instruments would be soloing often in parallel though discordant lines. ref Ornette Coleman Albert Ayler, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra.

As was said above, The Beatles were just so damn popular you'd think they invented music.

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Reply #56 posted 03/30/11 3:14am

HuMpThAnG

PFunkjazz said:

jpnyc said:

No, the Beatles did not invent metal. But their style of layered playing in which instruments are constantly supporting each other to give a very simple song a huge sound. That laid the groundwork for Black Sabbath to do something similar with a hell of a lot more volume and overdriven guitars.

And even that I'm not sure they (Black Sabbath) didn't get from King Crimson. Fripp borrowed heavily from free jazz in which instruments would be soloing often in parallel though discordant lines. ref Ornette Coleman Albert Ayler, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra.

As was said above, The Beatles were just so damn popular you'd think they invented music.

"Overpopular" would be the right phrase nod

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Reply #57 posted 03/30/11 3:40am

baroque

im sorry but the right answer is jesus. jesus invented heavy metal duh. remember the greatest thing that the devil can do is make people believe he is not real..

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Reply #58 posted 03/30/11 4:44am

Timmy84

No but "Helter Skelter" surely influenced some bands. Don't know if it's safe to say if any form of music is "invented"...

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Reply #59 posted 03/30/11 4:53am

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I didn't know the Fab 4 put out comic books.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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