classic77 said:

Yeah,that part was painful to watch.For years,I heard that the REAL reason for all the surgeries is because Mike doesn't want to resemble his evil father in any way.

DavidEye said:

I've heard that also and it makes alot of sense. I tend to believe his "obsession" with children and childhood has to do with him withdrawing to a place where he feels most comfortable in his life. Perhaps it is a means of escape to a place of innocence from the pain he has experienced in his youth.

EverlastingNow said:

[This message was edited Fri Feb 7 3:55:31 PST 2003 by jnoel]

LaVisHh said:

WELL SAID LaVisHh...

by screwing Michael, Martin only screwed himself, the fat, pompous, self-righteous, fartsack!
he is through n the celebrity world of nnerviews, can't no one trust his 2 faced crack!
Martin almost blew his own coverted cover when he 4got himself and TRIED 2 snatch Blanket's scarf off his head during his feeding, pretending like he was trying 2 help the baby, all the time trying 2 xpose him.
Michael may b wierd, but he AIN'T SLOW...eye don't think Martin's sly move got past him.

he should have tossed him out, on his head, then and there, crew, cameras, and all...Prince would have!

Michael was 2 good 2 all of them, and that 2 faced Barbara Walters just parroted what Martin was spewing...wonder what he paid her 2 b all up n his butt.

they were so ntent on making Michael look the child molester, they missed the whole point of anything the man said.

eye predick some media careers ain't gone b so credible no mo, and some waning stars gone SHOOT AGAIN!

ya hear that Barbara and Martin!
Gimme Star Jones or Oprah any day, sheesh!
u got my vote Michael, and my love boo.



ps: joe jackson u r one of a kind, eye hope. and ur day is coming!

DavidEye said:

Oh PLEEEZE, you know you had your VCR set all along, stop frontin!

origmnd said:

yeah, eye caught that OrigMnd, but as eye c it...he told the truth, but he had caught on 2 Martin, and after that he was not worthy of any more truth.
Michael new what he was saying, he didn't even try 2 whitewash it.
"here is u a flat out lie, Martin, how u like that? now deal with it!"

he could have said, he found the baby on a lily pad, same premise.
Martin was no longer ntitled 2 any truths.

CalhounSq said:

No,seriously,I truly was gonna skip this program

I'm just so sick and tired of hearing about Michael's personal life.And plus,I usually HATE these types of shows (tell-all exposes on the rich and famous,blah blah blah).But when 8 O'Clock rolled around,I just had to watch it...lol..

origmnd said:

and datgumm Mnd,
he must of had 2 have known the poor girl somehow, he knew her wishes regarding privacy, he knew she WAS black, and he pulled the baby out her ( )...hisself, b4 she could even hatch it good.
yeah that constitutes KNOWING a person pretty well.
but he KNEW ol' Martin even WELLER, and that sez what? deal wit dis obvious lie, my fren.

:LOL:



b well Michael, some of us heard what u were trying 2 say.
we heard past ur nose!

Axchi696 said:

u tell em' Axchi696! ya hear that ya Prince Fams?!?

AaronUnlimited said:

Starr laid Walters out about Michael 2!
when she tried 2 have a pre-show hen fest about Michael. very unprofessional of u Barbs, what u losing it or something? they got a space waiting 4 u bsides Geraldo Rivera, u better watch ur self! but, u go Starr!

jnoel said:

err...if u read my thread i posted immediately after it's airing here in Australia,u would know i expressed my views there.

OK Mr Know It All?

EverlastingNow said:

Hey Now,
didn't u hear? the 13 year old NEVER accused Michael, the media, and the STEPFATHER DID.
eye heard a few weeks after he got his mitts on the payola money, he skipped town with ALL of it and left the kid, and his mother high and dry, and they ain't found his tail yet!
eye blieve Michael, but eye never would have paid the blighters nothing neither!

Joshy84au said:

Sorry, I'm into a Gabriel Garcia Marquez novel at the moment then after I promise you to read all your threads!you ignore my other remarks, have you done researchs about Uri "twisted spoon" Geller?
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[This message was edited Fri Feb 7 6:50:52 PST 2003 by jnoel]

Well, after seeing the interview/documentary, It didn't affect me one way or another. I enjoyed the musical conversation of this documentary{Michael talking about how he creates a song...that part was excellent!!!}. It's all about the music to me, I could care less about all of that other stuff. I really wished Bashir would had probed Michael on more musical matters.

Having said that, I will say this. Expect MJ's sales of his old catalog albums to increase in the USA. Like I've stated many times here in this forum, the mainstream media will always try to state negative thing about him. But please NOTE MJ means $$$ and magazines, TV networks and newpapers know this. ABC knew exactly what they were doing when they purchased this documentary. Some parts of the documentary were disturbing{yea...Mike has some issues}. But I think he is gonna come out of this OK. I got more out of the primetime special after the documentary than the documentary itself. I enjoyed seeing footage of that 1979 20/20 Barbar Walters interview with Mike during the 1979 Off The Wall Tour with his brothers. I remember that 1979 20/20 special like it was yesterday. Mike had the short jheri curl that glitering tuxedo and those glittering socks to match. Shoot, I wish they would have ran that WHOLE 1979 special. What a difference 24 years makes?

Not defending Mike, but the Primetime Special Staff were dogging Mike. Especially that Barbara Walters. I also noticed that they rarely said anything postive about him. "Mike says he is worth 1 billion...but actually it more so 350 million"just to give an example.

But you know what? If Mike gave a press conference right now and announce that he is about to embark on a full scale US tour. Then put tickets on sale, they'd go like hotcakes.
Michael may be eccentric, but he's still one of the greatest live performers/showmen that ever graced the Earth. If Michael didn't have such an awesome talent, do you think the public would waist their time on all of his eccentricities?

yes i agree,
the interviewer was clearly out to belittle and scandalise MJ after it was over. At first it seemed liek a friendly go along, Mj displaying childish characteristics and explaining his difficult childhood. But after a while it is obvious, the only thing on the interviewer's mind is "disturbing"..as he clearly cuts and pastes this documentary to his own liking. As 2 give a distorted view. I'm sure Mj is mentally not stable but the way this guy exploited this interview is shameful!

LaVisHh said:

I agree with you, Lav. If never before, I feel differently towards Michael than I used to. His childhood is definitely a reflection on his life now...I am saddened for him that that asshole Bashir came in like a friend and went out like a bastard...what he said on Primetime was unforgivable...

Tina (~!~)

NettieSmiles said:

I do feel sorry for Michael and yes,I do feel that this interviewer betrayed him.But at the same time,I think Michael knew (or should have known) what he was getting into.He didn't have to do this interview.He agreed to the rules beforehand.

But I agree with Bro915...this documentary doesn't really change my opinion of MJ one way or the other.I've been a fan of his since 1974 and I will continue to be a fan.Alot of artists that I admire (Marvin Gaye,for example) lived very sad,depressing lives filled with drama and "issues".Michael is no different.

DavidEye said:

Co-sign, one TRUE way Mike can silence his critics and naysayers is come back STRONG and HARD with a new record of TRUE artistic merit.

There are more important problems and news that need to be reported other than Mike's face problems!!!

It's just a joke: Yes...Mike was black and now he is white. He went too far with plastic surgury obviously becuase he didn't like what he saw in the mirror. Yes he likes kids maybe because every adult he comes across takes him for a ride and to get $$$.

As mentioned above the music is 1st and foremost...he needs another 'Thriller' to help him along...

derek said:

no he needs a therapist, deeply

derek said:

Like I said above,I think Michael should have displayed a defiant "fuck you!" attitude concerning the plastic surgery.I think people would have respected him more if he admmitted to the surgeries and said something like "Yes,I have had plastic surgery and I did it for my own personal reasons.It's my face,my life.If anyone has a problem with it,tough shit.It's my life".


Could you imagine Mike saying that?


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[This message was edited Fri Feb 7 6:40:50 PST 2003 by DavidEye]

derek said:

We're going to war in a matter of weeks,but guess what all the talk shows are gonna be talking about today?

I watched most of the special. It's sad the way his father screwed he and his siblings up being such a tyrant.

However, Mike needs to be in therapy. He is not Joe Jackson but, he is definately damaging his kids with the masks, the bleached hair on the oldest boy, the fantasy land existence, etc. I feel worse for the kids than I do for Mike. Mike has plenty of money,and has had plenty of time to work through the problems he had as a child/teenager. He isn't even giving his kids a chance to be semi-normal.

I don't feel the interviewer set out to betray him. But once Bashir was exposed to the craziness that is Mike's life he felt he had to actually talk about it and be truthful about what he saw/felt.

I really don't know how Mike thought the majority of his comments was going to come off. The fact that he thought this special was going to be some fluff piece on his life is another sign that he does not have a clue about how this looks to the people watching it. Especially the segment with the 13-year old cancer survivor, Gavin.

Empathy is a wondrous salve for the wounded-hearted.


The media will do what they will for ratings and money. My feelings have changed for MJ, so that interview may have accomplished SOMETHING after all...

Tina (~!~)

Ifsixwuz9 said:

its hard 4 him 2 give them a chance 2 be semi-normal,when the media dont give their father a chance 2 be semi-normal.

Joshy84au said:

True

I don't know what Sting or Bruce Springsteen's kids look like and I don't care all I know is that they don't have to wear a mask when they go outside in spite of the fact that their fathers are superstars

After seeing te special it left me feeling exactly like the rest. I was really disturbed and sadden by it. I think the interviewer had a mission and had his mind already made up how he was gonna make MJ out to be before he even started.

I agree we all have the right to have plastic surgery and surrogat mother's ...it happens everyday. The only thing that bothered me about it is the fact he didn't tell the truth. We all know he's had more than 2 things done with his face so why lie about it. I've always thought he was innocent about the the whole child thing, but this interview left the ppl that thought he was guilty convinced now. If he could lie through the whole thing why couldn't he lie about that.

I personally think he is still a child at heart. This is a guy that never had a childhood. Now that he's able to have one he is and he's sharing his perfect childhood with others. He's totally innocent in my eyes.


Much Love,
LoLinex
[This message was edited Fri Feb 7 10:25:52 PST 2003 by lolinex]

already posted sorry!!

Much Love,
LoLinex
[This message was edited Fri Feb 7 10:25:12 PST 2003 by lolinex]

NettieSmiles said:

Oh please. Plenty of celebs have kids and they do not go to the extremes he does. The media does not make it necessary to have Mike cover his kids faces with masks, and scarves. The media does not make him bleach his sons' hair blonde.



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