Timmy84 said:

MJJstudent said:

wait? homeboy used to be with phylicia ayers-allen? i didn't know that! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU DON'T WHUP NO PHYLICIA!!! i bet you NOW he he was with her, she would put that foot up his azz!

And he's also a crackhead but apparently he's still paid off the royalties from Village People records (since he wrote the majority of their hits).

woooooooow...

Queercore check it out awesome genre!!!

baroque said:

Queercore check it out awesome genre!!!

like mulkilteo fairies and stuff like that? josh is a cool dude.

baroque said:

Queercore check it out awesome genre!!!

Gotta remind myself to check that more often...

MJJstudent said:

baroque said:

Queercore check it out awesome genre!!!

like mulkilteo fairies and stuff like that? josh is a cool dude.

yuppers. i also like team dresch! and also i agree with you 100 percent

You'd have to go back to the glam rock movement.

Gay icons tend to be female performers, starting from Judy Garland, up to Lady Gaga.

baroque said:

MJJstudent said:

like mulkilteo fairies and stuff like that? josh is a cool dude.

yuppers. i also like team dresch! and also i agree with you 100 percent

one of my good friends used to play in a band with him, so i used to see him every time he came by years later. he ended up doing cookbooks and such, travelling around the country promoting them. yeah, he's really nice.

man... there's a lot of groups and individuals... i used to know and do shows with a bunch of folks, like vitapup (melissa york ended up being in this band called the butchies), tribe 8, los crudos (where one of the dudes was queer), god is my co-pilot, etc.

one of my favourite people in the scene was donny the punk (RIP). he was awesome. one of the nicest people you will ever meet. he was prominent in the 'stop prisoner rape!' movement. his life story was compelling, yet equally sad and disturbing.

other bands/people in the movement/scene are vaginal creme davis, g.b. jones (who ended up being in fifth column), pansy division, the dicks and the big boys (who had gay members). also bob mould is gay, but husker du i don't think was technically recognized as a 'queer punk band'.

lazycrockett said:

^The idea with VP was that each persona was a iconic gay image singing subtle gay themed songs. They were meant to be camp, but crossed over to the mainstream which didn't get or understand the "gayness" of the band. Im sure when The Villiage People were strutting their stuff on American Bandstand many Mo's at the time were laughing at the straight people wondering how can those breeders be so clueless.

I boogied-down several times at the Disco in 1979 to "Macho Man", long before I realized what the joke was all about, lol. And every guy in the club, that was there with their lady-dates, pounded their chest to the beat of "Macho Man", as if THEY were the most manly man at the Disco, lol.

It wasn't until several months later that a friend of mine from work (who just happened to be Gay) pulled me aside with the cover to the album "Macho Man", and said "C'mon! You don't 'get it'? Look at these guys! A Leatherman, a Construction Worker, a Policeman? These guys are GAY!" Then he had me focus on the lyrics, lol. That's when I had a "A-Ha!" moment, lol.

But most of America didn't 'get it' in the beginning. Least of which those poor hetero-guys that couldn't wait to get on the dance floor and pound their chests to "Macho, Macho, Man! I Want To Be - A Macho Man!"

PDogz said:

lazycrockett said:

^The idea with VP was that each persona was a iconic gay image singing subtle gay themed songs. They were meant to be camp, but crossed over to the mainstream which didn't get or understand the "gayness" of the band. Im sure when The Villiage People were strutting their stuff on American Bandstand many Mo's at the time were laughing at the straight people wondering how can those breeders be so clueless.

I boogied-down several times at the Disco in 1979 to "Macho Man", long before I realized what the joke was all about, lol. And every guy in the club, that was there with their lady-dates, pounded their chest to the beat of "Macho Man", as if THEY were the most manly man at the Disco, lol.

It wasn't until several months later that a friend of mine from work (who just happened to be Gay) pulled me aside with the cover to the album "Macho Man", and said "C'mon! You don't 'get it'? Look at these guys! A Leatherman, a Construction Worker, a Policeman? These guys are GAY!" Then he had me focus on the lyrics, lol. That's when I had a "A-Ha!" moment, lol.

But most of America didn't 'get it' in the beginning. Least of which those poor hetero-guys that couldn't wait to get on the dance floor and pound their chests to "Macho, Macho, Man! I Want To Be - A Macho Man!"

just like they didn't figure out that freddy mercury was queer... so even though they claimed to hate gay dudes they screamed 'we are the champions' loudly at sporting events...

dalsh327 said:

You'd have to go back to the glam rock movement.

Gay icons tend to be female performers, starting from Judy Garland, up to Lady Gaga.

That's always the stereotypical answer to who ARE "gay icons". But it's usually women that gays could relate to for personal reasons from Garland to Chaka.

MJJstudent said:

PDogz said:

I boogied-down several times at the Disco in 1979 to "Macho Man", long before I realized what the joke was all about, lol. And every guy in the club, that was there with their lady-dates, pounded their chest to the beat of "Macho Man", as if THEY were the most manly man at the Disco, lol.

It wasn't until several months later that a friend of mine from work (who just happened to be Gay) pulled me aside with the cover to the album "Macho Man", and said "C'mon! You don't 'get it'? Look at these guys! A Leatherman, a Construction Worker, a Policeman? These guys are GAY!" Then he had me focus on the lyrics, lol. That's when I had a "A-Ha!" moment, lol.

But most of America didn't 'get it' in the beginning. Least of which those poor hetero-guys that couldn't wait to get on the dance floor and pound their chests to "Macho, Macho, Man! I Want To Be - A Macho Man!"

just like they didn't figure out that freddy mercury was queer... so even though they claimed to hate gay dudes they screamed 'we are the champions' loudly at sporting events...

Yeah it's funny when you think about it because if it was public knowledge that most of the Village People was gay and Freddie Mercury blending both sexes (but ultimately and privately confirming that he himself was gay) then their careers wouldn't have prospered as long as they did. Freddie was lucky he started off in ROCK. The VP's were already guilty in association with disco music. Queen's music though did embrace the disco generation and therefore some folks didn't really wanna touch them like that in America though they still had some success until after 1984.

This got me thinking. I had some music going and one of our associates said, this is gay I wanna hear some different music as he put on Dub Step. I was like "what the hell is gay?".

I even put a facebook post about this subject now. I hate when people say that shit..it doesnt make sense.

paisleypark4 said:

This got me thinking. I had some music going and one of our associates said, this is gay I wanna hear some different music as he put on Dub Step. I was like "what the hell is gay?".

I even put a facebook post about this subject now. I hate when people say that shit..it doesnt make sense.

Yeah they use it as an acronym for stupid/lame. Gay folks play dub step as well so that's silly.

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paisleypark4 said:

This got me thinking. I had some music going and one of our associates said, this is gay I wanna hear some different music as he put on Dub Step. I was like "what the hell is gay?".

I even put a facebook post about this subject now. I hate when people say that shit..it doesnt make sense.

PDogz said:

paisleypark4 said:

This got me thinking. I had some music going and one of our associates said, this is gay I wanna hear some different music as he put on Dub Step. I was like "what the hell is gay?".

I even put a facebook post about this subject now. I hate when people say that shit..it doesnt make sense.

MJJstudent said:

except the singer

Isn't he Valerie Simpson's brother?

MickyDolenz said:

MJJstudent said:

except the singer

Isn't he Valerie Simpson's brother?

No the original Village People leader was Victor Willis. Valerie's brother was his replacement.

paisleypark4 said:

This got me thinking. I had some music going and one of our associates said, this is gay I wanna hear some different music as he put on Dub Step. I was like "what the hell is gay?".

I even put a facebook post about this subject now. I hate when people say that shit..it doesnt make sense.

when people get all homophobic and say 'that's gay', i just turn it around and go, 'ain't nothin' wrong with being happy...'

MJJstudent said:

paisleypark4 said:

This got me thinking. I had some music going and one of our associates said, this is gay I wanna hear some different music as he put on Dub Step. I was like "what the hell is gay?".

I even put a facebook post about this subject now. I hate when people say that shit..it doesnt make sense.

when people get all homophobic and say 'that's gay', i just turn it around and go, 'ain't nothin' wrong with being happy...'

Always the best defense to get back at them assholes.

Can anyone make a list of TRUE gay icons? Like somebody said, these days if you play synths and wear a flashy suit, you're gay

I'd truly appreciate that list

Anyone who has been in the music industry for more than 5 years in considered a gay icon. I really don't pay any attention to that gay icon stuff. 95% of the artists that I grew up on in the 70's and 80's are now labeled as gay icons. Not sure why because most of their music I don't normally associate with gay folks. I consider gay icons people like Sylvester, Pet Shop Boys, and Boy George. And people like Cher, Madonna and Patti Labelle who have always had huge gay followings. But, people like Stevie Wonder, tina Turner, Chaka Khan, Mariah Carey, Jefferey Osborne, etc??? They all have their share of gay fans but I don't consider them as gay icons as some people do.

JoeTyler said:

Can anyone make a list of TRUE gay icons? Like somebody said, these days if you play synths and wear a flashy suit, you're gay

I'd truly appreciate that list

i don't believe in the concept of the 'icon', but here are some folks i feel have supported the rights of gay people around the world (or were just extremely influential), making them very significant to that community.

liza minelli

diana ross

elizabeth taylor

cher

deborah harry

quentin crisp

oscar wilde

marlon riggs

willi ninja

sylvester

martha wash

bob fosse

joan rivers

tammy faye baker

eartha kitt

patti la belle

larry levan

nona hendryx

PDogz said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Gloria Gaynor (not sure why)...

...it's because of every single word in the lyrics to "I Will Survive", and because she's so closely associated to Disco - a Gay-driven genre. And among many other things, Gay folks are survivors (usually against of all manner of opposition). That Gloria Gaynor would be a Gay icon is a given.

Okay...makes sense. Thanks 4 your input. I just never really dug her music is all. I felt more of a connection with Natalie Cole, but she wasn't really considered a "Disco" artist. She stayed true to the R&B form.

Timmy84 said:

I may get stoned for this but I never got the big deal about the Village People.

naw, they were terrible and everyone knew it!

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

I may get stoned for this but I never got the big deal about the Village People.

naw, they were terrible and everyone knew it!

MJJstudent said:

JoeTyler said:

Can anyone make a list of TRUE gay icons? Like somebody said, these days if you play synths and wear a flashy suit, you're gay

I'd truly appreciate that list

i don't believe in the concept of the 'icon', but here are some folks i feel have supported the rights of gay people around the world (or were just extremely influential), making them very significant to that community.

liza minelli

diana ross

elizabeth taylor

cher

deborah harry

quentin crisp

oscar wilde

marlon riggs

willi ninja

sylvester

martha wash

bob fosse

joan rivers

tammy faye baker

eartha kitt

patti la belle

larry levan

nona hendryx

Cyndi Lauper put together the "True Colors" festival for a few years, and would prob. be considered an icon.

Stevie Nicks, Kylie Minogue, Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush.

Liza Minnelli, Diana Ross, Cher - Gene Simmons dated all of them.

I like many "gay" artists according to mainstream

I have never heard of Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles being gay icons. I can imagine how rumors like that can get started within your circle though because I know how dumb a lot of straight people can be when it comes to us. If a straight person happens to hear a group of us discussing how we like someone like Stevie Wonder's music, then all of a sudden, in that straight person's mind, Stevie Wonder must be a gay icon because they heard that group of gay people discussing how they liked his music. Or for instance, I can't remember who I played at a gay house party not long ago, but it was funk like Lakeside, Con Funk Shun, or somebody like that. A straight person was there who had come with a gay friend and he saw all these gay asses shaking to it and he said...."What, y'all know about that kind of funk?". Well hell, what the hell do you think we were listening to before we were old enough to go to the gay clubs? I guess that motherfucker went home that night thinking that Lakeside and Con Funk Shun are gay icons also.

They just don't seem to realize that we like all kinds of music just like they do other than just the stuff that is gay icons. Gay icons are the ones that most of us love that have been played in the gay clubs for years, night after night. Yeah, other groups get played night after night in the gay clubs while their music is popular but the gay icons are the ones that continued to be played on a regular basis even after the songs go out of style in the mainstream.

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vainandy said:

Or for instance, I can't remember who I played at a gay house party not long ago, but it was funk like Lakeside, Con Funk Shun, or somebody like that. A straight person was there who had come with a gay friend and he saw all these gay asses shaking to it and he said...."What, y'all know about that kind of funk?". Well hell, what the hell do you think we were listening to before we were old enough to go to the gay clubs? I guess that motherfucker went home that night thinking that Lakeside and Con Funk Shun are gay icons also.

You should have put on some Lynyrd Skynyrd, then told The Family to just play along and dance to it, lol. That would have REALLY fucked him up, lol.

PDogz said:

vainandy said:

Or for instance, I can't remember who I played at a gay house party not long ago, but it was funk like Lakeside, Con Funk Shun, or somebody like that. A straight person was there who had come with a gay friend and he saw all these gay asses shaking to it and he said...."What, y'all know about that kind of funk?". Well hell, what the hell do you think we were listening to before we were old enough to go to the gay clubs? I guess that motherfucker went home that night thinking that Lakeside and Con Funk Shun are gay icons also.

You should have put on some Lynyrd Skynyrd, then told The Family to just play along and dance to it, lol. That would have REALLY fucked him up, lol.