musicjunky318 said:

trueiopian said:

Why does he or she keep bringing up successful icons?

Aaliyah stans are jealous of everyone who was more successful than her. They use her death as this sort of shield where you can't say anything about her at all. If you don't agree that she was an icon and a legend when she died you're a hater. If you present them with facts showing she wasn't that big of a deal you're an idiot because she was about to "BLOW UP!" They go around creeping into threads with no purpose other than attack, (Beyonce, Janet, and Ciara are their three main victims) they create these DUMB "What if 'Baby Girl' was here...?" scenarios, and are just ignorant to what was reality at the time of her passing.

They are annoying AS HELL.

I never cared if you thought she was an icon or legend, I never even said that.

I do however came in here and provided facts with your one-sided bias opinions, that's for sure.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

lol @ mumbling

http://www.youtube.com/wa...xnc0c_U3NE

the riffs and runs She did @ 1:51-2:24 Janet could never. She would literally choke trying to get out of that chipmunk tone to even attempt.

DEAD at riffs and runs.

Just stop. Mumbling doesn't equate to actual singing.

You keep saying mumbling but you praise Janet's voice to the high heavens. How ironic.

musicjunky318 said:

trueiopian said:

Why does he or she keep bringing up successful icons?

Aaliyah stans are jealous of everyone who was more successful than her. They use her death as this sort of shield where you can't say anything about her at all. If you don't agree that she was an icon and a legend when she died you're a hater. If you present them with facts showing she wasn't that big of a deal you're an idiot because she was about to "BLOW UP!" They go around creeping into threads with no purpose other than attack, (Beyonce, Janet, and Ciara are their three main victims) they create these DUMB "What if 'Baby Girl' was here...?" scenarios, and are just ignorant to what was reality at the time of her passing.

They are annoying AS HELL.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

DEAD at riffs and runs.

Just stop. Mumbling doesn't equate to actual singing.

You keep saying mumbling but you praise Janet's voice to the high heavens. How ironic.

Yes, I said mumbling.

Where did I praise Janet's voice "to the high heavens"? I'm not the one posting links to videos and bragging about non-existent high notes, chest notes and the other bullshit you claimed she's hitting.

Music DUMMY was only 11 Years old when she died, wtf would you even know anyway?

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

You keep saying mumbling but you praise Janet's voice to the high heavens. How ironic.

Yes, I said mumbling.

Where did I praise Janet's voice "to the high heavens"? I'm not the one posting links to videos and bragging about non-existent high notes, chest notes and the other bullshit you claimed she's hitting.

Aaliyah sings better than Janet

everyone in here that talked about it agrees.

Pressure said:

Music DUMMY was only 11 Years old when she died, wtf would you even know anyway?

Yea and? All you have to do is look up her stats.

She was not in the same league nor was approaching the same league as those yal wanna make her rivals.

Rihanna has had way more success than Aaliyah at this point and Ciara has had just as many hits if not more than her as well.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Yes, I said mumbling.

Where did I praise Janet's voice "to the high heavens"? I'm not the one posting links to videos and bragging about non-existent high notes, chest notes and the other bullshit you claimed she's hitting.

Aaliyah sings better than Janet

everyone in here that talked about it agrees.

Everyone = You?

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Music DUMMY was only 11 Years old when she died, wtf would you even know anyway?

Yea and? All you have to do is look up her stats.

She was not in the same league nor was approaching the same league as those yal wanna make her rivals.

Rihanna has had way more success than Aaliyah at this point and Ciara has had just as many hits if not more than her as well.

and dummy, how do you know who was approaching what? Can you SEE the future? Janet's first two albums flopped.. look what happened? Ri's first two underperformed.. look what happened?

Rihanna also has more albums, and she still hasnt outsold Aaliyah in terms of album sales

Ciara has never even SEEN the top 10 as a solo artist all of her hit songs feature "who's hot at the moment". None of her songs by herself were major hits.

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trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Aaliyah sings better than Janet

everyone in here that talked about it agrees.

Everyone = You?

da girl that posted the first vid

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Music DUMMY was only 11 Years old when she died, wtf would you even know anyway?

Yea and? All you have to do is look up her stats.

She was not in the same league nor was approaching the same league as those yal wanna make her rivals.

Rihanna has had way more success than Aaliyah at this point and Ciara has had just as many hits if not more than her as well.

I know this may sound harsh and BLOODPressure may accuse me for hating on Ciara and Aaliyah BUT I think Aaliyah would be where Ciara is now but with a bigger acting career.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Everyone = You?

da girl that posted the first vid

That girl thinks Britney can sing her ass off. Her opinions are void

AANBAN-Debuted @ #18, Gold in 3 months Platinum

OIAM-Debuted @ #18 Gold in 2 months, 2x plat

AAliyah-Gold in four weeks, Debuted @ #2

If that isn't an improvement, then Idk what is.

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Timmy84 said:

Eli should've won that battle, dammit! Those dudes who were cuddling were prejudice against handicapped rappers

[Edited 3/22/11 12:15pm]

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

Yea and? All you have to do is look up her stats.

She was not in the same league nor was approaching the same league as those yal wanna make her rivals.

Rihanna has had way more success than Aaliyah at this point and Ciara has had just as many hits if not more than her as well.

and dummy, how do you know who was approaching what? Can you SEE the future? Janet's first two albums flopped.. look what happened? Ri's first two underperformed.. look what happened?

Rihanna also has more albums, and she still hasnt outsold Aaliyah in terms of album sales

Ciara has never even SEEN the top 10 as a solo artist all of her hit songs feature "who's hot at the moment". None of her songs by herself were major hits.

You go with what's on paper and all signs point to her losing relevancy. Brandy & Monica, her top two contemporaries in the 90s used to go multi-platinum. And look at them now. What made Aaliyah so special that she wouldn't have ended up on the same island with them? Where is Mya? Where is Ashanti? (Who by the way had more success than her as well.) Floptina can't even go Gold nowadays. And whether people hate her or love her, truth be told she was no slouch in her selling prime. 8 million debut, 4 million follow-up...It's nothing to sneeze at.

Ciara has had featured artists on her tracks, not the other way around. The majority of them were still her singles.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Eli should've won that battle, dammit! Those dudes who were cuddling were prejudice against handicapped rappers

Exactly! Plus the other rapper was dumb as hell.

Well, that's something we would never know.

This whole topic saddens me because it seems to lean towards the idea that only one black woman can be a star at a time. I personally don't care for any of these artists but why can't Brandy, Monica, Ashanti, Ciara, AND Beyonce co exist sucessfully? Why couldn't Aalyiah if she were still around? Frankly, none of them is/was doing anything more merit worthy than the other. They are all r&b/pop musicans. There shouldn't be room for just one.

119 said:

This whole topic saddens me because it seems to lean towards the idea that only one black woman can be a star at a time.

That's how the USA works, only one black star at a time. Sidney Poitier, Sammy Davis Jr., Bill Cosby, Denzel Washington, or Will Smith.

lavender1983 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

*drives in sees alot of BS*

I love Aaliyah and Beyoncé.

*turbo boost the fuck out*

MickyDolenz said:

Damn those spanish ladies are hot

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

and dummy, how do you know who was approaching what? Can you SEE the future? Janet's first two albums flopped.. look what happened? Ri's first two underperformed.. look what happened?

Rihanna also has more albums, and she still hasnt outsold Aaliyah in terms of album sales

Ciara has never even SEEN the top 10 as a solo artist all of her hit songs feature "who's hot at the moment". None of her songs by herself were major hits.

You go with what's on paper and all signs point to her losing relevancy. Brandy & Monica, her top two contemporaries in the 90s used to go multi-platinum. And look at them now. What made Aaliyah so special that she wouldn't have ended up on the same island with them? Where is Mya? Where is Ashanti? (Who by the way had more success than her as well.) Floptina can't even go Gold nowadays. And whether people hate her or love her, truth be told she was no slouch in her selling prime. 8 million debut, 4 million follow-up...It's nothing to sneeze at.

Ciara has had featured artists on her tracks, not the other way around. The majority of them were still her singles.

Well for one, Aaliyah was an all around, more interesting entertainer and performer than Monica and Brandy. (she was a dancer, and she was also the best looking, that could of helped)

Secondly, in the 2000's, It was clear as day that out of Brandy, Monica, and Aaliyah, (mya was never a factor and was barely popular in the 90's) Aaliyah had the most prominent career of that decade. Her movie roles was a huge factor. secondly, Her album was doing better than "Full Moon" and Monica's "after the storm". In fact, Aaliyah was also supposed to open up the 2001 Vma's with a performance. She was in fact reaching new heights before she died, Can't see how you guys can deny that.

Ashanti, had a big first album, but she never had the consistency and longetivity Aaliyah had. Not even similar. Way more sucess? Aaliyah sold more albums, and had more hits and bigger movie roles. Ashanti had a PEAK.

What makes Aaliyah different from Xtina and ashanti's situation, was that Xtina and Ashanti started OFF uberly popular, with success greatly decreasing after each album they put out. The point I was trying to make for the past 10 pages (jesus) was that Aaliyah started off from the bottom, and she was working her way up slowly. Every album Aaliyah put out she OUTDID her last. We don't know where she would be because she never had an actual "peak" because each album brought her to a new level of fame.

and Ciara? The fact that all of her songs flop without rent-a-rappers says alot about her "starpower". You dont see Beyonce and Rihanna have rappers on all of their songs. just sayin.

I miss Aaliyah.

That is all.

alphastreet said:

Aaliyah was really cool and she had beats that were different from her female counterparts like Brandy and Monica and she had a really unique style. Most people that were fans of hers I found were those heavily into r&b and hip hop that were a young audience in their teens and 20's and early 30's. Brandy and Monica were much more popular though and for the pop and r&b audiences. I listened to Brandy the most, followed by Monica then Aaliyah, but liked her a lot anyways and remember girls trying to part their hair like hers. I was so shocked on the day she died and won't forget what I was doing and all. I thought it's not real and has to be one of her new acting roles, but it was on the news time to time throughout the day.

I do remember not liking the new album right away either the way I loved One In a Million and her follow-up soundtrack singles with amazing choreography, but thought I would get it later on. I got it sometime after her death and it eventually grew on me and now I like it better than One In a Million though it's silly to compare. I also remember her mom pulling the albums.

As for the topic title, I think Beyonce and Aaliyah were different from one another, I'm not sure if Aaliyah would have been the one competing with Beyonce. I think she would have continued putting out albums and selling about the same as her first 3 and possibly blown up around the mid 00's when Timbaland in my opinion peaked musically with his beats. Maybe the kind of beats that went to Nelly Furtado and Justin would have gone to Aaliyah and made her mainstream, kind of like how Usher blew up with Confessions.

I have not watched Aaliyah's movies, but have heard really positive things and from the few seconds I have seen, she looked very promising. Even if she moved away from music, movies would have been great for her cause the music scene was changing in 2002 and it is true Brandy and Monica's sales slipped too.

Well, I am a fan of BOTH OF THEM(Bey and Aaliyah) so I am very objective when it comes to both of their legacy and yes, both of them have a legacy. I feel One In A Million is one of the classic albums of Contemporary R&B for example. It establishes her template(and yes, I know many will disagree for I have already had that debate on another board about this topic).

As for the neck and neck comment, it depends on what the "standards" are for neck and neck. I don't see ADH selling like Bey because Bey CROSSES OVER with her sound, and unless ADH did that, she wouldn't be selling like Bey. The industry has been in a sales slump since 2003 so therefore to even do 3 mil in the US, especially if you're an Urban Artist is impressive. So Aaliyah wouldn't doing that, but that wouldn't be the goal for her.

What people should know is how INFLUENTIAL she is to Comtemporary R&B. According allmusic.com, she has 24 various acts/artists influenced by her(go to followed). http://www.allmusic.com/artist/p44722 some I am not sure I agree with(Timbaland? He crafted her sound for her. ) but she had that mid tempo, vocal beat riding sound that is pretty influential to today's comtemporary R&B acts and since people want to add Brandy and Monica into the mix, Brandy only has 14 acts influenced by her(as big a seller as she was back in the 90s): http://www.allmusic.com/a...dy-p142547 and Monica, just 10 acts that are influenced by her: http://www.allmusic.com/a...ca-p106830 and if you want to name Alicia, just 12:http://www.allmusic.com/a...ys-p469431 and even Mya(some people try to say that she was bigger than ADH too), just one(Dawn Richard of Dirty Money and Danity Kane fame): http://www.allmusic.com/a...ya-p291307 And don't compare Rihanna to her either because she has none: http://www.allmusic.com/a...na-p704560 ADH and her aren't peers, ADH is above her.

The only with more influence according to allmusic of that generation of teen artists that came into the industry is Beyoncè and that's if you count her DC career also(39 artists, don't count RichGirl because they are both lists): http://www.allmusic.com/a...ld-p278369 and http://www.allmusic.com/a...nc-p349078 So with that in mind, Aaliyah's music is relevant to today's music even with less of a music catalogue then all of them(unfortunately because of her death), and therefore if she was alive, I feel she would have added to that. So from that sense, I could actually see a type of 00s "trinity" with her, Beyoncé and Alicia. She would be an alternative "template" to Bey and though she wouldn't be as "commercially successful" as Bey, she would be acting, singing, and having control of her brand, I believe which what anyone who has been in the industry would ask for. So I get Ginuwine's viewpoint on some level.

trueiopian said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Of course I'm a fan of Janet (going to see her April 16th), but I also have my own opinion

If you're a "fan" then you should know that Janet is versatile as a singer and that no one can sing her songs but her. See: Destiny's Child rape "Let's Wait Awhile" and Brownstone fuck up "That's The Way Love Goes".

I hate to say it being a Beyoncé fan, but you're right. In fairness to Bey though, she's not the same vocalist now that she was back then. She can interpret vocally better now, but vulnerability was never her strongest suit. Look at the moods of this section: http://www.allmusic.com/a...nc-p349078, you will NOT see vulnerability in it, Janet can give vulnerability(even her mood section has reflective which proves my point: http://www.allmusic.com/a...kson-p4572) maybe because of how her tone is vocally. But anyway, yeah, Bey's tone isn't like Janet's and her vocal stylings isn't either so...

119 said:

This whole topic saddens me because it seems to lean towards the idea that only one black woman can be a star at a time. I personally don't care for any of these artists but why can't Brandy, Monica, Ashanti, Ciara, AND Beyonce co exist sucessfully? Why couldn't Aalyiah if she were still around? Frankly, none of them is/was doing anything more merit worthy than the other. They are all r&b/pop musicans. There shouldn't be room for just one.

Oh they do and have. The issue is the "stanwars"(I have been known to participate in a "stan-war" battle or two. ) who have to prove their fave is the best. To be truthful, there would always be among whatever generation of entertainers/musicians/acts/artists in the industry to be the 'Head Girl in charge". Look at the 60s, with Diana Ross and Aretha, you had other acts, but those were the two top women in that era. The 70s were like that too even though there was a lot of variation of black female acts back then. It's always about who's No. #1 no matter what the topic is, that's how America is built.

The issue is...all of the acts you named(except for Ciara and Ashanti, both who are the most in trouble in terms of lasting in the industry believe it or not) debuted in the 90s, all of them have their impact and legacy in the industry and are still relevant whether want to downplay it or not because many of the acts coming into the industry are influenced by them(not just the usual names of acts that people love to use to downplay the impact of those teen acts who debut in the 90s in the industry). It will always be argued who has the most, but that will always happen no matter what generation of artists that is spoken of, but at the end of the day, they all have those things really.

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Pressure said:

She was in fact reaching new heights before she died, Can't see how you guys can deny that.

As someone who was old to wipe their own ass at that time, I remember this quite vivdly. She was doing really well and she, suddenly, passed away. It was sad.