ViintageJunkiie said:

trueiopian said:

Aaliyah was no one's singer and she could never sing songs like "Black Cat" or "Scream, hun. It's no shade but you really needs to stop putting her on a pedestal. It's embarassing now.

I love Janet but Janet can't even sing songs like Black Cat and Scream anymore. Hence the reason why the tracks are pre-recorded. Let's be honest. Last time Janet performed a song LIVE, Aaliyah was still alive.

and thats NO SHADE

This isn't about lip syncing, though. We know Janet is the Queen of lip syncing but the fact remains Janet is versatile with her voice. She can go from whispering about dick to edgy rocker.

MickyDolenz said:

Didn't know you trash threads too.

Lemme join ya:

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Britney album sold 3.6 million.

Red album sold 3.2 million

So your telling me that WNAR sounded like EVERYTHING else that was popular at the time? REALLY? Seriously?

right. so WNAR sounded JUST like these songs that were hits of '01

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lPQZni7I18

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AszPTJXIgM

http://www.youtube.com/wa...0EvXnRxl0w

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2KabvvLF7M

stop being in denial. How many popular artists were putting out dark middle eastern beats in 01? Sure, that "dark" shit is popular now, but when Aaliyah did it it wasn't what was hot in '01. and the fact that you were 12 years old in 01 tells alot. and I never said that RTB was a radio monster (it was JUST RELEASED) Im saying that when she put out a song that followed the trend, her album JUMPED back up the charts. And you don't remember shit. You were only 12 When she died? REALLY?

and who cares if she never went triple plat? She STILL went multiplatninum. The album was selling but Diane made the album out or print because she didn't want them to profit off of her death. Just stop talking. You don't even know the whole situation. Lmao.

Bullshit.

The Britney album sold 4,342,000 copies at Nielsen Soundscan with an additional 588,000 at BMG Music Clubs. If you can't count that's 4,930,000 in total. You need receipts? Here:

http://www.billboard.com/...9083.story

http://www.mi2n.com/press...s_nb=47877

That's nice.

But since Britney was the "mega super pop star" only selling a million more than Aaliyah who is the supposed "flop" , that's nothing to be proud of.

By y'all logic, Britney should have sold 8 million copies, it was 2001, right?

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Monotone? in that clip I posted Aaliyah hitted high notes, low notes, and belted out some pretty decent chest notes. In that Janet clip she stayed in that same shaky ass whispering key struggling as hell.

and of course she never sung rock songs like Janet, since Aaliyah was indeed the superior vocalist.

What does Aaliyah looking up to Jan have to do with her still being a better vocalist?

YES! Monotone! DEAD at high notes, low notes and belts. STOP!

Janet slayed that Rosie performance. Her conviction >>>>

She never sung Rock songs because she's NOT a superior vocalist.

Aaliyah has sung rock songs. (WHat if and I can be)

lmfao @ conviction. WHERE? Maybe if she was singing for a pre-school Lullabye.

Janet could BARELY hang with Ciara vocally now. stop the comedy.

ti deed I

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Britney album sold 3.6 million.

Red album sold 3.2 million

So your telling me that WNAR sounded like EVERYTHING else that was popular at the time? REALLY? Seriously?

right. so WNAR sounded JUST like these songs that were hits of '01

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lPQZni7I18

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AszPTJXIgM

http://www.youtube.com/wa...0EvXnRxl0w

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2KabvvLF7M

stop being in denial. How many popular artists were putting out dark middle eastern beats in 01? Sure, that "dark" shit is popular now, but when Aaliyah did it it wasn't what was hot in '01. and the fact that you were 12 years old in 01 tells alot. and I never said that RTB was a radio monster (it was JUST RELEASED) Im saying that when she put out a song that followed the trend, her album JUMPED back up the charts. And you don't remember shit. You were only 12 When she died? REALLY?

and who cares if she never went triple plat? She STILL went multiplatninum. The album was selling but Diane made the album out or print because she didn't want them to profit off of her death. Just stop talking. You don't even know the whole situation. Lmao.

Bullshit.

The Britney album sold 4,342,000 copies at Nielsen Soundscan with an additional 588,000 at BMG Music Clubs. If you can't count that's 4,930,000 in total. You need receipts? Here:

http://www.billboard.com/...9083.story

http://www.mi2n.com/press...s_nb=47877

Why does he or she keep bringing up successful icons?

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

YES! Monotone! DEAD at high notes, low notes and belts. STOP!

Janet slayed that Rosie performance. Her conviction >>>>

She never sung Rock songs because she's NOT a superior vocalist.

Aaliyah has sung rock songs. (WHat if and I can be)

lmfao @ conviction. WHERE? Maybe if she was singing for a pre-school Lullabye.

Janet could BARELY hang with Ciara vocally now. stop the comedy.

Those were hardly Rock and she still sounded a mumbling mess.

Yea, you're mad.

Ciara? Is that a soda? and yes, I wish you would stop with the comedy but at the same time I don't want you to. It's cracking me up!

trueiopian said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I love Janet but Janet can't even sing songs like Black Cat and Scream anymore. Hence the reason why the tracks are pre-recorded. Let's be honest. Last time Janet performed a song LIVE, Aaliyah was still alive.

and thats NO SHADE

This isn't about lip syncing, though. We know Janet is the Queen of lip syncing but the fact remains Janet is versatile with her voice. She can go from whispering about dick to edgy rocker.

WAIT, why did Black Cat just start playing on my iTunes?!

Anywho, I don't really see any versatility with Jan's voice. Anyone can sing her songs

Timmy84 said:

Didn't know you trash threads too.

This thread is like something from MJJC. People arguing about silly statistics that nobody can prove anyway. Just numbers put out by the record companies and/or magazines. Who cares? It has nothing to do with anything. I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet (just like the ones that are actually about music).

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Didn't know you trash threads too.

This thread is like something from MJJC. People arguing about silly statistics that nobody can prove anyway. Just numbers put out by the record companies and/or magazines. Who cares? It has nothing to do with anything. I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet (just like the ones that are actually about music).

It is ain't it?!

But yeah, the music threads don't last as long as this son of a bitch does.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Aaliyah has sung rock songs. (WHat if and I can be)

lmfao @ conviction. WHERE? Maybe if she was singing for a pre-school Lullabye.

Janet could BARELY hang with Ciara vocally now. stop the comedy.

Those were hardly Rock and she still sounded a mumbling mess.

Yea, you're mad.

Ciara? Is that a soda? and yes, I wish you would stop with the comedy but at the same time I don't want you to. It's cracking me up!

lol @ mumbling

http://www.youtube.com/wa...xnc0c_U3NE

the riffs and runs She did @ 1:51-2:24 Janet could never. She would literally choke trying to get out of that chipmunk tone to even attempt.

I think if Aaliyah was still here, she'd be the most popular female artist out right now, that everybody else would be playing catch-up.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

This thread is like something from MJJC. People arguing about silly statistics that nobody can prove anyway. Just numbers put out by the record companies and/or magazines. Who cares? It has nothing to do with anything. I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet (just like the ones that are actually about music).

It is ain't it?!

But yeah, the music threads don't last as long as this son of a bitch does.

Don't forget the gossip threads.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

It is ain't it?!

But yeah, the music threads don't last as long as this son of a bitch does.

Don't forget the gossip threads.

this thread IS a mess. This was about Aaliyah and Bey and of course, the Jacksons always find a way to slip into the mix. SNEEEAKY!

ViintageJunkiie said:

trueiopian said:

This isn't about lip syncing, though. We know Janet is the Queen of lip syncing but the fact remains Janet is versatile with her voice. She can go from whispering about dick to edgy rocker.

WAIT, why did Black Cat just start playing on my iTunes?!

Anywho, I don't really see any versatility with Jan's voice. Anyone can sing her songs

Then you're not a fan.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Those were hardly Rock and she still sounded a mumbling mess.

Yea, you're mad.

Ciara? Is that a soda? and yes, I wish you would stop with the comedy but at the same time I don't want you to. It's cracking me up!

lol @ mumbling

http://www.youtube.com/wa...xnc0c_U3NE

the riffs and runs She did @ 1:51-2:24 Janet could never. She would literally choke trying to get out of that chipmunk tone to even attempt.

DEAD at riffs and runs.

Just stop. Mumbling doesn't equate to actual singing.

ViintageJunkiie said:

this thread IS a mess. This was about Aaliyah and Bey and of course, the Jacksons always find a way to slip into the mix. SNEEEAKY!

[img:$uid]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Joseph%20Jackson%20Press%20Conference%20Madrid%20TFKvA1J85Hxl.jpg[/img:$uid]

"That was my plan all along. These hussies ain't as good as my daughter Janet."

[Edited 3/22/11 11:22am]

trueiopian said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

WAIT, why did Black Cat just start playing on my iTunes?!

Anywho, I don't really see any versatility with Jan's voice. Anyone can sing her songs

Then you're not a fan.

Of course I'm a fan of Janet (going to see her April 16th), but I also have my own opinion

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

Bullshit.

The Britney album sold 4,342,000 copies at Nielsen Soundscan with an additional 588,000 at BMG Music Clubs. If you can't count that's 4,930,000 in total. You need receipts? Here:

http://www.billboard.com/...9083.story

http://www.mi2n.com/press...s_nb=47877

That's nice.

But since Britney was the "mega super pop star" only selling a million more than Aaliyah who is the supposed "flop" , that's nothing to be proud of.

By y'all logic, Britney should have sold 8 million copies, it was 2001, right?

The gap would have been more than 3 million had she lived. She was gonna flop.

Clear Channel banned Britney from U.S. radio in 01 because they weren't chosen to sponsor her Dream Within A Dream Tour. So, all of her singles from that era bombed but she was still able to go quadruple-platinum. It was actually something to be very proud of.

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

this thread IS a mess. This was about Aaliyah and Bey and of course, the Jacksons always find a way to slip into the mix. SNEEEAKY!

[img:$uid]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Joseph%20Jackson%20Press%20Conference%20Madrid%20TFKvA1J85Hxl.jpg[/img:$uid]

"That was my plan all along. These hussies ain't as good as my daughter Janet."

[Edited 3/22/11 11:22am]

ViintageJunkiie said:

trueiopian said:

Then you're not a fan.

Of course I'm a fan of Janet (going to see her April 16th), but I also have my own opinion

If you're a "fan" then you should know that Janet is versatile as a singer and that no one can sing her songs but her. See: Destiny's Child rape "Let's Wait Awhile" and Brownstone fuck up "That's The Way Love Goes".

trueiopian said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Of course I'm a fan of Janet (going to see her April 16th), but I also have my own opinion

If you're a "fan" then you should know that Janet is versatile as a singer and that no one can sing her songs but her. See: Destiny's Child rape "Let's Wait Awhile" and Brownstone fuck up "That's The Way Love Goes".

No one is gonna sing a song just like Janet, and I wouldn't want them to. My point is, none of her songs are "challenging". No one is gonna say "oh I don't think I can hit that note on this Janet record"

ViintageJunkiie said:

trueiopian said:

If you're a "fan" then you should know that Janet is versatile as a singer and that no one can sing her songs but her. See: Destiny's Child rape "Let's Wait Awhile" and Brownstone fuck up "That's The Way Love Goes".

No one is gonna sing a song just like Janet, and I wouldn't want them to. My point is, none of her songs are "challenging". No one is gonna say "oh I don't think I can hit that note on this Janet record"

Songs can still be challenging without the crazy runs and transitions.

trueiopian said:

musicjunky318 said:

Bullshit.

The Britney album sold 4,342,000 copies at Nielsen Soundscan with an additional 588,000 at BMG Music Clubs. If you can't count that's 4,930,000 in total. You need receipts? Here:

http://www.billboard.com/...9083.story

http://www.mi2n.com/press...s_nb=47877

Why does he or she keep bringing up successful icons?

Aaliyah stans are jealous of everyone who was more successful than her. They use her death as this sort of shield where you can't say anything about her at all. If you don't agree that she was an icon and a legend when she died you're a hater. If you present them with facts showing she wasn't that big of a deal you're an idiot because she was about to "BLOW UP!" They go around creeping into threads with no purpose other than attack, (Beyonce, Janet, and Ciara are their three main victims) they create these DUMB "What if 'Baby Girl' was here...?" scenarios, and are just ignorant to what was reality at the time of her passing.

They are annoying AS HELL.

Aaliyah was really cool and she had beats that were different from her female counterparts like Brandy and Monica and she had a really unique style. Most people that were fans of hers I found were those heavily into r&b and hip hop that were a young audience in their teens and 20's and early 30's. Brandy and Monica were much more popular though and for the pop and r&b audiences. I listened to Brandy the most, followed by Monica then Aaliyah, but liked her a lot anyways and remember girls trying to part their hair like hers. I was so shocked on the day she died and won't forget what I was doing and all. I thought it's not real and has to be one of her new acting roles, but it was on the news time to time throughout the day.

I do remember not liking the new album right away either the way I loved One In a Million and her follow-up soundtrack singles with amazing choreography, but thought I would get it later on. I got it sometime after her death and it eventually grew on me and now I like it better than One In a Million though it's silly to compare. I also remember her mom pulling the albums.

As for the topic title, I think Beyonce and Aaliyah were different from one another, I'm not sure if Aaliyah would have been the one competing with Beyonce. I think she would have continued putting out albums and selling about the same as her first 3 and possibly blown up around the mid 00's when Timbaland in my opinion peaked musically with his beats. Maybe the kind of beats that went to Nelly Furtado and Justin would have gone to Aaliyah and made her mainstream, kind of like how Usher blew up with Confessions.

I have not watched Aaliyah's movies, but have heard really positive things and from the few seconds I have seen, she looked very promising. Even if she moved away from music, movies would have been great for her cause the music scene was changing in 2002 and it is true Brandy and Monica's sales slipped too.

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

That's nice.

But since Britney was the "mega super pop star" only selling a million more than Aaliyah who is the supposed "flop" , that's nothing to be proud of.

By y'all logic, Britney should have sold 8 million copies, it was 2001, right?

The gap would have been more than 3 million had she lived. She was gonna flop.

Clear Channel banned Britney from U.S. radio in 01 because they weren't chosen to sponsor her Dream Within A Dream Tour. So, all of her singles from that era bombed but she was still able to go quadruple-platinum. It was actually something to be very proud of.

Oh, excuses.

My have the tables have turned.

Fact is Britney is the MEGASTAR, it was 2001, It should have went DIAMOND, sold PLATNINUM first week like Nsync and Backstreet Boys. But, by you and trupion's logic. Britney was a flop. She too was OUTSOLD By Usher, DC, Alicia, Keys, J-lo, etc. SO by YOUR logic, Britney was a flop. Because she didn't sell as much as them.

But again, can you explain how was it gonna flop again? when it was already Gold and going back up the charts?

Especially since it was already selling FASTER than ALREADY PLATINUM OIAM and AANBAN.

[Edited 3/22/11 11:56am]