I don't think Aaliayah could of ever been competion for Beyonce. I think she was too humble fot that. Like people were saying, liyah never had the promotion the Beyonce did and i think the biggest difference between them is that Beyonce is all about the sex appeal to sell albums and tickets, and Aaliyah was never about that, i mean she rarely wore dresses and skirts.

There's also the lace front wigs Aaliyah never needed.

But i have to disagree with alot of people when it comes to her voice,

listen to the change at 1:28. Ciara, Janet, and Mya could never belt like that!

MickyDolenz said:

mimi07 said:

The trio released their self-titled debut in 1998

Is that right?

Whoa Look at how drastically different Beyonce looked back then...all natural. Now???

You'd think Beyonce's SALES are going to these people's pockets the way they make a fuss about it

Now as far as music? I truly believe that had Babygirl lived, she would've given a much more interesting body of work than Beyonce(who has always been about the formula and whats hot rather than give in to her own creativity). Babygirl was the one who introduced Timbaland & Missy to the world, had it not been for her, they would've been under DeVante's firm hands, I understand why Ginuwine was rooting her, he too was one of the crew under DeVante's hands, and when Timbo & Missy broke out with "One In A Million", those folks from DC & Virginia came outta the woodwork between 96-2000, so I'll give her that.

As for sales, Aaliyah has NEVER been a massive seller and I don't think she'll ever be had she lived because it didn't seem to me like she had the desire to be one. She has always struck me as somebody who'd rather take it easy, have fun & enjoy what they're doing and hopefully see that energy rub off on people,,,,which it did. Another reason why she probably won't be a big seller is the fact that she has never overstated her welcome and hopped on eeeeeeevery media outlet, cheap or otherwise, for the sake of self-promotion, don't get me wrong she was guilty to a reasonable degree like alot of those artists in order to survive but she has always avoided overexposure. In fact, I bet you have never been hackled with an Aaliyah overkill prior to her death.

Now Beyonce on the other hand,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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One of my favourite music journalists, Alexis Petridis, wrote a good piece just after her death, which more or less sums up my take on this topic.

The Princess of Risk

Alexis Petridis

The Guardian, 31st August 2001

Most of the tributes paid after Aaliyah Haughton's death on Saturday night made some reference to the 22-year-old singer's potential to become a major star. One in particular, from her former publicist Bill Carpenter, stood out. Carpenter told reporters that as a result of Aaliyah's death, "black entertainment... has lost the woman who would have eventually become the Diana Ross or Whitney Houston of the twenty-something generation".

The implication is that Aaliyah was on the cusp of becoming a cosy all-round family entertainer for whom music was merely a minor concern. Bearing in mind that she had three film projects pending at the time of her death, it seems a fair assumption. If her career had taken that path, however, it would have been pop's loss.

Aaliyah could certainly act, but her first major film, last year's slick martial-arts thriller Romeo Must Die, was hardly cutting-edge cinema. By contrast, the song she recorded for the soundtrack, Try Again, was one of the most remarkable and forward-thinking pop singles of 2000. Her frequent collaborator, producer and songwriter Tim "Timbaland" Mosely, constructed a sparse, audacious sound around Aaliyah's honeyed voice: disembodied backing vocals, electronically treated string and flute samples, speaker-rumbling bass, and the sort of grinding synthesiser riff more usually found on late-1980s acid-house records. The overall effect managed to be mould-breaking, slightly sinister and effortlessly commercial at the same time.

Timbaland and Aaliyah had repeated the trick on recent hit We Need a Resolution. Compared to most of the records it featured alongside on daytime pop radio - indeed, compared to most records that are currently passed off as "alternative" - We Need a Resolution sounded like an unhinged experiment in sound, one that just happened to have an insistent, catchy chorus attached.

While Aaliyah neither wrote nor produced her own material (the strangeness of her recent singles was Timbaland's work), she was prepared to release musically risky singles into a notoriously fickle pop market. In interviews conducted earlier this year, Aaliyah was discussing a bizarre-sounding collaboration with Trent Reznor of industrial gloom-mongers Nine Inch Nails: hardly the behaviour of an artist concerned about conforming to the stereotypes of the marketplace.

In fact, Aaliyah belonged to a select band of black American artists - also including Missy "Misdemeanour" Elliot, Destiny's Child and Kelis - whose singles gracefully walk a line between commerciality and experimentation. Their records are never burdened by self-concious artiness. Singles such as We Need a Resolution, Kelis's Caught Out There and Elliot's Get Ur Freak On were designed to make the charts, not to impress the avant-garde. Their route to the top 10 was simply via ear-grabbing originality, rather than slavish imitation of current trends. [...]

The concept of a major pop act taking any kind of musical risk, in fact, is utterly alien in the UK. Here, the notion of a groundbreaking or experimental pop single seems oxymoronic. "Pop" has become an insult. It is mocked by august figures such as Bono and George Michael, and artistically devalued to the point where no one bothers seriously discussing the music any more. Press for pop artists is generated by new haircuts, outfits and stunts. [...]

When a star dies early, their career still in the ascendant, the tendency is to eulogise them for their unfulfilled potential. Aaliyah may indeed have become a Hollywood star, the "Diana Ross or Whitney Houston of the twentysomething generation", slipping into a long and comfortable career as a middle-of-the-road entertainer. The handful of records she made in recent years, however, are a fitting epitaph in themselves. They're pop music as the Beatles or David Bowie would understand it: a perfect balance of commercial appeal and futuristic innovation. At a time when pop is at its lowest critical ebb for years, Aaliyah's records proved that there's more to life than Hear'Say*.

*Hear'Say were a pitiful manufactured pop band, produced in the first wave of American Idol-style shows around the time the article was written.

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...popandrock

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musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

It really isn't excuses. Besides, Britney's album in 2001 UNDERPERFORMED anyway, BARELY selling much more than Aaliyah's red album anyway.

The rest of them (DC, Janet, etc) all followed the trend of 2001 while Aaliyah went left field and put out an arabic gothic song for her first single. Give her credit for at least taking that risk. You seem like a hater but you can't sit and tell me that WNAR sounded like anything that was hot in 2001. No one adjusted to that sound she was doing but loved RTB (which is why the album started climbing back up the charts, which is the fact that you keep dancing around and avoiding)

But since you guys like to only tell one side of the story I'll end it here.

Barely? The Britney album almost doubled the Aaliyah CD in sales. What do you mean barely? And again, she only went double platinum due to her death. Had she lived it wouldn't have crossed a million.

An "arabic gothic song?" It was another Timbaland track. What was so left field about it? And "Rock The Boat" was released 14 days before her passing. It's not like it was this huge monster at radio weeks prior. Radio runs (when someone has a hit) last months. Interest was only kicked up because of the tragedy. I remember all of this very clearly. They world-premiered the footage & video on BET, everybody was all of a sudden die-hard 'Liyah fans...But even after all of it she still couldn't go triple platinum.

Britney album sold 3.6 million.

Red album sold 3.2 million

So your telling me that WNAR sounded like EVERYTHING else that was popular at the time? REALLY? Seriously?

right. so WNAR sounded JUST like these songs that were hits of '01

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lPQZni7I18

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AszPTJXIgM

http://www.youtube.com/wa...0EvXnRxl0w

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2KabvvLF7M

stop being in denial. How many popular artists were putting out dark middle eastern beats in 01? Sure, that "dark" shit is popular now, but when Aaliyah did it it wasn't what was hot in '01. and the fact that you were 12 years old in 01 tells alot. and I never said that RTB was a radio monster (it was JUST RELEASED) Im saying that when she put out a song that followed the trend, her album JUMPED back up the charts. And you don't remember shit. You were only 12 When she died? REALLY?

and who cares if she never went triple plat? She STILL went multiplatninum. The album was selling but Diane made the album out or print because she didn't want them to profit off of her death. Just stop talking. You don't even know the whole situation. Lmao.

deebee said:

One of my favourite music journalists, Alexis Petridis, wrote a good piece just after her death, which more or less sums up my take on this topic.

The Princess of Risk

Alexis Petridis

The Guardian, 31st August 2001

Most of the tributes paid after Aaliyah Haughton's death on Saturday night made some reference to the 22-year-old singer's potential to become a major star. One in particular, from her former publicist Bill Carpenter, stood out. Carpenter told reporters that as a result of Aaliyah's death, "black entertainment... has lost the woman who would have eventually become the Diana Ross or Whitney Houston of the twenty-something generation".

The implication is that Aaliyah was on the cusp of becoming a cosy all-round family entertainer for whom music was merely a minor concern. Bearing in mind that she had three film projects pending at the time of her death, it seems a fair assumption. If her career had taken that path, however, it would have been pop's loss.

Aaliyah could certainly act, but her first major film, last year's slick martial-arts thriller Romeo Must Die, was hardly cutting-edge cinema. By contrast, the song she recorded for the soundtrack, Try Again, was one of the most remarkable and forward-thinking pop singles of 2000. Her frequent collaborator, producer and songwriter Tim "Timbaland" Mosely, constructed a sparse, audacious sound around Aaliyah's honeyed voice: disembodied backing vocals, electronically treated string and flute samples, speaker-rumbling bass, and the sort of grinding synthesiser riff more usually found on late-1980s acid-house records. The overall effect managed to be mould-breaking, slightly sinister and effortlessly commercial at the same time.

Timbaland and Aaliyah had repeated the trick on recent hit We Need a Resolution. Compared to most of the records it featured alongside on daytime pop radio - indeed, compared to most records that are currently passed off as "alternative" - We Need a Resolution sounded like an unhinged experiment in sound, one that just happened to have an insistent, catchy chorus attached.

While Aaliyah neither wrote nor produced her own material (the strangeness of her recent singles was Timbaland's work), she was prepared to release musically risky singles into a notoriously fickle pop market. In interviews conducted earlier this year, Aaliyah was discussing a bizarre-sounding collaboration with Trent Reznor of industrial gloom-mongers Nine Inch Nails: hardly the behaviour of an artist concerned about conforming to the stereotypes of the marketplace.

In fact, Aaliyah belonged to a select band of black American artists - also including Missy "Misdemeanour" Elliot, Destiny's Child and Kelis - whose singles gracefully walk a line between commerciality and experimentation. Their records are never burdened by self-concious artiness. Singles such as We Need a Resolution, Kelis's Caught Out There and Elliot's Get Ur Freak On were designed to make the charts, not to impress the avant-garde. Their route to the top 10 was simply via ear-grabbing originality, rather than slavish imitation of current trends. [...]

The concept of a major pop act taking any kind of musical risk, in fact, is utterly alien in the UK. Here, the notion of a groundbreaking or experimental pop single seems oxymoronic. "Pop" has become an insult. It is mocked by august figures such as Bono and George Michael, and artistically devalued to the point where no one bothers seriously discussing the music any more. Press for pop artists is generated by new haircuts, outfits and stunts. [...]

When a star dies early, their career still in the ascendant, the tendency is to eulogise them for their unfulfilled potential. Aaliyah may indeed have become a Hollywood star, the "Diana Ross or Whitney Houston of the twentysomething generation", slipping into a long and comfortable career as a middle-of-the-road entertainer. The handful of records she made in recent years, however, are a fitting epitaph in themselves. They're pop music as the Beatles or David Bowie would understand it: a perfect balance of commercial appeal and futuristic innovation. At a time when pop is at its lowest critical ebb for years, Aaliyah's records proved that there's more to life than Hear'Say*.

*Hear'Say were a pitiful manufactured pop band, produced in the first wave of American Idol-style shows around the time the article was written.

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...popandrock

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That was the the point I was making that old MusicDUMMY couldn't comprehend. The fact that he/she said that WNAR "followed the trend of 01" makes his argument look stupid as fuck.

trueiopian said:

at Aaliyah going "left field". Sorry but I can't take you seriously.

Truiopion (whatever that shit is spelled) You are definetly angry @ Aaliyah for some reason. Every Aaliyah thread you bashin the poor girl. Why?

Oh and that's right resort to the predictable "Why is you hatin' gorl" argument because you can't handle the truth.

I don't "hate" anyone and why in the world do you keep bringing Janet up? I don't 'stan' for her. Epic fail. Stanning is what you're doing and I'm not going to argue with you. It's clear as day that you're just another trolling stan looking for trouble.

Dummy, So WNAR sounded like the hits of 01? Did it sound like U don't have to call? Independent WOman? All for you? Love don't cost a thing? answer the question. Enlighten me, please.

WNAR may sound like something from now, but back in 01 that song was TOTALLY different from what was booming on radio in "01.

and you didn't speak truth. You are in EVERY Aaliyah thread bashing the girl. If you don't like her, why waste the time? I don't get it. Your opinions and arguments about her are so one sided and bias it's ridiculous.

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Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Lol, not in 2001.

Going Gold off ONE single is an achievment. Are you serious?

Y'all are overexaggerating. Y'all make it seem like Aaliyah put out 10 singles, promoted it, went on tour, and her album still flopped. It was only ONE single out at the time. She didn't even kick up promo yet and for the 50th time.. when RTB impacted Radio it climbed UP the charts.. but you guys are ignoring that fact, right?

No one's gonna answer?

*waits for musicdummy and truethiopian to say That being scanned for 500k Copies in less than a month is a flop*

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Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

at Aaliyah going "left field". Sorry but I can't take you seriously.

Oh and that's right resort to the predictable "Why is you hatin' gorl" argument because you can't handle the truth.

I don't "hate" anyone and why in the world do you keep bringing Janet up? I don't 'stan' for her. Epic fail. Stanning is what you're doing and I'm not going to argue with you. It's clear as day that you're just another trolling stan looking for trouble.

Dummy, So WNAR sounded like the hits of 01? Did it sound like U don't have to call? Independent WOman? All for you? Love don't cost a thing? answer the question. Enlighten me, please.

WNAR may sound like something from now, but back in 01 that song was TOTALLY different from what was booming on radio in "01.

and you didn't speak truth. You are in EVERY Aaliyah thread bashing the girl. If you don't like her, why waste the time? I don't get it. Your opinions and arguments about her are so one sided and bias it's ridiculous.

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DEAD at all those edits. Poor you.

WNAR sounds like any other R&B song. It's not "left field".

I speak the truth and you will deal. Every Aaliyah thread? No one here hardly ever talks about and I don't bash her. Just because I'm not co-signing with your deluded ass doesn't mean I'm "bashing". One sided and biased?

Ugh. Why are Aaliyah fans so touchy?

Knowing how fickle the culture is she would be a hasbeen. Look at TLC. Bad example.lol

Essayvee said:

I don't think Aaliayah could of ever been competion for Beyonce. I think she was too humble fot that. Like people were saying, liyah never had the promotion the Beyonce did and i think the biggest difference between them is that Beyonce is all about the sex appeal to sell albums and tickets, and Aaliyah was never about that, i mean she rarely wore dresses and skirts.

There's also the lace front wigs Aaliyah never needed.

But i have to disagree with alot of people when it comes to her voice,

listen to the change at 1:28. Ciara, Janet, and Mya could never belt like that!

at "belt like that". Too much.

Pressure said:

Pressure said:

Going Gold off ONE single is an achievment. Are you serious?

Y'all are overexaggerating. Y'all make it seem like Aaliyah put out 10 singles, promoted it, went on tour, and her album still flopped. It was only ONE single out at the time. She didn't even kick up promo yet and for the 50th time.. when RTB impacted Radio it climbed UP the charts.. but you guys are ignoring that fact, right?

No one's gonna answer?

*waits for musicdummy and truethiopian to say That being scanned for 500k Copies in less than a month is a flop*

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One single? We Need a Resolution, More than a Woman and Rock the Boat were all singles. She had 2 singles out before going Gold.

trueiopian said:

Essayvee said:

I don't think Aaliayah could of ever been competion for Beyonce. I think she was too humble fot that. Like people were saying, liyah never had the promotion the Beyonce did and i think the biggest difference between them is that Beyonce is all about the sex appeal to sell albums and tickets, and Aaliyah was never about that, i mean she rarely wore dresses and skirts.

There's also the lace front wigs Aaliyah never needed.

But i have to disagree with alot of people when it comes to her voice,

listen to the change at 1:28. Ciara, Janet, and Mya could never belt like that!

at "belt like that". Too much.

Aaliyah was indeed a better singer than Janet

Janet dance better, but come on. be real.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

No one's gonna answer?

*waits for musicdummy and truethiopian to say That being scanned for 500k Copies in less than a month is a flop*

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One single? We Need a Resolution, More than a Woman and Rock the Boat were all singles. She had 2 singles out before going Gold.

No boo.

WNAR Came out in april. Album dropped July. MTAW was sent to radio the last week of July for a week but was scrapped because RTB was getting airplay without it being officially released. I guess you could say that RTB was the second single but it wasn't sent in to radio when she was alive, it was just getting a couple spins on its own.

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trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Dummy, So WNAR sounded like the hits of 01? Did it sound like U don't have to call? Independent WOman? All for you? Love don't cost a thing? answer the question. Enlighten me, please.

WNAR may sound like something from now, but back in 01 that song was TOTALLY different from what was booming on radio in "01.

and you didn't speak truth. You are in EVERY Aaliyah thread bashing the girl. If you don't like her, why waste the time? I don't get it. Your opinions and arguments about her are so one sided and bias it's ridiculous.

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DEAD at all those edits. Poor you.

WNAR sounds like any other R&B song. It's not "left field".

I speak the truth and you will deal. Every Aaliyah thread? No one here hardly ever talks about and I don't bash her. Just because I'm not co-signing with your deluded ass doesn't mean I'm "bashing". One sided and biased?

Ugh. Why are Aaliyah fans so touchy?

DELUSIONAL. WNAR does NOT sound like those songs I named. I could understand and agree if you said Try Again, MTAW, RTB, but WNAR was DIFFERENT than what was hot in 01. You really just proved my point. ONE SIDED. The fact that you think Janet sings better than AAliyah (a joke) definetly says alot. No one talks about her much here, but when there is a thread you are DEFINETLY in there throwing your little shade. Why?

and lists songs that was out in 01 that sounds like WNAR (that topped the charts at that)

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

DEAD at all those edits. Poor you.

WNAR sounds like any other R&B song. It's not "left field".

I speak the truth and you will deal. Every Aaliyah thread? No one here hardly ever talks about and I don't bash her. Just because I'm not co-signing with your deluded ass doesn't mean I'm "bashing". One sided and biased?

Ugh. Why are Aaliyah fans so touchy?

DELUSIONAL. WNAR does NOT sound like those songs I named. I could understand and agree if you said Try Again, MTAW, RTB, but WNAR was DIFFERENT than what was hot in 01. You really just proved my point. ONE SIDED. The fact that you think Janet sings better than AAliyah (a joke) definetly says alot. No one talks about her much here, but when there is a thread you are DEFINETLY in there throwing your little shade. Why?

and lists songs that was out in 01 that sounds like WNAR (that topped the charts at that)

I never said it sounds like those songs, genius. I said that WNAR sounds like a typical R&B song. It's not "left field" at all.

So I'm one sided for not co-signing with you? You got issues, hun. Learn to accept the fact that not everyone is clouded with the same stan delusions as you.

Once again, why do you keep bringing Janet up? What's your obsession with her? You can't defend your girl without bringing up a legend?

I've only been in 2 other Aaliyah threads and I wasn't shading her.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

at "belt like that". Too much.

Aaliyah was indeed a better singer than Janet

Janet dance better, but come on. be real.

Aaliyah was no one's singer and she could never sing songs like "Black Cat" or "Scream, hun. It's no shade but you really needs to stop putting her on a pedestal. It's embarassing now.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Aaliyah was indeed a better singer than Janet

Janet dance better, but come on. be real.

Aaliyah was no one's singer and she could never sing songs like "Black Cat" or "Scream, hun. It's no shade but you really needs to stop putting her on a pedestal. It's embarassing now.

Aaliyah has already sung songs like that (I can be, and what if)

and live Janet was a whispering mess.

I mean compare

http://www.youtube.com/wa...OdINxvEun4

to

http://www.youtube.com/wa..._1j3m-a8KA

Even Aaliyah's "soft voice" had a more polished tone than Janet's.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...L9NXNDYT3Q

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

DELUSIONAL. WNAR does NOT sound like those songs I named. I could understand and agree if you said Try Again, MTAW, RTB, but WNAR was DIFFERENT than what was hot in 01. You really just proved my point. ONE SIDED. The fact that you think Janet sings better than AAliyah (a joke) definetly says alot. No one talks about her much here, but when there is a thread you are DEFINETLY in there throwing your little shade. Why?

and lists songs that was out in 01 that sounds like WNAR (that topped the charts at that)

I never said it sounds like those songs, genius. I said that WNAR sounds like a typical R&B song. It's not "left field" at all.

So I'm one sided for not co-signing with you? You got issues, hun. Learn to accept the fact that not everyone is clouded with the same stan delusions as you.

Once again, why do you keep bringing Janet up? What's your obsession with her? You can't defend your girl without bringing up a legend?

I've only been in 2 other Aaliyah threads and I wasn't shading her.

Okay, list songs that sond JUST like wnar in '01 that topped the charts. Please.

Your one sided because your logic is only covieniet for YOU. 'Oh going gold is a flop" "Her album was flopping" knowing damn well it wasn;t.

If her FIRST TWO ALBUMS COULDN'T REACH THE TOP 20 BUT STILL WENT MULTIPLATNUM, what does that tell you?

If Aaliyah put out 10 singles, promoted them, went on tour, still flopped, I would agree with you but that wasn't the case. The era was still new to judge the fate of it, especially since it was CLIMBING BACK UP THE CHARTS (which you and music junkies dance around that fact)

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Aaliyah was no one's singer and she could never sing songs like "Black Cat" or "Scream, hun. It's no shade but you really needs to stop putting her on a pedestal. It's embarassing now.

Aaliyah has already sung songs like that (I can be, and what if)

and live Janet was a whispering mess.

I mean compare

http://www.youtube.com/wa...OdINxvEun4

to

http://www.youtube.com/wa..._1j3m-a8KA

Even Aaliyah's "soft voice" had a more polished tone than Janet's.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...L9NXNDYT3Q

You're crazy! She hasn't sang Rock songs like Janet has, hun.

Janet's IGL performance on the Rosie show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm not here for monotone moaning. I'd take Janet's whispering ass anyday over that. Besides you should stop comparing a regular girl like Aaliyah to a legend that she looked up to. It's too silly.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

I never said it sounds like those songs, genius. I said that WNAR sounds like a typical R&B song. It's not "left field" at all.

So I'm one sided for not co-signing with you? You got issues, hun. Learn to accept the fact that not everyone is clouded with the same stan delusions as you.

Once again, why do you keep bringing Janet up? What's your obsession with her? You can't defend your girl without bringing up a legend?

I've only been in 2 other Aaliyah threads and I wasn't shading her.

Okay, list songs that sond JUST like wnar in '01 that topped the charts. Please.

Your one sided because your logic is only covieniet for YOU. 'Oh going gold is a flop" "Her album was flopping" knowing damn well it wasn;t.

If her FIRST TWO ALBUMS COULDN'T REACH THE TOP 20 BUT STILL WENT MULTIPLATNUM, what does that tell you?

If Aaliyah put out 10 singles, promoted them, went on tour, still flopped, I would agree with you but that wasn't the case. The era was still new to judge the fate of it, especially since it was CLIMBING BACK UP THE CHARTS (which you and music junkies dance around that fact)

Once again, I said WNAR sounds like a typical R&B song. Nothing "left field".

You mean convenient and I said her album didn't do well compared to other artists out at the time. Mind you she only pushed 306k the week after her passing. Did the album even reach 5 million?

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Aaliyah has already sung songs like that (I can be, and what if)

and live Janet was a whispering mess.

I mean compare

http://www.youtube.com/wa...OdINxvEun4

to

http://www.youtube.com/wa..._1j3m-a8KA

Even Aaliyah's "soft voice" had a more polished tone than Janet's.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...L9NXNDYT3Q

You're crazy! She hasn't sang Rock songs like Janet has, hun.

Janet's IGL performance on the Rosie show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm not here for monotone moaning. I'd take Janet's whispering ass anyday over that. Besides you should stop comparing a regular girl like Aaliyah to a legend that she looked up to. It's too silly.

Monotone? in that clip I posted Aaliyah hitted high notes, low notes, and belted out some pretty decent chest notes. In that Janet clip she stayed in that same shaky ass whispering key struggling as hell.

and of course she never sung rock songs like Janet, since Aaliyah was indeed the superior vocalist.

What does Aaliyah looking up to Jan have to do with her still being a better vocalist?

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Okay, list songs that sond JUST like wnar in '01 that topped the charts. Please.

Your one sided because your logic is only covieniet for YOU. 'Oh going gold is a flop" "Her album was flopping" knowing damn well it wasn;t.

If her FIRST TWO ALBUMS COULDN'T REACH THE TOP 20 BUT STILL WENT MULTIPLATNUM, what does that tell you?

If Aaliyah put out 10 singles, promoted them, went on tour, still flopped, I would agree with you but that wasn't the case. The era was still new to judge the fate of it, especially since it was CLIMBING BACK UP THE CHARTS (which you and music junkies dance around that fact)

Once again, I said WNAR sounds like a typical R&B song. Nothing "left field".

You mean convenient and I said her album didn't do well compared to other artists out at the time. Mind you she only pushed 306k the week after her passing. Did the album even reach 5 million?

again, post songs that sound similar to WNAR that topped the charts in '01.

and she rose to # 1. But that's still a flop?

The album sold over 3 million copies and over 10 mill WW (sold nearly as much as All For you and Britney album), it was STILL selling but her mother pulled it off of the shelves and the rest of her albums

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Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

You're crazy! She hasn't sang Rock songs like Janet has, hun.

Janet's IGL performance on the Rosie show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm not here for monotone moaning. I'd take Janet's whispering ass anyday over that. Besides you should stop comparing a regular girl like Aaliyah to a legend that she looked up to. It's too silly.

Monotone? in that clip I posted Aaliyah hitted high notes, low notes, and belted out some pretty decent chest notes. In that Janet clip she stayed in that same shaky ass whispering key struggling as hell.

and of course she never sung rock songs like Janet, since Aaliyah was indeed the superior vocalist.

What does Aaliyah looking up to Jan have to do with her still being a better vocalist?

YES! Monotone! DEAD at high notes, low notes and belts. STOP!

Janet slayed that Rosie performance. Her conviction >>>>

She never sung Rock songs because she's NOT a superior vocalist.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Once again, I said WNAR sounds like a typical R&B song. Nothing "left field".

You mean convenient and I said her album didn't do well compared to other artists out at the time. Mind you she only pushed 306k the week after her passing. Did the album even reach 5 million?

again, post songs that sound similar to WNAR that topped the charts in '01.

and she rose to # 1. But that's still a flop?

The album sold over 3 million copies and over 10 mill WW (sold nearly as much as All For you and Britney album), it was STILL selling but her mother pulled it off of the shelves and the rest of her albums

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Yea, it reached #1 after she passed.

Yea, it sold that amount because she passed away.

NMuzakNSoul said:

*drives in sees alot of BS*

I love Aaliyah and Beyoncé.

*turbo boost the fuck out*

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Aaliyah was indeed a better singer than Janet

Janet dance better, but come on. be real.

Aaliyah was no one's singer and she could never sing songs like "Black Cat" or "Scream, hun. It's no shade but you really needs to stop putting her on a pedestal. It's embarassing now.

I love Janet but Janet can't even sing songs like Black Cat and Scream anymore. Hence the reason why the tracks are pre-recorded. Let's be honest. Last time Janet performed a song LIVE, Aaliyah was still alive.

and thats NO SHADE

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

Barely? The Britney album almost doubled the Aaliyah CD in sales. What do you mean barely? And again, she only went double platinum due to her death. Had she lived it wouldn't have crossed a million.

An "arabic gothic song?" It was another Timbaland track. What was so left field about it? And "Rock The Boat" was released 14 days before her passing. It's not like it was this huge monster at radio weeks prior. Radio runs (when someone has a hit) last months. Interest was only kicked up because of the tragedy. I remember all of this very clearly. They world-premiered the footage & video on BET, everybody was all of a sudden die-hard 'Liyah fans...But even after all of it she still couldn't go triple platinum.

Britney album sold 3.6 million.

Red album sold 3.2 million

So your telling me that WNAR sounded like EVERYTHING else that was popular at the time? REALLY? Seriously?

right. so WNAR sounded JUST like these songs that were hits of '01

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lPQZni7I18

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AszPTJXIgM

http://www.youtube.com/wa...0EvXnRxl0w

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2KabvvLF7M

stop being in denial. How many popular artists were putting out dark middle eastern beats in 01? Sure, that "dark" shit is popular now, but when Aaliyah did it it wasn't what was hot in '01. and the fact that you were 12 years old in 01 tells alot. and I never said that RTB was a radio monster (it was JUST RELEASED) Im saying that when she put out a song that followed the trend, her album JUMPED back up the charts. And you don't remember shit. You were only 12 When she died? REALLY?

and who cares if she never went triple plat? She STILL went multiplatninum. The album was selling but Diane made the album out or print because she didn't want them to profit off of her death. Just stop talking. You don't even know the whole situation. Lmao.

Bullshit.

The Britney album sold 4,342,000 copies at Nielsen Soundscan with an additional 588,000 at BMG Music Clubs. If you can't count that's 4,930,000 in total. You need receipts? Here:

http://www.billboard.com/...9083.story

http://www.mi2n.com/press...s_nb=47877

Lord have mercy... this thread has already bit the poisonous apple. I didn't even have to trash this thread, y'all done that on your own.

But if you need thread trashing, I'm your man.

Aaliyah's film career was really taking off so I agree with Ginuwine. Right now, music wise, Rihanna and Beyonce are neck and neck. Actually, I think I've seen more of Rihanna in the last year or two than I've seen of Bey.