Pressure said:

mancabdriver said:

Monica was more successful because before Aaliyah's death she had 2 albums going 3x platnium where as Aaliyah's 2 albums went 2x platnium.

And she had 3#1's and 4 top ten hits 7 of which went platnium and 2 that went gold. Aaliyah only had one #1 single and 3 top ten singles.

Its pretty clear really.

I prefer Aaliyahs albums, videos and singles to Monica's - but facts are facts.

billboard already exposed Monica. all of her albums were overcertified and overshipped.. Miss Thang sold 1 million, and TBIM sold 2 million, making her and Aaliyah's sales equal. (it's on ask billboard)

Also, 50% of Aaliyah singles never charted because they were airplay only singles, and wernt allowed to chart on the hot 100 until 1999

Well either way Monica had more hits than Aaliyah.

Monica & Brandy were both more successful than Aaliyah. That's undisputed.

Especially Brandy.

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

It never reached the low 50's..

I never said the album was doing extrememly well. it was doing decent.

and as you said the album jumped up a couple of spots because of RTB. you just proved my point.

It wasn't enough time to judge whether the album was flopping or not. it was only one single out and it was out for barely a month.

It was GOLD wand was DOING BETTER THAN HER PREVIOUS ALBUMS THAT STILL WENT 2X PLATINUM.

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People were going Gold their first weeks back then. Britney, Destiny's Child, and Janet all had 500k+ debut weeks. Jennifer Lopez & the new-on-the scene Alicia Keys posted larger numbers. Usher was outperforming her.

She couldn't hang with any of them on the charts. If the album was such a big deal she would have went platinum easily. Her total after being on shelves for two months was pitiful.

Oh god. I never once said, that the album was doing amazingly well. I'm saying that the albums sucess was a VAST IMPROVEMENT from her first two. and all of them also had commercial pop singles. Aaliyah took a RISK and put out WNAR which was left field. And ultimately, she paid for that in first week sales. People wern't adjusting to her new sound which was when WHY she put out a commercial single (RTB) the album was climbing back up the charts. end it.

musicjunky318 said:

Monica & Brandy were both more successful than Aaliyah. That's undisputed.

Especially Brandy.

How? None of Monica's albums have outsold Aaliyah's.

Aaliyah also had bigger hits worldwide than Monica

Most of Aaliyah's singles never charted because of airplay

Monica NEVER won a single award WITHOUT Brandy

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musicjunky318 said:

Monica & Brandy were both more successful than Aaliyah. That's undisputed.

Especially Brandy.

Exactly.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

You can't be this hard headed

Your're the hardheaded one. Selling 500k off of ONE single that flopped, shitty promotion is definetly an achievement.

Lol, not in 2001.

chamber said:

Um...Destiny's Child came out with Wyclef; and their earlier videos featured Immature and Jagged Edge. Their second album had appearances by, and production from, Missy Elliott, Rodney Jerkins, Next, and Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs. And at the same time Beyonce appeared as Case's love interest in his "Happily Ever After" video. No co-signers, huh? Don't act like more established people of the day weren't pulled into to help them (her) get attention.

The Aaliyah album was released on July 17, 2001. She died on August 25. Don't sit up there and act like the album was shaping up to be some sort of huge disappointment, that was saved only by her death. A bit premature to make that assertion about an album that debuted at #2 and was only out for five weeks before her perish.

And yes, Janet in a 2000 radio interview was asked *who* she would like to work with, and her answer (without any goading) was "Aaliyah."

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Yea, after they signed with Columbia records and after being dropped by another label. Where as Aaliyah was signed by Jive because of her association with R. Kelly.

It debuted at #2 with 190k sold. The week before her passing she pushed 62k. I'm sorry if that's not a flop then Idk what is.

No one's denying she said it. The fact is it never happened.

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Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

People were going Gold their first weeks back then. Britney, Destiny's Child, and Janet all had 500k+ debut weeks. Jennifer Lopez & the new-on-the scene Alicia Keys posted larger numbers. Usher was outperforming her.

She couldn't hang with any of them on the charts. If the album was such a big deal she would have went platinum easily. Her total after being on shelves for two months was pitiful.

Oh god. I never once said, that the album was doing amazingly well. I'm saying that the albums sucess was a VAST IMPROVEMENT from her first two. and all of them also had commercial pop singles. Aaliyah took a RISK and put out WNAR which was left field. And ultimately, she paid for that in first week sales. People wern't adjusting to her new sound which was when WHY she put out a commercial single (RTB) the album was climbing back up the charts. end it.

It wouldn't have gone platinum if she didn't die. When all your contemporaries and influences are outselling you (by millions) what would you call it? The biggest thing I hate about you Aaliyah stans is the way you use her death as this buffer. It's like you can't say anything. Everything is taken as a diss or a slap when no one is taking shots at her personally. She seemed to be a sweet person. I just turned 22 last Friday, I still feel incredibly young. Her passing was a complete, COMPLETE tragedy but it still doesn't change what was on the table. The FACT is she wasn't a threat to anybody. Beyonce was already a bigger star, Janet was Janet, Britney was Britney, and she wasn't nor was not on the verge of being on their level. I'm sorry. The numbers dictate the opposite. Again, this is how people become overrated.

Jessica Simpson could die tomorrow and all of a sudden the spin will be what a threat she was to Britney & Floptina, she shitted on the both of their careers, yada yada yada and a whole bunch of phoniness. But the funny thing about it is that some people will buy it.

Please....

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Oh god. I never once said, that the album was doing amazingly well. I'm saying that the albums sucess was a VAST IMPROVEMENT from her first two. and all of them also had commercial pop singles. Aaliyah took a RISK and put out WNAR which was left field. And ultimately, she paid for that in first week sales. People wern't adjusting to her new sound which was when WHY she put out a commercial single (RTB) the album was climbing back up the charts. end it.

It wouldn't have gone platinum if she didn't die. When all your contemporaries and influences are outselling you (by millions) what would you call it? The biggest thing I hate about you Aaliyah stans is the way you use her death as this buffer. It's like you can't say anything. Everything is taken as a diss or a slap when no one is taking shots at her personally. She seemed to be a sweet person. I just turned 22 last Friday, I still feel incredibly young. Her passing was a complete, COMPLETE tragedy but it still doesn't change what was on the table. The FACT is she wasn't a threat to anybody. Beyonce was already a bigger star, Janet was Janet, Britney was Britney, and she wasn't nor was not on the verge of being on their level. I'm sorry. The numbers dictate the opposite. Again, this is how people become overrated.

Jessica Simpson could die tomorrow and all of a sudden the spin will be what a threat she was to Britney & Floptina, she shitted on the both of their careers, yada yada yada and a whole bunch of phoniness. But the funny thing about it is that some people will buy it.

Please....

Not everyone was doing astronomical sales/first week numbers in 2001. Cut that out. Those 500k-2m+ units that acts like Britney, BSB, Nsync, Eminem, Alicia Keys, Destiny's Child, etc., etc. were doing were exceptions, not the rule. And all of them were still relatively *new*, or at least 'newer' than Aaliyah, whose debut album came out in 1994, and whose fame wasn't propelled by that overblown late 90s 'teen pop' fad/machine.

Seven years (i.e. the same distance between Age Ain't Nothing But a Number and Aaliyah) after Britney's debut, was she still doing those same earth shattering numbers? Were Backstret Boys? When Brandy released Full Moon, six months after Aaliyah, did it crash through the roof? What about Monica's After the Storm? The answer to all these questions is no.

So short sighted and slanted to compare the performances of those albums to Aaliyah when they were in a different phase of their recorded career.

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trueiopian said:

Excuses.

You can't get through to them. It's as clear as day and still so blind.

Don't think they would have been neck and neck in the entertainment field. While Beyonce might be the better singer (as far as vocal range) Aaliyah was the better dancer and actress. Aaliyah's voice was beautiful to say the least. Aaliyah's acting however was far superior than Beyonce...Long story short, the world may never know

Here some scenes of Aaliyah's last scenes she filmed for the Matrix. Due to her death, she was replaced by Nona Gaye

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Fury said:

Was he ringing register when he said this?

He was brushing his baby hair with a toothbrush

ViintageJunkiie said:

Don't think they would have been neck and neck in the entertainment field. While Beyonce might be the better singer (as far as vocal range) Aaliyah was the better dancer and actress. Aaliyah's voice was beautiful to say the least. Aaliyah's acting however was far superior than Beyonce...Long story short, the world may never know

Here some scenes of Aaliyah's last scenes she filmed for the Matrix. Due to her death, she was replaced by Nona Gaye

Look how she presented herself in this small film clip. Totally believable. Beyonce would have most likely broke out in song...

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I can so see that

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Don't think they would have been neck and neck in the entertainment field. While Beyonce might be the better singer (as far as vocal range) Aaliyah was the better dancer and actress. Aaliyah's voice was beautiful to say the least. Aaliyah's acting however was far superior than Beyonce...Long story short, the world may never know

Here some scenes of Aaliyah's last scenes she filmed for the Matrix. Due to her death, she was replaced by Nona Gaye

Look how she presented herself in this small film clip. Totally believable. Beyonce would have most likely broke out in song...

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I can so see that

Beyonce just isn't believable as an actress. All her films have been based on her singing, and you see what happened when she did a movie NOT based on singing (Obsessed).

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

I can so see that

Beyonce just isn't believable as an actress. All her films have been based on her singing, and you see what happened when she did a movie NOT based on singing (Obsessed).

VoicesCarry's thread about Obsessed was LEGENDARY

let me tell you i had a friend obsessed with aaliyah after she died... it was TOO MUCH... EVERYDAY singing her songs, trying to dress like her... and buying all her albums..> i couldn't stand it...

im just glad the hype is over...

People just let the woman Rest In Peace, underrated overrated what isyacking about her sales, or if she was as big as beyonce or not?

I mean just let her R.I.P if you like her music then cherish it forever

If you don't, don't listen to it and move on

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Oh god. I never once said, that the album was doing amazingly well. I'm saying that the albums sucess was a VAST IMPROVEMENT from her first two. and all of them also had commercial pop singles. Aaliyah took a RISK and put out WNAR which was left field. And ultimately, she paid for that in first week sales. People wern't adjusting to her new sound which was when WHY she put out a commercial single (RTB) the album was climbing back up the charts. end it.

It wouldn't have gone platinum if she didn't die. When all your contemporaries and influences are outselling you (by millions) what would you call it? The biggest thing I hate about you Aaliyah stans is the way you use her death as this buffer. It's like you can't say anything. Everything is taken as a diss or a slap when no one is taking shots at her personally. She seemed to be a sweet person. I just turned 22 last Friday, I still feel incredibly young. Her passing was a complete, COMPLETE tragedy but it still doesn't change what was on the table. The FACT is she wasn't a threat to anybody. Beyonce was already a bigger star, Janet was Janet, Britney was Britney, and she wasn't nor was not on the verge of being on their level. I'm sorry. The numbers dictate the opposite. Again, this is how people become overrated.

Jessica Simpson could die tomorrow and all of a sudden the spin will be what a threat she was to Britney & Floptina, she shitted on the both of their careers, yada yada yada and a whole bunch of phoniness. But the funny thing about it is that some people will buy it.

Please....

How do you know it wouldn't have gone platinum? can you tell the future? If her FIRST TWO albums PEAKED @ 18 and STILL went platnum, how the hell wouldn't a Gold album push platnum with more singles? Do you hear yourself?

WAIT, your 22? You were only a kid when she was in her prime. how the hell would you know ANYTHING?

I NEVER said she was a threat. I DID in fact say that she was slowly growing in fame with each album (which isn't arguable). Hell, Janet's first two albums flopped. Rihanna's first two underperformed. They are big stars now. Why couldn't that same logic apply for Aaliyah? We don't know WHAT could of happend.

and Beyonce wasn't shit when aaliyah was alive. She was in DESTINY'S Child, but as a solo star Beyonce wasn't a household name when Aaliyah was alive. When Aaliyah was alive Beyonce was the one on the red carpet interviewing Aaliyah.

mancabdriver said:

Pressure said:

billboard already exposed Monica. all of her albums were overcertified and overshipped.. Miss Thang sold 1 million, and TBIM sold 2 million, making her and Aaliyah's sales equal. (it's on ask billboard)

Also, 50% of Aaliyah singles never charted because they were airplay only singles, and wernt allowed to chart on the hot 100 until 1999

Well either way Monica had more hits than Aaliyah.

But Aaliyah won more awards and had bigger sucess internationally more movies more endorsments more album sales than Monica. What's your point?

Stop being so one-sided. Brandy was bigger than Aaliyah, but saying Monica was is a huge over statetment. She didn't reach mainstream sucess until she rode the fame of Brandy and after that her career sunk down the tubes. stop it.

Lets not forget that Aaliyah's last album was indeed selling Better than Full Moon and After the Storm

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trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Your're the hardheaded one. Selling 500k off of ONE single that flopped, shitty promotion is definetly an achievement.

Lol, not in 2001.

Going Gold off ONE single is an achievment. Are you serious?

Y'all are overexaggerating. Y'all make it seem like Aaliyah put out 10 singles, promoted it, went on tour, and her album still flopped. It was only ONE single out at the time. She didn't even kick up promo yet and for the 50th time.. when RTB impacted Radio it climbed UP the charts.. but you guys are ignoring that fact, right?

trueiopian said:

Excuses.

It really isn't excuses. Besides, Britney's album in 2001 UNDERPERFORMED anyway, BARELY selling much more than Aaliyah's red album anyway.

The rest of them (DC, Janet, etc) all followed the trend of 2001 while Aaliyah went left field and put out an arabic gothic song for her first single. Give her credit for at least taking that risk. You seem like a hater but you can't sit and tell me that WNAR sounded like anything that was hot in 2001. No one adjusted to that sound she was doing but loved RTB (which is why the album started climbing back up the charts, which is the fact that you keep dancing around and avoiding)

But since you guys like to only tell one side of the story I'll end it here.

one more thing.. Not every artist is made to sell 800k first week. And where in bold print does it say that's the only way to be sucessful? Some artists are JUST SLOW SELLERS.

Hell, "Britney" charted better than "Survivor" But "Survior" still outsold Britney.

Point is- Her album was gold with no promo and a flop single.

Slipped down some spots

RTB sent to radio

started climbing back up

But to you guys that's just doing "Khia" numbers.

Just because an era starts off bad doesn't mean its gonna be forever. There are SEVERAL artists who's eras started off badly but ended up being sucessful after hard work. Xtina's Stripped, Bey's B'day, Ciara's Goodies, and the list goes on. Y'al are just HATERS with one sided opinions. That is all.

Truiopion (whatever that shit is spelled) You are definetly angry @ Aaliyah for some reason. Every Aaliyah thread you bashin the poor girl. Why?

You also hate Ciara too... is it because your a JAnet stan and Ciara is a better dancer and Aaliyah was a better singer?

And besides, just because it was 2001 doesn't mean shit. Do you guys realized how many artists still flopped in 2001?

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at Aaliyah going "left field". Sorry but I can't take you seriously.

Oh and that's right resort to the predictable "Why is you hatin' gorl" argument because you can't handle the truth.

I don't "hate" anyone and why in the world do you keep bringing Janet up? I don't 'stan' for her. Epic fail. Stanning is what you're doing and I'm not going to argue with you. It's clear as day that you're just another trolling stan looking for trouble.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Excuses.

It really isn't excuses. Besides, Britney's album in 2001 UNDERPERFORMED anyway, BARELY selling much more than Aaliyah's red album anyway.

The rest of them (DC, Janet, etc) all followed the trend of 2001 while Aaliyah went left field and put out an arabic gothic song for her first single. Give her credit for at least taking that risk. You seem like a hater but you can't sit and tell me that WNAR sounded like anything that was hot in 2001. No one adjusted to that sound she was doing but loved RTB (which is why the album started climbing back up the charts, which is the fact that you keep dancing around and avoiding)

But since you guys like to only tell one side of the story I'll end it here.

Barely? The Britney album almost doubled the Aaliyah CD in sales. What do you mean barely? And again, she only went double platinum due to her death. Had she lived it wouldn't have crossed a million.

An "arabic gothic song?" It was another Timbaland track. What was so left field about it? And "Rock The Boat" was released 14 days before her passing. It's not like it was this huge monster at radio weeks prior. Radio runs (when someone has a hit) last months. Interest was only kicked up because of the tragedy. I remember all of this very clearly. They world-premiered the footage & video on BET, everybody was all of a sudden die-hard 'Liyah fans...But even after all of it she still couldn't go triple platinum.

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Beyonce just isn't believable as an actress. All her films have been based on her singing, and you see what happened when she did a movie NOT based on singing (Obsessed).

VoicesCarry's thread about Obsessed was LEGENDARY

ooooo can you post the thread link?

roseypink56 said:

bboy87 said:

VoicesCarry's thread about Obsessed was LEGENDARY

ooooo can you post the thread link?

I tried looking for it but came up empty

*drives in sees alot of BS*

I love Aaliyah and Beyoncé.

*turbo boost the fuck out*