Alej said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm a fan but the way they hyped her after her death was too much. She was "just an R&B singer" until she died. Then all of a sudden after her death, people were automatically calling her a legend. She was only 22, she didn't have a chance to BECOME a legend once August 25th happened.

I feel the same way about so many acts that I won't name because I'd risk all the snobs in this forum being all up in my George Foreman

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Where did I say it didn't go Gold before her passing? FYI, artists were going Gold based off first week sales in 2001. The fact is her album wasn't doing well compared to other artists out at the time. As I stated already, she was at 62k a week before her passing.

Wikipedia has the release date listed as "June 15, 2001"

at blinded by hate. Hate for what? Silly stan.

Aaliyah was a SLOW SELLER. She was never a huge charting artist. Rihanna is a huge star and she always was a slow seller but she still does decently in sales. Whats your logic? Fact is her album was charting and selling better than her last 2 and that was my main point. Besides, Aaliyah never had huge promotion as those other stars you named. Her team was never that agressive.

I see your a JAnet stan, didn't she want to duet with aaliyah? nuff said.

No, what's YOUR logic? Rihanna and Aaliyah are two totally different artist. Though Rihanna was a slow seller (Loud sold well pretty fast) she has an international base that buys her albums unlike Aaliyah. The fact remains, Aaliyah wasn't doing well at the time and her team wasn't that agressive because she wasn't that big of an artist. I gurantee you if she was on say Britney Spear's level her team would be far more agressive.

and what does Janet have to with this? if Janet wanted to duet with Aaliyah she would've made it happen already. It didn't happen because she didn't want to do it. Instead she went and worked with that Aaliyah's butch friend. End of.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Aaliyah was a SLOW SELLER. She was never a huge charting artist. Rihanna is a huge star and she always was a slow seller but she still does decently in sales. Whats your logic? Fact is her album was charting and selling better than her last 2 and that was my main point. Besides, Aaliyah never had huge promotion as those other stars you named. Her team was never that agressive.

I see your a JAnet stan, didn't she want to duet with aaliyah? nuff said.

No, what's YOUR logic? Rihanna and Aaliyah are two totally different artist. Though Rihanna was a slow seller (Loud sold well pretty fast) she has an international base that buys her albums unlike Aaliyah. The fact remains, Aaliyah wasn't doing well at the time and her team wasn't that agressive because she wasn't that big of an artist. I gurantee you if she was on say Britney Spear's level her team would be far more agressive.

and what does Janet have to with this? if Janet wanted to duet with Aaliyah she would've made it happen already. It didn't happen because she didn't want to do it. Instead she went and worked with that Aaliyah's butch friend. End of.

lol @ she didn't want to do it. Then why did she give Aaliyah a tribute and speak on her TWICE? She couldn't do the duet because the album was recorded in Australia. She was also scheduled to duet with Nine inch nails but because the album recording and mastering in AU, it never happened.

lol @ not doing well. if going gold off of a single that peaked @ 59 isn't doing well than I guess alot of people are flops. Like I said her sucess was increasing with EACH album, it was obvious that she was on the climb. didn't janet's first two albums flop?

Her team wasn't aggressive because her team was STUPID. I could list many mistakes blackground has done but it would be pointless. Ur facts about aaliyah are way off but it's hilarious to see that you think you know so much.

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Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Excuses.

Beyonce debuted with Destiny's Child in 1998 and she had no co-signers. Aaliyah debuted in 1994 with an album written and produced by R. Kelly and at the time R. Kelly was already a brand with 12 Play. She got more exposure because she was affiliated with a big R&B artist. Beyonce didn't have that advantage.

I'm talking about SOLO. WHat does Destiny's Child have to do with anything?

When Beyonce started off SOLO she had the co-signers I mentioned.

When Bey started off solo she was already an established star with a safety blanket.

Aaliyah wasn't.

case closed.

BTw, R,kelly had ONE album when he signed Aaliyah. When Bey was rocking wit Jay z he had 10 albums, which made him a bigger brand than r.kelly.

Destiny's Child is where Beyonce started and she had no co-signers then. By the time she released her solo debut she already had the attention of the public because of her prior releases with DC. The artists you mentioned didn't come in the picture until her first solo effort. Aaliyah was introduced to the public as R. Kelly's protégé in 1994 (after the success of R. Kelly's first solo effort).

Do you not understand the difference? One started in a group with no backing of big name artists and the other started with a big name artist.

Like I've already stated, Aaliyah had more of an advantage. You can't deny that.

FYI, R. Kelly was in a group prior to his solo effort and even then he was working with gospel artists, writing, producing and remixing for big names like Toni Braxton and Janet Jackson. He was well-known regardless if he only released on solo album.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

I'm talking about SOLO. WHat does Destiny's Child have to do with anything?

When Beyonce started off SOLO she had the co-signers I mentioned.

When Bey started off solo she was already an established star with a safety blanket.

Aaliyah wasn't.

case closed.

BTw, R,kelly had ONE album when he signed Aaliyah. When Bey was rocking wit Jay z he had 10 albums, which made him a bigger brand than r.kelly.

Destiny's Child is where Beyonce started and she had no co-signers then. By the time she released her solo debut she already had the attention of the public because of her prior releases with DC. The artists you mentioned didn't come in the picture until her first solo effort. Aaliyah was introduced to the public as R. Kelly's protégé in 1994 (after the success of R. Kelly's first solo effort).

Do you not understand the difference? One started in a group with no backing of big name artists and the other started with a big name artist.

Like I've already stated, Aaliyah had more of an advantage. You can't deny that.

FYI, R. Kelly was in a group prior to his solo effort and even then he was working with gospel artists, writing, producing and remixing for big names like Toni Braxton and Janet Jackson. He was well-known regardless if he only released on solo album.

I'm not comparing Destiny's Child to Aaliyah. I'm comparing Aaliyah to BEYONCE. Aaliyah started off as a solo artist and Beyonce (solo) started off as an ALREADY ESTABLISHED ARTIST. Beyonce the solo star had more advantage than anyone.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

No, what's YOUR logic? Rihanna and Aaliyah are two totally different artist. Though Rihanna was a slow seller (Loud sold well pretty fast) she has an international base that buys her albums unlike Aaliyah. The fact remains, Aaliyah wasn't doing well at the time and her team wasn't that agressive because she wasn't that big of an artist. I gurantee you if she was on say Britney Spear's level her team would be far more agressive.

and what does Janet have to with this? if Janet wanted to duet with Aaliyah she would've made it happen already. It didn't happen because she didn't want to do it. Instead she went and worked with that Aaliyah's butch friend. End of.

lol @ she didn't want to do it. Then why did she give Aaliyah a tribute and speak on her TWICE? She couldn't do the duet because the album was recorded in Australia. She was also scheduled to duet with Nine inch nails but because the album recording and mastering in AU, it never happened.

lol @ not doing well. if going gold off of a single that peaked @ 59 isn't doing well than I guess alot of people are flops.

Her team wasn't aggressive because her team was STUPID. I could list many mistakes blackground has done but it would be pointless. Ur facts about aaliyah are way off but it's hilarious to see that you think you know so much.

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Eh she was asked by MTV to do it because she's one of Aaliyah's biggest inspirations and I don't see the correlation between Janet paying tribute because Aaliyah passed and talking about a debut. If Janet wanted to do the debut with Aaliyah trust that it would've happened.

We're talking about the industry in 2001, boo. Not 2011. Selling 62k in a week in 2001 is dreadful.

I don't think I know so much, hun. I'm KNOW what I'm talking about and you'll just need to deal.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Destiny's Child is where Beyonce started and she had no co-signers then. By the time she released her solo debut she already had the attention of the public because of her prior releases with DC. The artists you mentioned didn't come in the picture until her first solo effort. Aaliyah was introduced to the public as R. Kelly's protégé in 1994 (after the success of R. Kelly's first solo effort).

Do you not understand the difference? One started in a group with no backing of big name artists and the other started with a big name artist.

Like I've already stated, Aaliyah had more of an advantage. You can't deny that.

FYI, R. Kelly was in a group prior to his solo effort and even then he was working with gospel artists, writing, producing and remixing for big names like Toni Braxton and Janet Jackson. He was well-known regardless if he only released on solo album.

I'm not comparing Destiny's Child to Aaliyah. I'm comparing Aaliyah to BEYONCE. Aaliyah started off as a solo artist and Beyonce (solo) started off as an ALREADY ESTABLISHED ARTIST. Beyonce the solo star had more advantage than anyone.

Beyonce was in a group before her debut and it should be noted. By the way, Beyonce wasn't an established artist when she released her solo debut. She could've easily fell off like the other members of DC.

TotalAlisa said:

MickyDolenz said:

Is that right?

those outfits are so tacky... i used to love their style back then...

Looking alot more natural back then

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

lol @ she didn't want to do it. Then why did she give Aaliyah a tribute and speak on her TWICE? She couldn't do the duet because the album was recorded in Australia. She was also scheduled to duet with Nine inch nails but because the album recording and mastering in AU, it never happened.

lol @ not doing well. if going gold off of a single that peaked @ 59 isn't doing well than I guess alot of people are flops.

Her team wasn't aggressive because her team was STUPID. I could list many mistakes blackground has done but it would be pointless. Ur facts about aaliyah are way off but it's hilarious to see that you think you know so much.

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Eh she was asked by MTV to do it because she's one of Aaliyah's biggest inspirations and I don't see the correlation between Janet paying tribute because Aaliyah passed and talking about a debut. If Janet wanted to do the debut with Aaliyah trust that it would've happened.

We're talking about the industry in 2001, boo. Not 2011. Selling 62k in a week in 2001 is dreadful.

I don't think I know so much, hun. I'm KNOW what I'm talking about and you'll just need to deal.

If Janet didn't care for Aaliyah why would she say that she liked her (before she died), and then do a tribute to her? the album was being recorded in AUSTRALIA and because of that the two duets were scrapped.

and lmfao. You acting like she sold 62k EVERY WEEK. it sold that amount for ONE week and then she died. You don't know how the era would have panned out. She only had ONE single out with hardly any promotion. Like I said earlier, who's to say that MTAW and RTB wouldn't have improved the album sales? The same case happened with OIAM.. did poor first week but still did decent.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

I'm not comparing Destiny's Child to Aaliyah. I'm comparing Aaliyah to BEYONCE. Aaliyah started off as a solo artist and Beyonce (solo) started off as an ALREADY ESTABLISHED ARTIST. Beyonce the solo star had more advantage than anyone.

Beyonce was in a group before her debut and it should be noted. By the way, Beyonce wasn't an established artist when she released her solo debut. She could've easily fell off like the other members of DC.

They fell off because MAtthew didn't push them like he did Beyonce.

God, you are SO one sided.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Beyonce was in a group before her debut and it should be noted. By the way, Beyonce wasn't an established artist when she released her solo debut. She could've easily fell off like the other members of DC.

They fell off because MAtthew didn't push them like he did Beyonce.

God, you are SO one sided.

Nobody told them to keep the same manager for their solo efforts. Their fault for being stupid. Yea, when all else fails resort to red herring. So predictable. I swear Aaliyah stans are too touchy.

Nope. She would be in the same position as Brandy and Monica - who were more successful than her at the time of her death.

I much prefer Brandy, Aaliyah and Monica's music to Beyonce, Rihanna and Ciara - But radio likes trash apparently.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

They fell off because MAtthew didn't push them like he did Beyonce.

God, you are SO one sided.

Nobody told them to keep the same manager for their solo efforts. Their fault for being stupid. Yea, when all else fails resort to red herring. So predictable. I swear Aaliyah stans are too touchy.

Maybe they thought they would get the same treatment as Beyonce?

and they didnt and their first records flopped. thats why they left after that.

well kelly's dumbass stayed longer because she wanted to be loyal, but whatever

mancabdriver said:

Nope. She would be in the same position as Brandy and Monica - who were more successful than her at the time of her death.

I much prefer Brandy, Aaliyah and Monica's music to Beyonce, Rihanna and Ciara - But radio likes trash apparently.

How was Monica more sucessful again?

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Eh she was asked by MTV to do it because she's one of Aaliyah's biggest inspirations and I don't see the correlation between Janet paying tribute because Aaliyah passed and talking about a debut. If Janet wanted to do the debut with Aaliyah trust that it would've happened.

We're talking about the industry in 2001, boo. Not 2011. Selling 62k in a week in 2001 is dreadful.

I don't think I know so much, hun. I'm KNOW what I'm talking about and you'll just need to deal.

If Janet didn't care for Aaliyah why would she say that she liked her (before she died), and then do a tribute to her? the album was being recorded in AUSTRALIA and because of that the two duets were scrapped.

and lmfao. You acting like she sold 62k EVERY WEEK. it sold that amount for ONE week and then she died. You don't know how the era would have panned out. She only had ONE single out with hardly any promotion. Like I said earlier, who's to say that MTAW and RTB wouldn't have improved the album sales? The same case happened with OIAM.. did poor first week but still did decent.

I never said Janet didn't care for Aaliyah. Please, do brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said if she sincerely wanted to do a duet it would've happened and I hope you're aware that didn't have to be in the same studio to do it.

I never said she sold 62k every week. The fact is she sold that amount a week before her death and jumped to 306k after (even that's not a lot in 2001).

As I said before, her last album was selling better than her last two and that was my main point.

I dont care about what Britney, Barney, Roseanne, Janet sold, etc

fact was her album was GOLD IN A MONTH OFF OF ONE SINGLE THAT COULDN'T CRACK THE TOP 40.

that's an achievement.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

If Janet didn't care for Aaliyah why would she say that she liked her (before she died), and then do a tribute to her? the album was being recorded in AUSTRALIA and because of that the two duets were scrapped.

and lmfao. You acting like she sold 62k EVERY WEEK. it sold that amount for ONE week and then she died. You don't know how the era would have panned out. She only had ONE single out with hardly any promotion. Like I said earlier, who's to say that MTAW and RTB wouldn't have improved the album sales? The same case happened with OIAM.. did poor first week but still did decent.

I never said Janet didn't care for Aaliyah. Please, do brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said if she sincerely wanted to do a duet it would've happened and I hope you're aware that didn't have to be in the same studio to do it.

I never said she sold 62k every week. The fact is she sold that amount a week before her death and jumped to 306k after (even that's not a lot in 2001).

who cares if her sales jumped up the week she died? if Beyonce died, her albums will JUMP right up the charts as well. If Janet died, her albums will JUMP up too. whats' the logic here? that when she died her album sold? that goes for anyone, dear.

my main point was that it was selling faster than her previous efforts and was a marginal improvement.

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Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

Nobody told them to keep the same manager for their solo efforts. Their fault for being stupid. Yea, when all else fails resort to red herring. So predictable. I swear Aaliyah stans are too touchy.

Maybe they thought they would get the same treatment as Beyonce?

and they didnt and their first records flopped. thats why they left after that.

well kelly's dumbass stayed longer because she wanted to be loyal, but whatever

Eh wtf. How in the world would they get the same treatment when Beyonce is his daughter? that's stupid.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

Maybe they thought they would get the same treatment as Beyonce?

and they didnt and their first records flopped. thats why they left after that.

well kelly's dumbass stayed longer because she wanted to be loyal, but whatever

Eh wtf. How in the world would they get the same treatment when Beyonce is his daughter? that's stupid.

well Kelly and Michelle always referred to Matthew as their father, and they probably had faith in him. Michelle left after her first flop and Kelly's dumb ass stuck around.

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

I never said Janet didn't care for Aaliyah. Please, do brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said if she sincerely wanted to do a duet it would've happened and I hope you're aware that didn't have to be in the same studio to do it.

I never said she sold 62k every week. The fact is she sold that amount a week before her death and jumped to 306k after (even that's not a lot in 2001).

who cares if her sales jumped up the week she died? if Beyonce died, her albums will JUMP right up the charts as well. If Janet died, her albums will JUMP up too. whats' the logic here? that when she died her album sold? that goes for anyone, dear.

my main point was that it was selling faster than her previous efforts and was a marginal improvement.

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The fact is her album was flopping before and only pushed 306k the week after her passing. That's dreadful, hun.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

who cares if her sales jumped up the week she died? if Beyonce died, her albums will JUMP right up the charts as well. If Janet died, her albums will JUMP up too. whats' the logic here? that when she died her album sold? that goes for anyone, dear.

my main point was that it was selling faster than her previous efforts and was a marginal improvement.

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The fact is her album was flopping before and only pushed 306k the week after her passing. That's dreadful, hun.

so going gold is flopping? lordy..

Pressure said:

trueiopian said:

The fact is her album was flopping before and only pushed 306k the week after her passing. That's dreadful, hun.

so going gold is flopping? lordy..

You can't be this hard headed

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

Baloney.

Aaliyah's death made her ridiculously overrated. It's amazing what a tragic death will do to someone's legacy. A threat to who? The album was bombing before she left us and even after it she only managed to go double platinum. Destiny's Child, Usher, Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears, and Janet Jackson all released albums that same year (2001) and still outsold her. What does that tell you? In the 90s, Brandy and Monica both had bigger success. And look at their sales now. What would have made Aaliyah so different? This is complete nonsense.

How was the album bombing? Aaliyah was ALWAYS a slow seller. OIAM peaked @ 18 and still managed to sell well over 8 million copies worldwide. The album peaked @ #2 with a flop single and went GOLD with ONE single. I don;t see how we can say she was flopping when she was only alive for a MONTH during the album's promotion. also, Aaliyah's album could have sold more units (it was still doing decent numbers in 2003) but her mother Diane pulled the album off because she didn't want the labels to profit from her death

shame how y'all hate on this woman without all of the facts.

The first week it did 186,000. The second week it slipped to either #9 or #10 I can't remember with 99,000. Two weeks later it was in the low 50's. Blackground then rushed-released Rock The Boat the first of August and it started to take off on Urban stations. Two weeks before her death the album rose back to the Top 20. And then it leaped to #1 after the tragedy.

It was nowhere near platinum. And remember this is back in 2001 when people were still selling CD's. She was being outsold and was still outsold by multiple artists.

I hate when people pull the "hating" card. It's not hating, it's fact.

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

How was the album bombing? Aaliyah was ALWAYS a slow seller. OIAM peaked @ 18 and still managed to sell well over 8 million copies worldwide. The album peaked @ #2 with a flop single and went GOLD with ONE single. I don;t see how we can say she was flopping when she was only alive for a MONTH during the album's promotion. also, Aaliyah's album could have sold more units (it was still doing decent numbers in 2003) but her mother Diane pulled the album off because she didn't want the labels to profit from her death

shame how y'all hate on this woman without all of the facts.

The first week it did 186,000. The second week it slipped to either #9 or #10 I can't remember with 99,000. Two weeks later it was in the low 50's. Blackground then rushed-released Rock The Boat the first of August and it started to take off on Urban stations. Two weeks before her death the album rose back to the Top 20. And then it leaped to #1 after the tragedy.

It was nowhere near platinum. And remember this is back in 2001 when people were still selling CD's. She was being outsold and was still outsold by multiple artists.

I hate when people pull the "hating" card. It's not hating, it's fact.

It never reached the low 50's..

I never said the album was doing extrememly well. it was doing decent.

and as you said the album jumped up a couple of spots because of RTB. you just proved my point.

It wasn't enough time to judge whether the album was flopping or not. it was only one single out and it was out for barely a month.

It was GOLD wand was DOING BETTER THAN HER PREVIOUS ALBUMS THAT STILL WENT 2X PLATINUM.

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Um...Destiny's Child came out with Wyclef; and their earlier videos featured Immature and Jagged Edge. Their second album had appearances by, and production from, Missy Elliott, Rodney Jerkins, Next, and Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs. And at the same time Beyonce appeared as Case's love interest in his "Happily Ever After" video. No co-signers, huh? Don't act like more established people of the day weren't pulled into to help them (her) get attention.

The Aaliyah album was released on July 17, 2001. She died on August 25. Don't sit up there and act like the album was shaping up to be some sort of huge disappointment, that was saved only by her death. A bit premature to make that assertion about an album that debuted at #2 and was only out for five weeks before her perish.

And yes, Janet in a 2000 radio interview was asked *who* she would like to work with, and her answer (without any goading) was "Aaliyah."

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Pressure said:

mancabdriver said:

Nope. She would be in the same position as Brandy and Monica - who were more successful than her at the time of her death.

I much prefer Brandy, Aaliyah and Monica's music to Beyonce, Rihanna and Ciara - But radio likes trash apparently.

How was Monica more sucessful again?

Monica was more successful because before Aaliyah's death she had 2 albums going 3x platnium where as Aaliyah's 2 albums went 2x platnium.

And she had 3#1's and 4 top ten hits 7 of which went platnium and 2 that went gold. Aaliyah only had one #1 single and 3 top ten singles.

Its pretty clear really.

I prefer Aaliyahs albums, videos and singles to Monica's - but facts are facts.

trueiopian said:

Pressure said:

so going gold is flopping? lordy..

You can't be this hard headed

Your're the hardheaded one. Selling 500k off of ONE single that flopped, shitty promotion is definetly an achievement.

mancabdriver said:

Pressure said:

How was Monica more sucessful again?

Monica was more successful because before Aaliyah's death she had 2 albums going 3x platnium where as Aaliyah's 2 albums went 2x platnium.

And she had 3#1's and 4 top ten hits 7 of which went platnium and 2 that went gold. Aaliyah only had one #1 single and 3 top ten singles.

Its pretty clear really.

I prefer Aaliyahs albums, videos and singles to Monica's - but facts are facts.

billboard already exposed Monica. all of her albums were overcertified and overshipped.. Miss Thang sold 1 million, and TBIM sold 2 million, making her and Aaliyah's sales equal. (it's on ask billboard)

Also, 50% of Aaliyah singles never charted because they were airplay only singles, and wernt allowed to chart on the hot 100 until 1999

chamber said:

Um...Destiny's Child came out with Wyclef; and their earlier videos featured Immature and Jagged Edge. Their second album had appearances by, and production from, Missy Elliott, Rodney Jerkins, Next, and Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs. And at the same time Beyonce appeared as Case's love interest in his "Happily Ever After" video. No co-signers, huh? Don't act like more established people of the day weren't pulled into to help them (her) get attention.

The Aaliyah album was released on July 17, 2001. She died on August 25. Don't sit up there and act like the album was shaping up to be some sort of huge disappointment, that was saved only by her death. A bit premature to make that assertion about an album that debuted at #2 and was only out for five weeks before her perish.

And yes, Janet in a 2000 radio interview was asked *who* she would like to work with, and her answer (without any goading) was "Aaliyah."

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thank you!! these guys are so one sided. The album was only out for a MONTH with ONE SINGLE. How can we judge off of that? besides, when RTB impacted radio the album was climbing back up, so they can end that stupid argument.

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

The first week it did 186,000. The second week it slipped to either #9 or #10 I can't remember with 99,000. Two weeks later it was in the low 50's. Blackground then rushed-released Rock The Boat the first of August and it started to take off on Urban stations. Two weeks before her death the album rose back to the Top 20. And then it leaped to #1 after the tragedy.

It was nowhere near platinum. And remember this is back in 2001 when people were still selling CD's. She was being outsold and was still outsold by multiple artists.

I hate when people pull the "hating" card. It's not hating, it's fact.

It never reached the low 50's..

I never said the album was doing extrememly well. it was doing decent.

and as you said the album jumped up a couple of spots because of RTB. you just proved my point.

It wasn't enough time to judge whether the album was flopping or not. it was only one single out and it was out for barely a month.

It was GOLD wand was DOING BETTER THAN HER PREVIOUS ALBUMS THAT STILL WENT 2X PLATINUM.

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People were going Gold their first weeks back then. Britney, Destiny's Child, and Janet all had 500k+ debut weeks. Jennifer Lopez & the new-on-the scene Alicia Keys posted larger numbers. Usher was outperforming her.

She couldn't hang with any of them on the charts. If the album was such a big deal she would have went platinum easily. Her total after being on shelves for two months was pitiful.