Don't mean to steer off from the current discussion but....
I'm going through my MJ bootlegs And judging in terms of sound quality and Michael's overall energy...
BAD TOUR '88 Liverpool England- this is the show where he performed for 125,000 people and it's on the best sounding boots from the '88 tour, plus you hear the audience's reaction to certain things like the opening chords of Another Part Of Me and singing along to the band playing Let It Be. I give it a 7/10 because the audience can be a bit overpowering at times and because well.....audience recordings rarely get anything more than a 9/10
London England- Wembley Stadium- I'm not entirely sure which show this is. It's not one of the first 2 shows as I have those too. It sounds good in some parts, but darn WHO IS THAT BLOWING THAT FRICKIN' WHISTLE?! They're doing it throughout a couple of songs! NOBODY beat the crap outta them for that? lol Overall it's good. You can hear Michael clearly and that's definitely a plus. A 7.5/10
London England- Wembley Stadium- another show from Wembley and this is the one where Michael dedicated I Just Can't Stop Loving You to Elizabeth Taylor. Michael even stops the song to tell the audience to tell them that Elizabeth was very sick and that the pain she was dealing with was unbearable AND to bow their heads for a moment for Elizabeth, and you can HEAR the audience's confusion and them thinking "WTF" LOL. For the record, Liz was simply feeling under the weather my favorite moment of this show is that I Just Can't Stop Loving You has a different ending. It doesn't end abruptly with Sheryl disappearing, but simply ends with Michael singing the last lines like he would end the song during the shows in Japan in '87
Leeds England- This is one of my favorites. The problems with this sets: +Smooth Criminal is missing. It was performed but the person who was recording may have had to turn over the tape +The audio is hit and miss for the most part and sounds muffled at times +You can tell that this was recorded on cassette in 1988 LOL. You can REALLY tell
Rome Italy- another good one. I ignored this one for awhile because the way some fans described it, I was expecting near soundboard recording quality so I was really disappointed when hearing it, but as time gone, it's become a favorite. This was the FIRST show of the Bad Tour European leg and one of the first live bootlegs of Michael (I have a vinyl rip) and the sound quality, for a audience recording AND released on vinyl, it sounds great. It makes you feel you're in the audience. As some know, the video of the concert is "out there" but hasn't leaked except for a couple of snippets. The main problem with this one is of course at times, you can hear the age and some songs are missing, namely the Jackson 5 medley. 7.5/10
Rotterdam Holland- another good one and has the show from start to finish. Can't really complain about this one except that because it's a direct rip of an cassette tape, it has alot of tape hiss. Someone on MJJC I think removed the hiss later on. I just haven't replaced this rip with that one. I give it a 8/10
Los Angeles California- There are only 3 or 4 bootlegs from the Bad Tour's US dates and of the many boots out there from the entire tour, this is the ABSOLUTE best sounding. This was the last show and was at the L.A. Sports Memorial Arena and let me tell you. An arena's acoustics did wonders. It sounds beautiful. You can hear Michael clearly, the band is HYPED and so is Michael, I assume because all of family (except for LaToya) and his friends are all there. Berry Gordy gets a special dedication before the Jackson 5 medley which is really nice. The only thing I can say that I don't like about this recording that by the last couple of shows, Michael removed Dirty Diana completely from the set list
i like this turn, the technical stuff...
i have heard some of the rome stuff, and i liked what i heard. i'd like to hear more. and for sure, there are only some of the wembley performances i liked; i wasn't into all the ones i heard. i really love the brisbane performances i've heard. i'd love to hear what one of the live performances sound like on vinyl.
i also like hearing the intermissions in between, as michael does a clothes change or whatever. this is usually missing in the videos. i'd also love to hear a paris show in full.
do you have recordings from other tours? i posted some of my favourite performances a lot earlier in this thread, but i think it got lost. i could try to find it and repost. i'll go do that, i'd like to see what you think.
I have recordings from the Destiny Tour, Victory Tour, Bad Tour, Dangerous Tour, and HIStory tour. Bad and Dangerous are the best ones. The Tokyo New Years Eve show during the Dangerous Tour is the best sounding Dangerous era bootleg
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
One of the most difficult things over the last few years has been Harvey Levin,and TMZ. He is guilty of slander, defamation of character, preventing fair business trade and endangering my life. Historically the records firmly show Michael jackson was addicted to Propofol by Steve Hoefflin. In 2003 Michael made a cease and desist order against Hoefflin. Harvey Levan’s best friend is Howard Weitzman who was well aware of Hoefflin’s involvement. Also by pointing the finger at me, which Mrs Jackson did,no one ever wondered who hired Murray or how Howard Weitzman and John Branca got together with AEG totally to totally control the Jackson estate. I enclose an article about the true story but as recent as last week Harvey Levin released a story about me, Demerol and Karen Faye(Michael’s hair stylist) saying I contributed to Michael’s death.She later tweeted that he totally misquoted her. Michael was totally not himself the last two weeks of his life. He said it was benadryl but it seemed more than that. I guess it was Murray injecting Propofol into his muscle because
The things you should be aware of is before I was a dermatologist I spent two years studying addiction and wrote a text on it. I made two interventions on Michael’s Propofol Abuse myself and was aware of Mark Honzel making one hf. Mark is an addiction specialist who I consulted before ever giving Michael medication
.AEG camera’s were always at my office and forced me to close my office twice. Randy phillips of AEG hired Murray “Phillips said that Jackson insisted that AEG hire his doctor of choice, Dr. Conrad Murray, the Houston- and Las Vegas-based physician who was with Jackson as he died, for 24-hour medical assistance on tour in London. AEG was paying Murray $150,000 per month for compensatory fees, as well as hotel and travel costs..” Why did AEG not talk to me his physician of 30 years before doing this.?Howard Weitzman was my lawyer during the Botox trial, he knew the truth when Hoefflin pointed to me. Weitzman knew what Hoefflin was saying regarding me and propofol was unfounded in that he represented Michael during the first molestation trial and interviewed me extensively Allegations about me teaching Murray to give Propofol ( i never used it without an anestheologist) or Jason being Michael Jackson’s lover are ridiculous. That story was made up by Paul Camuso who will admit to it. Boyer and Charmley my lawyer released Michael’s records when he ask for payment of Michael’s bill’s because Jason Pfeiffer thought it was the right thing to do telling Murray I gave Michael 41 shots of ? when I was rebuilding his face. Charmley releases the records and Hippa does nothing. Levin came to a huge news conference held in front of my office with Dick Winters from the Coroner’s . There were helicopters and everythinf there. TMZ was there and it was planned by AEG.Then Dick Winters ends up in the third row of the memorial service. Winters came to my office requesting the records I already had given him. So this mass news conference was a ploy to make look responsible for something i never did.As per the DEA Mickey Fine was the problem but Levin portrayed me as addict. I am alreading suing Hoefflin but wish to sue Harvey Levin, Howard Weitzman and Phillips before the trial begins, I remember TMZ almost killed me while they chased my car on Beverly Blvd… You want to talk about the will? How could Michael sign it when he was with me and Sharplon in NYC? i never saw any will or notary there. Ask Meko Brando, he does not lie"
Weitzman is the shadiest person in this whole fucking sordid business. No wonder Harvey Levin was defending those fake ass Cascio songs.
I always assumed he got paid off or something
Klien isn't innocent either though
He participated in that BS Jason Pfieffer story that he's now saying he played no part in. Dude even did like 2 interviews with TMZ agreeing with it and got called out by Liz for it (RIP)
That "Michael peeing in public" and "those kids could be mine. I did donate sperm before" stuff he was spewing back in 2009 makes him shady too IMO
Plus any doctor who was around Michael at time gets a side eye
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Weitzman is the shadiest person in this whole fucking sordid business. No wonder Harvey Levin was defending those fake ass Cascio songs.
I always assumed he got paid off or something
Klien isn't innocent either though
He participated in that BS Jason Pfieffer story that he's now saying he played no part in. Dude even did like 2 interviews with TMZ agreeing with it and got called out by Liz for it (RIP)
That "Michael peeing in public" and "those kids could be mine. I did donate sperm before" stuff he was spewing back in 2009 makes him shady too IMO
Plus any doctor who was around Michael at time gets a side eye
two things... i always wondered if that fire at klein's house was arson... and as much smack as levin supposedly said about michael over the years- the suddenly coming out and saying "hey, i never publicly come out of my bunker, but i just wanted to tell you guys how GREAT this new michael album is, and YES, every song is not him, not fake" i knew something was suspicious.
but no, klein is not immune from critique either, because he was in on some of that stuff too. i always made a connection between TMZ and AEG, but people did not necessarily want to believe me.
but i do have to lean on the side of klein here in many ways. i think the mafia traits continue in that estate, and they got a firm grip on anyone who tries to tangle with it.
Ok...wtf is going on?! I don't get it who is telling the truth?! How much money is up for grabs in this thing?! I just don't get it. Why is everyone just so fucking shady? Is it just that everyone is fucking denial?! Like, is it really just a coincidence that the LAPD just happened to erase the security tapes?
Why was there so much bullshit going on in this man's life?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Ok...wtf is going on?! I don't get it who is telling the truth?! How much money is up for grabs in this thing?! I just don't get it. Why is everyone just so fucking shady? Is it just that everyone is fucking denial?! Like, is it really just a coincidence that the LAPD just happened to erase the security tapes?
Why was there so much bullshit going on in this man's life?
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Exactly...
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Ok...wtf is going on?! I don't get it who is telling the truth?! How much money is up for grabs in this thing?! I just don't get it. Why is everyone just so fucking shady? Is it just that everyone is fucking denial?! Like, is it really just a coincidence that the LAPD just happened to erase the security tapes?
Why was there so much bullshit going on in this man's life?
i have heard some of the rome stuff, and i liked what i heard. i'd like to hear more. and for sure, there are only some of the wembley performances i liked; i wasn't into all the ones i heard. i really love the brisbane performances i've heard. i'd love to hear what one of the live performances sound like on vinyl.
i also like hearing the intermissions in between, as michael does a clothes change or whatever. this is usually missing in the videos. i'd also love to hear a paris show in full.
do you have recordings from other tours? i posted some of my favourite performances a lot earlier in this thread, but i think it got lost. i could try to find it and repost. i'll go do that, i'd like to see what you think.
I have recordings from the Destiny Tour, Victory Tour, Bad Tour, Dangerous Tour, and HIStory tour. Bad and Dangerous are the best ones. The Tokyo New Years Eve show during the Dangerous Tour is the best sounding Dangerous era bootleg
I wonder why no one has leaked the bootleg live audio yet on YouTube like some Aretha Franklin's fans do for Aretha.
i have heard some of the rome stuff, and i liked what i heard. i'd like to hear more. and for sure, there are only some of the wembley performances i liked; i wasn't into all the ones i heard. i really love the brisbane performances i've heard. i'd love to hear what one of the live performances sound like on vinyl.
i also like hearing the intermissions in between, as michael does a clothes change or whatever. this is usually missing in the videos. i'd also love to hear a paris show in full.
do you have recordings from other tours? i posted some of my favourite performances a lot earlier in this thread, but i think it got lost. i could try to find it and repost. i'll go do that, i'd like to see what you think.
I have recordings from the Destiny Tour, Victory Tour, Bad Tour, Dangerous Tour, and HIStory tour. Bad and Dangerous are the best ones. The Tokyo New Years Eve show during the Dangerous Tour is the best sounding Dangerous era bootleg
I have recordings from the Destiny Tour, Victory Tour, Bad Tour, Dangerous Tour, and HIStory tour. Bad and Dangerous are the best ones. The Tokyo New Years Eve show during the Dangerous Tour is the best sounding Dangerous era bootleg
I wonder why no one has leaked the bootleg live audio yet on YouTube like some Aretha Franklin's fans do for Aretha.
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A lot IS on Youtube. Here's a list of stuff that's out there
for example from the bad tour....
Bad Tour Live Barcelona *Rehearsal W/O MJ * (fair quality) (only 7 songs)
Bad Tour Live Barcelona (really good quality)
Bad Tour Live Brisbane (pro quality) (video rip)
Bad Tour Live Cologne ( I haven't listened to this one yet)
Bad Tour Live Cork (good quality)
Bad Tour Gelsenkirchen (okay quality)
Bad Tour Live Gothenbeurg (medium quality)
Bad Tour Live Hannover (good quality)
Bad Tour Live Kansas *only 3 songs*(pro quality) (rip of the video special)
Bad Tour Live Leeds *birthday show* (good quality)
Bad Tour Live Liverpool (good quality) (good quality)
Bad Tour Live London (medium quality) (from amateur video)? Jully 1988
Bad Tour Live London (medium quality) 14th Jully 1988
Bad Tour Live London (excellent quality) 14th Jully 1988
Bad Tour Live London (good quality) 15th Jully 1988
Bad Tour Live London (excellent quality) 26th August 1988
Bad Tour Live Los Angeles (very bad quality)
Bad Tour Live Los Angeles *last show 89*(Excellent quality)
Bad Tour Live Madrid (excellent quality)
Bad Tour Live Marbella (medium quality)
Bad Tour Live New York (good quality)
Bad Tour Live Osaka (pro quality)
Bad Tour Live Paris (good quality)
Bad Tour Live Roma (excellent quality)
Bad Tour Live Roma (medium quality)
Bad Tour Live Rotterdam (excellent quality)
Bad Tour Live Rotterdam (excellent quality, master tape)
Bad Tour Live Tokyo 87(pro quality)
Bad Tour Live Tokyo 3th leg (bad quality)
Bad Tour Live Turin (excellent quality)
Bad Tour Live Werchter (good quality)
Bad Tour Live Wurzburg (good quality)
Bad Tour Live Yohokama (pro quality)
I haven't listened to all of these and there are more out there
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