Well, Bon Jovi's quote about Steve Jobs is everywhere now. And getting mocked left and right.

If you are famous, it's ok to have an opinion, but if you are going to stick your neck out and say something that is sure to raise eyebrows, at least say something within the realm of reality.

I like Jon, he seems like a good guy, but this is one of those quotes that is going to leave him the butt of jokes for a time to come.

At any rate, his music is still on iTunes and collecting "something" instead of the "nothing" before iTunes came along and made you put a ring on it and made it legal.

Who knows, maybe he will yank his music off of iTunes to teach Jobs a lesson.

Below is Jon's quote.

Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it..

God, it was a magical, magical time...I hate to sound like an old man now, but I am, and you mark my words, in a generation from now people are going to say: 'What happened?' Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business.

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V10LETBLUES said:

Well, Bon Jovi's quote about Steve Jobs is everywhere now. And getting mocked left and right.

If you are famous, it's ok to have an opinion, but if you are going to stick your neck out and say something that is sure to raise eyebrows, at least say something within the realm of reality.

I like Jon, he seems like a good guy, but this is one of those quotes that is going to leave him the butt of jokes for a time to come.

At any rate, his music is still on iTunes and collecting "something" instead of the "nothing" before iTunes came along and made you put a ring on it and made it legal.

Who knows, maybe he will yank his music off of iTunes to teach Jobs a lesson.

Below is Jon's quote.

Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it..

God, it was a magical, magical time...I hate to sound like an old man now, but I am, and you mark my words, in a generation from now people are going to say: 'What happened?' Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business.

[Edited 3/14/11 15:40pm]

The only thing he was off on was "steve jobs killed music" it was on life support and he just pulled the plug. iTunes was viewed as a help to downloading illegally and to some extent it was but lets not BS here, its wasy to steal shit and people do, so that argument is over and done with, if people can get something for free they will. NOW the other argument is totally right, Steve is not the main blame but one of them, Digital fucking sucks, plain and simple, listen to an interview with Inxs frontman JD fortune, now this dude is about 10 years younger than Jon, and Jon isnt old or sounding old, he's just pointing out what we all said, so hes not off base, and anyone on this forum that says he is is totally contradicting themselves. He is saying the "experience" you got, and that is true, sorry, but it is and y'all know it, now the new album is a stupid little fucking sqaure, who cares who played on it, who wrote it etc...those days are gone and Jon just echoed those words.

Now of course the easy joke will be "jon you killed music" but lets be real, if you think Bon Jovi is the "death of music" holy shit i hope you arent listening to anything new that has come out and saying "damn this is great".

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

Sadly, with the way music now days- most people aren't liking albums in their entirety anymore. They'll like two or three singles and that's it.

suga10 said:

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

Sadly, with the way music now days- most people aren't liking albums in their entirety anymore. They'll like two or three singles and that's it.

Yeah i totally see the point, and he is 100% right, my guess is the "blogger" or whatever took his qoute and hyped it up that way to sound like he is saying Steve personally killed music. But the idea of digital and the way its set up has just ruined that effect you would have gotten, sorry, but he is right peeps. I mean if i was a kid today would i care? would i be saving my allowance to by this "little square" on a machine, or better yet, would i even be buying it? do kids buy stuff now? i mean really now.

lastdecember said:

suga10 said:

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

Sadly, with the way music now days- most people aren't liking albums in their entirety anymore. They'll like two or three singles and that's it.

Yeah i totally see the point, and he is 100% right, my guess is the "blogger" or whatever took his qoute and hyped it up that way to sound like he is saying Steve personally killed music. But the idea of digital and the way its set up has just ruined that effect you would have gotten, sorry, but he is right peeps. I mean if i was a kid today would i care? would i be saving my allowance to by this "little square" on a machine, or better yet, would i even be buying it? do kids buy stuff now? i mean really now.

I was thinking the same thing. Kids today don't know what they are missing to even know the difference, unlike folks my age who would pick up a cd and pour over the inside booklet/ read the liner notes. Kids today don't care about that stuff, they are more into the dowloading instant single songs, except for a tiny nitch that has this thing for old school vinyl.

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lastdecember said:

suga10 said:

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

Sadly, with the way music now days- most people aren't liking albums in their entirety anymore. They'll like two or three singles and that's it.

Yeah i totally see the point, and he is 100% right, my guess is the "blogger" or whatever took his qoute and hyped it up that way to sound like he is saying Steve personally killed music. But the idea of digital and the way its set up has just ruined that effect you would have gotten, sorry, but he is right peeps. I mean if i was a kid today would i care? would i be saving my allowance to by this "little square" on a machine, or better yet, would i even be buying it? do kids buy stuff now? i mean really now.

In my opinion, the only way to make people buy music in the store again, would be to cut down the prices of CD's drastically which will make people think- should I pay $1.29 for one song or should I just get the whole album for maybe 5 bucks (as opposed to having it normally at 10 bucks)?

However the labels will all get screwed over if they were to cut back on cd costs, but in my opinion that would be the only way you can convince more people to buy music in physical form.

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suga10 said:

lastdecember said:

Yeah i totally see the point, and he is 100% right, my guess is the "blogger" or whatever took his qoute and hyped it up that way to sound like he is saying Steve personally killed music. But the idea of digital and the way its set up has just ruined that effect you would have gotten, sorry, but he is right peeps. I mean if i was a kid today would i care? would i be saving my allowance to by this "little square" on a machine, or better yet, would i even be buying it? do kids buy stuff now? i mean really now.

In my opinion, the only way to make people buy music in the store again, would be to cut down the prices of CD's drastically which will make people think- should I pay $1.29 for one song or should I just get the whole album for maybe 5 bucks (as opposed to having it normally at 10 bucks)?

However the labels will all get screwed over if they were to cut back on cd costs, but in my opinion that would be the only way you can convince more people to buy music in physical form.

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i think thats a dead issue though, i think its all about the marketing of it, and the importance to young kids as it is/was important to us. I can say to a 15 year old, guess who played on this album and they dont care, they dont care about songwriter, they care if they got the new ringtone that their friend has, they care about their new cell phone, all that media took over, and "meal"

We have been up and down this avenue. The internet makes it too easy too steal music. To "share" music.

There is a lot of blame to spead around, but we the music consumers are mostly to blame. We have no problem paying $30+ bucks a month for internet access (well, mostly becase we do not have a choice) but we can scoff at paying $15 for a full lenght CD becasue we know we can get away without paying for it.

In regards to packaging, there is no one stopping anyone from selling packaged goods. It is just not viable for most artists or for brick and mortar stores. And not really the best way to go about it anyhow. At least for most junk that is released. The less packaging that ends up in our waste disposals the better. Packaging for the most part will never come back for a ton of very good and valid reasons. Romantic, sentimental nostalgia goes away peacefully like reminiscing about passing the blacksmith's shop on your way to the penny arcade.

But Jon's quote was specifically "Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business."

http://music.msn.com/musi...fid=100055

V10LETBLUES said:

We have been up and down this avenue. The internet makes it too easy too steal music. To "share" music.

There is a lot of blame to spead around, but we the music consumers are mostly to blame. We have no problem paying $30+ bucks a month for internet access (well, mostly becase we do not have a choice) but we can scoff at paying $15 for a full lenght CD becasue we know we can get away without paying for it.

In regards to packaging, there is no one stopping anyone from selling packaged goods. It is just not viable for most artists or for brick and mortar stores. And not really the best way to go about it anyhow. At least for most junk that is released. The less packaging that ends up in our waste disposals the better. Packaging for the most part will never come back for a ton of very good and valid reasons. Romantic, sentimental nostalgia goes away peacefully like reminiscing about passing the blacksmith's shop on your way to the penny arcade.

But Jon's quote was specifically "Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business."

http://music.msn.com/musi...fid=100055

pricing is not the issue and never was, it was a scapegoat, but in reality the price of a cd is comparable to what an album price was at that time. Now quality in music, well we can argue it up and down for days and threads and we all have, that again, not an issue. The fact is Music in the USA for the most part is not marketed properly to its demographic that actually buys it, its a bad business, retail stores, real ones are gone, Best Buy is just about written off music as anything but that impulse buy and has plans on running music departments with 75% less in stores this year and going forward. But like said its all in the way music can be obtained, i can go on any site now and get the new britney spears 2-3 weeks early, and not have to deal with a line in a store, do i care which 58 producers she used, no, and thats where its at. Now on the flip side, when i want to know or feel that the artist is MUSICALLY IMPORTANT, like say the new Duran Duran or Ryan Adams Norah Jones etc....i wanna know who is playing where they wrote it and with who, thats the difference in demographics, now if YOU MARKETED to that demographic you would make more money, but you are marketing "hype" like Gaga and things like that, i mean this chick has to wear a fucking meat outfit to get noticed, sad! and thats why its where it is. Jon is right, but it will fall on deaf ears because anyone under 30 doesnt even know him, or that experience he is talking about

lastdecember said:

pricing is not the issue and never was, it was a scapegoat, but in reality the price of a cd is comparable to what an album price was at that time. Now quality in music, well we can argue it up and down for days and threads and we all have, that again, not an issue. The fact is Music in the USA for the most part is not marketed properly to its demographic that actually buys it, its a bad business, retail stores, real ones are gone, Best Buy is just about written off music as anything but that impulse buy and has plans on running music departments with 75% less in stores this year and going forward. But like said its all in the way music can be obtained, i can go on any site now and get the new britney spears 2-3 weeks early, and not have to deal with a line in a store, do i care which 58 producers she used, no, and thats where its at. Now on the flip side, when i want to know or feel that the artist is MUSICALLY IMPORTANT, like say the new Duran Duran or Ryan Adams Norah Jones etc....i wanna know who is playing where they wrote it and with who, thats the difference in demographics, now if YOU MARKETED to that demographic you would make more money, but you are marketing "hype" like Gaga and things like that, i mean this chick has to wear a fucking meat outfit to get noticed, sad! and thats why its where it is. Jon is right, but it will fall on deaf ears because anyone under 30 doesnt even know him, or that experience he is talking about

But what is the difference between marketing and hype? They go hand in hand. And if there is one thing the USA is good at, go or bad, it that nobody does marketing like the US does marketing. I really think that is the scapegoat.

I do agree that the quality of music has gone down. People tell me all the time that good music is out there. I am sure it is, but even in this age of Google it is very hard to find. And completely subjective too.

I think it all goes back to an industry that has not figured out how to prevent or make money from downloads. Again, we will pay for internet access, gasoline and groceries because we have to. The same does not really apply to music downloads anymore. And no one wants to invest to much in something that does not make money. Well except Steve Jobs apparently.

V10LETBLUES said:

lastdecember said:

pricing is not the issue and never was, it was a scapegoat, but in reality the price of a cd is comparable to what an album price was at that time. Now quality in music, well we can argue it up and down for days and threads and we all have, that again, not an issue. The fact is Music in the USA for the most part is not marketed properly to its demographic that actually buys it, its a bad business, retail stores, real ones are gone, Best Buy is just about written off music as anything but that impulse buy and has plans on running music departments with 75% less in stores this year and going forward. But like said its all in the way music can be obtained, i can go on any site now and get the new britney spears 2-3 weeks early, and not have to deal with a line in a store, do i care which 58 producers she used, no, and thats where its at. Now on the flip side, when i want to know or feel that the artist is MUSICALLY IMPORTANT, like say the new Duran Duran or Ryan Adams Norah Jones etc....i wanna know who is playing where they wrote it and with who, thats the difference in demographics, now if YOU MARKETED to that demographic you would make more money, but you are marketing "hype" like Gaga and things like that, i mean this chick has to wear a fucking meat outfit to get noticed, sad! and thats why its where it is. Jon is right, but it will fall on deaf ears because anyone under 30 doesnt even know him, or that experience he is talking about

But what is the difference between marketing and hype? They go hand in hand. And if there is one thing the USA is good at, go or bad, it that nobody does marketing like the US does marketing. I really think that is the scapegoat.

I do agree that the quality of music has gone down. People tell me all the time that good music is out there. I am sure it is, but even in this age of Google it is very hard to find. And completely subjective too.

I think it all goes back to an industry that has not figured out how to prevent or make money from downloads. Again, we will pay for internet access, gasoline and groceries because we have to. The same does not really apply to music downloads anymore. And no one wants to invest to much in something that does not make money. Well except Steve Jobs apparently.

no the difference with HYPE and marketing is that HYPE is something you are creating, you market an album or product, it never was necessary for say prince to go out and do some BS a month before Purple Rain or for the label to hype that movie as the best thing ever, they marketed it properly and let it speak. Todays scapegoat is HYPE is the marketing, well that is the simple way out of not doing the job, its lazy, and HYPE usually 99% of the time has nothing to do with the actual product itself. We hype say Rihanna but its all about her clothes her look her videos and what she goes through in life, where is the marketing of her music, did i have to hear what Simon Lebon of duran duran ate for breakfast who he screwed who he punched etc...or did i have to hear about the music, its alot different now. You HYPE now because you are selling empty shells of artists, you market full artists big difference

suga10 said:

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

No, but that doesn't mean there aren't some pros that balance out (or even outweigh) the cons. Having all or the vast majority of music in my pocket is something I'd never give up. I had a Creative Nomad in 2000, but the iPod's debut in '01 changed music in my life for good and for the better. Furthermore, I can say that Steve Jobs is personally responsible for me becoming a huge Radiohead fan. I had a few tracks of theirs, but I purchased a few individual tracks when the iTunes Music Store first opened, fell in love with them, and eventually acquired the whole catalog. I would never have done that with an entire CD. (Funnily enough, Radiohead albums were later pulled for years because they objected to selling individual tracks.)

Overall, the iTunes Store is a good thing for music. The industry would be much worse right now without it.

I think the Steve Jobs bit was mostly tongue in cheek but I can totally relate to the rest of the quote, saving up my pennies to buy records and going over the album art and credits well into the night. Downloading is convenient but it seems so sterile or something...I can't describe it.

Everything about many of the artists currently being hyped is cheap, soul-less, gimmicky, formulaic, assembly line drivel. The focus seems to be on style over substance and another reason people aren't paying for it because they dont place much value on it. Hell, they can't even record a whole cd without a neverending parade of guest artist and flavor of the month producers making the same tired sounds ad nauseum. I'm not sure sales would be much better even if there were no way to download the stuff for free.

lastdecember said:

no the difference with HYPE and marketing is that HYPE is something you are creating, you market an album or product, it never was necessary for say prince to go out and do some BS a month before Purple Rain or for the label to hype that movie as the best thing ever, they marketed it properly and let it speak. Todays scapegoat is HYPE is the marketing, well that is the simple way out of not doing the job, its lazy, and HYPE usually 99% of the time has nothing to do with the actual product itself. We hype say Rihanna but its all about her clothes her look her videos and what she goes through in life, where is the marketing of her music, did i have to hear what Simon Lebon of duran duran ate for breakfast who he screwed who he punched etc...or did i have to hear about the music, its alot different now. You HYPE now because you are selling empty shells of artists, you market full artists big difference

Chris Rock said sort the same thing about 50 Cent and how his albums were marketed.

"He's the baddest MF in hip hop right now. He got shot nine times!"

Yeah, but what about the music? How are his lyrical skills?

"He got shot nine times!"

But what about the beats? Are they dope?

"He got shot nine times!"

But does he tell good stories in his rhymes?

"He got shot nine times!"

728huey said:

lastdecember said:

no the difference with HYPE and marketing is that HYPE is something you are creating, you market an album or product, it never was necessary for say prince to go out and do some BS a month before Purple Rain or for the label to hype that movie as the best thing ever, they marketed it properly and let it speak. Todays scapegoat is HYPE is the marketing, well that is the simple way out of not doing the job, its lazy, and HYPE usually 99% of the time has nothing to do with the actual product itself. We hype say Rihanna but its all about her clothes her look her videos and what she goes through in life, where is the marketing of her music, did i have to hear what Simon Lebon of duran duran ate for breakfast who he screwed who he punched etc...or did i have to hear about the music, its alot different now. You HYPE now because you are selling empty shells of artists, you market full artists big difference

Chris Rock said sort the same thing about 50 Cent and how his albums were marketed.

"He's the baddest MF in hip hop right now. He got shot nine times!"

Yeah, but what about the music? How are his lyrical skills?

"He got shot nine times!"

But what about the beats? Are they dope?

"He got shot nine times!"

But does he tell good stories in his rhymes?

"He got shot nine times!"

Exactly this guy was nothing but HYPE before he had a record, kind of like Drake, or Nicki Minaj etc...his claim to fame was he was shot, mostly a BS story to begin with, and his skills suck, he sucked then and now everyone who liked him claims he sucks and yet they were all over his hype

Don't he work 4 Iovine????

Ellie said:

I think the death of the album started around 1999. Napster was maybe just taking off but was not mainstream to people who weren't clued up on current Internet trends. What the mainstream were experiencing is a huge peak in album sales around the world, but with a lot of truly shitty music. At that time wasn't the CD single practically dead in the USA? The chart was ruled by radio airplay, but the industry made it that the only way to get the songs you love was to buy an expensive album full of crappy songs and just 2 good singles. Then they would repackage that shit album a year later with a few extra singles and if you wanted those, you'd have to buy it all over again. In time that sparked downloading illegally. I don't blame iTunes, I blame the greedy industry 12 years ago. This was particularly evident with that huge wave of pop music like Backstreet Boys, N'Sync and Britney, so it was even worse that young teens were the ones being ripped off. The downloading culture may be here because of convenience, but the death of the album came about long before iTunes went mainstream.

Agreed. Also album prices hovering around $20 a copy made a lot of consumers feel like they were being robbed.

suga10 said:

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

I'll say this about downloading music.

It sure has expanded my musical knowledge, I've stumbled upon artists from the yesteryears in the past 2 years than I did in my whole entire life. It made every obscure thing that I would've paid a considerable amount of time & money to search for in say Toronto's record stores pretty accessible and it sure revived my interest in other forms of music I wouldn't have been exposed to.

That being said, I relate to his quote except the Steve Jobs part, I think there're waaaay bigger issues to address than just plain ol' Itunes.

Artists have to take their share of the blame for how it's ended up. We've all bought albums in good faith only to discover the only good song on the whole disc is the single. Can you really blame consumers for just buying the song they like after years of being screwed??

MattyJam said:

Artists have to take their share of the blame for how it's ended up. We've all bought albums in good faith only to discover the only good song on the whole disc is the single. Can you really blame consumers for just buying the song they like after years of being screwed??

+ like.

Damn Street Fighter: The Motion Picture album.

spacedolphin said:

MattyJam said:

Artists have to take their share of the blame for how it's ended up. We've all bought albums in good faith only to discover the only good song on the whole disc is the single. Can you really blame consumers for just buying the song they like after years of being screwed??

+ like.

Damn Street Fighter: The Motion Picture album.

... well, the clue should've been in the title with that one!

Harlepolis said:

suga10 said:

He has a point in a way.

You can't get that same experience by downloading music that you do by buying music in physical form at the store.

I'll say this about downloading music.

It sure has expanded my musical knowledge, I've stumbled upon artists from the yesteryears in the past 2 years than I did in my whole entire life. It made every obscure thing that I would've paid a considerable amount of time & money to search for in say Toronto's record stores pretty accessible and it sure revived my interest in other forms of music I wouldn't have been exposed to.

Thank you! Too many people complain about downloading music without ever addressing the positives.

I have to say my life sort of improved when I started downloading music and didn't buy as much of it anymore. I started to have more money for food and I could also spend more on social life. Of course, I miss the times when I was younger, got an album from a record store with whatever little money I had left, came back home and just got lost in the music. On the other hand, it's not a very good argument that the music itself would become "magical" just because you pay more for it. What does that say of the consumerist / capitalist mindset?

I feel the pricing of records was an issue, even if the price of CDs would have been "comparable" to what LPs cost back in the day. There was just no justification whatsoever with the records being considerably pricier than what, say, magazines were. Manufacturing CDs in large quantities is fairly cheap and for a while they were able to shove down our throats the mental image of them being "high-tech" and keeping the prices high too. They really should have cut off the manufacturing and marketing costs involved early enough.

MattyJam said:

Artists have to take their share of the blame for how it's ended up. We've all bought albums in good faith only to discover the only good song on the whole disc is the single. Can you really blame consumers for just buying the song they like after years of being screwed??

Yep.

Every cause has an effect, and unfortunately, many people became skeptical and jaded with the products that get shoved down their throats.

Thank you streaming, this gave me a chance to put my money on folks who actually deserve it.

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interesting opinion by Bon Jovi

Great new music is out there. It never went away. Its just harder to find.

If you wait for acts to hit the charts, then you are just riding the labels agenda.

As far as I keep hearing every year, general music sales have been increasing. The difference is that it's not reflected so much in the charts and the public are not just concentrating on the same 10-20 albums/artists year in year out.

So while you may not get multiple 20 million selling albums these days, smaller artists and catalogue acts are selling more and it's just spread out a lot further. The rise of downloading co-incided with me turning to adulthood, so I don't know what came first but like a lot of you, there are so many artists and albums that I've discovered online in the last 10 years that I never would have heard about without it, letalone been able to find and buy their music so readily.

Jon Bon Jovi is one to talk too - they haven't made a decent entire studio album in about 18 years - and I say that as a former fan (somewhat ashamedly).

Cover Art comeback, Table...xperiences

Melissa Wilfley

I remember reading some articles a few years ago about how album cover art was a dying art due to people purchasing music online. First the album art was reduced to fit a CD case then became almost a non-existent thumbnail online through iTunes, Napster, etc.

Now with the popularity of tablet PCs - thank you Apple iPad - this art is making a strong comeback. Currently you can view full screen album art while playing your music on your iPad, download and play music quiz games with your album art and view all your albums by cover.

Why is this important? Because we are moving towards a more visual and realistic display of everyday items and intents. Think about what this could mean to UX design - emulating tangible tasks through virtual experiences (don't even get me going on the 3D aspect of this .

For example -wouldn't it be great to recreate the record store environment through a touch-screen interface. You could provide the fun of discovering new music by shuffling through a row of records, alphabetically or randomly as well as providing more traditional search patterns found online. Just slide your finger to shuffle through a row of records and tap the one you're viewing to select.

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