By JeffRoyer
Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:53:41 GMT

[Edited 3/11/11 14:00pm]

Well he is only saying what everyone new already, ask Eddie's ex-wife, ex-lead singer the first time, ex-bassist and of course Gary Cherone, who got scumbagged and made to look like a guy who had no talent, ask them all who the asshole is. Eddie made this band and destroyed it, they are a dead issue, pray to god they dont come out with this new record, its been rumoured for awhile, some reporter claims to have heard it, but on the DL he says he heard nothing but studio jams about nothing, so Van Halen is a finished thing at this point.

OK we get it Sammy, Eddie is a screw-up. I thought that was common knowledge though.

Timmy84 said:

OK we get it Sammy, Eddie is a screw-up. I thought that was common knowledge though.

I recently saw a new interview with Extreme Front man Gary Cherone who was the lead singer on Van Halen III, and he was very open about that whole album, didnt really blame anyone but he did say that he was brought in, the record was already mostly done, he felt they shouldnt have toured so soon. But what bothered me, and though Gary didnt say this because he is too nice, but Eddie left that guy holding the bag of the shambles that band was in, people were blaming Gary for Sammy's dismissal and people who hated Sammy really hated Gary, and sorry but Gary wasnt wrong for a band Eddie and ALEX too, are not cut for band life and never were. So like i said before, it was classy of Sammy to go on and accept that RNR fame award with Michael (the 2 guys eddie lost because hes a dick) and also give props to Gary for being a part of eddies mess. But thank god Gary left, he's too talented to be in that thing anymore

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

OK we get it Sammy, Eddie is a screw-up. I thought that was common knowledge though.

I recently saw a new interview with Extreme Front man Gary Cherone who was the lead singer on Van Halen III, and he was very open about that whole album, didnt really blame anyone but he did say that he was brought in, the record was already mostly done, he felt they shouldnt have toured so soon. But what bothered me, and though Gary didnt say this because he is too nice, but Eddie left that guy holding the bag of the shambles that band was in, people were blaming Gary for Sammy's dismissal and people who hated Sammy really hated Gary, and sorry but Gary wasnt wrong for a band Eddie and ALEX too, are not cut for band life and never were. So like i said before, it was classy of Sammy to go on and accept that RNR fame award with Michael (the 2 guys eddie lost because hes a dick) and also give props to Gary for being a part of eddies mess. But thank god Gary left, he's too talented to be in that thing anymore

Anything specific about how Eddie blamed Gary for the failure of VH III? I've never even heard the album but I'm a fan of Extreme and would have much preferred things had they never split.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

OK we get it Sammy, Eddie is a screw-up. I thought that was common knowledge though.

I recently saw a new interview with Extreme Front man Gary Cherone who was the lead singer on Van Halen III, and he was very open about that whole album, didnt really blame anyone but he did say that he was brought in, the record was already mostly done, he felt they shouldnt have toured so soon. But what bothered me, and though Gary didnt say this because he is too nice, but Eddie left that guy holding the bag of the shambles that band was in, people were blaming Gary for Sammy's dismissal and people who hated Sammy really hated Gary, and sorry but Gary wasnt wrong for a band Eddie and ALEX too, are not cut for band life and never were. So like i said before, it was classy of Sammy to go on and accept that RNR fame award with Michael (the 2 guys eddie lost because hes a dick) and also give props to Gary for being a part of eddies mess. But thank god Gary left, he's too talented to be in that thing anymore

Eddie's an oddball for real.

I feel a little bit compassionate for Eddie and his twisted paths. I don't think he's terribly different from Prince, except Prince never let booze or drugs dominate him and Eddie did. All part of the party lifestyle that Van Halen was founded on, and everyone including myself worshipped him for. People can say he's a dickhead, but it's not like his millions of adoring fans challenged him to be anything but.

Sammy is probably the coolest guy but his time with Van Halen produced some pretty mediocre music. And for whatever it's worth, Dave may be a "robot" but VH from 78-84 was simply the best damn rock act by a mile, period.

You know, it's really a shame. It's been almost 20 years since Van Halen was at all relevant, and that's a tragedy. They could still be cranking out great rock albums - either with DLR or Sammy, but they completely collapsed. At their peak they were amazing. Eddie could have made it last so much longer if he'd have been able to clean up.

I have a great deal of respect for Sammy. He's a terrific vocalist and and seems very down to earth compared to Roth and Eddie and alot of other rockers. He's had alot of success w/ his ventures and he's a smart, talented guy. Very much looking forward to reading his book.

I liked both the DLR and Sammy versions of VH. They were different, and both had something to offer. I thought "Why Can't This Be Love" was one of the best hard rock songs from that era. Still sounds good.

I'll be a fan until the day I die. Sammy era and DLR, I grew with this music as a backdrop to my life. It always maks me laugh when people bash the Sammy years of Van Halen when that was the only era that the band was actually successful on the charts. DLR has forgotten lyrics and been to drunk to perform (1980 show I saw), not to metion that bluegrass version of Jump...WTF?

It's sad that Eddie has lost his mind but I saw what Sammy was referring to first hand and I was embarrassed for Eddie. Alex seemed to get better then he ever was on drums but whatever. I hope Eddie get's his shit together befroe he self-destructs.

Slave2daGroove said:

It always maks me laugh when people bash the Sammy years of Van Halen when that was the only era that the band was actually successful on the charts.

The Diamond Dave era had hits on the rock radio chart that was in Billboard during the 80's. They didn't really cross over to Top 40 pop until Jump.

I remember when the VH rumours kicked in of Gary Cherone joining in, it seemed like a good idea on paper. I was a little pissed that Dave and VH couldn't make it work. Being able to see

the original VH (right after seeing the original KISS do their thing) would have been great.

When the recording sessions happened I heard they were really going to let loose and rock out again. Even Cherone's bandmate (Nuno) said the stuff VH were cranking out sounded like the old early stuff. I was actually excited to hear it.

Needless to say when I heard the whole CD it was less then memorable. I even fell asleep while listening to the second 1/2 of it. As mentioned before, Gary (unrightfully so) took a lot of the heat

for that CD. A lot of people also ragged on his frontman attire and called him a LOT of nasty and homophobic names. I think deep down Ed knew he made a mistake and to keep the fans they started playing a lot of the old rare stuff on that tour. Good move but too late.

Eddie from 98 to 07 went thru his "Charlie Sheen" phase and was real delusional. Drugs, alcohol,

divorce and sadly his illness robbed him. From the recent clips of him at NAMM 2011 he looks like

he's got it together. I'm not holding my breath on this new 2011 CD with Dave, Al and Wolfie but

it'll be interesting to hear (if it EVER comes out).

..and though Sammy will admit he's not perfect he has every right to feel the way he does. I'm not a fan of Chickenfoot but I'm glad Sammy and Mike hooked up and did very well with their band. Sammy and Mike always seemed like cool and classy guys.

SPYZFAN1 said:

I remember when the VH rumours kicked in of Gary Cherone joining in, it seemed like a good idea on paper. I was a little pissed that Dave and VH couldn't make it work. Being able to see

the original VH (right after seeing the original KISS do their thing) would have been great.

When the recording sessions happened I heard they were really going to let loose and rock out again. Even Cherone's bandmate (Nuno) said the stuff VH were cranking out sounded like the old early stuff. I was actually excited to hear it.

Needless to say when I heard the whole CD it was less then memorable. I even fell asleep while listening to the second 1/2 of it. As mentioned before, Gary (unrightfully so) took a lot of the heat

for that CD. A lot of people also ragged on his frontman attire and called him a LOT of nasty and homophobic names. I think deep down Ed knew he made a mistake and to keep the fans they started playing a lot of the old rare stuff on that tour. Good move but too late.

Eddie from 98 to 07 went thru his "Charlie Sheen" phase and was real delusional. Drugs, alcohol,

divorce and sadly his illness robbed him. From the recent clips of him at NAMM 2011 he looks like

he's got it together. I'm not holding my breath on this new 2011 CD with Dave, Al and Wolfie but

it'll be interesting to hear (if it EVER comes out).

..and though Sammy will admit he's not perfect he has every right to feel the way he does. I'm not a fan of Chickenfoot but I'm glad Sammy and Mike hooked up and did very well with their band. Sammy and Mike always seemed like cool and classy guys.

Very good and i agree on it all, Gary was a huge scapegoat for blame, and what bothered me was not that Eddie Blamed him he just left Gary holding the bag, if you are a band, have the guys back, Van Halen III was Eddie's mess, not Gary's, but fans trashed Gary up and down, at shows and anywhere possible, but now look who is still doing good music in Extreme again and who is putting a band together with the mailman and his son and his next door neighbor because no one can take his shit anymore. Gary could have fit but Eddie pushed him into a mess, and then used him as blame for the album the tour the fans response, when in reality Gary just took the lead singing over, and coming from Extreme which i know VH fans have issue with NUNO basically because NUNO could play Eddie off the planet on guitar, but the fact they had a "ballad" hit was viewed as a "gay thing" which is stupid because some of Halens biggest hits were slow songs, and there biggest hit was a "keyboard" song. So Gary was dead in the water from the minute he took the gig.

Slave2daGroove said:

I'll be a fan until the day I die. Sammy era and DLR, I grew with this music as a backdrop to my life. It always maks me laugh when people bash the Sammy years of Van Halen when that was the only era that the band was actually successful on the charts. DLR has forgotten lyrics and been to drunk to perform (1980 show I saw), not to metion that bluegrass version of Jump...WTF?

It's sad that Eddie has lost his mind but I saw what Sammy was referring to first hand and I was embarrassed for Eddie. Alex seemed to get better then he ever was on drums but whatever. I hope Eddie get's his shit together befroe he self-destructs.

Not the album charts. Van Halen and 1984 combined outsold the Sammy Hagar albums combined.

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abigail05 said:

I feel a little bit compassionate for Eddie and his twisted paths. I don't think he's terribly different from Prince, except Prince never let booze or drugs dominate him and Eddie did. All part of the party lifestyle that Van Halen was founded on, and everyone including myself worshipped him for. People can say he's a dickhead, but it's not like his millions of adoring fans challenged him to be anything but.

Sammy is probably the coolest guy but his time with Van Halen produced some pretty mediocre music. And for whatever it's worth, Dave may be a "robot" but VH from 78-84 was simply the best damn rock act by a mile, period.

Yeah these cats were the real deal. Other bands wanted to be them and ladies wanted to be with them. Most hard rock bands of that era had all or mostly guys in attendance. Van halen was 50/50. They set the bar from their debut, on stage and on record!
My two biggest influences on my guitar playing when I was learning was Edward and Prince. They both had a very different approach than each other, so it was the best of both worlds!

"My two biggest influences on my guitar playing when I was learning was Edward and Prince".

Co-sign. The ultimate guitar tone for me is the gain from the 1st 2 VH records combined with P's funky/bluesy single coil tone. I've worked on that tone for years and I think I finally got it.

And DLR has always said cool things about P back in the 80's so I'm sure he caught a lot of shows (since they were on the same label) back then.

abigail05 said:

I feel a little bit compassionate for Eddie and his twisted paths. I don't think he's terribly different from Prince, except Prince never let booze or drugs dominate him and Eddie did.

Compared to EVH Prince is a model of humility.

Jboogiee said:

Also,it was fucked up how Eddie & Alex fucked over Michael Anthony.

I don't know. They're mom passed away and even DLR went to give his respects. Michael Anthony didn't even call. They didn't fire him. He stopped hanging out with them and hung with Hagar . Naturally they were jamming with Wolfgang and the rest is history. So he wasn't called to come and jam, but he didn't go there on his own. Sometimes people grow apart after many years. It happens, so it's strange that people feel the need to try to place blame.

We've seen the same type of thing happen with Prince and former band members. How many times has he changed band members since the beginning? Fans want what they remember as the best band ever, but those invovled has grown apart or moved on. Or been kicked to the curb in some cases!

sunlite said:

Jboogiee said:

Also,it was fucked up how Eddie & Alex fucked over Michael Anthony.

I don't know. They're mom passed away and even DLR went to give his respects. Michael Anthony didn't even call. They didn't fire him. He stopped hanging out with them and hung with Hagar . Naturally they were jamming with Wolfgang and the rest is history. So he wasn't called to come and jam, but he didn't go there on his own. Sometimes people grow apart after many years. It happens, so it's strange that people feel the need to try to place blame.

Well, you're overlooking the fact that when Van Halen reunited in 2004 with Sammy Hagar, Eddie didn't want Michael on that tour! Only after Sammy insisted and Michael accepted a pay cut, Eddie agreed to tour with Michael... and Michael wasn't part of the band, he toured with them as a hired musician! And they recorded the new songs for the "Best of both worlds" compilation without Michael. Van Halen's mother died in 2005... so it's no wonder that Michael didn't contact them after what they did to him the previous year.

Timmy84 said:

OK we get it Sammy, Eddie is a screw-up. I thought that was common knowledge though.

Pretty much . . . a day in the life of a Rock & Roll band. Carry on.

PatrickS77 said:

sunlite said:

I don't know. They're mom passed away and even DLR went to give his respects. Michael Anthony didn't even call. They didn't fire him. He stopped hanging out with them and hung with Hagar . Naturally they were jamming with Wolfgang and the rest is history. So he wasn't called to come and jam, but he didn't go there on his own. Sometimes people grow apart after many years. It happens, so it's strange that people feel the need to try to place blame.

Well, you're overlooking the fact that when Van Halen reunited in 2004 with Sammy Hagar, Eddie didn't want Michael on that tour! Only after Sammy insisted and Michael accepted a pay cut, Eddie agreed to tour with Michael... and Michael wasn't part of the band, he toured with them as a hired musician! And they recorded the new songs for the "Best of both worlds" compilation without Michael. Van Halen's mother died in 2005... so it's no wonder that Michael didn't contact them after what they did to him the previous year.

Truth be told Eddie and Dave wanted Billy Sheehan in the band as early as 1980, when his band Talas was the opening act on that tour. Alex didn't want him(iBilly would have taken the spotlight off of his brother), so it didn't happen. So it's no surprise that he was eventually gonna get kicked off the ride after 30 years. Divorce is never nice and easy, whether it's marriage or a band!

^^Doesn't change the fact that Eddie and Alex fucked over Michael!

Michael is definitely the most decent guy to come out of the original van halen, and he was part of the special formula. For them to want to launch him is just insanity in my eyes.

I guess I can see why Eddie would want Wolfgang in the new lineup. But what they did to Mike back then was just stupid. Eddie and Alex are dicks.

abigail05 said:

Michael is definitely the most decent guy to come out of the original van halen, and he was part of the special formula. For them to want to launch him is just insanity in my eyes.

I guess I can see why Eddie would want Wolfgang in the new lineup. But what they did to Mike back then was just stupid. Eddie and Alex are dicks.

totally agreed there is no other way to sum it up and its all well known the BS that went on in 2004 and on that tour, using Michael as a "hired hand", are u kidding me, without this guy you dont even have the harmonies, who the hell do people think are singing the highest parts? Eddie? Alex? shit it was Michael, and as good as Eddie is on that Guitar, Michael's rythym is what made this band a full band. without Michael its just a band with a great guitar player. The reason that Eddie didnt want Michael in was that Michael couldnt deal with Eddie's shit, and when Sammy did his thing outside the band Michael played on his album, Eddie's ego got hurt by that and he went on a power trip, basically "punihsing" michael and not letting him on the records, eddie played the bass parts.

lastdecember said:

abigail05 said:

Michael is definitely the most decent guy to come out of the original van halen, and he was part of the special formula. For them to want to launch him is just insanity in my eyes.

I guess I can see why Eddie would want Wolfgang in the new lineup. But what they did to Mike back then was just stupid. Eddie and Alex are dicks.

totally agreed there is no other way to sum it up and its all well known the BS that went on in 2004 and on that tour, using Michael as a "hired hand", are u kidding me, without this guy you dont even have the harmonies, who the hell do people think are singing the highest parts? Eddie? Alex? shit it was Michael, and as good as Eddie is on that Guitar, Michael's rythym is what made this band a full band. without Michael its just a band with a great guitar player. The reason that Eddie didnt want Michael in was that Michael couldnt deal with Eddie's shit, and when Sammy did his thing outside the band Michael played on his album, Eddie's ego got hurt by that and he went on a power trip, basically "punihsing" michael and not letting him on the records, eddie played the bass parts.

Sort of. Michael had been loyal to the VH bros the entire time. They had wanted him out the entire time, though. He didn't work with Sammy until 2005, I thought? Which was after the whole mess of them trying to squeeze him out.

Spinlight said:

lastdecember said:

totally agreed there is no other way to sum it up and its all well known the BS that went on in 2004 and on that tour, using Michael as a "hired hand", are u kidding me, without this guy you dont even have the harmonies, who the hell do people think are singing the highest parts? Eddie? Alex? shit it was Michael, and as good as Eddie is on that Guitar, Michael's rythym is what made this band a full band. without Michael its just a band with a great guitar player. The reason that Eddie didnt want Michael in was that Michael couldnt deal with Eddie's shit, and when Sammy did his thing outside the band Michael played on his album, Eddie's ego got hurt by that and he went on a power trip, basically "punihsing" michael and not letting him on the records, eddie played the bass parts.

Sort of. Michael had been loyal to the VH bros the entire time. They had wanted him out the entire time, though. He didn't work with Sammy until 2005, I thought? Which was after the whole mess of them trying to squeeze him out.

they worked togehter in 2003, in 2002 when Dave and Sammy toured, sammy then did a live record called "hallelujah" in which Mike and even Gary Cherone did vocals and Mike played bass at times, so i know this burned Eddie up

lastdecember said:

Spinlight said:

Sort of. Michael had been loyal to the VH bros the entire time. They had wanted him out the entire time, though. He didn't work with Sammy until 2005, I thought? Which was after the whole mess of them trying to squeeze him out.

they worked togehter in 2003, in 2002 when Dave and Sammy toured, sammy then did a live record called "hallelujah" in which Mike and even Gary Cherone did vocals and Mike played bass at times, so i know this burned Eddie up

Ooooh, okay, I didnt know about that.