As a producer he has came up with some good beats that he obviously sampled from a lot of 1970's artists. other than the chronic and snoop dogg's first album what has he done that is so great. NWA had some some nice beats but lyrically they weren't saying much either. So why does Dre get so much praise?????

jaimestarr79 said:

As a producer he has came up with some good beats that he obviously sampled from a lot of 1970's artists. other than the chronic and snoop dogg's first album what has he done that is so great. NWA had some some nice beats but lyrically they weren't saying much either. So why does Dre get so much praise?????

I have been saying the same thing for years. I do not get why he gets so much praise.

laurarichardson said:

jaimestarr79 said:

As a producer he has came up with some good beats that he obviously sampled from a lot of 1970's artists. other than the chronic and snoop dogg's first album what has he done that is so great. NWA had some some nice beats but lyrically they weren't saying much either. So why does Dre get so much praise?????

I have been saying the same thing for years. I do not get why he gets so much praise.

I never understood it either. I mean there's no denying his influence on hip-hop culture and music, but when looking at the full scope, he's been doing the same thing since '92. Never was that big of a fan either.

I think Dr Dre gets a lot of props because he was with NWA and also because most of the records he's produced have been big hits like Snoop's 1st album, the Chronic etc. Although I think DJ Quik, J-Dilla, 9th Wonder and DJ Premier are more creative, but again they haven't sold as many records as Dre which is why they're not as famous.

thetimefan said:

I think Dr Dre gets a lot of props because he was with NWA and also because most of the records he's produced have been big hits like Snoop's 1st album, the Chronic etc. Although I think DJ Quik, J-Dilla, 9th Wonder and DJ Premier are more creative, but again they haven't sold as many records as Dre which is why they're not as famous.

Of all his peers who came from the same place and time, I think Quik & Battlecat are the superior producers IMO. Maybe I'm being partial toward Quik because he's from the Roger Troutman school, I'll admit that much, but overall he can take Dre, musically.

thetimefan said:

I think Dr Dre gets a lot of props because he was with NWA and also because most of the records he's produced have been big hits like Snoop's 1st album, the Chronic etc. Although I think DJ Quik, J-Dilla, 9th Wonder and DJ Premier are more creative, but again they haven't sold as many records as Dre which is why they're not as famous.

Lets not forget Daz Dillinger who they say produced a lot of that DeathRow stuff, but Dre got the credit.

He's better than a lot of his contemporaries. Jermaine Dupri, Swizz Beatz, Pharrell and all them.

musicjunky318 said:

He's better than a lot of his contemporaries. Jermaine Dupri, Swizz Beatz, Pharrell and all them.

might as well throw The Dream and Polow Da Don in there too.

He wasn't shit after he left The World Class Wrecking Crew. He left a rap group that could actually throwdown and became one of the main leaders to make shit hop type of rap mainstream and huge.

Yeah he gets TOO much credit. I heard someone ghost produced all the stuff he was credited with producing but they gave him the credit solely.

I forgot Battlecat & Daz. Cat's one of my favorite producers, surprised I didn't add him to my original post. Like Quik, Battlecat seems to be influenced by Roger Troutman too, he's used the talkbox & sampled Roger's music. There's a video of him making a beat on Youtube here

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Timmy84 said:

Yeah he gets TOO much credit. I heard someone ghost produced all the stuff he was credited with producing but they gave him the credit solely.

$$$$$$

Timmy84 said:

Yeah he gets TOO much credit. I heard someone ghost produced all the stuff he was credited with producing but they gave him the credit solely.

wha???? I hope they got paid LARGE! I couldn't do it myself. nuh uh.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah he gets TOO much credit. I heard someone ghost produced all the stuff he was credited with producing but they gave him the credit solely.

wha???? I hope they got paid LARGE! I couldn't do it myself. nuh uh.

Like Cap said, Dre got PAID. Probably more than he should've.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah he gets TOO much credit. I heard someone ghost produced all the stuff he was credited with producing but they gave him the credit solely.

wha???? I hope they got paid LARGE! I couldn't do it myself. nuh uh.

There is a lot of ghost productions going on.

Nice pay.............no TAX issues.

If I just heard "The Chronic", I would disagree. Yes, it's a lot of samples, but I still think there is something to using that music and the way the reocrds sound that is great. Jay-Z is a great rapper, but a lot of his songs can sound very samey with the production.

Now after hearing that new song...I agree 100%!

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VinnyM27 said:

If I just heard "The Chronic", I would disagree. Yes, it's a lot of samples, but I still think there is something to using that music and the way the reocrds sound that is great. Jay-Z is a great rapper, but a lot of his songs can sound very samey with the production.

Now after hearing that new song...I agree 100%!

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Hell, just listen to "2001". I swore that was one of the worst mistakes of my young life was buying that boring piece of mess...

DJ Quik and Ant Bans also from the West are better producerd than Dre.

Timmy84 said:

VinnyM27 said:

If I just heard "The Chronic", I would disagree. Yes, it's a lot of samples, but I still think there is something to using that music and the way the reocrds sound that is great. Jay-Z is a great rapper, but a lot of his songs can sound very samey with the production.

Now after hearing that new song...I agree 100%!

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Hell, just listen to "2001". I swore that was one of the worst mistakes of my young life was buying that boring piece of mess...

The only two things that appealed to me out of that album when a friend let me borrow his copy was:

I'm not usually fond of album interludes, but that Jake Steed interlude was the best. I had that one on repeat. Call me sick, but I couldn't help but laugh. The rest was.....overhyped, overproduced and overkill.

The Chronic will always be the best thing he did, despite NWA (which I wasn't much of a fan of either).

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Join the club.

"Super Co-Producer"

Dre is like a successful coach, he takes credit for getting the most out of those who are actually doing all of the work.

That isn't to say that I don't like a handful of "Dre" instrumentals, but he doesn't deserve the individual praise that he recieves (mostly from the blind fans who don't know the FAX).

daytonohioplayer said:

thetimefan said:

I think Dr Dre gets a lot of props because he was with NWA and also because most of the records he's produced have been big hits like Snoop's 1st album, the Chronic etc. Although I think DJ Quik, J-Dilla, 9th Wonder and DJ Premier are more creative, but again they haven't sold as many records as Dre which is why they're not as famous.

Lets not forget Daz Dillinger who they say produced a lot of that DeathRow stuff, but Dre got the credit.

So he was the ghost producer huh?

Strange. I don't rate him at all.

Dre sure is looking hulkish these days

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Any rapper who still uses "faggot" in 2011 to me is a scumbag.

He's over rated now overall I do like him but mostly for his productions On Eminem albums and NWA but I know detox will be trash.

Agree on Quik taking Dre musically. It's not even close, Quik is a genius.

HOWEVER - I disagree with the general consensus in this thread.

Why? Because Dre is the only producer that has CHANGED the sound, the course of hip-hop not just once, not just twice, but THREE times. Regardless of co-producers and what not. He KNOWS what works and he has an intuition as to where things are headed that is above the level of his peers. He GIVES people careers and takes chances on people that most wouldn't. And he's a REAL producer in the original sense, not just in the hip-hop "beatmaker" sense. By that I mean he pushes his artists to do things they never would have done otherwise and he doesn't settle for anything less than the best performance they can possible give - it's said that he's recorded hundreds of vocal takes of artist that he's produced if he deems it necessary to get the best possible vocal performance. That's why damn near everyone who has worked with Dre as well as working with others, have done their BEST performances on Dre's songs. He pushes people hard and knows what people are capable of even more than they do themself. Let's look at the facts:

Snoop's best work ever is STILL "Doggystyle" and his performances on "The Chronic" and "2001".

Eminem's best work - his performances on his early albums that had more Dre productions than his most recent ones, and "2001".

Nate Dogg - aside from arguably Daz, his best stuff is on Dre's productions.

50 Cent - best album is still "Get Rich Or Die Trying", and most of the classic songs on there are Dre productions, like "In Da Club", and "Heat".

I mean, I could keep going.

Look at how hip-hop sounded before "Straight Outta Compton" and afterwards. That's the first time Dre changed the game. Look at how hip-hop sounded BEFORE "The Chronic"/"Doggystyle" and then compare it to after. That's the second. And then look at how hip-hop sounded prior to "2001" and then after. That's the third time. Dre has the intuition and the initiative to change the sonic course of an entire genre. It's a hard legacy to live up to, and that's why "Detox" has taken so long. It has to do the same.

Would Snoop be a star if it weren't for Dre? Would Eminem? Would 50? Would Ice Cube? Eminem couldn't get a deal. 50 was DROPPED from Columbia. What about someone like Eve - who was just another rapper signed to Ruff Ryders and only really known in the hip-hop world.... Dre made her a STAR in the pop world because of "Let Me Blow Your Mind". Look at Kanye West - who openly admits that he "got his entire sound" from Dre's "Xxplosive". Look at Mary J Blige - for as many amazing songs she made, she NEVER had a #1 Billboard hit, until Dre laced her with "Family Affair". Look at Scott Storch - an unknown keyboard player for The Roots, until Dre brought him into the circle and had him play on tracks like "Still D.R.E" - Storch built his entire career off the back of that and made millions.

Those are some of the reasons Dre gets as much props as he does. Now he's done a lot of shit that ain't so noteworthy, for sure.

But I FULLY understand why he commands the respect he does and I don't think it's right to try and trivialise his role in hip-hop, regardless of whether you like his music or not. He's more than earned his position.

I don't know either. It's not that I don't like Dr. Dre, I'm a fan, but he doesn't write his own lyrics, and he doesn't produce all this beats either.

Yea, I agree.

To me the best thing about Dre's productions is the sound quality, everything is full and rich. I think it was Rza who said Dre has the best ears in the business.

Has Daz ever personally made claim to songs he wasn't credited for? I think either "Natural Born Killaz" or "Keep Their Heads Ringin'" (perhaps both) is an emample of someone else producing the track (Sam Sneed) and Dre sharing credit. In his Death Row\G-Funk days you could make the argument that Daz or Sneed were simply following the blue-print established by Dre on the Chronic and Doggystyle.

I think Dre is like a director, he may designate certain tasks to someone working under him so he can concentrate on the overall project. He's def capable of producing a track from the ground up.

In short, Dre is talented and a legend but he is over-rated by the general public as standing head and shoulders above his contempories in terms of music.

edit- Co-sign everthing Militant said

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Militant said:

Agree on Quik taking Dre musically. It's not even close, Quik is a genius.

HOWEVER - I disagree with the general consensus in this thread.

Why? Because Dre is the only producer that has CHANGED the sound, the course of hip-hop not just once, not just twice, but THREE times. Regardless of co-producers and what not. He KNOWS what works and he has an intuition as to where things are headed that is above the level of his peers. He GIVES people careers and takes chances on people that most wouldn't. And he's a REAL producer in the original sense, not just in the hip-hop "beatmaker" sense. By that I mean he pushes his artists to do things they never would have done otherwise and he doesn't settle for anything less than the best performance they can possible give - it's said that he's recorded hundreds of vocal takes of artist that he's produced if he deems it necessary to get the best possible vocal performance. That's why damn near everyone who has worked with Dre as well as working with others, have done their BEST performances on Dre's songs. He pushes people hard and knows what people are capable of even more than they do themself. Let's look at the facts:

Snoop's best work ever is STILL "Doggystyle" and his performances on "The Chronic" and "2001".

Eminem's best work - his performances on his early albums that had more Dre productions than his most recent ones, and "2001".

Nate Dogg - aside from arguably Daz, his best stuff is on Dre's productions.

50 Cent - best album is still "Get Rich Or Die Trying", and most of the classic songs on there are Dre productions, like "In Da Club", and "Heat".

I mean, I could keep going.

Look at how hip-hop sounded before "Straight Outta Compton" and afterwards. That's the first time Dre changed the game. Look at how hip-hop sounded BEFORE "The Chronic"/"Doggystyle" and then compare it to after. That's the second. And then look at how hip-hop sounded prior to "2001" and then after. That's the third time. Dre has the intuition and the initiative to change the sonic course of an entire genre. It's a hard legacy to live up to, and that's why "Detox" has taken so long. It has to do the same.

Would Snoop be a star if it weren't for Dre? Would Eminem? Would 50? Would Ice Cube? Eminem couldn't get a deal. 50 was DROPPED from Columbia. What about someone like Eve - who was just another rapper signed to Ruff Ryders and only really known in the hip-hop world.... Dre made her a STAR in the pop world because of "Let Me Blow Your Mind". Look at Kanye West - who openly admits that he "got his entire sound" from Dre's "Xxplosive". Look at Mary J Blige - for as many amazing songs she made, she NEVER had a #1 Billboard hit, until Dre laced her with "Family Affair". Look at Scott Storch - an unknown keyboard player for The Roots, until Dre brought him into the circle and had him play on tracks like "Still D.R.E" - Storch built his entire career off the back of that and made millions.

Those are some of the reasons Dre gets as much props as he does. Now he's done a lot of shit that ain't so noteworthy, for sure.

But I FULLY understand why he commands the respect he does and I don't think it's right to try and trivialise his role in hip-hop, regardless of whether you like his music or not. He's more than earned his position.

But it won't.

It seems like Dre has lost motivation and is relying too heavily on Eminem for influence.

Dre has been 'working' on Detox since 2001 was released and I Need A Doctor is the best he could come up with?

This isn't the revolutionary sound we are accustomed to.

I find it funny that "Detox" was originally referencing marijauna but nowadays it seems like steriods are the only thing he is addicted to.