"Brand Nubian needs to get BEAT DOWN!!!!"

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i never got into this because it was so homophobic. but i absolutely love the lou donaldson track they sampled (a cover of the isley brothers' 'it's your thing').

MJJstudent said:

i never got into this because it was so homophobic. but i absolutely love the lou donaldson track they sampled (a cover of the isley brothers' 'it's your thing').

Hehehe, that's the only reason I dug it too. I didn't really get into what the hell they were saying. They all sounded indecipherable anyways. But if they were really being homophobic, then THEY need to get beat down.

Timmy84 said:

MJJstudent said:

i never got into this because it was so homophobic. but i absolutely love the lou donaldson track they sampled (a cover of the isley brothers' 'it's your thing').

Hehehe, that's the only reason I dug it too. I didn't really get into what the hell they were saying. They all sounded indecipherable anyways. But if they were really being homophobic, then THEY need to get beat down.

yeah... they had a specific line talking about how they were gonna jump fags, ad that they were not down with gays.

i believe this also sampled 'all for one' by james brown as well... brand nubian sampled that a couple of times.

MJJstudent said:

Timmy84 said:

Hehehe, that's the only reason I dug it too. I didn't really get into what the hell they were saying. They all sounded indecipherable anyways. But if they were really being homophobic, then THEY need to get beat down.

yeah... they had a specific line talking about how they were gonna jump fags, ad that they were not down with gays.

Oh for real? Fuck them too.

Timmy84 said:

MJJstudent said:

yeah... they had a specific line talking about how they were gonna jump fags, ad that they were not down with gays.

Oh for real? Fuck them too.

those lines were not in the single version, just the album version.

MJJstudent said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh for real? Fuck them too.

those lines were not in the single version, just the album version.

Yeah I know. That's why I never heard it on the single/video version.

MJJstudent said:

i believe this also sampled 'all for one' by james brown as well... brand nubian sampled that a couple of times.

Are you talking about James' voice? I think that comes from Public Enemy Part 1.

MickyDolenz said:

MJJstudent said:

i believe this also sampled 'all for one' by james brown as well... brand nubian sampled that a couple of times.

Are you talking about James' voice? I think that comes from Public Enemy Part 1.

yes, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! i got confused... i was trying to remembere him talking in the song, and i know he spoke in both... but it WAS 'public enemy'... thanks for the correction.

man, i used to love me some brand nubian. this was that JOINT back in the day!! one of their classics for sure!

MJJstudent said:

Timmy84 said:

Hehehe, that's the only reason I dug it too. I didn't really get into what the hell they were saying. They all sounded indecipherable anyways. But if they were really being homophobic, then THEY need to get beat down.

yeah... they had a specific line talking about how they were gonna jump fags, ad that they were not down with gays.

For real? Look I don't care how cool the music/song is.....Fuck that.

Bfunkthe1 said:

MJJstudent said:

yeah... they had a specific line talking about how they were gonna jump fags, ad that they were not down with gays.

For real? Look I don't care how cool the music/song is.....Fuck that.

Makes it hard to really appreciate it. Brand Nubian's run didn't last long anyways.

here are the lyrics (it's sadat x saying them):

"One day when I was ridin' on the train I seen these two kids talkin'
about the Nubian reign had fallen.
I didn't say nothin' cuz these kids caught my goat,
even wore my coat like a murder that they wrote.
So this kid with mouth swagger 'n I'll blaze the cloak and dagger
so I gotta show Dukes the macho lot that I am.
I can rock a jam, make the world drop ham,
oh yes, I'm the bad man, and bad men wear black.
And if it comes to droppin' bombs, yo, I'm with that.
Though I can freak, fly, flow, fuck up a faggot.
Don't understand their ways I ain't down with gays."

yeah... all these groups- EPMD, the artifakts, ll cool j, brand nubian- made these unecessary comments in their tracks about gay people. it made hip hop not fun to listen to.

the fact that you would even utilize energy writing about this says a lot about your character.

even if i don't like kanye west's music, i think it was cool for him (as a mainstream artist in that field) to speak against homophobia in hip hop. all these people he worked with (like common (sense)) had some pretty anti-gay stuff in their lyrics. i think after west made that comment, a lot of the folks he worked with stopped doing it.

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MJJstudent said:

here are the lyrics (it's sadat x saying them):

"One day when I was ridin' on the train I seen these two kids talkin'
about the Nubian reign had fallen.
I didn't say nothin' cuz these kids caught my goat,
even wore my coat like a murder that they wrote.
So this kid with mouth swagger 'n I'll blaze the cloak and dagger
so I gotta show Dukes the macho lot that I am.
I can rock a jam, make the world drop ham,
oh yes, I'm the bad man, and bad men wear black.
And if it comes to droppin' bombs, yo, I'm with that.
Though I can freak, fly, flow, fuck up a faggot.
Don't understand their ways I ain't down with gays."

yeah... all these groups- EPMD, the artifakts, ll cool j, brand nubian- made these unecessary comments in their tracks about gay people. it made hip hop not fun to listen to.

the fact that you would even utilize energy writing about this says a lot about your character.

even if i don't like kanye west's music, i think it was cool for him (as a mainstream artist in that field) to speak against homophobia in hip hop. all these people he worked with (like common (sense)) had some pretty anti-gay stuff in their lyrics. i think after west made that comment, a lot of the folks he worked with stopped doing it.

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Yeah I actually do admire that about Kanye.

MJJstudent said:

all these people he worked with (like common (sense)) had some pretty anti-gay stuff in their lyrics.

I think it's less to do with hip hop and more the black community (and also the hispanic community with the machismo culture). Since rap originated from the black and latino communities in New York City, they're going to speak about the culture they know.

MickyDolenz said:

MJJstudent said:

all these people he worked with (like common (sense)) had some pretty anti-gay stuff in their lyrics.

I think it's less to do with hip hop and more the black community (and also the hispanic community with the machismo culture). Since rap originated from the black and latino communities in New York City, they're going to speak about the culture they know.

the thing is, there is not one solid black or brown/latino community... many people in the black and brown community are either gay, or 'allies' to the gay community... many folks in the theatre/dance, liturature or music communities are advocates for the rights of gay peoples. i think this lends to a larger issue of certain aspects of judeo-christian culture (at least in the americas), as to why many black and brown folks are homophobic. it also lends to a hefty promotion of certain gender roles, prompted in the west.

alvin ailey, marlon riggs, june jordan, james baldwin, langston hughes, jermaine stewart, countee cullen, sylvester, audre lorde... many black people who define themselves as heterosexual admire these folks, without one thought of their sexuality as hindering their art.

and never mind the fact that much of hip hop was in many ways inspired by a VERY gay 'disco culture'. i mean, how many people rhymed over or beat juggled chic's 'good times', or bowie's 'let's dance', etc.? people need to stop fronting and acknowledge how much 'gay culture' has influenced 'popular culture' overall.

MJJstudent said:

MickyDolenz said:

I think it's less to do with hip hop and more the black community (and also the hispanic community with the machismo culture). Since rap originated from the black and latino communities in New York City, they're going to speak about the culture they know.

the thing is, there is not one solid black or brown/latino community... many people in the black and brown community are either gay, or 'allies' to the gay community... many folks in the theatre/dance, liturature or music communities are advocates for the rights of gay peoples. i think this lends to a larger issue of certain aspects of judeo-christian culture (at least in the americas), as to why many black and brown folks are homophobic. it also lends to a hefty promotion of certain gender roles, prompted in the west.

alvin ailey, marlon riggs, june jordan, james baldwin, langston hughes, jermaine stewart, countee cullen, sylvester, audre lorde... many black people who define themselves as heterosexual admire these folks, without one thought of their sexuality as hindering their art.

and never mind the fact that much of hip hop was in many ways inspired by a VERY gay 'disco culture'. i mean, how many people rhymed over or beat juggled chic's 'good times', or bowie's 'let's dance', etc.? people need to stop fronting and acknowledge how much 'gay culture' has influenced 'popular culture' overall.