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Timmy84

Lady Gaga thread (all news on Gaga, post here)

Bad Romance: Lady Gaga & Target Break Up

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Don't look for Lady Gaga to be shopping at Target anytime soon.

The music superstar has reportedly ended her Born This Way deal with the retail giant...

Why? Read on to find out...

Gaga reportedly pulled out because she doesn't agree with Target's corporate policies on political donations and how they impact the gay community, according to The Advocate.

"Lady Gaga and Target came to a mutual decision to end their overall exclusive partnership a few weeks ago," a rep for the singer tells me.

Gaga raised eyebrows among her gay fans when she announced that Target would be releasing an exclusive edition of her new album, Born This Way. Target came under fire from gay groups just months before because it donated to MN Forward, a political action committee that supported Tom Emmer, an antigay politician who made an unsuccessful 2010 run for governor of Minnesota.

Gaga had said she had signed off on her deal after meeting with Target executives.

"That discussion was one of the most intense conversations I've ever had in a business meeting," Gaga told Billboard magazine about three weeks ago. "Part of my deal with Target is that they have to start affiliating themselves with LGBT charity groups and begin to reform and make amends for the mistakes they've made in the past...our relationship is hinged upon their reform in the company to support the gay community and to redeem the mistakes they've made supporting those groups."

No word on what went down since that interview took place, but I'm told Target has refused to promise that it would never donate to a political candidate or group believed to be antigay.

Reps for Target did not immediately comment for this story.

[Edited 3/10/11 20:43pm]

[Edited 3/11/11 10:48am]

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Reply #1 posted 03/09/11 12:46pm

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Of course Target wasn't going to make a promise to any celebrity (never mind Gaga) that they would never endored another anti-gay politician again.

Target is neo-conservative just like Wal-Mart. Any politician that is a fanatic of big business is going to get backing from Target no matter how anti-gay or homophobic that politician is. At the end of the day, it's all about the rich doing whatever it takes to stay rich and f*** the feelings of the poor & the gays, plain and simple.

Gaga did right by stop doing business with Target.

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Reply #2 posted 03/09/11 12:52pm

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For someone that shoves gay rights and equality down people's throats I'm surprised she even made a deal with Target in the first place.

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Reply #3 posted 03/09/11 12:53pm

Timmy84

kenny88 said:

For someone that shoves gay rights and equality down people's throats I'm surprised she even made a deal with Target in the first place.

Exactly.

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Reply #4 posted 03/09/11 1:05pm

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Something tells me both sides won and money was already made.

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Reply #5 posted 03/09/11 1:30pm

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Timmy84 said:

kenny88 said:

For someone that shoves gay rights and equality down people's throats I'm surprised she even made a deal with Target in the first place.

Exactly.

Target has been trying to make up it's image in the gay community and had revisied it's policy towards political donating. Gaga was ok with the new policy, however on Monday target filed a lawsuit against a San Diego LGBT rights orginization called Canvess for Cause because they had petition signers in front of a few of the stores here. that was what caused Gaga to back out of the deal.

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Reply #6 posted 03/09/11 1:37pm

Identity

Seriously, I'm getting so sick of her attention-grabbing stunts almost to the point where I don't care how good or bad the new album is going to sound.

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Reply #7 posted 03/09/11 1:56pm

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kenny88 said:

For someone that shoves gay rights and equality down people's throats I'm surprised she even made a deal with Target in the first place.

She made a deal with them so she could make a bigger deal about canceling it later. shrug

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Reply #8 posted 03/09/11 2:30pm

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ehuffnsd said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly.

Target has been trying to make up it's image in the gay community and had revisied it's policy towards political donating. Gaga was ok with the new policy, however on Monday target filed a lawsuit against a San Diego LGBT rights orginization called Canvess for Cause because they had petition signers in front of a few of the stores here. that was what caused Gaga to back out of the deal.

And what exactly did those petition signers say about Target that just so pissed the company off to where they needed to sue then?

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Reply #9 posted 03/09/11 4:05pm

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Identity said:

Seriously, I'm getting so sick of her attention-grabbing stunts almost to the point where I don't care how good or bad the new album is going to sound.

It will probably sound bad.

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Reply #10 posted 03/09/11 6:51pm

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HotGritz said:

Identity said:

Seriously, I'm getting so sick of her attention-grabbing stunts almost to the point where I don't care how good or bad the new album is going to sound.

It will probably sound bad.

I doubt that.

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Reply #11 posted 03/09/11 7:06pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Target is neo-conservative just like Wal-Mart.

Neo-conservastism is a foreign policy theory. It has nothing to do with Target or Wal-Mart.

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Reply #12 posted 03/09/11 7:41pm

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jpnyc said:

TonyVanDam said:

Target is neo-conservative just like Wal-Mart.

Neo-conservastism is a foreign policy theory. It has nothing to do with Target or Wal-Mart.

Neo-conservative is a political movement, its far more than just foreign policy although that is a big part of it.

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Reply #13 posted 03/09/11 7:49pm

Timmy84

Identity said:

Seriously, I'm getting so sick of her attention-grabbing stunts almost to the point where I don't care how good or bad the new album is going to sound.

Seriously, why can't she let it stand on its own? Clearly her offstage actions have been overshadowing her music since she started becoming popular.

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Reply #14 posted 03/09/11 9:01pm

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RKJCNE said:

jpnyc said:

Neo-conservastism is a foreign policy theory. It has nothing to do with Target or Wal-Mart.

Neo-conservative is a political movement, its far more than just foreign policy although that is a big part of it.

You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Thank you. Exactly! nod

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Reply #15 posted 03/09/11 9:58pm

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Well, I don't know what she expected to happen. Surely she didn't think she could influence the dealings of such a large corporation? Target is much bigger than Gaga. Her only concern should have been the terms of her exclusive agreement with them. There is a time and place for everything and she could complain about who they deal with or expose their connections all day and night via another avenue but that is neither here nor there when it comes to making her CDs available to the public. Most of the major record stores are gone. People buy CDs from Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Amazon for the most part. They backed a failed politician. Shit happens. What does that have to do with selling her CDs? Its likely that they backed him for his pro-corporate stance than for his anti-gay stance. I'm sure they have also probably backed some gay-friendly pro-business politicians, too. That's a bad way to handle business. I hope she has a back up plan for her fans for making her "exclusive" CD available. Those are the only ones who are going to suffer in all of this.

[Edited 3/9/11 22:00pm]

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Reply #16 posted 03/09/11 10:31pm

Timmy84

BlaqueKnight said:

Well, I don't know what she expected to happen. Surely she didn't think she could influence the dealings of such a large corporation? Target is much bigger than Gaga. Her only concern should have been the terms of her exclusive agreement with them. There is a time and place for everything and she could complain about who they deal with or expose their connections all day and night via another avenue but that is neither here nor there when it comes to making her CDs available to the public. Most of the major record stores are gone. People buy CDs from Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Amazon for the most part. They backed a failed politician. Shit happens. What does that have to do with selling her CDs? Its likely that they backed him for his pro-corporate stance than for his anti-gay stance. I'm sure they have also probably backed some gay-friendly pro-business politicians, too. That's a bad way to handle business. I hope she has a back up plan for her fans for making her "exclusive" CD available. Those are the only ones who are going to suffer in all of this.

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Yeah I was at another site and some fans, while they didn't address that they were actually angry with her, was all like "what the fuck's gonna happen to my pre-order?!"

I usually applaud her for her stance on LGBT rights but she totally fucked up here.

Hell Jeffree Star, not as known as Gaga, but openly gay and a musician/internet blogger-personality, sold his album exclusively through Target too.

[Edited 3/9/11 22:32pm]

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Reply #17 posted 03/09/11 11:10pm

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Controversial personal beliefs should never be at the forefront of a business venture.

Target is a motherfucking STORE! Who cares what the CEOs think about gay rights?

This seems like such a desperate attempt to prove her loyalty to a certain demographic.

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Reply #18 posted 03/09/11 11:15pm

Timmy84

It's all for national (and international) headlines, really. Seriously I've never seen anything as overhyped as this. No other pop star has hyped their upcoming album in this way. Hell I was actually SMILING when I saw that Beyonce and Timberlake were making new albums! lol

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Reply #19 posted 03/10/11 12:14am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Well, I don't know what she expected to happen. Surely she didn't think she could influence the dealings of such a large corporation? Target is much bigger than Gaga. Her only concern should have been the terms of her exclusive agreement with them. There is a time and place for everything and she could complain about who they deal with or expose their connections all day and night via another avenue but that is neither here nor there when it comes to making her CDs available to the public. Most of the major record stores are gone. People buy CDs from Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Amazon for the most part. They backed a failed politician. Shit happens. What does that have to do with selling her CDs? Its likely that they backed him for his pro-corporate stance than for his anti-gay stance. I'm sure they have also probably backed some gay-friendly pro-business politicians, too. That's a bad way to handle business. I hope she has a back up plan for her fans for making her "exclusive" CD available. Those are the only ones who are going to suffer in all of this.

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lol, No one is going to suffer from this but Target.

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Reply #20 posted 03/10/11 12:16am

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Spinlight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Well, I don't know what she expected to happen. Surely she didn't think she could influence the dealings of such a large corporation? Target is much bigger than Gaga. Her only concern should have been the terms of her exclusive agreement with them. There is a time and place for everything and she could complain about who they deal with or expose their connections all day and night via another avenue but that is neither here nor there when it comes to making her CDs available to the public. Most of the major record stores are gone. People buy CDs from Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Amazon for the most part. They backed a failed politician. Shit happens. What does that have to do with selling her CDs? Its likely that they backed him for his pro-corporate stance than for his anti-gay stance. I'm sure they have also probably backed some gay-friendly pro-business politicians, too. That's a bad way to handle business. I hope she has a back up plan for her fans for making her "exclusive" CD available. Those are the only ones who are going to suffer in all of this.

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lol, No one is going to suffer from this but Target.

You're delusional if you think she can affect Target's bottom line.

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Reply #21 posted 03/10/11 2:57am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Spinlight said:

lol, No one is going to suffer from this but Target.

You're delusional if you think she can affect Target's bottom line.

It's naive to think she couldn't. Whether they sell her album or not is going to directly affect their bottom line in some fashion or another. razz Splitting hairs, but....

My point is I am not saying that she is going to make them go bankrupt. But other outlets would love, love, love an exclusive deal to sell the deluxe version of an album which will be a megahit. It's not out for another 2.5 months, but we all know it's going to go easy double plat. When it comes to album selling, that's a pretty penny and no chain is going to turn their nose up at a deal to corner part of that market.

As it stands, the preorders that went out are still active so I'm not sure if that is going to change or what in the coming weeks. There has been no official mention on her site that states what the status is of existing preorders.

Regardless, no one is going to come out of this situation hurt in any serious way. However, it does not do Target any favors to have this kind of message continually attached to their name. Especially when its on the tips of the tongues of the young teen markets which will grow up to be consumers with habits.

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Reply #22 posted 03/10/11 4:22am

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Target Responds to Lady Gaga: We Were 'Surprised and Disappointed' About Her Statements

March 10, 2011

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The pop singer ended her partnership with the retail giant after learning it donated to a political candidate who was against gay marriage.

Target on Wednesday responded to Lady Gaga over statements she made related to her nixed deal to sell a special edition of her upcoming album at the retail giant.

The Advocate reported Tuesday that the singer wasn't comfortable when she learned that Target donated corporate funds to MN Forward, a political action committee that supported anti-gay candidate Tom Emmer in his failed 2010 run for Minnesota governor.

"We were very surprised and disappointed by the statements made by Lady Gaga's organization related to her partnership with Target," the company said in a statement late Wednesday, as reported by the New York Times.

"Target remains committed to the LGBT community as demonstrated by our contributions to various LGBT organizations, our recently established Policy Committee to review our political giving and our respectful, inclusive workplace environment."

Gaga previously told Billboard that her relationship with Target was tied to its "reform ... and to redeem the mistakes they've made supporting those [anti-gay] groups."

A representative for the singer confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter on Wednesday that the two sides "came to a mutual decision to end their overall exclusive partnership a few weeks ago."

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Reply #23 posted 03/10/11 4:43am

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minneapolisFunq said:

This seems like such a desperate attempt to prove her loyalty to a certain demographic.

I love her but she's pandering. With the new song, the concept behind it and the album, and now this. It's too transparent.

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Reply #24 posted 03/10/11 4:48am

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Spinlight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You're delusional if you think she can affect Target's bottom line.

It's naive to think she couldn't. Whether they sell her album or not is going to directly affect their bottom line in some fashion or another. razz Splitting hairs, but....

My point is I am not saying that she is going to make them go bankrupt. But other outlets would love, love, love an exclusive deal to sell the deluxe version of an album which will be a megahit. It's not out for another 2.5 months, but we all know it's going to go easy double plat. When it comes to album selling, that's a pretty penny and no chain is going to turn their nose up at a deal to corner part of that market.

As it stands, the preorders that went out are still active so I'm not sure if that is going to change or what in the coming weeks. There has been no official mention on her site that states what the status is of existing preorders.

Regardless, no one is going to come out of this situation hurt in any serious way. However, it does not do Target any favors to have this kind of message continually attached to their name. Especially when its on the tips of the tongues of the young teen markets which will grow up to be consumers with habits.

I'm not so sure of that. It seems like she is already making bad business decisions at the top of her game and influence. I have to wonder if she is sniffing something more than the fumes of immediate success...

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Reply #25 posted 03/10/11 6:51am

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I have to wonder if she is sniffing something more than the fumes of immediate success...

She already admitted to having an "occasional" coke habit.

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Reply #26 posted 03/10/11 9:24am

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purplethunder3121 said:

I have to wonder if she is sniffing something more than the fumes of immediate success...

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Spinlight said:

It's naive to think she couldn't. Whether they sell her album or not is going to directly affect their bottom line in some fashion or another. razz Splitting hairs, but....

My point is I am not saying that she is going to make them go bankrupt. But other outlets would love, love, love an exclusive deal to sell the deluxe version of an album which will be a megahit. It's not out for another 2.5 months, but we all know it's going to go easy double plat. When it comes to album selling, that's a pretty penny and no chain is going to turn their nose up at a deal to corner part of that market.

As it stands, the preorders that went out are still active so I'm not sure if that is going to change or what in the coming weeks. There has been no official mention on her site that states what the status is of existing preorders.

Regardless, no one is going to come out of this situation hurt in any serious way. However, it does not do Target any favors to have this kind of message continually attached to their name. Especially when its on the tips of the tongues of the young teen markets which will grow up to be consumers with habits.

I'm not so sure of that. It seems like she is already making bad business decisions at the top of her game and influence. I have to wonder if she is sniffing something more than the fumes of immediate success...

You can't possibly say its a bad decision just yet. It's not that the album won't be sold there - it will be sold there. This deal was ONLY to sell the deluxe edition. That was the extent of the deal. And frankly, this could be all done on purpose to draw attention to the fact Target has been trying to fix their bad reputation w/ LGBT issues.

Like I said - the preorders are still active. This whole thing stinks of a scam, but not the kind you are thinking. More that LG gave Target a small boon with her preorders for the album before doubling back and releasing it to everyone anyway. You know, kind of like P did with Crystal Ball except no one is getting left behind.

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Spinlight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You're delusional if you think she can affect Target's bottom line.

It's naive to think she couldn't. Whether they sell her album or not is going to directly affect their bottom line in some fashion or another. razz Splitting hairs, but....

My point is I am not saying that she is going to make them go bankrupt. But other outlets would love, love, love an exclusive deal to sell the deluxe version of an album which will be a megahit. It's not out for another 2.5 months, but we all know it's going to go easy double plat. When it comes to album selling, that's a pretty penny and no chain is going to turn their nose up at a deal to corner part of that market.

As it stands, the preorders that went out are still active so I'm not sure if that is going to change or what in the coming weeks. There has been no official mention on her site that states what the status is of existing preorders.

Regardless, no one is going to come out of this situation hurt in any serious way. However, it does not do Target any favors to have this kind of message continually attached to their name. Especially when its on the tips of the tongues of the young teen markets which will grow up to be consumers with habits.

She made a mistake. She tried to bully Target. Gaga will be gone from the limelight in a few years and down to a core audience like every major superstar. Ask Madonna. Target is a major corporation and would not "bow" to her for the simple reason that it would be a show of weakness if one artist could affect their business practices. She claims she broke her deal because of who they back financially, which is really none of her concern. They are capitalists and to expect that they would do business or align themselves with other capitalists should be a given. What she will learn from this is that she has NO POWER in business. Trying to force others to behave the way you want them to almost never works in deals like this. Everybody knows Target is evil. Everybody knows Wal-mart is evil. They are also major music outlets. She should have just gone there to sell her wares and not try to get all political with them during a business deal. The loss is HERS. Everyone who has a potential hit record will sell through Target. Its not going to hurt them. They crush businesses on the regular. I'm not co-signing them but simply stating the reality of the situation. She is becoming overly passionate and that will eventually cause her a lot of problems if she continues to push. There is a difference between bringing awareness and bullying. Bullying doesn't work for long. When people see you as a bully, they wait for an opportunity to bring you down - or they create one. Character assassination has become the new assassination. If they viewed her as a threat, Target could orchestrate her downfall. As it stands, she's not. They are a multi-BILLION dollar corporation and when I say she won't affect their bottom line much, its true. I'm sure they would like to have her, but they don't need her. They sell lots of shit. If anything, the smart move would have been to make the deal, let the CDs sit there for a month, do some serious numbers in her first week, then after a month or so, publicly trash the hell out of them. That way, she wins. You can't streak through the football stadium if you take your clothes off in the parking lot. They will see you coming. She isn't as bright as everyone seems to think she is.

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Reply #29 posted 03/10/11 11:26am

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Few doubt Bored This Way will move a gargantuan number of units, but sooner or later some will grow weary of the pandering for profit marketing strategy. Right now I'm too worn out by the pre-release overkill to care about the music.

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