She started doing the same exact formula that Shitney did earlier. Doing adult contemporary and crossover pop but still going after and getting R&B airplay to further weaken and contaminate R&B radio.
Yep, Mariah turned me off when she came out with that mess. Shame on her.
Cmon ya'll! She was a baby in the woods trynna make it and Tommy was pulling her strings from Day 1. Besides her low self-esteem and insecurities played right into a lot of that. But the pendulum swung too far in the other direction after her "emancipation" IMO.
that's how it comes off to me too, especially with her mentioning that as a kid growing up she was often made to feel ugly/different looking from most kids around her, so I can see how they could get to her with that right side being prettier mess. you can tell to this date, where she seems at her happiest, she's still not entirely over it.
"what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?"
She seemed more like a Whitney clone to me, and Whitney was pop/adult contemporary. Mariah seemed to get more hip hop based once she left Mottola.
Yeah, this is what I was thinking too, that she was more pop than anything. I was a big fan, and at the time I think Carole King kept being cited as one of her influences....
"I don't think you'd do well in captivity." - random person's comment to me the other day
Huh? Mariah said she was multi-racial from the very beginning. The first interview I ever saw of her was on BET's Video Soul in 1990 in promotion of her debut album and she stated it then. Just by looking at her, it was obvious she was not a white woman. She couldn't have hid it even if she wanted to.
Exactly.
Where did this "she finally told the truth" bullshit came from, like she was hiding it? Mariah have always been open about her racial background.
What REALLY fucked me up though, was when she confessed later in her career that she let the record label make her wear dark clothes, heavy make up, and never let the camera shoot her from her left side(or was it the right side?) because supposedly, she looked more "negroid".
Columbia sunk into a new bottom low, but I was disappointed that Mariah let them control her that way.
I don't think that's fair to be disappointed. This is a woman who grew up listening to her grandmother tell her father that she wasn't his kid. She said her grandmother told him she was too light to be his child. And, how hurtful that was for her to hear. And, both Mariah and her sister have said that her Mother told her to tell people she was Italian. Her own mother told her to pass. She didn't want Mariah to get teased like her older siblings. Then on top of that have you ever been to Greenlawn, Long Island where she grew up. It's not exactly a haven for ethnic diversity. It's definitely not a place you'd catch me after dark. You put all that together with seeing their cars bombed, crosses burned on their lawn, and dog poisoned come on. That's a lot going on. And, you just expect Mariah to just be with it and together???
I love how to this date she still rubs the success of that particular remix in Sony's face every chance she gets as they thought she was ridiculous for suggesting ODB
"what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?"
Where did this "she finally told the truth" bullshit came from, like she was hiding it? Mariah have always been open about her racial background.
What REALLY fucked me up though, was when she confessed later in her career that she let the record label make her wear dark clothes, heavy make up, and never let the camera shoot her from her left side(or was it the right side?) because supposedly, she looked more "negroid".
Columbia sunk into a new bottom low, but I was disappointed that Mariah let them control her that way.
Don't get it twisted. I said Tommy was trying to downplayed it, NOT Mariah.
right. Like I said, I remembered when they interviewed him just prior to wedding... and Mottola replied when asked what were his thoughts marrying a black woman..biracial... woman of color... something like that.
His reply was "oh she's not _______, her family is Irish, Venezualan," on and on... everything but the obvious, African.
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
^ one thing I noticed about her over the years is when it comes to Tommy, she would address many things candidly except for two questions: if he was a racist & if he was physically abusive. she'd either give a vague answer or dodge the question with a joke. and when asked about the MJ allegations that she went to him crying from Tommy because he was this and that, all she had to say was some of the stuff he said were true and some weren't, without giving any more details. I wonder why that is. there were rumours about a confidentialy agreement being involved in the divorce but wouldn't that entail her not speaking about him period? it's just weird to me.
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"what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?"
^ one thing I noticed about her over the years is when it comes to Tommy, she would address many things candidly except for two questions: if he was a racist & if he was physically abusive. she'd either give a vague answer or dodge the question with a joke. and when asked about the MJ allegations that she went to him crying from Tommy because he was this and that, all she had to say was some of the stuff he said were true and some weren't, without giving any more details. I wonder why that is. there were rumours about a confidentialy agreement being involved in the divorce but wouldn't that entail her not speaking about him period? it's just weird to me.
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So was Michael right when he called Mottola a racist and a devil?
^ one thing I noticed about her over the years is when it comes to Tommy, she would address many things candidly except for two questions: if he was a racist & if he was physically abusive. she'd either give a vague answer or dodge the question with a joke. and when asked about the MJ allegations that she went to him crying from Tommy because he was this and that, all she had to say was some of the stuff he said were true and some weren't, without giving any more details. I wonder why that is. there were rumours about a confidentialy agreement being involved in the divorce but wouldn't that entail her not speaking about him period? it's just weird to me.
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So was Michael right when he called Mottola a racist and a devil?
the way she held back and got careful with her words made me believe mike wasn't far from the truth, I just don't get why she's too afraid to speak candidly about that, especially when she's already spoken about other creepy stuff he's done like getting her wasted on tiquila shots in front of his old friends and getting her a psychotic housekeeper who wouldn't let her out the room or even go take a shower by herself in case she runs away. she came out with those stories to either Rolling Stone or EW around 98.
"what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?"
Let's get something straight about categories without all of the politically correct rhetoric: ALMOST ALL BLACK ARTISTS ARE MARKETED TOWARDS THE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK R&B MARKET. (or at least they were in the 90s when Mariah came out). The plan is almost always that if they don't "cross over" for whatever reason, they can still sell records in the R&B market. Mariah was one of the last true "superstars" where labels were still giving out artist-based deals. The industry was still putting all of its eggs in one big basket back then (the biggest artist on the label paid for the smaller artists), before they changed over completely to the system of accountants and marketing that they are on now. Mariah had plenty of A&R development. The goal was to shoot her to the stars Whitney-style like Tony said, and worst case scenario, she land on the moon (the R&B charts).
Where did this "she finally told the truth" bullshit came from, like she was hiding it? Mariah have always been open about her racial background.
What REALLY fucked me up though, was when she confessed later in her career that she let the record label make her wear dark clothes, heavy make up, and never let the camera shoot her from her left side(or was it the right side?) because supposedly, she looked more "negroid".
Columbia sunk into a new bottom low, but I was disappointed that Mariah let them control her that way.
I don't think that's fair to be disappointed. This is a woman who grew up listening to her grandmother tell her father that she wasn't his kid. She said her grandmother told him she was too light to be his child. And, how hurtful that was for her to hear. And, both Mariah and her sister have said that her Mother told her to tell people she was Italian. Her own mother told her to pass. She didn't want Mariah to get teased like her older siblings. Then on top of that have you ever been to Greenlawn, Long Island where she grew up. It's not exactly a haven for ethnic diversity. It's definitely not a place you'd catch me after dark. You put all that together with seeing their cars bombed, crosses burned on their lawn, and dog poisoned come on. That's a lot going on. And, you just expect Mariah to just be with it and together???
Well put. I think she's had it pretty rough in her life and survived quite a lot. Much of that stigma and confusion about one's identity gets internalized and can turn into the kind of insecurity that she seems to have. So you've got a biracial background, parents divorced early on, abusive relationship history, and folks haven't even mentioned the fact of her sister living with HIV. I give her her props for being able to make it this far, regardless of the whole "pop princess" image she was saddled with. She seems happier at this point in her life, and is more in control of her career and her music. She doesn't get the respect that other singers with her talent and longevity get, but I get into her music and her life fascinates me.
^ one thing I noticed about her over the years is when it comes to Tommy, she would address many things candidly except for two questions: if he was a racist & if he was physically abusive. she'd either give a vague answer or dodge the question with a joke. and when asked about the MJ allegations that she went to him crying from Tommy because he was this and that, all she had to say was some of the stuff he said were true and some weren't, without giving any more details. I wonder why that is. there were rumours about a confidentialy agreement being involved in the divorce but wouldn't that entail her not speaking about him period? it's just weird to me.
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I remember when Mariah was upset because Michael brought her name up in the middle of his public feud with Tommy. But at the same time, Mariah never confirmed OR denied if Michael was telling the truth about Tommy being an undercover racist & an abusive husband.
However, the main negative comment that Mariah did make about Tommy was the fact that he was very controlling over Mariah's career AND lifestyle throughout their troubled marriage.
Let's get something straight about categories without all of the politically correct rhetoric: ALMOST ALL BLACK ARTISTS ARE MARKETED TOWARDS THE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK R&B MARKET. (or at least they were in the 90s when Mariah came out). The plan is almost always that if they don't "cross over" for whatever reason, they can still sell records in the R&B market. Mariah was one of the last true "superstars" where labels were still giving out artist-based deals. The industry was still putting all of its eggs in one big basket back then (the biggest artist on the label paid for the smaller artists), before they changed over completely to the system of accountants and marketing that they are on now. Mariah had plenty of A&R development. The goal was to shoot her to the stars Whitney-style like Tony said, and worst case scenario, she land on the moon (the R&B charts).
^ one thing I noticed about her over the years is when it comes to Tommy, she would address many things candidly except for two questions: if he was a racist & if he was physically abusive. she'd either give a vague answer or dodge the question with a joke. and when asked about the MJ allegations that she went to him crying from Tommy because he was this and that, all she had to say was some of the stuff he said were true and some weren't, without giving any more details. I wonder why that is. there were rumours about a confidentialy agreement being involved in the divorce but wouldn't that entail her not speaking about him period? it's just weird to me.
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I remember when Mariah was upset because Michael brought her name up in the middle of his public feud with Tommy. But at the same time, Mariah never confirmed OR denied if Michael was telling the truth about Tommy being an undercover racist & an abusive husband.
However, the main negative comment that Mariah did make about Tommy was the fact that he was very controlling over Mariah's career AND lifestyle throughout their troubled marriage.
BTW, I'm unclear about the whole MJ Mariah thing. Did MJ state in his lawsuit against Sony and Motolla (as proof that Mottolla was racist), that Mariah Carey had ran to MJ crying about how Motolla was an undercover racist and an abusive husband?
Did MJ say that Mariah told him (MJ) this about Tommy?
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
That whole thing about her being shot from an angle is something Mariah makes them do.Has nothing to do with her ethnicity, just this one side of her face she had or has a huge issue with.
I would just say she started off as a session singer and was writing songs.
The things I've heard about her, it comes across as someone to like from a distance, but wouldn't want to meet. I asked someone "who was the worst person you had to deal with" and her name came up, but she said it was how she talked to her assistants that really made her dislike her. She likes the music. And she also said she thought Britney was sweet, and believe it or not, Christina Aguilera was nice. But this was late 90s-early 2000s. People change.
I remember when Mariah was upset because Michael brought her name up in the middle of his public feud with Tommy. But at the same time, Mariah never confirmed OR denied if Michael was telling the truth about Tommy being an undercover racist & an abusive husband.
However, the main negative comment that Mariah did make about Tommy was the fact that he was very controlling over Mariah's career AND lifestyle throughout their troubled marriage.
BTW, I'm unclear about the whole MJ Mariah thing. Did MJ state in his lawsuit against Sony and Motolla (as proof that Mottolla was racist), that Mariah Carey had ran to MJ crying about how Motolla was an undercover racist and an abusive husband?
Did MJ say that Mariah told him (MJ) this about Tommy?
Watch this beginning at the 0:33 mark and decide for yourself:
Huh? Mariah said she was multi-racial from the very beginning. The first interview I ever saw of her was on BET's Video Soul in 1990 in promotion of her debut album and she stated it then. Just by looking at her, it was obvious she was not a white woman. She couldn't have hid it even if she wanted to.
right.
Her FEATURES look very African American.
Yes, when she debuted, I dont know how anyone could have thought that she was "white".
BTW, I'm unclear about the whole MJ Mariah thing. Did MJ state in his lawsuit against Sony and Motolla (as proof that Mottolla was racist), that Mariah Carey had ran to MJ crying about how Motolla was an undercover racist and an abusive husband?
Did MJ say that Mariah told him (MJ) this about Tommy?
Watch this beginning at the 0:33 mark and decide for yourself:
Aww, I miss Michael. I don't see many videos where he is not performinga nd being a celeb but just being a "regular" person.
And that is pretty deep what MJ say Mimi says. I tend to believe it. Mariah ran out of that marriage like her life dependent on it. I think she was really afraid of Tommy.
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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