Thanks for my childhood Phil

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

To be honest I'm not surprised at the news. Phil had expressed his desire to retire some time ago. He stopped doing world tours after 2004, only to briefly coming out of that retirement when he reunited with Genesis. And he did tell press that Going Back was definitely his final statement as a recording artist so if true, au revoir, Phil, and thank you.

I know that some will say that Phil should be able to deal with criticism, but in reality, i think he has. I mean think of some artists in that "vein" of popularity , groups like Air Supply, or Singers like Manilow or Richard Marx, the more "ballad" type guys, guys that can just craft fucking great pop melodies, but i think all of them have gone on and just accepting who they are, I mean Phil is a mega star, and looks nothing like a "pop star" that was the beauty of it though, here was this guy losing his air crafting some of the best songs of the decade for himself and a band. And im tired of hearing that it was "gabriels" band, and the whole Progressive rock shit, all bands started as Progressive rock with these 20 minute songs, bands like Journey and Styx all had this early on, but you cant limit yourself to one thing, i mean i think of bands that always do the same thing, and after awhhile, im sorry a 20 minute song with solos and keyboards and shit, gets annoying regardless of who "artsy" it is, so Gabriel wore his welcome out, there was only so far they could go with him, after a while Peter wearing a goat head to the gigs gets tired. Now Phil beleive it or not, wrote alot of long jams on albums, but the singles were the 3 minute pop gems, but go check out every genesis album after peter and you still will find that element. One of their best records ever was the "Genesis" album from 1983. and im sorry "thats all" is a fucking gem and classic from that along with others

That's All & Land Of Confusion are THE definite Genesis classics as far as what I listen to the most.

And I would also like to say that Phil Collins was a way better band leader for Genesis than Peter Gabriel. But excellent musicians like Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks weren't ordinary followers because those guys knew how to write songs for the band too!

TonyVanDam said:

And I would also like to say that Phil Collins was a way better band leader for Genesis than Peter Gabriel. But excellent musicians like Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks weren't ordinary followers because those guys knew how to write songs for the band too!

Although Peter sort of put Genesis together with Tony Banks, it was said that Anthony Phillips created a lot of the early Genesis sound. But Anthony quit after the second album because he couldn't perform because of really bad stage fright. That's when Phil and Steve Hackett joined the group.

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TonyVanDam said:

lastdecember said:

I know that some will say that Phil should be able to deal with criticism, but in reality, i think he has. I mean think of some artists in that "vein" of popularity , groups like Air Supply, or Singers like Manilow or Richard Marx, the more "ballad" type guys, guys that can just craft fucking great pop melodies, but i think all of them have gone on and just accepting who they are, I mean Phil is a mega star, and looks nothing like a "pop star" that was the beauty of it though, here was this guy losing his air crafting some of the best songs of the decade for himself and a band. And im tired of hearing that it was "gabriels" band, and the whole Progressive rock shit, all bands started as Progressive rock with these 20 minute songs, bands like Journey and Styx all had this early on, but you cant limit yourself to one thing, i mean i think of bands that always do the same thing, and after awhhile, im sorry a 20 minute song with solos and keyboards and shit, gets annoying regardless of who "artsy" it is, so Gabriel wore his welcome out, there was only so far they could go with him, after a while Peter wearing a goat head to the gigs gets tired. Now Phil beleive it or not, wrote alot of long jams on albums, but the singles were the 3 minute pop gems, but go check out every genesis album after peter and you still will find that element. One of their best records ever was the "Genesis" album from 1983. and im sorry "thats all" is a fucking gem and classic from that along with others

That's All & Land Of Confusion are THE definite Genesis classics as far as what I listen to the most.

And I would also like to say that Phil Collins was a way better band leader for Genesis than Peter Gabriel. But excellent musicians like Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks weren't ordinary followers because those guys knew how to write songs for the band too!

Peter Gabriel admitted once he looked out of place with Genesis. And for good reason, he was the only one that was daring to be their version of David Bowie with the outfits and weird hairdos (Peter once had a fine head of hair as did Phil - I'd shag the both of them with their long hair lol) while the other guys wore their regular clothes and played simpler rock behind Peter's obviously progressive rock style. It just didn't fit. In fact, Genesis used to get clowned during the Peter years but to see them be as cruel to Phil was real stupid. Phil, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks turned the band into a genuine rock and roll band after Peter left. And they had a knack for going both hard and soft, something they never get credit for. But for some reason I doubt Phil is that doubtful of his legacy, I think he's proud of it regardless of how the music snobs felt about him.

MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

And I would also like to say that Phil Collins was a way better band leader for Genesis than Peter Gabriel. But excellent musicians like Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks weren't ordinary followers because those guys knew how to write songs for the band too!

Although Peter sort of put Genesis together with Tony Banks, it was said that Anthony Phillips created a lot of the early Genesis sound. But Anthony quit after the second album because he couldn't perform because of really bad stage fright. That's when Phil and Steve Hackett joined the group.

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They said Anthony Phillips was Genesis.

Are you serious Phil? Are you kidding me?

spacedolphin said:

Thanks for my childhood Phil

Militant said:

There was a point where he became the medias favorite punching bag. As the article says - it was in the 90's when all of a sudden if you weren't edgy or alternative, then you just weren't cool or credible. For whatever reason he bore the brunt of it.

To this day - in the UK at least - you bring up his name and people just laugh.

For me - he has a bunch of great songs and that's all that matters. I don't care about anything else.

After being criticized and unfairly rediculed for so long, along with the several health and personal issues, it's probably taken its toll on him.

True, he's a musician and you have to have thick skin to be in the business, but at some point, it's going to get to you

bboy87 said:

Militant said:

There was a point where he became the medias favorite punching bag. As the article says - it was in the 90's when all of a sudden if you weren't edgy or alternative, then you just weren't cool or credible. For whatever reason he bore the brunt of it.

To this day - in the UK at least - you bring up his name and people just laugh.

Depends who's doing the laughing though. Phil Collins should understand that he's not going to be loved by edgy alt bands. That hip hop artists gave him any credibility is way more impressive.

For me - he has a bunch of great songs and that's all that matters. I don't care about anything else.

After being criticized and unfairly rediculed for so long, along with the several health and personal issues, it's probably taken its toll on him.

True, he's a musician and you have to have thick skin to be in the business, but at some point, it's going to get to you

The thing is every single significant artist gets heavily criticized or outright attacked at some point in their career. Everyone gets a shitty review. Yeah Phil Collins became the whipping boy for a while but there are probably less than 10 artists in the history of music who have sold more records. While I don't believe sales equals quality, having that level of commercial success can only be achieved through a sustained level of greater public acceptance. Ever single artist is working towards that acceptance and only very few ever achieve it.

But his physical problems aren’t what pushed Collins out of music.

He doesn’t like what the industry has become.

"I look at the MTV Music Awards and I think: 'I can't be in the same business as this,’” he said.

He added, "I'm much happier to write myself out of the script entirely."

I certainly agree with him there but quitting is not the answer. Just don't associate with, attend functions, or be seen with the trash. Do your own thing, put your nose in the air, and just be glad that you're better than their asses.

Here's an interview from November 2010 talking about his covers album.

I'm not a Phil Collins fan, but I respect him and don't understand why he should apologize for his whole career.

I read this. I think critics would say he sounds bitter but I disagree. He sounds like he is truly defeated; I honestly hope he enjoys his retirement. Maybe he'll find some other creative output. I'm not the biggest fan, but I'm not a critic, either.

I read this on twitter a few days ago and was like WHAT WHAT?? I loves me some Genesis and Phi Collins. He sounds so sad tho, like shit is just BAD in his world.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

That's All & Land Of Confusion are THE definite Genesis classics as far as what I listen to the most.

And I would also like to say that Phil Collins was a way better band leader for Genesis than Peter Gabriel. But excellent musicians like Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks weren't ordinary followers because those guys knew how to write songs for the band too!

Peter Gabriel admitted once he looked out of place with Genesis. And for good reason, he was the only one that was daring to be their version of David Bowie with the outfits and weird hairdos (Peter once had a fine head of hair as did Phil - I'd shag the both of them with their long hair lol) while the other guys wore their regular clothes and played simpler rock behind Peter's obviously progressive rock style. It just didn't fit. In fact, Genesis used to get clowned during the Peter years but to see them be as cruel to Phil was real stupid. Phil, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks turned the band into a genuine rock and roll band after Peter left. And they had a knack for going both hard and soft, something they never get credit for. But for some reason I doubt Phil is that doubtful of his legacy, I think he's proud of it regardless of how the music snobs felt about him.

I did read this.. but totally LOLed at the bolded! I remember Phil's balding mullet. Kinda hot.

Phil Collins: great rock/pop vocalist and songwriter. He's written and sung on a long list of classic singles. He has no reason to be ashamed; he's one of the greats.

"I'm Not Moving" , "I Missed Again" and "If Leaving Me is Easy", all from Face Value, are truly awesome. The pain of his divorce resulted in one of the most creative phases of his career. Sorry to see him go in low spirits.

he writes his own songs, he played his own instruments, and he sings quite well. o and he looks like a normal person.

obviously phil collins has no place in modern pop music.

Good.

another day in paradise is in my head now, so sad

Against All Odds is one of my weepy ballads, but right now his Motown album makes me not care. Abominations like that cannot stand.

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Rep: "Collins Is Not Retiring"

March 7, 2011

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For the former Genesis frontman and drummer, there will be no exodus.

Despite a recent interview with FHM in which music legend Phil Collins, 60, said "it feels like a good time to stop for a while," he is not retiring from music.

"He is not, has no intention of, retiring," says his U.K rep.

Collins, who last year underwent surgery to treat nerve damage in his left hand, told PEOPLE in November that he was in the middle of taking time off so he could recuperate.

"At the moment I can't feel the fingers on my left hand or the ends of my fingers so playing drums or piano is probably – I can't do that at the moment," he admitted.

Collins said he did not feel frustrated by his health problems and further noted, "I'm quite adjusted to the idea that I won't play like I did again." (He had to tape his drumsticks to his hands when he recorded his last album.)

For now, the father of five, who lives in Switzerland, is contentedly enjoying his break. "I'm spending a lot of time at home with my kids," he said last fall. "That's really what I want to do and take some real serious time off."

Identity said:

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Rep: "Collins Is Not Retiring"

March 7, 2011

Link

For the former Genesis frontman and drummer, there will be no exodus.

Despite a recent interview with FHM in which music legend Phil Collins, 60, said "it feels like a good time to stop for a while," he is not retiring from music.

"He is not, has no intention of, retiring," says his U.K rep.

Collins, who last year underwent surgery to treat nerve damage in his left hand, told PEOPLE in November that he was in the middle of taking time off so he could recuperate.

"At the moment I can't feel the fingers on my left hand or the ends of my fingers so playing drums or piano is probably – I can't do that at the moment," he admitted.

Collins said he did not feel frustrated by his health problems and further noted, "I'm quite adjusted to the idea that I won't play like I did again." (He had to tape his drumsticks to his hands when he recorded his last album.)

For now, the father of five, who lives in Switzerland, is contentedly enjoying his break. "I'm spending a lot of time at home with my kids," he said last fall. "That's really what I want to do and take some real serious time off."

Mr. Phil Collins, YOU ARE LOVED!!!

2freaky4church1 said:

Against All Odds is one of my weepy ballads, but right now his Motown album makes me not care. Abominations like that cannot stand.

I love his version of You Can't Hurry Love though.

His spokesman has said he has no intention of retiring

It sounded like a case where he MIGHT have been misquoted (is it possible the actual original source was forgien?).

Collins first 3 CDs were great - lots of blue eyed soul and motown influenced grooves. Hell he even used Tom Tom 84 and the EW&F horn section. Why people hated on Phil Collins is weird ...

I bought the new CD purely out of curiosity but was very disappointed. The guy who did a nice job on Your Can't Hurry Love and wrote that catchy Motown flavoured Loco in Acapulco for the Four Tops really butchered the material I'm sad to say.

^^^ I really wasn't aware of such a vehement backlash against Phil Collins. Quite frankly, it puzzles me... Why is he such a whipping boy for the so-called "downfall" of music?! Is it because he is such an ordinary "plain" man--as opposed to the sexier "better-looking" guys? Phil wrote some terrific songs...but he has always been dogged by his appearance. I think that is such a waste...unfortunately, apprearance in recent years has become even more important than it was in the 1980s and 1990s. It is a sad statement about popular music...and popular culture in this country in general.

Face Value remains one of the best albums ever recorded.

If you don't have it (and I doubt you'd be reading this if you didn't) then get it, play it and love it.