The problem is he's already paid off one boy's family with $26m (and rumours of others) and yet continues to share his bedroom with minors, seems something he can't control.

As for his word, he has proven that little he says is true with denying facial surgey, lying about his babies mothers etc so why believe him on this one?

Then why did MJ pay that kid millions of dollars to shut him up.
If Michael Jackson was truly innocent of molestation charges, he would have defended himself in court.

Along comes a boy who says you molested him. If you're truly innocent, aren't you going to do everything in your power to defend yourself in a court of law so the world can see that there's not a shred of evidence against you and this kid and his family are lying?

You don't pay the kid off and then marry Lisa Marie Presley as proof that you're innocent.

"Stop and think for a minute" soon you will be accused to be a "hater"

There is a simple litmus test when it comes to MJ.

You have an 8 year old child. Big, BIG MJ fan. And the chance arises, but would you allow your child to ``sleepover`` with him?

It doesn't prove anyone's innocence or otherwise, but I'd be interested to know the answer from all those claiming he's ``harmless``.

For the record, I wouldn't.

You're entitled to that point of view. But spare a thought for those parents who have, and continue to let they're children have sleepovers at Chez Jacko.

I don't think Michael realises that paedophiles exist! I think he thinks that term is just something the press made up to get at him...and he would be genuinly horrified to hear/realise that some people actually abuse children. He act's like a kid. He is a kid! The innocence he talks about is just extreem naivety and he doesn't realise some people are capable of abusing children.

Peopl always jump to STUPID conclusions

I DON'T KNOW WHY I BOTHER SOMETIMES...

Jackson has never denied having facial surgery. He had his first rhinoplasty back in 1978 and admiited to having two operations on his nose when interviewed by Oprah Winfrey in 1993.

langebleu said:

You know him do you?


I was looking at his profile during the interview and aside from his nose his face has the same bone structure it's always had. Quit trippin'. Make-up and re-shaped eyebrows can make a hell of a difference.

papaa said:

I'll spare a thought and call those parents irresponsible. And I'm understating my opinion here.

mcmeekle said:

At least you recognise that you've merely stated an opinion. No doubt the reasoning of these children's parents will differ from you own.

papaa said:

Yes, it's only my opinion. But it's one that'll keep my children out of the bedrooms of men in their 40's.

Would you allow yours?

I just find Michael Jackson to be tragic.

And regardless of the merits or lack thereof of his guilt or innocence, the fact that certain parents will STILL allow their kids to interact with a grown man that way is sheer STUPIDITY on their parts too. And they do it because they're star struck that it's Michael Jackson.

Between the ages of 11 and 15 I had a mate who was in his mid 30's and I used to share his bed. Totally innocent. Sure, you can never be too careful but sometimes you can be too paranoid and hysterical.

papaa said:

Yes, it's only my opinion. But it's one that'll keep my children out of the bedrooms of men in their 40's.

Would you allow yours?

papaa said:

But he still continues to lie ... including about how much plastic surgery he has had.

Supernova said:

YOU MAY BE RIGHT...

You could just as easily be wrong. I'll neither cast aspersions or applaude the judgemental skills of parents from the Los Angeles area. Nonetheless your suggestion that said parents allow their children to interact with Jackson simply because of his celebrity status is a shot in the dark. A seemingly specious one at that.

I've seen couple of footages in some site about the "living with MJ" and when people in the USA etc. watch the 'Living With Michael Jackson' interview (on Friday apparently) this will be the main thing that people will talk about. In the interview Michael say's children have sleep-overs at his house and some have shared his room and a couple times the children have slept on his bed with him, but when you watch the interview, I believe that's all that happened. Michael's very wise about the press and the music industry, but apart from that, he's got the mentality of a 10 year old.

I don't think Michael realises that paedophiles exist! I think he thinks that term is just something the press made up to get at him...and he would be genuinly horrified to hear/realise that some people actually abuse children. He act's like a kid. He is a kid! The innocence he talks about is just extreem naivety and he doesn't realise some people are capable of abusing children.

Peopl always jump to STUPID conclusions, they'll be tripping when they see a MAN like MJ loves kid,,all of a sudden he's an abuser.

Do you know that [WOMEN] can be abusers too?? Hell, they do things uglier than men.I know alot of things about abuser men and MJ my friends ain't one of them.

The only thing that I found a bit hard to watch is just that, he hasn't quite mastered the whole 'father-hood' thing!
[This message was edited Wed Feb 5 13:54:30 PST 2003 by Harlepolis]

Pot/kettle.

I know you don't realize it, but every single one of your posts in this thread makes you out to be the one who's in the dark. They encompass everything fanboy-ish, they are irrational, they're knee jerk reactionary to the point of insinuating speciousness, and you've become just another Michael Jackson apologist.

There comes a time when people need to grow up and stop defending what they've apparently been brainwashed to believe simply because they're so sensitively offended about the fact that their hero's actions are being questioned.

Your opinions in this thread are no more authentic than anyone else who has posted...

[A]s much as you'd like to have people believe you're some authority on the situation. So it's best ya get out of denial about your god...

...because the more you vehemently defend what's going on with regard to the minors in his life, the more you come across just as sad as Michael Jackson himself.

Though I know you won't. Particularly since ANY Michael Jackson thread seems to bring out a lot of people around here like you who rarely ever have a thing to say about anything else non-Michael related.

And your posts since being here reflect that. Keep right on letting those knees jerk.

For the record, let me state that I've commented on any number of topics unrelated to Jackson,

and furthermore I'll let you know that we're all free to discuss any matter of our choosing. Yes, I have contributed to many a Jackson thread here. Funnily enough, so have you...

papaa said:

Pot/kettle.

I know you don't realize it, but every single one of your posts in this thread makes you out to be the one who's in the dark. They encompass everything fanboy-ish, they are irrational, they're knee jerk reactionary to the point of insinuating speciousness, and you've become just another Michael Jackson apologist.

There comes a time when people need to grow up and stop defending what they've apparently been brainwashed to believe simply because they're so sensitively offended about the fact that their hero's actions are being questioned.

Your opinions in this thread are no more authentic than anyone else who has posted - as much as you'd like to have people believe you're some authority on the situation. So it's best ya get out of denial about your god, because the more you vehemently defend what's going on with regard to the minors in his life, the more you come across just as sad as Michael Jackson himself. Though I know you won't. Particularly since ANY Michael Jackson thread seems to bring out a lot of people around here like you who rarely ever have a thing to say about anything else non-Michael related. And your posts since being here reflect that. Keep right on letting those knees jerk.
[This message was edited Wed Feb 5 17:20:29 PST 2003 by Supernova]

papaa said:

Speaking of being comprehensive impaired, nobody said you didn't.

papaa said:

Nice diversion tactic. The VAST majority of your posts are of the fanboyish Michael Jackson Police Squad variety. Even outside of this thread.

Oh btw, you can't find me in any recent Michael Jackson post among all those that have cropped up. Continue to grasp.