missfee said:

thatruth said:

I was hoping that some folks on here wised up in the past 24 hours but apparently I was dead wrong. Some folks on here are still trying to make this a Rihanna vs Farrakhan beef like a dumb fuck, when it's been clearly documented that he wasn't attacking Rihanna personally, or even professionally nor her fans. But some people just don't learn, now we're heading into another territory that has nothing to do with nothing in attacking Farrakhan and of all things using Malcolm X to attack him.

I'm not only a 5%er, but I know the history of the NOI thoroughly, probably more than anybody on here, and let me say now that you don't know half the story so you wouldn't want to go there, trust me, it's deep. Plus this is not the proper thread to discuss that.

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IMO, any one person can research history all they want to...history can also be "altered" to tell a different story other than the real one....so unless you was there in the absolute flesh during that time period and seen for yourself with your own two eyes, then really no one, not even you yourself, can say what went down between Malcolm and Farrakahn for sure. Just sayin'.

Well dayum!

thatruth said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I still have issues with Minister Farrakhan over that mess with Malcolm X.

I was hoping that some folks on here wised up in the past 24 hours but apparently I was dead wrong. Some folks on here are still trying to make this a Rihanna vs Farrakhan beef like a dumb fuck, when it's been clearly documented that he wasn't attacking Rihanna personally, or even professionally nor her fans. But some people just don't learn, now we're heading into another territory that has nothing to do with nothing in attacking Farrakhan and of all things using Malcolm X to attack him.

I'm not only a 5%er, but I know the history of the NOI thoroughly, probably more than anybody on here, and let me say now that you don't know half the story so you wouldn't want to go there, trust me, it's deep. Plus this is not the proper thread to discuss that.

[Edited 3/3/11 8:40am]

If the media's agenda was to incite an debate, the topic of discussion is still Rhianna's response to Minister Farrakhan's sermon, whether direct or indirect. There has been a rumor of some sort for years that the NOI and the CIA ordered a hit on Malcolm X. This was discussed in P&R before. I know, this topic belongs there.

angel345 said:

thatruth said:

I was hoping that some folks on here wised up in the past 24 hours but apparently I was dead wrong. Some folks on here are still trying to make this a Rihanna vs Farrakhan beef like a dumb fuck, when it's been clearly documented that he wasn't attacking Rihanna personally, or even professionally nor her fans. But some people just don't learn, now we're heading into another territory that has nothing to do with nothing in attacking Farrakhan and of all things using Malcolm X to attack him.

I'm not only a 5%er, but I know the history of the NOI thoroughly, probably more than anybody on here, and let me say now that you don't know half the story so you wouldn't want to go there, trust me, it's deep. Plus this is not the proper thread to discuss that.

[Edited 3/3/11 8:40am]

If the media's agenda was to incite an debate, the topic of discussion is still Rhianna's response to Minister Farrakhan's sermon, whether direct or indirect. There has been a rumor of some sort for years that the NOI and the CIA ordered a hit on Malcolm X. This was discussed in P&R before. I know, this topic belongs there.

There was no order on his life. Nation of Islam basically fired Malcolm, Malcolm was an employee of the Nation (and so was Farrakhan, he didn't have any juice at that time) and they took everything away from him, his house, income, etc. Elijah Muhammad only gave one order the believers, leave him alone, we will use him as an example of when you turn a hypocrite. J Edgar Hoover wanted Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, and he was waiting for somebody to issue an contract hit, but in never happened. But like you said, this doesn't belong here so I'll stop.

vainandy said:

Ministers have talked that stuff about performers since the days of Elvis. If a minister were to say some stuff like that about me, I'd be flattered because I'd know I was doing something right.

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Exactly. This is nothing new....But, I don't know, after seeing that "S&M" video, I get the impression that Rihanna might find this type of attention flattering. The vid seemed to acknowledge that attention, whether good or bad, keeps you in the game to a certain extent (the bad headlines and names ppl called her scrollled behind her as she appears bound and trapped by flashing cameras......with a sly smirk on her face). I wouldn't say she's courting controversy, or smart enough to manipulate the media, but I think she understands the basic dynamics of how it works in the world of pop.

Meanwhile that filthy "S&M" is #5 this week on Billboard's Hot 100, #2 on itunes and her CD went platinum this week.

I, too, still have misgivings about Farrakhan re: Malcolm X's death. But there are a host of other reasons why I dislike him as well. He is free to his opinions and others are free to disagree with him. *shrugs*

thatruth said:

angel345 said:

If the media's agenda was to incite an debate, the topic of discussion is still Rhianna's response to Minister Farrakhan's sermon, whether direct or indirect. There has been a rumor of some sort for years that the NOI and the CIA ordered a hit on Malcolm X. This was discussed in P&R before. I know, this topic belongs there.

There was no order on his life. Nation of Islam basically fired Malcolm, Malcolm was an employee of the Nation (and so was Farrakhan, he didn't have any juice at that time) and they took everything away from him, his house, income, etc. Elijah Muhammad only gave one order the believers, leave him alone, we will use him as an example of when you turn a hypocrite. J Edgar Hoover wanted Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, and he was waiting for somebody to issue an contract hit, but in never happened. But like you said, this doesn't belong here so I'll stop.

I'll say this about Farrakhan, and he was speaking about another musical artist, MJ. He said some adorable things about him, and you can tell that he was well embraced by the NOI. As for Malcolm, he will be missed.

thatruth said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I still have issues with Minister Farrakhan over that mess with Malcolm X.

I was hoping that some folks on here wised up in the past 24 hours but apparently I was dead wrong. Some folks on here are still trying to make this a Rihanna vs Farrakhan beef like a dumb fuck, when it's been clearly documented that he wasn't attacking Rihanna personally, or even professionally nor her fans. But some people just don't learn, now we're heading into another territory that has nothing to do with nothing in attacking Farrakhan and of all things using Malcolm X to attack him.

I'm not only a 5%er, but I know the history of the NOI thoroughly, probably more than anybody on here, and let me say now that you don't know half the story so you wouldn't want to go there, trust me, it's deep. Plus this is not the proper thread to discuss that.

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I don't really have an interest in contemplating what it means that a person would feel comfortable riding with the screen name you do - it would seem a fucking oxymoron at best. Maybe this is what your org name should be changed to from thatruth - likeadumbfuck. (Just saying - your name calling [split hairs here if you like - "people are still trying to say I was calling somebody a dumb fuck, when really ... blah blah blah"] is revealing something about the quality of your position and your ability to assert and defend it.) Some orgers have chosen to define this "beef" without regard to your "dead" right wisdom. Take the future 24 hours to get over it.

angel345 said:

thatruth said:

There was no order on his life. Nation of Islam basically fired Malcolm, Malcolm was an employee of the Nation (and so was Farrakhan, he didn't have any juice at that time) and they took everything away from him, his house, income, etc. Elijah Muhammad only gave one order the believers, leave him alone, we will use him as an example of when you turn a hypocrite. J Edgar Hoover wanted Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, and he was waiting for somebody to issue an contract hit, but in never happened. But like you said, this doesn't belong here so I'll stop.

I'll say this about Farrakhan, and he was speaking about another musical artist, MJ. He said some adorable things about him, and you can tell that he was well embraced by the NOI. As for Malcolm, he will be missed.

Thank you for reminding me about that, this is why I hate this topic of Rihanna is "firing back" at Farrakhan as if he mocked her. It reminds me of when folks said that he attacked MJ in the past and Prince also, but that's not true at all. The FOI security was hired to protect MJ and his children, had it not been for Leonard Muhammad, MJ's management would've taken almost all of MJ's assets, NOI scared the hell out of MJ's managers not to touch his stuff. But they won't tell you that in the media.

It's like a teacher using examples to make a certain point, he used Prince as an example of the feminization of Black men especially in pop culture, it wasn't an attack.

Ironically, since some of you want to praise Malcolm all of a sudden, Malcolm did throw Black people under the bus calling them "Uncle Toms" and "sell-outs", and he would've stoned Rihanna and others without hesitation. Malcolm was one of over 50 ministers in the Nation under Elijah Muhammad, and several times he had to be reprimanded for making remarks that were "cold-hearted" and it didn't represent the Nation, the President Kennedy remark was the final straw. Malcolm X was rebellious and he conned the hell out of people when he talked about going to Mecca and the Middle East and "discovering" there were Muslims who were White. Malcolm knew there were White Muslims and he had been to the Middle East back in 1959, but the media won't tell you that.

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Identity said:

Thanks for this post. The reporting on this speaking could have been more accurate in spirit and intent, yes. But at the end of the day the man called someone out by name, period! That someone answered the call - "don't hang up just talk about it." This is what it is all about for me. Minister Farrakhan called out a young woman of note. He called her out to service and bolster his agenda. Rihanna was not feelin' it and sought to burst the bubble.

Look, I am not trying to say that Minister Farrakhan is wrong in his feelings or interpretations of this world. I feel he is dead wrong to use a young woman who is trying to make her way in this world as an example/tool. If she is "WAYYYY" out of his league and should not be trying to respond to him, how is it that it is ok for him to speak of her in the first place? I mean if there is a clearly dilineated power imbalance in his favor, how is it ok for him to use her like this?

allsmutaside said:

Identity said:

Thanks for this post. The reporting on this speaking could have been more accurate in spirit and intent, yes. But at the end of the day the man called someone out by name, period! That someone answered the call - "don't hang up just talk about it." This is what it is all about for me. Minister Farrakhan called out a young woman of note. He called her out to service and bolster his agenda. Rihanna was not feelin' it and sought to burst the bubble.

Look, I am not trying to say that Minister Farrakhan is wrong in his feelings or interpretations of this world. I feel he is dead wrong to use a young woman who is trying to make her way in this world as an example/tool. If she is "WAYYYY" out of his league and should not be trying to respond to him, how is it that it is ok for him to speak of her in the first place? I mean if there is a clearly dilineated power imbalance in his favor, how is it ok for him to use her like this?

You just exemplified how the cult of personality works. You say you are not that fond of Rihanna (so you say) and yet you have gone above and beyond to defend her from what? THE TRUTH. Why?

BlaqueKnight said:

allsmutaside said:

Thanks for this post. The reporting on this speaking could have been more accurate in spirit and intent, yes. But at the end of the day the man called someone out by name, period! That someone answered the call - "don't hang up just talk about it." This is what it is all about for me. Minister Farrakhan called out a young woman of note. He called her out to service and bolster his agenda. Rihanna was not feelin' it and sought to burst the bubble.

Look, I am not trying to say that Minister Farrakhan is wrong in his feelings or interpretations of this world. I feel he is dead wrong to use a young woman who is trying to make her way in this world as an example/tool. If she is "WAYYYY" out of his league and should not be trying to respond to him, how is it that it is ok for him to speak of her in the first place? I mean if there is a clearly dilineated power imbalance in his favor, how is it ok for him to use her like this?

You just exemplified how the cult of personality works. You say you are not that fond of Rihanna (so you say) and yet you have gone above and beyond to defend her from what? THE TRUTH. Why?

She is no saint.

She is a POP PERFORMER, and not even a good one at that.

She is not some innocent chick who just got caught up in the madness of stardom. She PERSUED the path she is on. Yes, he called her out and I hope he calls out a lot more of these deceitful heiffers selling sex with no substance or value to the impressionable. Fuck them. They deserve every bit of criticism along with all those who support their careers. I respect ARTISTS and people with TALENT. Some people misuse their talents and that's a problem for another topic but at least they have talent to misuse. This chick is a complete tool and has no musical value whatsoever. Everything about her is manufactured. There is a whole machine behind her and when he criticized her, he is also criticizing that machine. I have no problems with that because it is this machine that is being used to corrupt and condition the youth.

She can't sing that well, she's the wost dancer in pop since Whitney Houston and she has the personality of a broom stick. She really has nothing to contribute other than being a tool but I guess some people find that appealing. That is a HUGE problem in America - we champion the mediocre because we are mediocre as a country and whenever we see some lame half-ass their way to stardom, we feel like "it could be us" and it feeds out egos.

Either you have a problem with Farrakhan and are masking it with this incident or you really are a huge fan of Rihanna trying to pretend you aren't so that your opinion won't be completely dismissed because of your favoritism. Either way, its not like he was lying and Rihanna isn't exempt from criticism.

1) I think that Rihanna is beautiful, a cross between Erykah Badu and the receptionist where I work. (Not a cross dresser between Erykah and ...)

2) Beyond 1) I have absolutely no interest in her. I particularly do not care for Katy Perry, and Rihanna's association with her and the hipster posers that seem to define current pop stardom.

3) I do not care for her music. (Is it ok if I kill my room mate? Please, he likes to crank Rihanna when he has me trapped in his car.)

4) I agree with much of what concerns Minister Farrakhan about our popular culture, but I disagree with his methods of bringing his concerns forward on this occasion. Pure and simple, no more - no less. No he was not particularly lying. He was, however, quite innapproprite in my estimation.

5) Your response here suggests that you really might have more of a problem with her being untalented, and a slut. Perhaps if she could sing and dance better her whorish ways would be more acceptable - seems to be the implication.

6) There was a post here that alluded to the fact that she causes trouble with the intent to do so, and does so when she thinks she won't get a "beat down." I think it is quite possible that she is provocative and bullyish and stirring the pot in a creepy and manipulative manner. I don't think that I would want to spend any amount of time with her in my personal life.

7) I hate that the Time got up on a stage with her and performed live music. (Talk about a Time when she is actually WAYYYY out of her league.)

MyNameIsPiper said:

Can't stand either one of 'em, so ...both of 'em need to sit on down, sit on down.

BlaqueKnight said:

allsmutaside said:

Thanks for this post. The reporting on this speaking could have been more accurate in spirit and intent, yes. But at the end of the day the man called someone out by name, period! That someone answered the call - "don't hang up just talk about it." This is what it is all about for me. Minister Farrakhan called out a young woman of note. He called her out to service and bolster his agenda. Rihanna was not feelin' it and sought to burst the bubble.

Look, I am not trying to say that Minister Farrakhan is wrong in his feelings or interpretations of this world. I feel he is dead wrong to use a young woman who is trying to make her way in this world as an example/tool. If she is "WAYYYY" out of his league and should not be trying to respond to him, how is it that it is ok for him to speak of her in the first place? I mean if there is a clearly dilineated power imbalance in his favor, how is it ok for him to use her like this?

You just exemplified how the cult of personality works. You say you are not that fond of Rihanna (so you say) and yet you have gone above and beyond to defend her from what? THE TRUTH. Why?

She is no saint.

She is a POP PERFORMER, and not even a good one at that.

She is not some innocent chick who just got caught up in the madness of stardom. She PERSUED the path she is on. Yes, he called her out and I hope he calls out a lot more of these deceitful heiffers selling sex with no substance or value to the impressionable. Fuck them. They deserve every bit of criticism along with all those who support their careers. I respect ARTISTS and people with TALENT. Some people misuse their talents and that's a problem for another topic but at least they have talent to misuse. This chick is a complete tool and has no musical value whatsoever. Everything about her is manufactured. There is a whole machine behind her and when he criticized her, he is also criticizing that machine. I have no problems with that because it is this machine that is being used to corrupt and condition the youth.

She can't sing that well, she's the wost dancer in pop since Whitney Houston and she has the personality of a broom stick. She really has nothing to contribute other than being a tool but I guess some people find that appealing. That is a HUGE problem in America - we champion the mediocre because we are mediocre as a country and whenever we see some lame half-ass their way to stardom, we feel like "it could be us" and it feeds out egos.

Either you have a problem with Farrakhan and are masking it with this incident or you really are a huge fan of Rihanna trying to pretend you aren't so that your opinion won't be completely dismissed because of your favoritism. Either way, its not like he was lying and Rihanna isn't exempt from criticism.

Honestly i dont have issue with Rihanna mainly because she is a fly on the wall of a giant problem that if the minister was true in his intent would have just went after. Now i have major issues with him and ALL forms of religion and anyone who thinks they are holier than though, just because you are a man of "god" you are still a human being, nothing different than the guy that just sold me coffee in starbucks and his opinion means just as much. Rihanna is not a problem to focus on her is to say that Paul Loduca of the Dodgers was a problem in steroids, he was one of 95% that were doing them in baseball at that time, and he was a nobody, and so is she. Sure she gets air time, but guess who gets more airtime, the politicians that pollute our cities and country, that are looting it worse than the looters in egypt, and yet Rihanna and her music is an issue? I dont get the minister, he seems to choose someone that has a NAME because he doesnt anymore, and go at it to showcase himself, well isnt that POP CULTURE the same thing he is accusing her of?

As for criticism, well no one in the public eye is exempt from it, i again have major issues with him since many of his speeches are based in racism towards others, and he tends to spin his views of religion his way to make points, which is why ALL religions are the real problems of the world, every single one of them, and their teachings and the root of what they are coming from, the idea that ones word is better than anothers, which is why the USA has become this country that thinks its perfect and number one and yet ranks last in almost everything from health care to education and poverty, so Minister keeep preaching on about Rihanna while the real issues are ignored, so you can latch on to her name

lastdecember said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You just exemplified how the cult of personality works. You say you are not that fond of Rihanna (so you say) and yet you have gone above and beyond to defend her from what? THE TRUTH. Why?

She is no saint.

She is a POP PERFORMER, and not even a good one at that.

She is not some innocent chick who just got caught up in the madness of stardom. She PERSUED the path she is on. Yes, he called her out and I hope he calls out a lot more of these deceitful heiffers selling sex with no substance or value to the impressionable. Fuck them. They deserve every bit of criticism along with all those who support their careers. I respect ARTISTS and people with TALENT. Some people misuse their talents and that's a problem for another topic but at least they have talent to misuse. This chick is a complete tool and has no musical value whatsoever. Everything about her is manufactured. There is a whole machine behind her and when he criticized her, he is also criticizing that machine. I have no problems with that because it is this machine that is being used to corrupt and condition the youth.

She can't sing that well, she's the wost dancer in pop since Whitney Houston and she has the personality of a broom stick. She really has nothing to contribute other than being a tool but I guess some people find that appealing. That is a HUGE problem in America - we champion the mediocre because we are mediocre as a country and whenever we see some lame half-ass their way to stardom, we feel like "it could be us" and it feeds out egos.

Either you have a problem with Farrakhan and are masking it with this incident or you really are a huge fan of Rihanna trying to pretend you aren't so that your opinion won't be completely dismissed because of your favoritism. Either way, its not like he was lying and Rihanna isn't exempt from criticism.

Honestly i dont have issue with Rihanna mainly because she is a fly on the wall of a giant problem that if the minister was true in his intent would have just went after. Now i have major issues with him and ALL forms of religion and anyone who thinks they are holier than though, just because you are a man of "god" you are still a human being, nothing different than the guy that just sold me coffee in starbucks and his opinion means just as much. Rihanna is not a problem to focus on her is to say that Paul Loduca of the Dodgers was a problem in steroids, he was one of 95% that were doing them in baseball at that time, and he was a nobody, and so is she. Sure she gets air time, but guess who gets more airtime, the politicians that pollute our cities and country, that are looting it worse than the looters in egypt, and yet Rihanna and her music is an issue? I dont get the minister, he seems to choose someone that has a NAME because he doesnt anymore, and go at it to showcase himself, well isnt that POP CULTURE the same thing he is accusing her of?

As for criticism, well no one in the public eye is exempt from it, i again have major issues with him since many of his speeches are based in racism towards others, and he tends to spin his views of religion his way to make points, which is why ALL religions are the real problems of the world, every single one of them, and their teachings and the root of what they are coming from, the idea that ones word is better than anothers, which is why the USA has become this country that thinks its perfect and number one and yet ranks last in almost everything from health care to education and poverty, so Minister keeep preaching on about Rihanna while the real issues are ignored, so you can latch on to her name

As logical as you're trying to sound, it's all for nothing. Your first sentence was enough to know that you're way off base, it was Rihanna or the person who got in her ear that made this an issue of criticism against her and her fans, and nows it's blown up out of proportions now people want to say "he should mind his business", "he was wrong for saying her name", "he's racist", "he's holier than thou", "I hate him for what he did to Malcolm X".

The lecture was 4 and a half hours long, it wasn't public, it addressed the believers and those who wanted to listen. It wasn't nationally broadcast for the world to see, hell nobody even knew about it and Rihanna's name was mentioned for less than a minute as an example of young females being sexually exploited, which is nothing new, it's been happening for years. It's something how just a year ago or two ago she was the poster child of domestic violence or violence against women, now she's spreading her legs on stage and having songs about S&M, and the Minister is in the wrong, that's ass backwards, but I digress.

I was waiting for somebody to bring up "racist speeches", it's very funny to me because in a lecture he did (for believers only) he said that he no longer wants us to use the term "devils" in referring to Whites, he said we all can turn devils, we're really dumb devils that own nothing and we fight one another over nothing while the 10% or who Farrakhan calls "Smart Satans" controlling the world; the economy, land, educational systems, politics, the media, etc.

thatruth said:

angel345 said:

I'll say this about Farrakhan, and he was speaking about another musical artist, MJ. He said some adorable things about him, and you can tell that he was well embraced by the NOI. As for Malcolm, he will be missed.

Thank you for reminding me about that, this is why I hate this topic of Rihanna is "firing back" at Farrakhan as if he mocked her. It reminds me of when folks said that he attacked MJ in the past and Prince also, but that's not true at all. The FOI security was hired to protect MJ and his children, had it not been for Leonard Muhammad, MJ's management would've taken almost all of MJ's assets, NOI scared the hell out of MJ's managers not to touch his stuff. But they won't tell you that in the media.

It's like a teacher using examples to make a certain point, he used Prince as an example of the feminization of Black men especially in pop culture, it wasn't an attack.

Ironically, since some of you want to praise Malcolm all of a sudden, Malcolm did throw Black people under the bus calling them "Uncle Toms" and "sell-outs", and he would've stoned Rihanna and others without hesitation. Malcolm was one of over 50 ministers in the Nation under Elijah Muhammad, and several times he had to be reprimanded for making remarks that were "cold-hearted" and it didn't represent the Nation, the President Kennedy remark was the final straw. Malcolm X was rebellious and he conned the hell out of people when he talked about going to Mecca and the Middle East and "discovering" there were Muslims who were White. Malcolm knew there were White Muslims and he had been to the Middle East back in 1959, but the media won't tell you that.

[Edited 3/3/11 11:37am]

I'll admit that there are some unanswered questions, a mystery I must say regarding his death. It's like trying to piece together a puzzle. What I am wondering about is how can someone be reprimanded for something they have been taught? Elijah Muhammad taught him while he was in prison. I am also aware that he ministered Temple #7 in NYC.

As for MJ, I have always felt that there was some type of conspiracy going on in his life. I believe that these lawsuits were 'created' to take away his wealth, especially with ATV/Sony catalogue that he owns. This man has been sued too many times. Something just didn't sit right with that. Is it true he became a Muslim before his death or just a rumor?

As for the NOI, many people do not paint a pretty picture of them, especially whites. It has always been that way. When you have a black organization that's very verbal, reacting to the racism in America, they are regarded as rebellious and threatening.

Identity said:

And THIS^ is what Rihanna was disappointed about?

Oh good freaking grief, Minister Farrakhan did NOT call Rihanna's fanbase "swines". Farrakhan was addressing to his audience in general.

angel345 said:

thatruth said:

There was no order on his life. Nation of Islam basically fired Malcolm, Malcolm was an employee of the Nation (and so was Farrakhan, he didn't have any juice at that time) and they took everything away from him, his house, income, etc. Elijah Muhammad only gave one order the believers, leave him alone, we will use him as an example of when you turn a hypocrite. J Edgar Hoover wanted Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, and he was waiting for somebody to issue an contract hit, but in never happened. But like you said, this doesn't belong here so I'll stop.

I'll say this about Farrakhan, and he was speaking about another musical artist, MJ. He said some adorable things about him, and you can tell that he was well embraced by the NOI. As for Malcolm, he will be missed.

in 1984, he had different things to say about michael: "this jheri curl, female-acting, sissified-acting expression, it is not wholesome for our young boys nor our young girls." somewhere along the line, the minister changed his views for the positive. and his appearance on arsenio hall was the reason arsenio had to end his show.

TonyVanDam said:

Identity said:

And THIS^ is what Rihanna was disappointed about?

Oh good freaking grief, Minister Farrakhan did NOT call Rihanna's fanbase "swines". Farrakhan was addressing to his audience in general.

Wrong. Did you even watch the video?

Brother Minister called a spade, a spade. So, whats the fuss? As Stevie Wonder would say

He pointed out what 3/4 of this board has been saying ever since this woman appeared, but since he said it, folks wanna act brand new and get indignant?

My only issue with this whole bullshit is, there're waaaaay more important stuff going that need to be addressed & examined in our community rather than worry about how some air-headed pop tart decides to present herself. I respect Brother Minister, but there's a bigger fish to fry.

Harlepolis said:

Brother Minister called a spade, a spade. So, whats the fuss? As Stevie Wonder would say

He pointed out what 3/4 of this board has been saying ever since this woman appeared, but since he said it, folks wanna act brand new and get indignant?

My only issue with this whole bullshit is, there're waaaaay more important stuff going that need to be addressed & examined in our community rather than worry about how some air-headed pop tart decides to present herself. I respect Brother Minister, but there's a bigger fish to fry.

You know in the 4 1/2 hours, he covered a lot of other things. People around here act like he did 4:29:30 of his speech on Rihanna.

BlaqueKnight said:

Harlepolis said:

Brother Minister called a spade, a spade. So, whats the fuss? As Stevie Wonder would say

He pointed out what 3/4 of this board has been saying ever since this woman appeared, but since he said it, folks wanna act brand new and get indignant?

My only issue with this whole bullshit is, there're waaaaay more important stuff going that need to be addressed & examined in our community rather than worry about how some air-headed pop tart decides to present herself. I respect Brother Minister, but there's a bigger fish to fry.

You know in the 4 1/2 hours, he covered a lot of other things. People around here act like he did 4:29:30 of his speech on Rihanna.

Ok, so she's only a small portion of a whole speech. I stand corrected for my last paragraph, then. I thought he made a statement solely about her.

Is there a site where I could watch the whole speech, though?

MJJstudent said:

angel345 said:

I'll say this about Farrakhan, and he was speaking about another musical artist, MJ. He said some adorable things about him, and you can tell that he was well embraced by the NOI. As for Malcolm, he will be missed.

in 1984, he had different things to say about michael: "this jheri curl, female-acting, sissified-acting expression, it is not wholesome for our young boys nor our young girls." somewhere along the line, the minister changed his views for the positive. and his appearance on arsenio hall was the reason arsenio had to end his show.

I can see the NOI making a speech about rock and pop male stars dressing androgynous. I believe that possibly after he and the NOI got to know him, he saw him differently as a person. Not necessarily liked the image still, but loved the person inside. The Arsenio Show may have possibly went off the air because Farrakhan may have told the truth about MJ and the music industry, and it scared the living daylights out of the powers that be.

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Just a couple more observations and then I'm done with this subject:

I am surprised that Farrakhan would have a spokesperson reply to her comments, tbh. Many have tried to bait her to keep talking about it and she hasn't since that initial reply to what the media reported he said. She's kept it movin. I was not trying to say Rihanna relishes controversy or courts trouble. She just seems to be at a place where she will speak her mind. I get the sense that her battered pics leaking and how the media treated her has had a lasting impact. Instead of letting the media define her, she wants to try to do it herself. That's what I was trying to say in reference to the "S&M" video. She appears to be trying to take ownership of the negativity in some way. Is this wise? Will it work? Who knows...She will need to pick and choose her battles carefully.

This is an unpopular sentiment here, but I've grown to like Rihanna as a pop star. As flawed as she is, there's something about her.... her narrative...some of her songs that I find appealing. And I like the island twang that has resurfaced in her recent material. So I guess I am "semi-swine". Ha!

Also, I am surprised at how many people here dismiss twitter as a form of communcation or whatever. I mean, Palin's tweets are major news these days. I was dismayed by that fact, but it is what it is and the medium is evolving. I think like any social media, it's all in how you use it.

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Spinlight said:

TonyVanDam said:

And THIS^ is what Rihanna was disappointed about?

Oh good freaking grief, Minister Farrakhan did NOT call Rihanna's fanbase "swines". Farrakhan was addressing to his audience in general.

Wrong. Did you even watch the video?

Yes I did watch the video and I know EXACTLY what I saw AND what I heard. Get over it.

Harlepolis said:

Brother Minister called a spade, a spade. So, whats the fuss? As Stevie Wonder would say

He pointed out what 3/4 of this board has been saying ever since this woman appeared, but since he said it, folks wanna act brand new and get indignant?

My only issue with this whole bullshit is, there're waaaaay more important stuff going that need to be addressed & examined in our community rather than worry about how some air-headed pop tart decides to present herself. I respect Brother Minister, but there's a bigger fish to fry.

Exactly.

deebee said:

I'm not a big fan of Rihanna, and that 'S&M' song and video seem pretty crass and tacky to me too, but surely there are more pressing issues the minister should be preaching about - especially in the times we're in.

Oh, but he is! Earlier this week, he said the Jews are trying to push the US into war.

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angel345 said:

MJJstudent said:

in 1984, he had different things to say about michael: "this jheri curl, female-acting, sissified-acting expression, it is not wholesome for our young boys nor our young girls." somewhere along the line, the minister changed his views for the positive. and his appearance on arsenio hall was the reason arsenio had to end his show.

I can see the NOI making a speech about rock and pop male stars dressing androgynous. I believe that possibly after he and the NOI got to know him, he saw him differently as a person. Not necessarily liked the image still, but loved the person inside. The Arsenio Show may have possibly went off the air because Farrakhan may have told the truth about MJ and the music industry, and it scared the living daylights out of the powers that be.

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A few years ago, there was a video on YouTube from the mid-1980's when Farrakhan was talking about the women that were fans of Prince as well as admirers of black men that wore make-up. I didn't agree with exactly everything Farrakhan said. But it was funny as hell to see that he was calm about it throughout that portion of the sermon.