allsmutaside said:

thatruth said:

Rihanna became her own example with her performances at the Grammys and the All-Star Game. It wouldn't have matter if it he used Nicki Minaj, they were going to blow it up into something else as if he's attacking a poor innocent girl and her adoring fans, and dumb ass Rihanna fell for it schooled him.

Well...umm no she actually did make herself look less than intelligent responding to his comments in reference to her during his speech on Twitter of all things.

missfee said:

allsmutaside said:

Well...umm no she actually did make herself look less than intelligent responding to his comments in reference to her during his speech on Twitter of all things.

Twitter Schmitter! She rolled the bus up to his door and picked him up for school. And he was not late on the day in question, Rihanna was driving tight and quick, took him straight to homeroom and dropped him off.

allsmutaside said:

thatruth said:

What the hell are you talking about? If you're talking about Jamillah Farrakhan, that's his granddaughter, and I'm sure he's talked to her also, but once again for the millionth time, he wasn't attacking or criticizing her.

He can't control what these young girls are going to do, the ones who listen will listen, and the ones who don't will do whatever they want to do.

Please do your best to stop splitting that damn hair. Whatever he was doing with Rihanna in his speech, he was wrong. And that's ok, it's not as if he is a exceedingly valuable is an infalliable space creature sent to save the world from destruction. Minister Farrakhan, he might as well revere Charles Manson over L. Ron Hubbard to be honest about it.

How was he wrong? Now you have to explain because you're basically implying that he attacked her in some way. I can understand if he called her a whore or a wench or a hussy or told the young people who were at his lecture to not support her or by her music and if you do, you're a swine, but he didn't do that.

thatruth said:

allsmutaside said:

Please do your best to stop splitting that damn hair. Whatever he was doing with Rihanna in his speech, he was wrong. And that's ok, it's not as if he is a exceedingly valuable is an infalliable space creature sent to save the world from destruction. Minister Farrakhan, he might as well revere Charles Manson over L. Ron Hubbard to be honest about it.

How was he wrong? Now you have to explain because you're basically implying that he attacked her in some way. I can understand if he called her a whore or a wench or a hussy or told the young people who were at his lecture to not support her or by her music and if you do, you're a swine, but he didn't do that.

Nope! I think that you cannot see the forest for the trees on this one. I do not think that a conversation of substance and insight can be had regarding Minister Farrakhan on this occasion. And as a swiney homosexual lesbian I must now bow out this disscussion due to illness - it's making me sick.

Graycap23 said:

She is WAYYYY out of her league having any sort of dialog with Louis.

I was thinking that too. Which isn't to say I don't think his comments were wrong and in poor taste, but I think the best way to handle him would've been to say nothing and let the rest of the world heckle the shit out of him.

She was ignorant enough to even go on Twitter. None of them should be judging the other. JMHO.

[Edited 3/2/11 11:22am]

Hey Rihanna 'never cast your pearls b4 the swine'.

Timmy84 said:

AlexdeParis said:

Timmy84 said:

She was already ignorant enough to even go on Twitter. None of them should be judging the other. JMHO.

Being on Twitter doesn't make you ignorant.

It's what she said, what she said. That's why I said what I said. I should've worded it better. But Twitter's not exactly a place where you can hold your head up at if you're a celebrity.

[Edited 3/2/11 11:22am]

If Farrakhan thinks Rihanna is filthy and that her fans are swine, what does he think of Chris Brown and his stans? I just find it odd that he called her out when her ex is pretty much doing the same thing i.e. grinding on stage and wearing um colorful clothing. And y'all know CB's vocals are weak as hell.

Timmy84 said:

AlexdeParis said:

Timmy84 said: Being on Twitter doesn't make you ignorant.

It's what she said, what she said. That's why I said what I said. I should've worded it better. But Twitter's not exactly a place where you can hold your head up at if you're a celebrity.

[Edited 3/2/11 11:22am]

Well, I know you have mad hatred of Twitter.

FWIW, I still don't see where she said anything wrong.

thatruth said:

Musicslave said:

You posted this article above from the Sun Times/AP, for what?

To show the entire article from the Sun-Times/AP. I wanted people to see the entire article for themselves. Versus commenting on sound bites. My hightlights were simply me expressing what I found funny.

Are you trying to show how crazy Farrakhan is and how smart Rihanna really is, and she's an innocence victim?

Judging from his own statements Brother Minister Farrakhan doesn't need any help with showing how crazy he is. I have no idea how smart Rihanna is or if she's even smart at all.

No, because like I said a dozen times, Farrakhan didn't attack Rihanna, and you didn't highlight that one mention about Rihanna, you tried to be slick by highlighting all of the "crazy" things Farrakhan said at his lecture that had nothing to do with Rihanna trying to mock him.

Are you responding to me with this one? I'm asking because I never said that LF was attacking Rihanna. Nor have I been defending her as if she's been attacked. As mentioned earlier, those boldfaces were simply highlighting what I found funny. Nothing more...nothing less.

You're the one that keep calling the man "crazy," I just find his logic and theories hilarious That's all...

So, to sum up my point of view; My response has very little, actually nothing to do with Rihanna but everything to do with his surprising outlook on life and the world.

rhianna know she being a slut so dont get madd when somebody call u out 4 what u r lately all she has been doing is making slut movies and farrakhan has every right 2 speak on it cuz these kids now days think they own the rights 2 being nothing and not answering 2 the call of growing up

Timmy84 said:

AlexdeParis said:

Timmy84 said: Being on Twitter doesn't make you ignorant.

It's what she said, what she said. That's why I said what I said. I should've worded it better. But Twitter's not exactly a place where you can hold your head up at if you're a celebrity.

[Edited 3/2/11 11:22am]

T 84 - I would like to ask you to re-read her Twitter statement. What she said was really very articulate and on point, and not terribly overwrought or overly involved. Personally, I too wish that she had just let it sit, but she is a young/jung/yung person who was being shamed and humiliated by a man of great bearing, many years her senior. (And a national religous leader, too. It doesn't get much deeper. Come on, are you saying that the Minister could say some stuff about you in that vein and get away with it without comment? I really do think that you would have something to say - "just talk about it.")

"She is WAYYYY out of her league having any sort of dialog with Louis." Not really. And this is not a dialog that she started, she just finished it. And if she is "WAYYYY" out of her league why should any MF supporters be upset, he should be able to handle his own business, right?

allsmutaside said:

Timmy84 said:

It's what she said, what she said. That's why I said what I said. I should've worded it better. But Twitter's not exactly a place where you can hold your head up at if you're a celebrity.

[Edited 3/2/11 11:22am]

T 84 - I would like to ask you to re-read her Twitter statement. What she said was really very articulate and on point, and not terribly overwrought or overly involved. Personally, I too wish that she had just let it sit, but she is a young/jung/yung person who was being shamed and humiliated by a man of great bearing, many years her senior. (And a national religous leader, too. It doesn't get much deeper. Come on, are you saying that the Minister could say some stuff about you in that vein and get away with it without comment? I really do think that you would have something to say - "just talk about it.")

"She is WAYYYY out of her league having any sort of dialog with Louis." Not really. And this is not a dialog that she started, she just finished it. And if she is "WAYYYY" out of her league why should any MF supporters be upset, he should be able to handle his own business, right?

Well not her statement to Farrakhan. Again I should've worded it better. I'm just upset it was Twitter. I actually do agree with her on this regard.

Timmy84 said:

allsmutaside said:

T 84 - I would like to ask you to re-read her Twitter statement. What she said was really very articulate and on point, and not terribly overwrought or overly involved. Personally, I too wish that she had just let it sit, but she is a young/jung/yung person who was being shamed and humiliated by a man of great bearing, many years her senior. (And a national religous leader, too. It doesn't get much deeper. Come on, are you saying that the Minister could say some stuff about you in that vein and get away with it without comment? I really do think that you would have something to say - "just talk about it.")

"She is WAYYYY out of her league having any sort of dialog with Louis." Not really. And this is not a dialog that she started, she just finished it. And if she is "WAYYYY" out of her league why should any MF supporters be upset, he should be able to handle his own business, right?

Well not her statement to Farrakhan. Again I should've worded it better. I'm just upset it was Twitter. I actually do agree with her on this regard.

I admit it. Twitter weirds me out, too. But, as evidenced by the numbers of people on it, I need to get with today's real, somehow. (But maybe if I wait a bit I can outlast Twitter, avoiding it altogether, catching the next grrreat social network trend.)

allsmutaside said:

Really?

Is Mrs. Al Fucking Gore taking over the org?

As far as the assertion that Rihanna fans are swine - some folks seem to be fine with quoting Minister Farrakhan and taking the fuck-Rihanna-bandwagon around the block to who-cares-if-the-man-really-said-this lane. “A minister says I perform filthy, sat and watched the filth, then called you SWINE for doing the same! Haa, is that judgment in your tone?,” Rihanna posted on Twitter. “I certainly don’t think you are swine! But a holy man of God does!!!” Truth be told this is a measured and compotent response, and a little unexpected considering the source. Question is: did she get an accurate hearing of what he had to say? Regardless, I would suggest that it is uncalled for to put a young woman on blast for this when there are a couple of grown men and women here and there doing some things that are far more noteworthy than Rihanna. Why go for the obvious, the easy... Perhaps the thought of drawing back a nub after calling out Little Wayne causes folks to pause before doing it.

Are you kidding? Its an idiotic response. First of all, it seems that she tried to straw man the statement. She completely misrepresented what was said and tried to stir it in another direction. The insincerity alone makes her response incompetent. Its shows that she either A. didn't understand what was said and made up a response based on her lack of comprehension, or B. understood and deliberately tried to misrepresent what he said and turn it into something it wasn't.

Either way, bitch still can't sang.

[Edited 3/2/11 12:46pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

allsmutaside said:

Really?

Is Mrs. Al Fucking Gore taking over the org?

As far as the assertion that Rihanna fans are swine - some folks seem to be fine with quoting Minister Farrakhan and taking the fuck-Rihanna-bandwagon around the block to who-cares-if-the-man-really-said-this lane. “A minister says I perform filthy, sat and watched the filth, then called you SWINE for doing the same! Haa, is that judgment in your tone?,” Rihanna posted on Twitter. “I certainly don’t think you are swine! But a holy man of God does!!!” Truth be told this is a measured and compotent response, and a little unexpected considering the source. Question is: did she get an accurate hearing of what he had to say? Regardless, I would suggest that it is uncalled for to put a young woman on blast for this when there are a couple of grown men and women here and there doing some things that are far more noteworthy than Rihanna. Why go for the obvious, the easy... Perhaps the thought of drawing back a nub after calling out Little Wayne causes folks to pause before doing it.

Are you kidding? Its an idiotic response. First of all, it seems that she tried to straw man the statement. She completely misrepresented what was said and tried to stir it in another direction. The insincerity alone makes her response incompetent. Its shows that she either A. didn't understand what was said and made up a response based on her lack of comprehension, or B. understood and deliberately tried to misrepresent what he said and turn it into something it wasn't.

So she is either a dumb skank or a deceitful, lying skank.

Either way, bitch still can't sang.

[Edited 3/2/11 12:46pm]

and let the church say AMEN.

thatruth said:

Musicslave said:

Here's the actual article from the Chicago Sun-Times:

http://www.suntimes.com/n...riend.html

Louis Farrakhan says Moammar Gadhafi has always been a friend

By KiM JANSSEN Staff Reporter/kjanssen@suntimes.com Feb 28, 2011 07:27AM

Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, delivers the Saviour's Day address on Feburary 27, 2011 at the Allstate areana in Rosemont Il. l Keith Hale~Sun-Times

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Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan says Moammar Gadhafi has always been a friend and he won’t distance himself from the Libyan dictator.

Speaking Sunday at the annual Saviours’ Day convention at the Allstate Arena in Rosemont, Farrakhan didn’t discuss specifics about the deadly uprisings in Libya.

But the 77-year-old said no leader has been loved by 100 percent of his people and said that if Gadhafi is persecuted for crimes against humanity, the same should apply to former President George W. Bush for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Farrakhan visited Gadhafi in the 1980s and in 1996 accepted a humanitarian award from him. But during his speech Sunday he warned the wave of revolution spreading across the Middle East is coming to the United States.

Speaking to followers who all but filled the 18,000-seat venue, he said, “What you are looking at in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Yemen, in Jordan, in Libya, in Bahrain will soon, very soon be in all the nations of the world . . . and even sooner take place in America.

“What you see happening there, you’d better prepare because it will be coming to your door, America.”

And Farrakhan added, “I hope that President Obama will remember his instructions to all nations — be careful how you attack and kill innocent people who are protesting. Take your own words into your bosom and be reminded when it comes to your home.”

Followers rewarded him with several raucous standing ovations during the four-hour speech.

“Don’t leave until I close — that might be a year from now,” he joked with listeners at one point.

“Teach on!” his followers urged him.

Farrakhan also said he had spent time at the Church of Scientology’s celebrity center in Los Angeles and had been impressed with the church’s method of “auditing” — a process he said was comparable to therapy.

He said the church’s founder L. Ron Hubbard had a mission to “civilize white people,” adding that Hubbard “is so exceedingly valuable to every white person on this earth.”

Scientology books were available for sale at the Savior’s Day event, but Farrakhan said he was not converting and did not need a new religion.

His speech also covered familiar topics from previous Savior’s Day events, including a focus on the common beliefs of Christians and Muslims who he said “should not be at war with one another,” how the Nation of Islam believes that white people were created from blacks 4,000 years ago on an Aegean island by a black scientist, and on problems affecting the black community, including street gangs.

He also criticized the sexually charged performances of popstar Rihanna, saying they were “filthy” and that people who enjoyed such antics were “swine,” a description he also applied to homosexuals and lesbians. He also criticized immigrant Muslims in the Chicago area for moving to white suburbs and being patronizing toward black Muslims.

During Black History Month, schools should teach from Nation of Islam books that say Jewish people took advantage of blacks, he said. An Anti-Defamation League spokesman said Farrakhan’s comments were “just the usual hate speech and propoganda.”

He warned that non-believers and the sinful would face the wrath of God through high-technology UFOs or “wheels” that he has often described in previous addresses.

Contributing: AP

Oh yeah, I highlighted the parts that I thought were hilarious obviously....

[Edited 3/2/11 5:50am]

Once again, this is not a Farrakhan vs Rihanna conversation, he wasn't attacking her or her so-called fans but some of you dummies are constantly falling for the same old tricks by the media and the 10%.

I'll say it again, he wasn't attacking Rihanna or her little fans, he was attacking a sex-driven society and how if Rihanna (she was just an example, it could be anybody, Jane Doe) choose to exploit herself sexually, she's going to attract the lowest form of people.

I saw the lecture, and it reminded me of a grandfather trying to tell his granddaughter to stop acting like that, it was out of love and concern, and yes, he's done the same thing with rappers for years. But like I said before, this really isn't about Farrakhan but people are blowing it up to make it about Farrakhan and Nation of Islam. And I'm starting not the blame Rihanna either, she doesn't know any better, it's the instigators that need to be attacked and who are they?

You posted this article above from the Sun Times/AP, for what? Are you trying to show how crazy and out of touch Farrakhan is and how smart and intelligent Rihanna really is, and she's an innocence victim?

If you don't agree with what Farrakhan said about scientology and UFOs, then do what Farrakhan often says "You can take it or leave it alone." So leave it alone.

I don't believe in no UFOs and I damn sure not studying dianetics, but he was one point about if Gadhafi is being persecuted for crimes against humanity, the same charges should be against Former President Bush, but you didn't highlight that.

The more I study about the illuminati (10%) and the media, the more it's making more and more sense.

[Edited 3/2/11 9:35am]

If Minister Farrakhan could do that sermon all over again, he should have mention Beyonce, Lady Gaga, AND Miley Cyrus along with Rihanna just to see how many more critics he can piss off with the ugly truth!

AlexdeParis said:

Timmy84 said:

She was already ignorant enough to even go on Twitter. None of them should be judging the other. JMHO.

Being on Twitter doesn't make you ignorant.

The hell it doesn't!

Alex, you have see some of the insane waste arguments that people (especially teens) have among themselves. It's basically universal high school playground buffoonery.

Farrakhan shouldn't mess with Rihanna...right Tony?

BlaqueKnight said:

allsmutaside said:

Really?

Is Mrs. Al Fucking Gore taking over the org?

As far as the assertion that Rihanna fans are swine - some folks seem to be fine with quoting Minister Farrakhan and taking the fuck-Rihanna-bandwagon around the block to who-cares-if-the-man-really-said-this lane. “A minister says I perform filthy, sat and watched the filth, then called you SWINE for doing the same! Haa, is that judgment in your tone?,” Rihanna posted on Twitter. “I certainly don’t think you are swine! But a holy man of God does!!!” Truth be told this is a measured and compotent response, and a little unexpected considering the source. Question is: did she get an accurate hearing of what he had to say? Regardless, I would suggest that it is uncalled for to put a young woman on blast for this when there are a couple of grown men and women here and there doing some things that are far more noteworthy than Rihanna. Why go for the obvious, the easy... Perhaps the thought of drawing back a nub after calling out Little Wayne causes folks to pause before doing it.

Are you kidding? Its an idiotic response. First of all, it seems that she tried to straw man the statement. She completely misrepresented what was said and tried to stir it in another direction. The insincerity alone makes her response incompetent. Its shows that she either A. didn't understand what was said and made up a response based on her lack of comprehension, or B. understood and deliberately tried to misrepresent what he said and turn it into something it wasn't.

So she is either a dumb skank or a deceitful, lying skank.

Either way, bitch still can't sang.

[Edited 3/2/11 12:46pm]

BKnight - what is going on with that? Yes she can't sing, but neither can boatloads of other chicks and dudes with hits, and who act the fool in a sexually charged fashion on a national stage. Why is Rihanna to be put on the cross? Again, why not call out a man with those same qualities out by his name? (For the same reason Eminem calls out Moby, cuz his sorry little ass can do it without getting a beat down??) I really don't care too much about Rihanna one way or another. But your response is rather crazy to me relative to many of your other posts. In the course/context of this dialog I really don't know why (and for some reason I am thinking that you are an adult man) grown adult men feel it is ok/cool/acceptable to be calling a young woman a skank, bitch, etc., etc. And with regard to how you broke down her response and how it should be perceived as idiotic - talk about a lack of sincerity and insight. What I am more often sensing from people on this board in defense of M. Farrakhan is 1% about defending his position, and 99% about jumping on the hate-on-Rihanna bandwagon. She does not have to be a skank, deceitful, a bitch, or any number of shitty descriptors because she challenged a Minister of some note (some would say dubious note). I would prefer to hear people talking 100% smack rather than trying to suggest that she can't step with the Minister, cause she just went on a walkabout.

And what is it to "straw man the statement"? I like the sound of that, could you tell me more?

JoeTyler said:

Farrakhan shouldn't mess with Rihanna...right Tony?

Sorry Joe. I still stand by my words that Rihanna doesn't want to get into a war of words with Minister Farrakhan. Even if I disliked/hated him myself, I wouldn't want to battle Farrakhan!

I put Minister Farrakhan in the same status as Andrew Dice Clay & Mr. Paul Mooney. These are men that you never want to engage in a war of words with knowing that you will definitely lose in the end. Trust me, I'm telling you what I know.

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

Farrakhan shouldn't mess with Rihanna...right Tony?

Sorry Joe. I still stand by my words that Rihanna doesn't want to get into a war of words with Minister Farrakhan. Even if I disliked/hated him myself, I wouldn't want to battle Farrakhan!

I put Minister Farrakhan in the same status as Andrew Dice Clay & Mr. Paul Mooney. These are men that you never want to engage in a war of words with knowing that you will definitely lose in the end. Trust me, I'm telling you what I know.

She just got into a minor/one sided war or words with him, and killed it!!! Killed It!!! Killed It!!!

Mr. Paul Mooney and Minister Farrakhan in the same ... don't let Madea hear that shit.

allsmutaside said:

TonyVanDam said:

Sorry Joe. I still stand by my words that Rihanna doesn't want to get into a war of words with Minister Farrakhan. Even if I disliked/hated him myself, I wouldn't want to battle Farrakhan!

I put Minister Farrakhan in the same status as Andrew Dice Clay & Mr. Paul Mooney. These are men that you never want to engage in a war of words with knowing that you will definitely lose in the end. Trust me, I'm telling you what I know.

She just got into a minor/one sided war or words with him, and killed it!!! Killed It!!! Killed It!!!

Mr. Paul Mooney and Minister Farrakhan in the same ... don't let Madea hear that shit.

Whatever. You just keep telling yourself that Rihanna has the skills to defeat Farrakhan in a fair debate about politics OR modern pop culture.

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

Farrakhan shouldn't mess with Rihanna...right Tony?

Sorry Joe. I still stand by my words that Rihanna doesn't want to get into a war of words with Minister Farrakhan. Even if I disliked/hated him myself, I wouldn't want to battle Farrakhan!

I put Minister Farrakhan in the same status as Andrew Dice Clay & Mr. Paul Mooney. These are men that you never want to engage in a war of words with knowing that you will definitely lose in the end. Trust me, I'm telling you what I know.

I thought you believed that Rihanna has connections with the Illuminati

if you truly believe that, then you must accept that Rihanna could easily crush Farrakhan ...

Of course Rhianna is not going to call her fans swine. That's like Madonna dissing her gay fans, and it's a plenty. Also, I can see how she flipped the argument by calling him a self righteous hypocrite. Somehow, this is how I am interpreting this.

Lammastide said:

deebee said:

Harsh!

Look out for a new publicity snap of RiRi peering out the window, holding an AK. (In full bondage gear, of course.)

You jest, but that would be awesome!!!

I'll email her PR with a mock-up attached. Don't ask who's modeling.

allsmutaside said:

BKnight - what is going on with that? Yes she can't sing, but neither can boatloads of other chicks and dudes with hits, and who act the fool in a sexually charged fashion on a national stage. Why is Rihanna to be put on the cross? Again, why not call out a man with those same qualities out by his name? (For the same reason Eminem calls out Moby, cuz his sorry little ass can do it without getting a beat down??) I really don't care too much about Rihanna one way or another. But your response is rather crazy to me relative to many of your other posts. In the course/context of this dialog I really don't know why (and for some reason I am thinking that you are an adult man) grown adult men feel it is ok/cool/acceptable to be calling a young woman a skank, bitch, etc., etc. And with regard to how you broke down her response and how it should be perceived as idiotic - talk about a lack of sincerity and insight. What I am more often sensing from people on this board in defense of M. Farrakhan is 1% about defending his position, and 99% about jumping on the hate-on-Rihanna bandwagon. She does not have to be a skank, deceitful, a bitch, or any number of shitty descriptors because she challenged a Minister of some note (some would say dubious note). I would prefer to hear people talking 100% smack rather than trying to suggest that she can't step with the Minister, cause she just went on a walkabout.

And what is it to "straw man the statement"? I like the sound of that, could you tell me more?

If Rihanna is what is considered a "lady" then its no wonder the rest of the world thinks American women are sluts. Your standards have to be pretty damn low to hail Rihanna as any kind of "lady" with the way she carries herself. She's a pop star and most pop stars slut themselves out these days as a standard practice. They sell their looks just as much as they sell their music if not more so (as in Rihanna's case).
Dressing like a tramp and performing provocatively IS made to titilate people. If you think its not, then you are lying to yourself. Titilation does lead to lust and to believe otherwise is self-delusion. Farrakhan's point is that when you present yourself in a lustful way, you are bound to draw that type of attention. How is this not ture? It is. There is no disputing that.

I would gladly and just as easily replace Rihanna's name with many other "pop stars" including some men but that won't make her any less guilty of it. I have much more respect for honesty than feigned sincerity. The problem is that many women want to walk arund with their tits and asses out and try to command the same respect as those women who dress and act decently. Life doesn't work that way. If I walked around in a policeman's uniforn, why would you not think I was a cop?

So what if Rihanna was singled out? What's the problem? She is one of the guilty. You don't have to name everyone individually to cite examples.

The media almost always paraphrases for sensationalism. Of course they would present what he said in a way that is sensationalistic. That's what they do.

This chick is a pop star; there is no need to defend her like she is the first lady. She chose the job she does. Her line of idiot's reasoning was to attempt to condemn him for pointing it out by saying "welll you watched me" and then try to swing her "followers" to jump on the bandwagon by trying to say "see, he's attacking you". Under some circumstances, that can be interpreted as insighting a riot; an arrestable offense in some places. If she said that at a concert or somewhere public and people jumped on him, she'd go to jail for it. How in the hell is that an intelligent response? Its just a wordy way of communicating a childish and immature mentality: "If I'm guilty then you are too" and "ooh, he talking about you - get him".

Straw Man

JoeTyler said:

TonyVanDam said:

Sorry Joe. I still stand by my words that Rihanna doesn't want to get into a war of words with Minister Farrakhan. Even if I disliked/hated him myself, I wouldn't want to battle Farrakhan!

I put Minister Farrakhan in the same status as Andrew Dice Clay & Mr. Paul Mooney. These are men that you never want to engage in a war of words with knowing that you will definitely lose in the end. Trust me, I'm telling you what I know.

I thought you believed that Rihanna has connections with the Illuminati

if you truly believe that, then you must accept that Rihanna could easily crush Farrakhan ...

I said that Rihanna was and still is a pawn. I've never said that she was THE brightest of the pawns.

And besides, Farrakhan (despite being a "good" Freemason) is still blacklisted by the ADL & the pro-Zionists. That is punishment in itself as far as The Illuminati are concern. But the addition details are better off in another thread in P&R.