V10LETBLUES said:

The beach boys and pet sounds are the most overrated act and album in pop music. period.

To put the beach boys and The Beatles in the same sentence is like comparing mj to Mc Hammer.

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I think you have a point but you are greatly overstating it. The Beach Boys circa 1962-1966 were a phenomenal singles act but their albums had a lot of filler.

StonedImmaculate said:

Outside of "Wouldnt It Be Nice" and "God Only Knows", I just dont dig it.

Really?!? "Caroline No"? "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times"? "That's Not Me"? "Sloop John B"? "Don't Talk"? I'm not saying it's the best thing since sliced bread, but those songs don't do anything for you?

LiveToTell86 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

No fan of MJ, but this album deserves the praise, sales and awards it gets.

It is the zenith of consumer friendly, kid friendly, pop confection.

Being able to recognize its impact on the industry and how it changed the way music is marketed is one thing and that does not mean you have to kick yourself if you don't actually enjoy any of the 9 songs on it. Same goes for Sgt. Pepper, I understand its impact, the concept-album thingy and how everyone wanted to copy it, but I still don't care for it and if I want to hear Beatles I'll play the '1' compilation instead.

Co-sign. That works for me . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

LiveToTell86 said:

Being able to recognize its impact on the industry and how it changed the way music is marketed is one thing and that does not mean you have to kick yourself if you don't actually enjoy any of the 9 songs on it. Same goes for Sgt. Pepper, I understand its impact, the concept-album thingy and how everyone wanted to copy it, but I still don't care for it and if I want to hear Beatles I'll play the '1' compilation instead.

Co-sign. That works for me . . . .

If I were going to get a Beatles compilation, Red and Blue are infinitely better. To release any hits compilation without "Strawberry Fields Forever" is just all kinds of wrong.

AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:

Co-sign. That works for me . . . .

If I were going to get a Beatles compilation, Red and Blue are infinitely better. To release any hits compilation without "Strawberry Fields Forever" is just all kinds of wrong.

Just realized that's not in my collection.

SUPRMAN said:

AlexdeParis said:

If I were going to get a Beatles compilation, Red and Blue are infinitely better. To release any hits compilation without "Strawberry Fields Forever" is just all kinds of wrong.

Just realized that's not in my collection.

See! Those compilations miss too many great songs. No "Don't Let Me Down," no "Back in the USSR," no "Across the Universe," no "Rain," no "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...

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AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:

Just realized that's not in my collection.

See! Those compilations miss too many great songs. No "Don't Let Me Down," no "Back in the USSR," no "Across the Universe," no "Rain," no "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...

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I have the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame performance of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."

SUPRMAN said:

AlexdeParis said:

See! Those compilations miss too many great songs. No "Don't Let Me Down," no "Back in the USSR," no "Across the Universe," no "Rain," no "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...

[Edited 2/21/11 17:09pm]

I have the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame performance of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."

That's a great performance. It couldn't replace the original for me, though.

AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:

Co-sign. That works for me . . . .

If I were going to get a Beatles compilation, Red and Blue are infinitely better. To release any hits compilation without "Strawberry Fields Forever" is just all kinds of wrong.

I tried them and that song aside, I found especially the Blue one overlong and without focus, too much album tracks I just didn't care for. 1 is still a great listen all the way through, I just appreciate the flow of it.

To each his own, but ALL the 09/09/09/ remasters are a must have; even Yellow Submarine is entertaining/charming/interesting enough...

AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:

Co-sign. That works for me . . . .

If I were going to get a Beatles compilation, Red and Blue are infinitely better. To release any hits compilation without "Strawberry Fields Forever" is just all kinds of wrong.

Yep, those albums were my introduction to the Beatles. I've think I've listened to the 1st disc of 'The Blue Album' more than any other Beatles cd.

Confessions by Usher? CHIIILE!!! That album is not no classic..none of his are sadly by now.

paisleypark4 said:

Confessions by Usher? CHIIILE!!! That album is not no classic..none of his are sadly by now.

He has to be making some money off of Bieber fever at least. Super Bowl and Grammys prob. helped sales, even if you couldn't hear him sing at the Super Bowl.

V10LETBLUES said:

The beach boys and pet sounds are the most overrated act and album in pop music. period.

To put the beach boys and The Beatles in the same sentence is like comparing mj to Mc Hammer.

[Edited 2/21/11 14:58pm]

Music's subjective to taste, and to me, when something's overrated, it's more like this peer pressure "have to have it" mindset that people get. Maybe over time, with all the people talking about it, it's become a "classic album". And maybe Capitol has gone overboard with reissuing it, but that doesn't make it overrated.

How are the Beach Boys overrated when "Pet Sounds" was considered a flop when it came out?

It's not even critics who praise them, but singers, songwriters and producers.

http://www.brianwilson.com/brian/musicians.html

They were kids writing their own songs, doing their own melodies, and producing their own albums within 2-3 years. Barely out of high school... I think one of them might have still been in high school when they became famous.

You have to take into account, whether it's Prince, Stevie or McCartney, or anyone taking complete control in the studio, The Beach Boys were one of the first bands to do it, and be successful at it.

Something like "Thriller" took an army to put together, even though you hear the "Billie Jean" demo and he knew what he wanted it to sound like, and some people feel that he should've kept working with Quincy Jones, and he's the "genius" behind that album.

JoeTyler said:

To each his own, but ALL the 09/09/09/ remasters are a must have; even Yellow Submarine is entertaining/charming/interesting enough...

I agree, but I didn't get Yellow Submarine since I switched over to mono. I did have to get Past Masters though because of "The Ballad of John and Yoko."

LiveToTell86 said:

AlexdeParis said:

If I were going to get a Beatles compilation, Red and Blue are infinitely better. To release any hits compilation without "Strawberry Fields Forever" is just all kinds of wrong.

I tried them and that song aside, I found especially the Blue one overlong and without focus, too much album tracks I just didn't care for. 1 is still a great listen all the way through, I just appreciate the flow of it.

But isn't that kind of the point? By then, the Beatles were all over the map, trying new things, George becoming more of a songwriting force, etc. But if you found Blue overlong, you're probably more of a pre-Rubber Soul fan. That would explain why you wouldn't find stuff like "A Day in the Life," "Here Comes the Sun," "Revolution," and "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" essential.

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JamFanHot said:

Dewrede said:

no

i like Revolver , Rubber Soul , The White Album and Abbey Road much better

it's great though

silverchild said:

JamFanHot said:

Yeah I'm more of a White Album and Abbey Road guy myself. But Sgt. Pepper will have a special place in my collection.

it's 1 big acid trip

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dalsh327 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

The beach boys and pet sounds are the most overrated act and album in pop music. period.

To put the beach boys and The Beatles in the same sentence is like comparing mj to Mc Hammer.

[Edited 2/21/11 14:58pm]

Music's subjective to taste, and to me, when something's overrated, it's more like this peer pressure "have to have it" mindset that people get. Maybe over time, with all the people talking about it, it's become a "classic album". And maybe Capitol has gone overboard with reissuing it, but that doesn't make it overrated.

How are the Beach Boys overrated when "Pet Sounds" was considered a flop when it came out?

It's not even critics who praise them, but singers, songwriters and producers.

http://www.brianwilson.com/brian/musicians.html

They were kids writing their own songs, doing their own melodies, and producing their own albums within 2-3 years. Barely out of high school... I think one of them might have still been in high school when they became famous.

You have to take into account, whether it's Prince, Stevie or McCartney, or anyone taking complete control in the studio, The Beach Boys were one of the first bands to do it, and be successful at it.

Something like "Thriller" took an army to put together, even though you hear the "Billie Jean" demo and he knew what he wanted it to sound like, and some people feel that he should've kept working with Quincy Jones, and he's the "genius" behind that album.

I agree with a lot of what you say. Pop/Rock is a relatively new form of music. A form that has not advance too dramatically.

The reason The Beach Boys and and Jerry Lee Lewis are still at the top of some music critics list is because they were "popular" at the beginning. But they are still the baby scribbles on the refrigerator door. The scribbles that people are hesitant to take down for generational sentimental reasons. The scribbles that appealed and were palatable to White-America in ways that Chuck Berry wasn't.

In time their work will fade away into obscurity because their actual output does not hold up. And their true achievement, their cult of personality (Brian Wilson) is nowhere in same league as someone like Elvis to survive.

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dalsh327 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Confessions by Usher? CHIIILE!!! That album is not no classic..none of his are sadly by now.

He has to be making some money off of Bieber fever at least. Super Bowl and Grammys prob. helped sales, even if you couldn't hear him sing at the Super Bowl.

yeah he is making cash flow..he smiling now all the way to the bank...even though he cant still cant get through a decent album.