One of the first to use reverb and distortion.

Timmy84 said:

One of the first to use reverb and distortion.

Yeah, but a lot of music history books claim it was George Harrison on I Feel Fine.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

One of the first to use reverb and distortion.

Yeah, but a lot of music history books claim it was George Harrison on I Feel Fine.

So they say...and I love "I Feel Fine" lol

It's interesting that Hispanic & Japanese people appreciate old R&B and doo wop more than blacks do.

MickyDolenz said:

It's interesting that Hispanic & Japanese people appreciate old R&B and doo wop more than blacks do.

Are you sure about that? Because its blatantly generalizing & incorrect as the day is long.

MickyDolenz said:

It's interesting that Hispanic & Japanese people appreciate old R&B and doo wop more than blacks do.

Because they know what's up. Black folks, we often drop the soap every time. Now we're in a confused mess. That's why I almost can't relate to people my age anymore like I used to in the '90s. It's almost a discontent or something.

Harlepolis said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's interesting that Hispanic & Japanese people appreciate old R&B and doo wop more than blacks do.

Are you sure about that? Because its blatantly generalizing & incorrect as the day is long.

I didn't say all, so it's not generalization. It's like it's mostly whites that go to many of the jazz & blues concerts. In the USA younger blacks are into Hip Hop and Beyonce' style R&B and don't start funk bands like Osaka Monaurail.

Harlepolis said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's interesting that Hispanic & Japanese people appreciate old R&B and doo wop more than blacks do.

Are you sure about that? Because its blatantly generalizing & incorrect as the day is long.

Sounds like generalizing , and maybe it is, but I've seen it to be largely true. The Hispanics, like the Cholo's (Mexicans) in East Los Angeles LOVE old Motown, and other soul from the 50's & 60's. They've almost claimed it as their own, they've certainly put their own spin on how the music is enjoyed. And Hell, Puerto Ricans ARE black, so... (here in NY anyway). Meaning Blacks & Puerto Ricans share a lot of culture together here.

And then I've had the great opportunity to hangout and party with many close Japanese friends over the years, and they went GA-GA-GOO-GA-GA over George Clinton when I took them to a couple of shows. Now, they're stoned cold Funkateers. Also, I've known my Japanese friends to be CRAZY about Reggae music. as well as the Blues. Although, I've not known many of those groups to be much into RAP music. Again: Generally speaking.

I can understand the reflex to bristle at such a statement (...quite often, I'm the Generalization Police, lol), but I've noticed it myself long before ever reading about it here. Now, not to say that all Black people don't appreciate R&B and Doo Wop. But there certainly seems to be other groups that demonstrate a greater appreciation for it, and in greater numbers. Particularly if you compare the number of Black youth that may listen to Doo Wop or Oldies, to the number of Japanese youth that may listen to Doo Wop or Oldies.

Maybe for Black folks it's that we know we created it, so we can afford to be more laid back in our appreciation of it. Just a thought.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

One of the first to use reverb and distortion.

Yeah, but a lot of music history books claim it was George Harrison on I Feel Fine.

that's feedback on I Feel Fine, not distortion

PDogz said:

Harlepolis said:

Are you sure about that? Because its blatantly generalizing & incorrect as the day is long.

Sounds like generalizing , and maybe it is, but I've seen it to be largely true. The Hispanics, like the Cholo's (Mexicans) in East Los Angeles LOVE old Motown, and other soul from the 50's & 60's. They've almost claimed it as their own, they've certainly put their own spin on how the music is enjoyed. And Hell, Puerto Ricans ARE black, so... (here in NY anyway). Meaning Blacks & Puerto Ricans share a lot of culture together here.

And then I've had the great opportunity to hangout and party with many close Japanese friends over the years, and they went GA-GA-GOO-GA-GA over George Clinton when I took them to a couple of shows. Now, they're stoned cold Funkateers. Also, I've known my Japanese friends to be CRAZY about Reggae music. as well as the Blues. Although, I've not known many of those groups to be much into RAP music. Again: Generally speaking.

I can understand the reflex to bristle at such a statement (...quite often, I'm the Generalization Police, lol), but I've noticed it myself long before ever reading about it here. Now, not to say that all Black people don't appreciate R&B and Doo Wop. But there certainly seems to be other groups that demonstrate a greater appreciation for it, and in greater numbers. Particularly if you compare the number of Black youth that may listen to Doo Wop or Oldies, to the number of Japanese youth that may listen to Doo Wop or Oldies.

Maybe for Black folks it's that we know we created it, so we can afford to be more laid back in our appreciation of it. Just a thought.

I NEVER bought that theory. Never.

Generally speaking black folks tend to innovate and quickly move on while white folks explore those innovations and put a different spin on them. In the '40s and '50s jazz and blues were king, then it was R & B and disco and then hip hop/rap. With each new innovation the previous style is to a large degree abandoned. I think that rap has overstayed it's welcome and we are long overdue for something new.

rialb said:

Generally speaking black folks tend to innovate and quickly move on while white folks explore those innovations and put a different spin on them. In the '40s and '50s jazz and blues were king, then it was R & B and disco and then hip hop/rap. With each new innovation the previous style is to a large degree abandoned. I think that rap has overstayed it's welcome and we are long overdue for something new.

Well that so-called electro dance pop shit is already replacing rap in the U.S. We move on kinda stupidly. And then act like we can't relate to what white folks have done to it. At the end of the day, it's supposed to be universal to listen to music you dig. I do predict however that funk may make a comeback...maybe not in the mainstream but it's coming back.

Timmy84 said:

I do predict however that funk may make a comeback...maybe not in the mainstream but it's coming back.

Funk was never really mainstream, at least not on pop Top 40. Look at the Commodores and Kool & The Gang. They didn't crossover much until they started doing pop ballads.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

I do predict however that funk may make a comeback...maybe not in the mainstream but it's coming back.

Funk was never really mainstream, at least not on pop Top 40. Look at the Commodores and Kool & The Gang. They didn't crossover much until they started doing pop ballads.

Yeah the REAL funk never "mainstreamed".

Whites and other non blacks have long enjoyed our music and "appreciated" our talents. They have not however, apprecaited or respected us as people, so I'm not inclined to care.

ANY FUCKIN' WAYS, back to Guitar Watson...

119 said:

Whites and other non blacks have long enjoyed our music and "appreciated" our talents. They have not however, apprecaited or respected us as people, so I'm not inclined to care.

Now this is a generalization.

119 said:

Whites and other non blacks have long enjoyed our music and "appreciated" our talents. They have not however, apprecaited or respected us as people, so I'm not inclined to care.

Here is a special message to you from Mr. James Brown:

MickyDolenz said:

119 said:

Whites and other non blacks have long enjoyed our music and "appreciated" our talents. They have not however, apprecaited or respected us as people, so I'm not inclined to care.

Now this is a generalization.

Not really............