When it was a favourite artist you loved from your heart, your number one, did you ever feel resentment and/or anger at any point towards them even if they weren't at fault, and let it take over for sometime? How did you deal with it? Were you miserable in your own life when it was happening?

I know it sounds very odd, but I don't think it's uncommon, it's just not spoken about.

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I'm afraid I don't follow your point.

By "someone", you mean somebody I know personally, or a "favorite artist"?

Harlepolis said:

I'm afraid I don't follow your point.

By "someone", you mean somebody I know personally, or a "favorite artist"?

fave artist, let me edit

The Michael Jackson fan community has gone collectively insane, I'll put it that way.

Although, most of them weren't terribly 'stable' to begin with.

Ok then

And to answer your question, the only time I felt resentment toward an artist I like was toward Prince during that whole "cease & desist" brouhaha. But looking at the bright side of that scenario, it taught me to stop putting emotional investment toward people I probably would never meet.

I didn't dwell on it for too long though. I mean I still think he's a piece of shit on a personal level for the crap he pulled on this site, but musically, he's still a hero of mine.

Harlepolis said:

Ok then

And to answer your question, the only time I felt resentment toward an artist I like was toward Prince during that whole "cease & desist" brouhaha. But looking at the bright side of that scenario, it taught me to stop putting emotional investment toward people I probably would never meet.

I didn't dwell on it for too long though. I mean I still think he's a piece of shit on a personal level for the crap he pulled on this site, but musically, he's still a hero of mine.

Okay, yeah - I see how that read as pretty random .

But honesly - recently the MJ fanbase did lose him, although not necessarily in the sense that was meant in the first post, and there's always been a certain amount of instability and rage in that fan community that's only gotten worse since then, so in a sense I'm not completely off topic.

As far as myself - of course, there's musicians that, for one reason or another, I'm no longer a fan of. My feelings about it at the time usually aren't anger, just a lot of sadness.

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armpit said:

Harlepolis said:

Ok then

And to answer your question, the only time I felt resentment toward an artist I like was toward Prince during that whole "cease & desist" brouhaha. But looking at the bright side of that scenario, it taught me to stop putting emotional investment toward people I probably would never meet.

I didn't dwell on it for too long though. I mean I still think he's a piece of shit on a personal level for the crap he pulled on this site, but musically, he's still a hero of mine.

Okay, yeah - I see how that read as pretty random .

But honesly - recently the MJ fanbase did lose him, although not necessarily in the sense that was meant in the first post, and there's always been a certain amount of instability and rage in that fan community that's only gotten worse since then, so in a sense I'm not completely off topic.

As far as myself - of course, there's musicians that, for one reason or another, I'm no longer a fan of. My feelings about it at the time usually aren't anger, just a lot of sadness.

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I'm sorry about that, I actually typed that before I read your post I think you make alot of sense though.

Harlepolis said:

armpit said:

Okay, yeah - I see how that read as pretty random .

But honesly - recently the MJ fanbase did lose him, although not necessarily in the sense that was meant in the first post, and there's always been a certain amount of instability and rage in that fan community that's only gotten worse since then, so in a sense I'm not completely off topic.

As far as myself - of course, there's musicians that, for one reason or another, I'm no longer a fan of. My feelings about it at the time usually aren't anger, just a lot of sadness.

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I'm sorry about that, I actually typed that before I read your post I think you make alot of sense though.

Don't apologize, you didn't do anything wrong, it's fine lol.

I was just about to tell you your name is armpit, but then read the rest Any chance it was inspired by Prince's Rolling Stone cover? That always made me lmao

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Interesting question.

Lucky 4 me all of my favorites are still around except James Brown.

He lost me after the early 1970's so I did not take it 2 hard when he past away a couple of years ago.

I was very sad, but then very pissed off when Jerry Garcia passed in 1995. Unlike a lot of my friends who went on GD and JGB listening binges, I couldn't enjoy the music for the next few years. I did a lot of thinking on it and eventually came to the realization that Jerry lived exactly the way he wanted to live, which was basically their entire dogma when you got right to the core of it. Since then I've been fine with listening to all the music from 65-95, but I still have never really been able to get into any of their post-JG projects.

there's never been an artist that burned out in their prime when they had a reasonable back catalogue and long time fanbase

you either have artists like james brown, ray charles or michael jackson who pass decades after their prime and long after they have done anything of note, or you have artists like jeff buckley or curt cobain who die young, but who haven't yet built up a long term fanbase. they may have died close to their creative peak, but as they haven't been around long enough, or at least anywhere near popular for long, it's not had such an effect

so your elder artists with a great catalogue pass, and people mourn the death, but they usually knew it was coming. perhaps not so much with elvis or lennon, but they long passed their creative peak

and your newer artists like curt, jeff, or even artists like hendrix and morrison, they died near the peak of fame, but they didn't have the long term career and catalogue with fans following them for decades before they died

thus people either didn't follow artists for long before they died, or they had followed them for so long that death wasn't unexpected

thus resentment and anger shouldn't come into the equation

Michael

armpit said:

But honesly - recently the MJ fanbase did lose him, although not necessarily in the sense that was meant in the first post, and there's always been a certain amount of instability and rage in that fan community that's only gotten worse since then, so in a sense I'm not completely off topic.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! i thought this was kind of funny... as a person whose favourite artists are STEVIE and michael, i thought this was funny. i don't really communicate with most people in michael's fan base because i find it's difficult to have an actual dialog with them. to many folks, he's better than perfect. he's human, just like the rest of us.

for me though; i do consider michael to be my teacher... when he transcended a huge part of me was gone. i cried for about 16 days.

MJJstudent said:

for me though; i do consider michael to be my teacher... when he transcended a huge part of me was gone. i cried for about 16 days.

I'm still crying....but have other emotional problems anyway

alphastreet said:

MJJstudent said:

for me though; i do consider michael to be my teacher... when he transcended a huge part of me was gone. i cried for about 16 days.

I'm still crying....but have other emotional problems anyway

yeah... i just found out a few hours ago a good friend of mine transcended this morning, so i'm struggling a bit. i feel about as heartbroken as when i found out about michael. because i consider michael to be my teacher, and my friend to be my rock.

so sorry to hear that *hug*

Phyllis Hyman's death hit me harder than any other artist's passing. I was in pain over that for a long time. I was never resentful, though. I understood why she chose to leave this life the way she did.

Graycap23 said:

Interesting question.

Lucky 4 me all of my favorites are still around except James Brown.

He lost me after the early 1970's so I did not take it 2 hard when he past away a couple of years ago.

JB was one of my faves so I was sad but not angry...he lived a full life, yadda, yadda. I played his songs for a whole month straight though.

I literally cried over MJ and it surprised me because I really hadn't been into him that much for a few years when he died. It was so senseless and he was only 50 dammit.

I remember being very angry with Teddy Pendergrass when he had that stupid accident and ended up in a wheelchair but I wasn't angry when he died.

Armpit...

People like to think celebrities don't matter, they like to deride those who care about them on a personal level. But what those people don't realise is that real artists (I mean the actual artists not your average Kardashian nobody) are putting their heart and soul out there for public consumption so it makes sense that their fans feel a connection to them, to the point where they are more than just a favourite singer or a cool celebrity to them.

I don't think anyone should feel bad or stupid for loving an artist, I've loved MJ since I was 5 years old and that's not gonna change. I get a lot of shit here for loving Britney, too, but I don't care. Those two are my #1s forever.

So for me losing Michael was like losing a friend/family member because his music had always been there for me, the way a trusting friend is. The fact that he was such a loving, caring, peaceful person made his passing (or hoaxing whatever) even more painful, seeing "new" fans and finally seeing the love he'd always searched for in humanity - only once he was no longer here. I beat myself up sometimes at the fact that I wasn't more open about my love for him before then but haters can be scary (or just not worth it )

I never felt angry at him, maybe frustrated at him trusting people too easily/not standing up hard enough. But IMO that fault lies with them for taking advantage, not him for remaning a good person. I think if it is somehow proven Murray definitely did let him die (I don't think it ever will, where are those autopsy pics?) then I will feel so much rage and heartbreak but I don't think I could ever aim it at Michael directly. I know what insomnia/anxiety is like, obviously not on his level, but I could understand the frustration at not being able to sleep and then since he's MJ he knows he has the money/power to make it happen, even if it was life threatening.

If he hoaxed his death, I would hope it's for his kids/his own/his family/his fans (in that order) safety - I don't want him to come back one day and be all "See, media? Who's in charge now?!" If that happened I don't know what I'd do/feel....I really don't...I'd probably feel about him the way I feel about Prince now - indifferent but I still love his music. I couldn't care less about Prince the person, he's a douchenozzle and is singhandedly ruining/failing to preserve his own legacy. But what a legacy it is, all the same...

I really miss Luther Vandross-his voice was so amazing and of course MJ too.

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There are some artists that I just lost in touch with and just don't understand anymore. I mean, it's sad but not painful so I let them go.

BUT there are those who leave this world too early...and I'm not ready to let go of them yet.

I am still kinda heartbroken over MJ. I thought I was over it. Then I listened to Music and Me this morning and I cried like a baby. A lot of it comes from nostalgia, memories and the what ifs that I occasionally fantasized in my head. I'm not mad at Mike. More like, frustrated... I've been waiting for an album for so long...Oh well. It's no longer important.

I'm just really frustrated with the whole situation, at the whole mess. I can't make myself care anymore. I feel like the magic is gone. The rest is there to make profit now without the old creativity I crave back in the day. I will forever love Michael but I can't give a shit about the new projects unless it's an old track recorded in the past and old DVD tours.

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I have a more emotional connection to the music than anything. There have been few exceptions (Michael, once I got to understand him more; and for a time Mary J. Blige, but she's lost me too for a minute).

But I don't think it's loss. Hell I wasn't around when Marvin was making music but I'm sure his spirit is still alive, as is Michael's. Matter of fact I didn't cry when Michael died. I was more like "he's at the other side of the world".

It's kinda how I react if any of my favorite living artists suddenly passed right now. If their music makes a personal connection with me, I wouldn't weep, I'll just go "thank you for inspiring me".

armpit said:

Although, most of them weren't terribly 'stable' to begin with.

Shut up! Asshole!

PatrickS77 said:

armpit said:

Although, most of them weren't terribly 'stable' to begin with.

Shut up! Asshole!

. That is a perfect example of what armpit just said.

smoothcriminal12 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Shut up! Asshole!

. That is a perfect example of what armpit just said.

Oh? Is it?? Is lumping a whole range of people from all over the world, from all walks of life, without knowing any of them, together into the looney bin, a sign of being sane and stable?

For me it has been the lost of Teena Marie. For the first time I felt old. My musical heroine passed and it wasn't due to drug OD. It was natural causes.

So I learned that I'm at an age where I should start expecting my musical heroes to pass, and in fact that I should not be surprise when my own circle of friends (and yes, me too) are faced with pending death.

When Minnie Riperton passed, I was pretty upset, but when Teena Marie passed, I was REALLY hit hard. I had no appetite for about 4 days and had waves of nausea for the same duration. Sucked. I just keep 'em both in the present tense and then I don't feel so bad. Works for ME.