Two males kissing...America is not ready for this..the double standards of accepting lesbianism but hating male homosexuality is amazing.

This video is fodder at the hood barbershops.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...RwLMC2wP0g

RnBAmbassador said:

Two males kissing...America is not ready for this..the double standards of accepting lesbianism but hating male homosexuality is amazing.

This video is fodder at the hood barbershops.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...RwLMC2wP0g

I loved how brunt she presented the issues facing young gay black men (and gay men in general regardless of race).

Nice song. Interested in getting her cd. It would be my first purchase of a

new release in a year.

It was a creative way to get her point across.

RnBAmbassador said:

Two males kissing...America is not ready for this..the double standards of accepting lesbianism but hating male homosexuality is amazing.

This video is fodder at the hood barbershops.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...RwLMC2wP0g

Really? the Prime Time TV show Brothers and Sisters has two males married and sleeping together and they have kissed. When has there been a lesbian kiss on tv that wasnt staged are just two women that wanted to kiss? I think we mix up two females kissing and just say its lesbians, go to any club or facebook page of some hot chick and they are always kissing some other girl, and yet arent gay.

Katy Perry - Firework, too.

Its not nearly as controversial nowadays, so much as its "noticeable". I will give the video director credit for making it make a point, however its such a downer video that I don't really want to watch it much, so I flip when it comes on.

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Controversial it will be, but it's still a very good song.

BklynBabe said:

Btdt. Christina Aguilera Beautiful, anyone?

BklynBabe said:

Btdt. Christina Aguilera Beautiful, anyone?

I thought that was real beautiful (pun intended). I have to find the GIF for it.

I agree the content is not as new as it might have been years ago, but this sort of thing hasn't been as sympathetically taken on in black popular music/culture. Or as frontally, either -- unless it's attached to some scandalizing or slightly humourous element, as in R. Kelly's Trapped in the Closet serials.

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[Snip - luv4u]

RnBAmbassador, when you mention the barbershops, are you hearing that it's stirring up discussion already? Or are you predicting it will?

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Alamine said:

[Snip - luv4u]

and your use of the N-word makes the point of "we need to focus on something else'.

The N-word is so ugly and reflective of our self-hatred.

This video definitely hits home for me as a Black gay man in America. Although I have not ever considered suicide or anything like that I do feel that Marsha did her job as an artist to get people talking.

Alamine said:

[Snip - luv4u]

The issues facing homosexuals in the black community are unimportant? What, then, would you propose should be the focus, oh enlightened one?

just1lousydime said:

Alamine said:

[Snip - luv4u]

The issues facing homosexuals in the black community are unimportant? What, then, would you propose should be the focus, oh enlightened one?

some bullshit about Kaney West, if it's Alamine

RnBAmbassador said:

Alamine said:

[Snip - luv4u]

and your use of the N-word makes the point of "we need to focus on something else'.

The N-word is so ugly and reflective of our self-hatred.

There are priorities in this world, yes. But their application is not always prudent, necessary or based in fact or truth. Often their application is more about fear, self-hatred and ignorance. An infinitely stronger case can be made that unless all members of a culture, community, nation, body of people are represented and treated with respect, inclusion and love, the entire culture, community, nation, body of people will never hold any real power, strength, truth, prosperity... Alamine, it appears that someone does in fact want to "see that shit." Why are people always "focused on some sexual shit?" Because they are interested and drawn to it. The super fast and angry homophobia is always, for me, an indicator that someone is interested at some level in gettin' some same sex lovin', but are just too scared. (I'll provide a list of "shit" from the straight world that no one wants to see at a later date.)

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemoeller

On a side note the text did not read N-Word. It read "niggas." Some people do not define this word choice as negative. Some define it as powerful and redemptive as they are assuming control of something previously held as a weapon against them. Particularly in this instance I think it is clear that "niggas" was not reflecting self-hate and I support Alamine in his word choice. I am a faggot all day long. I am Queer. I am Gay. For me, it doesn't matter what you call me, it matters what your intentions are when you call me. It degrades and misguides the conversation to use some absurd form of colloquialism when speaking. To me the PC construction of that forced conversation is racist in and of itself.

That was depressing......I guess it hit a little close to home.

RnBAmbassador said:

Alamine said:

[Snip - luv4u]

and your use of the N-word makes the point of "we need to focus on something else'.

The N-word is so ugly and reflective of our self-hatred.

Now this is rich. Set a fire in order to distract from a real issue within the community. It's called multi-tasking. The community can deal with more than one issue at a time.

allsmutaside said:

RnBAmbassador said:

and your use of the N-word makes the point of "we need to focus on something else'.

The N-word is so ugly and reflective of our self-hatred.

There are priorities in this world, yes. But their application is not always prudent, necessary or based in fact or truth. Often their application is more about fear, self-hatred and ignorance. An infinitely stronger case can be made that unless all members of a culture, community, nation, body of people are represented and treated with respect, inclusion and love, the entire culture, community, nation, body of people will never hold any real power, strength, truth, prosperity... Alamine, it appears that someone does in fact want to "see that shit." Why are people always "focused on some sexual shit?" Because they are interested and drawn to it. The super fast and angry homophobia is always, for me, an indicator that someone is interested at some level in gettin' some same sex lovin', but are just too scared. (I'll provide a list of "shit" from the straight world that no one wants to see at a later date.)

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemoeller

On a side note the text did not read N-Word. It read "niggas." Some people do not define this word choice as negative. Some define it as powerful and redemptive as they are assuming control of something previously held as a weapon against them. Particularly in this instance I think it is clear that "niggas" was not reflecting self-hate and I support Alamine in his word choice. I am a faggot all day long. I am Queer. I am Gay. For me, it doesn't matter what you call me, it matters what your intentions are when you call me. It degrades and misguides the conversation to use some absurd form of colloquialism when speaking. To me the PC construction of that forced conversation is racist in and of itself.

I find it offensive. Not only do I feel offended if someone were to refer to me with this term. I would feel mad as hell if someone used that term in reference to my child. Once I had a child... I realized that I find it unacceptable for her... therefore it should be unacceptable for anyone else. No matter how it is spelled and camoflauged.

Seriously, not everyone who dislikes homosexuality is a closet homosexual. That's a tired defense mechanism. With most of the community being religious and inundated with religious conditioning, its a much more likely conclusion that people have been taught that homosexuality is a "sin" and they will be condemned for it. Not to mention, heterosexuals aren't any more interested in participating in homosexuality as homosexuals are in heterosexuality. Its not "special"; its simply a trait of an individual. Its what some people just "are".
I respect her for tackling a sensitive subject in the community. Its only when people face what they avoid do they learn to conquer it. Homosexuality isn't going anywhere and the black community is still a bit archaic in our attitude about it. As a het male, I admit this. People will always make jokes but I myself don't keep the company of anyone who would bully or harass someone for being gay. At the end of it all, we are all just people trying to get through live and deal with our experiences however we can.
Oh, and this woman's voice is BEAUTIFUL. Marsha can sing her ass off. I wish her well.