lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

True.

I mean again im hearing her talk about like she was Stevie or the Beatles or a motown legend or some classic rock artist, she had one album, that was created by Puffy and Biggie, had it not been for them she wouldnt be, she took what they built and made herself into a clown image, and thats what many have done before and since. Kim is not and never was CLOSE to being original even in her biggie days she wasnt.

I don't know about HERE, but yeah you go elsewhere and you get that kinda talk about Kim. I remember folks back then thinking she was gonna be a flash in the pan around '97.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

I mean again im hearing her talk about like she was Stevie or the Beatles or a motown legend or some classic rock artist, she had one album, that was created by Puffy and Biggie, had it not been for them she wouldnt be, she took what they built and made herself into a clown image, and thats what many have done before and since. Kim is not and never was CLOSE to being original even in her biggie days she wasnt.

I don't know about HERE, but yeah you go elsewhere and you get that kinda talk about Kim. I remember folks back then thinking she was gonna be a flash in the pan around '97.

yeah i dont really know what Kim is now, i mean she should have just let this go, come back and do what you did back then, forget the image and show the skills that u preach u have. As its been said a million times, KIM looks bitter and OLD doing this nonsense, and to be honest, even if she came back with blonde hair, big chest, etc...and doing what Nicki is doing, that would have been more of a "shot" at Nicki than coming off this way, this way, is forced, its easy to put out HATE records, its simple, everyone wants to diss and no one wants to compete.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't know about HERE, but yeah you go elsewhere and you get that kinda talk about Kim. I remember folks back then thinking she was gonna be a flash in the pan around '97.

yeah i dont really know what Kim is now, i mean she should have just let this go, come back and do what you did back then, forget the image and show the skills that u preach u have. As its been said a million times, KIM looks bitter and OLD doing this nonsense, and to be honest, even if she came back with blonde hair, big chest, etc...and doing what Nicki is doing, that would have been more of a "shot" at Nicki than coming off this way, this way, is forced, its easy to put out HATE records, its simple, everyone wants to diss and no one wants to compete.

Exactly. I've noticed this laziness for a while especially in hip-hop. And when you have only a few female acts, you think they do more but they don't. That's what makes Lil Kim such a disappointment to me.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

yeah i dont really know what Kim is now, i mean she should have just let this go, come back and do what you did back then, forget the image and show the skills that u preach u have. As its been said a million times, KIM looks bitter and OLD doing this nonsense, and to be honest, even if she came back with blonde hair, big chest, etc...and doing what Nicki is doing, that would have been more of a "shot" at Nicki than coming off this way, this way, is forced, its easy to put out HATE records, its simple, everyone wants to diss and no one wants to compete.

Exactly. I've noticed this laziness for a while especially in hip-hop. And when you have only a few female acts, you think they do more but they don't. That's what makes Lil Kim such a disappointment to me.

I mean whats the point? Im so glad that someone who i respect hasnt done this, like say Amerie coming out with a "diss" record for Beyonce, you know?, I mean like someone said before how come Madonna hasnt done a diss on Gaga if she fears her?? the difference is that Madonna doesnt fear, like her or not, i got to give it to her, when she wants, she'll put something out and say "here take this" but its done because she wants to do it and its not just a diss record. Kim is a huge let down because this could have gone so many other ways for her, i thinnk her time in jail made her more ignorant and angry.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly. I've noticed this laziness for a while especially in hip-hop. And when you have only a few female acts, you think they do more but they don't. That's what makes Lil Kim such a disappointment to me.

I mean whats the point? Im so glad that someone who i respect hasnt done this, like say Amerie coming out with a "diss" record for Beyonce, you know?, I mean like someone said before how come Madonna hasnt done a diss on Gaga if she fears her?? the difference is that Madonna doesnt fear, like her or not, i got to give it to her, when she wants, she'll put something out and say "here take this" but its done because she wants to do it and its not just a diss record. Kim is a huge let down because this could have gone so many other ways for her, i thinnk her time in jail made her more ignorant and angry.

Yeah exactly. Respect your rivals even if they are your rivals. I know people will excuse Kim vs. Minaj as hip-hop protocol but in hindsight it really isn't.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

I mean whats the point? Im so glad that someone who i respect hasnt done this, like say Amerie coming out with a "diss" record for Beyonce, you know?, I mean like someone said before how come Madonna hasnt done a diss on Gaga if she fears her?? the difference is that Madonna doesnt fear, like her or not, i got to give it to her, when she wants, she'll put something out and say "here take this" but its done because she wants to do it and its not just a diss record. Kim is a huge let down because this could have gone so many other ways for her, i thinnk her time in jail made her more ignorant and angry.

Yeah exactly. Respect your rivals even if they are your rivals. I know people will excuse Kim vs. Minaj as hip-hop protocol but in hindsight it really isn't.

Very True. Kim best move would have been to stay silent and put out a record, plain and simple, sometimes you say more by saying nothing at all.

lastdecember said:

Why are people talking about KIM like she is an original?? She is a freaking gimmick herself, i mean cmon now, there are 2 kims the one that was with Biggie and then the plastic one, that plastic one was not original it was a gimmick, so Minaj is copying a copy of a copy. Whats next calling GaGa an originator? Folks get fucking real with this talk already, KIM is a clown, she is upset about an image that isnt even who she was to begin with ok.

I never thought that Kim was original.A female rapper who does dirty raps?? LOL,been there,done that! She was basically just the hip-hop version of Millie Jackson.Same with Foxy Brown.

SoulAlive said:

lastdecember said:

Why are people talking about KIM like she is an original?? She is a freaking gimmick herself, i mean cmon now, there are 2 kims the one that was with Biggie and then the plastic one, that plastic one was not original it was a gimmick, so Minaj is copying a copy of a copy. Whats next calling GaGa an originator? Folks get fucking real with this talk already, KIM is a clown, she is upset about an image that isnt even who she was to begin with ok.

I never thought that Kim was original.A female rapper who does dirty raps?? LOL,been there,done that! She was basically just the hip-hop version of Millie Jackson.Same with Foxy Brown.

Also BWP(Bitches with Problems) and H.W.A. (Hoes Wit' Attitude) back in 1991.