thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

I'll give Joe's props though for what he did. He was the one who instilled the work ethic the brothers had until 1989 and it was because of him that the brothers never really fell out of the public eye. And he was the one who got them out of the Motown contract. Yeah they got sued later on...but still

Bobby Taylor doesn't get any props and Gordon Keith been hocking the same Steeltown mastertapes since the 70s. How many "new discoveries" of Big Boy have we had so far?

Yeah, I say that too. Joe getting them off Motown was one of the most important and decisive moves in Michael's whole career I feel. I think both Joe and Michael went to Gordy and asked to leave. Jermaine wanted to stay of course (fair enough considering Hazel) but if they would of stayed at Motown, they probably would of become an oldies act like other motown acts or faded into obscurity ala Jermaine. Motown was pretty much finished as a major by the late 70's outside of Gaye, Wonder and maybe Diana Ross. Particually compared to their heyday.

Even premier Motown acts like the Temptations, despite making contemporary pop/rnb albums untill the mid 90's, became an oldies act. The Jacksons never did so props on the spot for Joe kicking up a fuss when him and the brothers were sick of some of the songs Motown were giving them. And props to CBS who were allegedly going to drop them after "goin' places" until Mike and Joe again kicked up a fuss and demanded to produce and write their own material. Back then record companies would give you second and even third or forth chances, unlike now unfortunately.

Joe was an asshole in alot of ways but at least he never conned his boys money wise which he could of done so easily, even if it was probably him who got the brothers to do that awful 70's variety tv show after nearly killing their careers in Vegas in the mid 70's (another bad career move). Mike hated doing the tv shows (and probablh Vegas) and I don't blame him. It was wack! Still, Joe Jackson did find them "blame it on the boogie", so he wasn't all bad all the time LOL. And in an odd way, he did have their best interests at heart.

Yeah no doubt Joe did good lol but of course in recent years the bad has outweighed the good.

Timmy84 said:

thesexofit said:

Yeah, I say that too. Joe getting them off Motown was one of the most important and decisive moves in Michael's whole career I feel. I think both Joe and Michael went to Gordy and asked to leave. Jermaine wanted to stay of course (fair enough considering Hazel) but if they would of stayed at Motown, they probably would of become an oldies act like other motown acts or faded into obscurity ala Jermaine. Motown was pretty much finished as a major by the late 70's outside of Gaye, Wonder and maybe Diana Ross. Particually compared to their heyday.

Even premier Motown acts like the Temptations, despite making contemporary pop/rnb albums untill the mid 90's, became an oldies act. The Jacksons never did so props on the spot for Joe kicking up a fuss when him and the brothers were sick of some of the songs Motown were giving them. And props to CBS who were allegedly going to drop them after "goin' places" until Mike and Joe again kicked up a fuss and demanded to produce and write their own material. Back then record companies would give you second and even third or forth chances, unlike now unfortunately.

Joe was an asshole in alot of ways but at least he never conned his boys money wise which he could of done so easily, even if it was probably him who got the brothers to do that awful 70's variety tv show after nearly killing their careers in Vegas in the mid 70's (another bad career move). Mike hated doing the tv shows (and probablh Vegas) and I don't blame him. It was wack! Still, Joe Jackson did find them "blame it on the boogie", so he wasn't all bad all the time LOL. And in an odd way, he did have their best interests at heart.

Yeah no doubt Joe did good lol but of course in recent years the bad has outweighed the good.

I really don't think he means any harm. Whenever I see him now he just seems so old and senile. A little stubborn but no loch ness monster like they make him out to be.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah no doubt Joe did good lol but of course in recent years the bad has outweighed the good.

I really don't think he means any harm. Whenever I see him now he just seems so old and senile. A little stubborn but no loch ness monster like they make him out to be.

Why is he even allowed out the house? You think a reasonable person in that family would have the man in their care rather than have him lose his mind in front of the public. He's 81 now.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

I really don't think he means any harm. Whenever I see him now he just seems so old and senile. A little stubborn but no loch ness monster like they make him out to be.

Why is he even allowed out the house? You think a reasonable person in that family would have the man in their care rather than have him lose his mind in front of the public. He's 81 now.

Well like we said before the Jacksons seem to have no common sense. I remember right after Michael died they had him all over the place. Of all people. And just making a fool out of himself. He was at the BET Awards with Al Sharpton, he was on Larry King, he was in the club, he was givin anyone and everyone an interview, but the common denominator was he couldn't put together a complete sentence whenever he popped up. And I don't think he meant any harm he's just senile and needs to sit his old wrinkly ass down somewhere.

Why not Jackie? Why not Tito? I know no one's perfect and they've had their problems too but they make much more sense to me then Jermaine. Wouldn't it be intelligent to push them to the forefront instead of him? How is he the voice of moral reason when he doesn't even wanna pay child support for his own kids?

But no every time there's something to discuss all I see is Joe, Jermaine, and Latoya.

Big fan of Jackie Jackson's "Be the one" album from 1989. Love the production on it. It's poppy, but it's more consistant then Randy and the gypsy's album I feel, and that is mainly thanks to it being produced, co-written and mainly played by Robert Brookins (Earth wind and fire, Bobby Brown, Dale Bozzio...) As he helped produce and co-write pretty much every track (aswell as even help mix a few of them), it's no surprise that the album is abit samey, but if you liked "stay", you should pick it up.

I've had it for many years now and it surprises me how good it is. Sure Jackie doesn't have half the voice of Robert Brookins, who was a great and underated vocalist, but he sounds good enough on the slow jam "stuck on you" though, and sounds fine on the more uptempo tracks. MOR ballad "Broken heart" is a nice change of pace too, proving Brookins can help write and produce more MOR material to a decent standard aswell.

Funny, Robert Brookins did a track called "Code blue" that he produced off his own album called "let it be me" (an album all about the slowjams), and it sounds alot like the work on Jackie's album, released just one year after Robert's. Sort of like a dry run LOL.

I dig Roberts synth solo in the middle of the song.

Robert Brookins "Code blue"

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

Why is he even allowed out the house? You think a reasonable person in that family would have the man in their care rather than have him lose his mind in front of the public. He's 81 now.

Well like we said before the Jacksons seem to have no common sense. I remember right after Michael died they had him all over the place. Of all people. And just making a fool out of himself. He was at the BET Awards with Al Sharpton, he was on Larry King, he was in the club, he was givin anyone and everyone an interview, but the common denominator was he couldn't put together a complete sentence whenever he popped up. And I don't think he meant any harm he's just senile and needs to sit his old wrinkly ass down somewhere.

Why not Jackie? Why not Tito? I know no one's perfect and they've had their problems too but they make much more sense to me then Jermaine. Wouldn't it be intelligent to push them to the forefront instead of him? How is he the voice of moral reason when he doesn't even wanna pay child support for his own kids?

But no every time there's something to discuss all I see is Joe, Jermaine, and Latoya.

That's the thing. NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING. They don't seem to realize that. Goes back to what I said about them not having that many brain cells or not using them properly.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Well like we said before the Jacksons seem to have no common sense. I remember right after Michael died they had him all over the place. Of all people. And just making a fool out of himself. He was at the BET Awards with Al Sharpton, he was on Larry King, he was in the club, he was givin anyone and everyone an interview, but the common denominator was he couldn't put together a complete sentence whenever he popped up. And I don't think he meant any harm he's just senile and needs to sit his old wrinkly ass down somewhere.

Why not Jackie? Why not Tito? I know no one's perfect and they've had their problems too but they make much more sense to me then Jermaine. Wouldn't it be intelligent to push them to the forefront instead of him? How is he the voice of moral reason when he doesn't even wanna pay child support for his own kids?

But no every time there's something to discuss all I see is Joe, Jermaine, and Latoya.

That's the thing. NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING. They don't seem to realize that. Goes back to what I said about them not having that many brain cells or not using them properly.

Yea somethin's not right upstairs. And how they can sit and chat with people who talk wild shit about them is beyond me.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

That's the thing. NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING. They don't seem to realize that. Goes back to what I said about them not having that many brain cells or not using them properly.

Yea somethin's not right upstairs. And how they can sit and chat with people who talk wild shit about them is beyond me.

They take that "sleep with the fishes" term too literally.

musicjunky318 said:

Well like we said before the Jacksons seem to have no common sense. I remember right after Michael died they had him all over the place. Of all people. And just making a fool out of himself. He was at the BET Awards with Al Sharpton, he was on Larry King, he was in the club, he was givin anyone and everyone an interview, but the common denominator was he couldn't put together a complete sentence whenever he popped up. And I don't think he meant any harm he's just senile and needs to sit his old wrinkly ass down somewhere.

Why not Jackie? Why not Tito? I know no one's perfect and they've had their problems too but they make much more sense to me then Jermaine. Wouldn't it be intelligent to push them to the forefront instead of him? How is he the voice of moral reason when he doesn't even wanna pay child support for his own kids?

But no every time there's something to discuss all I see is Joe, Jermaine, and Latoya.

Sadly, I don't think most of these shows would've booked Jackie or Tito. They seem to want the Jacksons the public laughs at.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Yea somethin's not right upstairs. And how they can sit and chat with people who talk wild shit about them is beyond me.

They take that "sleep with the fishes" term too literally.

Apparently.

mookie said:

musicjunky318 said:

Well like we said before the Jacksons seem to have no common sense. I remember right after Michael died they had him all over the place. Of all people. And just making a fool out of himself. He was at the BET Awards with Al Sharpton, he was on Larry King, he was in the club, he was givin anyone and everyone an interview, but the common denominator was he couldn't put together a complete sentence whenever he popped up. And I don't think he meant any harm he's just senile and needs to sit his old wrinkly ass down somewhere.

Why not Jackie? Why not Tito? I know no one's perfect and they've had their problems too but they make much more sense to me then Jermaine. Wouldn't it be intelligent to push them to the forefront instead of him? How is he the voice of moral reason when he doesn't even wanna pay child support for his own kids?

But no every time there's something to discuss all I see is Joe, Jermaine, and Latoya.

Sadly, I don't think most of these shows would've booked Jackie or Tito. They seem to want the Jacksons the public laughs at.

Well yea exactly.

Michael Jackson- Becoming Legendary

HAPPYPERSON said:

Michael Jackson- Becoming Legendary

I love this...

thesexofit said:

Big fan of Jackie Jackson's "Be the one" album from 1989. Love the production on it. It's poppy, but it's more consistant then Randy and the gypsy's album I feel, and that is mainly thanks to it being produced, co-written and mainly played by Robert Brookins (Earth wind and fire, Bobby Brown, Dale Bozzio...) As he helped produce and co-write pretty much every track (aswell as even help mix a few of them), it's no surprise that the album is abit samey, but if you liked "stay", you should pick it up.

I've had it for many years now and it surprises me how good it is. Sure Jackie doesn't have half the voice of Robert Brookins, who was a great and underated vocalist, but he sounds good enough on the slow jam "stuck on you" though, and sounds fine on the more uptempo tracks. MOR ballad "Broken heart" is a nice change of pace too, proving Brookins can help write and produce more MOR material to a decent standard aswell.

Funny, Robert Brookins did a track called "Code blue" that he produced off his own album called "let it be me" (an album all about the slowjams), and it sounds alot like the work on Jackie's album, released just one year after Robert's. Sort of like a dry run LOL.

I dig Roberts synth solo in the middle of the song.

Robert Brookins "Code blue"

I liked Jackie's album (it's better than Marlon's Baby Tonight), but he even said Randy had the best album in 1989. Well, he said it's better than Rhythm Nation.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

thesexofit said:

Big fan of Jackie Jackson's "Be the one" album from 1989. Love the production on it. It's poppy, but it's more consistant then Randy and the gypsy's album I feel, and that is mainly thanks to it being produced, co-written and mainly played by Robert Brookins (Earth wind and fire, Bobby Brown, Dale Bozzio...) As he helped produce and co-write pretty much every track (aswell as even help mix a few of them), it's no surprise that the album is abit samey, but if you liked "stay", you should pick it up.

I've had it for many years now and it surprises me how good it is. Sure Jackie doesn't have half the voice of Robert Brookins, who was a great and underated vocalist, but he sounds good enough on the slow jam "stuck on you" though, and sounds fine on the more uptempo tracks. MOR ballad "Broken heart" is a nice change of pace too, proving Brookins can help write and produce more MOR material to a decent standard aswell.

Funny, Robert Brookins did a track called "Code blue" that he produced off his own album called "let it be me" (an album all about the slowjams), and it sounds alot like the work on Jackie's album, released just one year after Robert's. Sort of like a dry run LOL.

I dig Roberts synth solo in the middle of the song.

Robert Brookins "Code blue"

I liked Jackie's album (it's better than Marlon's Baby Tonight), but he even said Randy had the best album in 1989. Well, he said it's better than Rhythm Nation.

If memory serves me correct - and it might not - Jermaine actually made that quip about Randy's album being better than Rhythm Nation 1814 on Donahue when the whole family (minus Janet and Michael) appeared.

Swa said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I liked Jackie's album (it's better than Marlon's Baby Tonight), but he even said Randy had the best album in 1989. Well, he said it's better than Rhythm Nation.

If memory serves me correct - and it might not - Jermaine actually made that quip about Randy's album being better than Rhythm Nation 1814 on Donahue when the whole family (minus Janet and Michael) appeared.

Swa said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I liked Jackie's album (it's better than Marlon's Baby Tonight), but he even said Randy had the best album in 1989. Well, he said it's better than Rhythm Nation.

If memory serves me correct - and it might not - Jermaine actually made that quip about Randy's album being better than Rhythm Nation 1814 on Donahue when the whole family (minus Janet and Michael) appeared.

I believe 'Love's Never Felt So Good' has leaked in great quality fairly recently. for those unaware.

Marrk said:

I believe 'Love's Never Felt So Good' has leaked in great quality fairly recently. for those unaware.

Please orgnote me if you have it.

Not to start anything here, but Blanket is a CARBON COPY of Michael. Unbelievable. He´s the cutest thing I´ve ever seen. Along with Michael, of course.

[Edited 1/29/11 7:51am]

dag said:

Not to start anything here, but Blanket is a CARBON COPY of Michael. Unbelievable. He´s the cutest thing I´ve ever seen. Along with Michael, of course.

[Edited 1/29/11 7:51am]

Oprah comes across as if she was doing this interview as a favor for the Jacksons, but then milks the whole experience to gain more ratings by airing a behind the scenes special on it.

[Edited 1/29/11 9:17am]

dag said:

Marrk said:

I believe 'Love's Never Felt So Good' has leaked in great quality fairly recently. for those unaware.

Please orgnote me if you have it.

Hook a sistah up!

From Soundmind:

Here is a time line:

- Summer of 2005, MJ left the U.S leaving Randy in charge of his financial empire.

- Late 2006 and at the beginning of 2007 lawsuits being filed against MJ left and right, Miky Pharmacy claimed they were not paid during the period from May 2005 till December 2006 , they said MJ had a contract with them to pay for more than 50 individuals( MJ was abroad during that period), ofcourse the media said those 50 names were all aliases LOL they were actually his employees at Neverland. The state of California also ordered MJ to pay thousands of dollars as fine due to his failure for months to pay the health insurance covering his Neverland employees , again we are talking about late 2006 when MJ was still abroad and Randy incharge. A furniture company also filed lawsuit claiming they were not paid during that period.

- MJ came back on December,25, 2006. A few days later he filed a lawsuit against the team of accountants and mangers hired by Randy during the trial. He claimed they signed deals on his behalf without his knowledge, they stole ANNUALLY $2.5 millions dollar from his accounts, there were no records of where & how that huge amount was spent, the money simply disappeared, they did not pay his bills and failed to pay his employees salaries.Missing from the lawsuit was Randy's name ofcourse . The lawyers countered sued and the judge threw their claims out.

. Rumours spread; MJ owing his younger brother Randy almost $ 1 million ( suuuuure he was not even willing to pay for his own kids ) Randy threatening he will sue him, the fans believed it was just meritless rumours and Randy would not do such a thing, Oxman also filed his own lawsuit accusing MJ of cheating him out of $ 1.5 millions, the lawsuit was thrown.

- The siblings EXCEPT Randy ( pissed & busy trying to figure how to cover his ass )hired Leonrad Rowe in March ,2007 to prepare for the family reunion, that's two months since MJ came back to the U.S. They tried to contact him but he declined , still fresh in his mind the mess Jermaine got him into in Bahrain and what Randy did to him. He figured the family was trying to reach him in desperate attempt to convince him to drop the lawsuit against the accountants hired by Randy, Randy's name would be brought up sooner or later in the lawsuit and Mother Katherine's heart would be broken *sigh*

- In July 2007,MJ's sworn statement surfaced in which he blamed Randy for trying to force him to sell his share in the ATV/Sony catalogue.

- Randy tried to broke into MJ's house and force him to drop the lawsuit, when his efforts failed he threatened he would go to the media.

- Roger Friedman was the mouthspeaker, he wrote everything Randy fed him, he could not prove he did not steal from MJ, the best strategy was to convince his mother ,siblings and the very willing to believe public that MJ was heavily addicted and his accusations should have been ignored . He needed Kathrine's blessings and support so he had to blame someone other than Mike for the addiction, as we know katherine's boys do no wrong including Mike, he blamed Grace and Raymone.

- Katherine, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Latoya and Rebbie signed a statement denying any intervention took place, missing were joe, Randy and Janet.

-Rowe was still talking of the family reunion, MJ issued a statement wishing his siblings the best and denying he would participate in any upcoming family event.

- May, 2008 MJ settled with the accountants.

-February, 2009 the family was shopping a reality TV show, everyone in Hollywood turned them down.

- March ,2009 MJ announced the This is it concerts , everyone was interested in everything MJ , the man had just sold 1 million tickets in four hours ,the brothers felt it was the right time to try their luck with their tv show , AGIAN everyone turned them down. That was in May, days later an article quoting Tito expressing his worries about MJ, telling friends he would not be able to do the shows due to his heavy addiction and we all know what Joe and Rowe did after they were sacked by him.


Conclusion: Convincing the rest of the family that MJ was on drugs was the solution Randy found to cover up his ass, especially since MJ was not the type who would come and confront u, he would hide and cut any contact with u. Deep inside everyone was willing to believe Randy , all of them were struggling financially and their brother was signing deals for hundreds of millions of dollars. You could only imagine how did they feel all of them with no exception when he sold out 50 concerts within four hours and they could not even get one tv to air a one-hour show on them. The frustration & anger toward him ;if he agreed to appear for one minute in their reality tv show, they would have got a deal, he denied them even that.

It was very easy to blame it on drugs than to accept the hard reality, or should I say their egos could not allow them to admit publicly their greedy ways was the real reason he did not want to do anything with them anymore. Compared to him they are losers on every level, they know it very well but hope their kids, wives, and the public don't ," hey at least we are not addicts".

And of course, the "he was a drug addict" story is great for the family, mainly Joe and Randy. Claiming he was a druggie is the only way these two have of shifting the blame of his death to AEG so they can sue it and get an enormous payday. Get why Rowe, Oxman and Joe are everywhere, 24/7, calling MJ an unhealthy, frail looking drug addict? That's the only way they have to create a lawsuit against AEG which is what they have been wanting since Rowe and Joe were told to get lost in June-2009.

[Edited 1/29/11 15:01pm]

MOL said:

From Soundmind:

Here is a time line:

- Summer of 2005, MJ left the U.S leaving Randy in charge of his financial empire.

- Late 2006 and at the beginning of 2007 lawsuits being filed against MJ left and right, Miky Pharmacy claimed they were not paid during the period from May 2005 till December 2006 , they said MJ had a contract with them to pay for more than 50 individuals( MJ was abroad during that period), ofcourse the media said those 50 names were all aliases LOL they were actually his employees at Neverland. The state of California also ordered MJ to pay thousands of dollars as fine due to his failure for months to pay the health insurance covering his Neverland employees , again we are talking about late 2006 when MJ was still abroad and Randy incharge. A furniture company also filed lawsuit claiming they were not paid during that period.

- MJ came back on December,25, 2006. A few days later he filed a lawsuit against the team of accountants and mangers hired by Randy during the trial. He claimed they signed deals on his behalf without his knowledge, they stole ANNUALLY $2.5 millions dollar from his accounts, there were no records of where & how that huge amount was spent, the money simply disappeared, they did not pay his bills and failed to pay his employees salaries.Missing from the lawsuit was Randy's name ofcourse . The lawyers countered sued and the judge threw their claims out.

. Rumours spread; MJ owing his younger brother Randy almost $ 1 million ( suuuuure he was not even willing to pay for his own kids ) Randy threatening he will sue him, the fans believed it was just meritless rumours and Randy would not do such a thing, Oxman also filed his own lawsuit accusing MJ of cheating him out of $ 1.5 millions, the lawsuit was thrown.

- The siblings EXCEPT Randy ( pissed & busy trying to figure how to cover his ass )hired Leonrad Rowe in March ,2007 to prepare for the family reunion, that's two months since MJ came back to the U.S. They tried to contact him but he declined , still fresh in his mind the mess Jermaine got him into in Bahrain and what Randy did to him. He figured the family was trying to reach him in desperate attempt to convince him to drop the lawsuit against the accountants hired by Randy, Randy's name would be brought up sooner or later in the lawsuit and Mother Katherine's heart would be broken *sigh*

- In July 2007,MJ's sworn statement surfaced in which he blamed Randy for trying to force him to sell his share in the ATV/Sony catalogue.

- Randy tried to broke into MJ's house and force him to drop the lawsuit, when his efforts failed he threatened he would go to the media.

- Roger Friedman was the mouthspeaker, he wrote everything Randy fed him, he could not prove he did not steal from MJ, the best strategy was to convince his mother ,siblings and the very willing to believe public that MJ was heavily addicted and his accusations should have been ignored . He needed Kathrine's blessings and support so he had to blame someone other than Mike for the addiction, as we know katherine's boys do no wrong including Mike, he blamed Grace and Raymone.

- Katherine, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Latoya and Rebbie signed a statement denying any intervention took place, missing were joe, Randy and Janet.

-Rowe was still talking of the family reunion, MJ issued a statement wishing his siblings the best and denying he would participate in any upcoming family event.

- May, 2008 MJ settled with the accountants.

-February, 2009 the family was shopping a reality TV show, everyone in Hollywood turned them down.

- March ,2009 MJ announced the This is it concerts , everyone was interested in everything MJ , the man had just sold 1 million tickets in four hours ,the brothers felt it was the right time to try their luck with their tv show , AGIAN everyone turned them down. That was in May, days later an article quoting Tito expressing his worries about MJ, telling friends he would not be able to do the shows due to his heavy addiction and we all know what Joe and Rowe did after they were sacked by him.


Conclusion: Convincing the rest of the family that MJ was on drugs was the solution Randy found to cover up his ass, especially since MJ was not the type who would come and confront u, he would hide and cut any contact with u. Deep inside everyone was willing to believe Randy , all of them were struggling financially and their brother was signing deals for hundreds of millions of dollars. You could only imagine how did they feel all of them with no exception when he sold out 50 concerts within four hours and they could not even get one tv to air a one-hour show on them. The frustration & anger toward him ;if he agreed to appear for one minute in their reality tv show, they would have got a deal, he denied them even that.

It was very easy to blame it on drugs than to accept the hard reality, or should I say their egos could not allow them to admit publicly their greedy ways was the real reason he did not want to do anything with them anymore. Compared to him they are losers on every level, they know it very well but hope their kids, wives, and the public don't ," hey at least we are not addicts".

And of course, the "he was a drug addict" story is great for the family, mainly Joe and Randy. Claiming he was a druggie is the only way these two have of shifting the blame of his death to AEG so they can sue it and get an enormous payday. Get why Rowe, Oxman and Joe are everywhere, 24/7, calling MJ an unhealthy, frail looking drug addict? That's the only way they have to create a lawsuit against AEG which is what they have been wanting since Rowe and Joe were told to get lost in June-2009.

[Edited 1/29/11 15:01pm]

MJ surely stated the obvious: Everyone around him wanted a piece of him

Love's Never Felt So Good.

http://www.mediafire.com/...xdvkao4dj2

WildStyle said:

Swa said:

If memory serves me correct - and it might not - Jermaine actually made that quip about Randy's album being better than Rhythm Nation 1814 on Donahue when the whole family (minus Janet and Michael) appeared.

No, I remember, it was definitely Jackie.

That'll teach me to post to the org late at night - lol - yes you were both correct - Jackie did say it.

Here is the clip from Donahue (1:30) - the whole show is up.

http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2011/01/28/Interview-exclusive r.-Freeze-fait-des-r%C3%A9v%C3%A9lations-sur-le-prochain-album.../3 233

Translated with google:

While many fans are very interested in appropriations for each album of Michael Jackson, some go further in their approach. Thus, four members of the forum MJFrance managed to get in touch with Elliott Straits best known under the name of Dr. Freeze, ie the producer of " Break Of Dawn "(Invincible)," A Place With No Name "or" Blue Gangsta ".

Dr. Freeze has worked in the studio with Michael Jackson and book in an exclusive interview very interesting news just for you. And enter more deeply into the secret recordings of the King of Pop when he discovered this three-part interview. Part one today titled: Dr. Freeze made revelations about the next album ...

Quagmire: I'm eager to hear how you began working with Michael Jackson and how he contacted you.

Dr. Freeze: I knew his manager, John McClain, and I was working on an album with my partners, Spydermann. After completing the album, it did not go as planned and we had to cancel the exit. I was very upset. And then John McClain said, "Do not worry Freeze. I have another project for you. I'll be in business with Michael. "I said:" Michael ... who? "and he said:" Michael Jackson! "I did not believe it at first and I thought it was crazy. And then one day I was on the phone with my father and someone called me on the other line ... and it was Michael! That's how it all began. I had some songs and I made to Michael. He adored them! Because Michael and I, we have a sound very close. So every time I proposed something, it was easy for him to study the song because it was as if he already knew. I asked him songs and he adored. He cherished them. That's how we met.

Q: Speaking of "Break Of Dawn " , which is a great song. I think that's one of the most sensual songs he has ever made and that's what I wanted to hear Michael. I do not know if you know, this is the first time he talks about making love in a song. I do not know if you had addressed this very issue with him?

F: (laughs) Yeah, thank you. It was his favorite song was his baby .

Q: Do you remember the exact number of songs that you have presented?

F: I introduced him to many songs. The main songs on which we worked are "Break Of Dawn", "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". These three songs were our priorities. "Break Of Dawn" is one of the songs that have been finalized. Others have been released later. They are kept in reserve.

Q: So you suggest songs and Michael said if you liked a particular song. As I understand, he loved every Break Of Dawn, and from there he decided to focus on this particular song. What happened next?

F: We were recording, we changed the studio, we re-register, we recorded more songs. You know, "A Place With No Name" and "Gangsta Blue" were recorded at the same time. There are also some others I can not speak for now. But other songs were recorded. We saved a lot but these three songs were our three main objectives.

Q: What was your mindset in the first day in studio with him? How did you feel?

F: It was pretty scary for me! I felt to be back in primary school and not knowing anything about the production! Michael I relearned everything. The other producers and I were as students face a teacher. With Michael, it was as if we knew nothing more to our business: we had to start over and relearn everything. He taught us to do everything the best way possible: Michael was a perfectionist and we had to start from scratch to produce the music for the best possible way. I was very nervous, very nervous but very honored! Anyway, Michael was more nervous with you than you were with him. It was simply the most wonderful people with whom you could never dream of working together. It was great! He knew all about the music industry, everything about everything, nothing was foreign to him, and he taught me a lot. Finally, he was very humble and creative. It was really great to work with him.

Q: You have therefore proposed his "Break Of Dawn", and then you had to redo the song in full by following his advice?

F: No, he just had to record vocals ... and add his magic! It was like flowers and trees grew in the song! He touched her and it became magical! I was shocked!

Q: So all the musical parts and the lyrics were made in advance?

F: Yes, he loved the song! He wanted to leave it as is! All I had done on this piece, no one had the right to change anything. Because it sounded like he had heard the first time we had a dream, a vision, and he wanted to recreate this dream in song to the last detail. He did not want to change anything, he wanted to keep the magic of the song absolutely intact. What you hear on Invincible is exactly the version I've given him before he raises his voice there.

Q: How long did it take him to record the song?

F: It took him time because he wanted a lot of momentum in the voice, especially the harmony you hear in the chorus. It took time. Process studio was as long if we was spinning film!

Q: At that time, he also worked on other songs for Invincible?

F: Yes .

Q: So he was taken to record his voice, listening to them, arranged them, started working on other songs, then returned a few days later to make additional catch?

F: Yes, it was incremental work. Sometimes he recorded the lead vocals, sometimes it was just the chorus or adlib ... He also listened to the different mixes and changed some details in here and there. He was in full creative process. We wanted song either perfect and return to my analogy on cinema he was like filmmaker seeking improve his film making evolve script or changing actors. This type of process it has used to create this song, and overall, the album Invincible .

Q: So basically, he changed a verse, started work on another song, and a few days later, he came to you to change the song again?

F: Yes. When he returned changes were made and ideas were proposed, he listened attentively. It also arose at times and arranged two or three things. Ultimately, all decisions were his. It was the boss. It was open to any criticism or suggestions beneficial to the song, as it kept its effectiveness. All that interested him was to have hits in power.

Q: Who had the idea of taking "A Horse With No Name" group America?

F: That's me. Again, I did all the music, and he only had to learn the lyrics. It was at the same time as Break Of Dawn, but it is not extended and continued to work on it later. It has improved gradually.

Q: Was it planned for the album Invincible or another project?

F: Initially it was planned for Invincible, yes. It is not out on this album and was therefore kept in reserve as "Blue Gangsta".

Q: Compared to the extract leaked on the Internet, can we expect differences mixing?

F: Yes, what you heard is an old mix. One you'll soon hear is completely new .

Q: You said "soon"? I am willing to learn more!

F: "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". will both be on the next album of Michael. "A Place With No Name" will be different from the leak on the internet, it will be updated. For "Blue Gangsta" I rerecorded the instrumental. So expect changes .

Q: Did you have completed this song with Michael in his lifetime?

F: Absolutely, it had been finalized .

Q: What were your feelings about Michael when you got to know a bit more in the studio?

F: It taught me not only to create a song correctly, but it also gave me advice on the music industry as a whole. My main feeling is that he was an absolute genius. I was fortunate to learn from one of the greatest. I try to apply his advice in the projects I undertake today: I try to keep alive the artistic spirit of Michael Jackson. It's like if I graduated from college musical "Michael Jackson". Anyway, getting back to your question, the word "feeling" is too low. There is no word strong enough to describe what I learned and lived with the King of Pop.

Q: Do you have any anecdotes about your studio sessions?

F: Not really. I had great fun working with him. Michael was someone who loved you make funny jokes. It really spoke to any set, video games, etc.. Then resumed his work, the lesson resumed. We were amazed at its performance. It happened like that.

Q: he warmed up with a lot vocally record the song?

F: Anyone who is warm, either in sports or singing. We never saw him do his vocal exercises before us, but when he came into the studio to record, he stood before the microphone and set fire to the song. As he left, the studio was in ashes and our jaws on the floor. It was really impressive to see .

MyLuv229 said:

http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2011/01/28/Interview-exclusive r.-Freeze-fait-des-r%C3%A9v%C3%A9lations-sur-le-prochain-album.../3 233

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While many fans are very interested in appropriations for each album of Michael Jackson, some go further in their approach. Thus, four members of the forum MJFrance managed to get in touch with Elliott Straits best known under the name of Dr. Freeze, ie the producer of " Break Of Dawn "(Invincible)," A Place With No Name "or" Blue Gangsta ".

Dr. Freeze has worked in the studio with Michael Jackson and book in an exclusive interview very interesting news just for you. And enter more deeply into the secret recordings of the King of Pop when he discovered this three-part interview. Part one today titled: Dr. Freeze made revelations about the next album ...

Quagmire: I'm eager to hear how you began working with Michael Jackson and how he contacted you.

Dr. Freeze: I knew his manager, John McClain, and I was working on an album with my partners, Spydermann. After completing the album, it did not go as planned and we had to cancel the exit. I was very upset. And then John McClain said, "Do not worry Freeze. I have another project for you. I'll be in business with Michael. "I said:" Michael ... who? "and he said:" Michael Jackson! "I did not believe it at first and I thought it was crazy. And then one day I was on the phone with my father and someone called me on the other line ... and it was Michael! That's how it all began. I had some songs and I made to Michael. He adored them! Because Michael and I, we have a sound very close. So every time I proposed something, it was easy for him to study the song because it was as if he already knew. I asked him songs and he adored. He cherished them. That's how we met.

Q: Speaking of "Break Of Dawn " , which is a great song. I think that's one of the most sensual songs he has ever made and that's what I wanted to hear Michael. I do not know if you know, this is the first time he talks about making love in a song. I do not know if you had addressed this very issue with him?

F: (laughs) Yeah, thank you. It was his favorite song was his baby .

Q: Do you remember the exact number of songs that you have presented?

F: I introduced him to many songs. The main songs on which we worked are "Break Of Dawn", "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". These three songs were our priorities. "Break Of Dawn" is one of the songs that have been finalized. Others have been released later. They are kept in reserve.

Q: So you suggest songs and Michael said if you liked a particular song. As I understand, he loved every Break Of Dawn, and from there he decided to focus on this particular song. What happened next?

F: We were recording, we changed the studio, we re-register, we recorded more songs. You know, "A Place With No Name" and "Gangsta Blue" were recorded at the same time. There are also some others I can not speak for now. But other songs were recorded. We saved a lot but these three songs were our three main objectives.

Q: What was your mindset in the first day in studio with him? How did you feel?

F: It was pretty scary for me! I felt to be back in primary school and not knowing anything about the production! Michael I relearned everything. The other producers and I were as students face a teacher. With Michael, it was as if we knew nothing more to our business: we had to start over and relearn everything. He taught us to do everything the best way possible: Michael was a perfectionist and we had to start from scratch to produce the music for the best possible way. I was very nervous, very nervous but very honored! Anyway, Michael was more nervous with you than you were with him. It was simply the most wonderful people with whom you could never dream of working together. It was great! He knew all about the music industry, everything about everything, nothing was foreign to him, and he taught me a lot. Finally, he was very humble and creative. It was really great to work with him.

Q: You have therefore proposed his "Break Of Dawn", and then you had to redo the song in full by following his advice?

F: No, he just had to record vocals ... and add his magic! It was like flowers and trees grew in the song! He touched her and it became magical! I was shocked!

Q: So all the musical parts and the lyrics were made in advance?

F: Yes, he loved the song! He wanted to leave it as is! All I had done on this piece, no one had the right to change anything. Because it sounded like he had heard the first time we had a dream, a vision, and he wanted to recreate this dream in song to the last detail. He did not want to change anything, he wanted to keep the magic of the song absolutely intact. What you hear on Invincible is exactly the version I've given him before he raises his voice there.

Q: How long did it take him to record the song?

F: It took him time because he wanted a lot of momentum in the voice, especially the harmony you hear in the chorus. It took time. Process studio was as long if we was spinning film!

Q: At that time, he also worked on other songs for Invincible?

F: Yes .

Q: So he was taken to record his voice, listening to them, arranged them, started working on other songs, then returned a few days later to make additional catch?

F: Yes, it was incremental work. Sometimes he recorded the lead vocals, sometimes it was just the chorus or adlib ... He also listened to the different mixes and changed some details in here and there. He was in full creative process. We wanted song either perfect and return to my analogy on cinema he was like filmmaker seeking improve his film making evolve script or changing actors. This type of process it has used to create this song, and overall, the album Invincible .

Q: So basically, he changed a verse, started work on another song, and a few days later, he came to you to change the song again?

F: Yes. When he returned changes were made and ideas were proposed, he listened attentively. It also arose at times and arranged two or three things. Ultimately, all decisions were his. It was the boss. It was open to any criticism or suggestions beneficial to the song, as it kept its effectiveness. All that interested him was to have hits in power.

Q: Who had the idea of taking "A Horse With No Name" group America?

F: That's me. Again, I did all the music, and he only had to learn the lyrics. It was at the same time as Break Of Dawn, but it is not extended and continued to work on it later. It has improved gradually.

Q: Was it planned for the album Invincible or another project?

F: Initially it was planned for Invincible, yes. It is not out on this album and was therefore kept in reserve as "Blue Gangsta".

Q: Compared to the extract leaked on the Internet, can we expect differences mixing?

F: Yes, what you heard is an old mix. One you'll soon hear is completely new .

Q: You said "soon"? I am willing to learn more!

F: "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". will both be on the next album of Michael. "A Place With No Name" will be different from the leak on the internet, it will be updated. For "Blue Gangsta" I rerecorded the instrumental. So expect changes .

Q: Did you have completed this song with Michael in his lifetime?

F: Absolutely, it had been finalized .

Q: What were your feelings about Michael when you got to know a bit more in the studio?

F: It taught me not only to create a song correctly, but it also gave me advice on the music industry as a whole. My main feeling is that he was an absolute genius. I was fortunate to learn from one of the greatest. I try to apply his advice in the projects I undertake today: I try to keep alive the artistic spirit of Michael Jackson. It's like if I graduated from college musical "Michael Jackson". Anyway, getting back to your question, the word "feeling" is too low. There is no word strong enough to describe what I learned and lived with the King of Pop.

Q: Do you have any anecdotes about your studio sessions?

F: Not really. I had great fun working with him. Michael was someone who loved you make funny jokes. It really spoke to any set, video games, etc.. Then resumed his work, the lesson resumed. We were amazed at its performance. It happened like that.

Q: he warmed up with a lot vocally record the song?

F: Anyone who is warm, either in sports or singing. We never saw him do his vocal exercises before us, but when he came into the studio to record, he stood before the microphone and set fire to the song. As he left, the studio was in ashes and our jaws on the floor. It was really impressive to see .

So when is this new album coming out, or were these tracks supposed to be on "Michael"

Marrk said:

I believe 'Love's Never Felt So Good' has leaked in great quality fairly recently. for those unaware.

I heard it and it's been on repeat. Kind of reminds me of that that sweet Motown sound. I love Michael's voice on these types of songs. And in the end when he talks and says "alright.. that's fine, that's it" I wonder when it was recorded...

[Edited 1/29/11 20:47pm]