Swa said:

kibbles said:

hmmm... i remember from the mj trial that lopez refused to testify for the defense, even though he had had similar issues with the grifting behavior of the arviso family. he was a witness for the prosecution, i'm pretty sure. yet here he is all up in prince's face.

Yeah I had the same issue with that shot. Though, that said, Lopez's time in the witness box did end up helping the defence through the cross examination when he admitted he thought they stole money from him, and even stole his wallet at one point.

I just realized that Prince turns 14 next month. That's right ppl, 14!

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Katherine, Katherine, Katherine...

You know what I take issue with when it comes to the family: they go after the wrong shit. They put up such a big fuss about the executors being shady, releasing press statements yet didn't say a word about Ian Halperin and his book, Mark Lester and Arnold Klien trying to imply their Prince and Paris' biological father, Quincy Jones talking shit, or even Joe's dumbass lawyer Brian Oxman ALWAYS saying dumb shit

but some of them are quick to talk about "where the money's going"

C'MON SON

and WHERE THE FUCK IS JANET OR RANDY SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR MOTHER REALIZE SHE'S BEING SCAMMED?

kibbles said:

bboy87 said:

You know what I take issue with when it comes to the family: they go after the wrong shit. They put up such a big fuss about the executors being shady, releasing press statements yet didn't say a word about Ian Halperin and his book, Mark Lester and Arnold Klien trying to imply their Prince and Paris' biological father, Quincy Jones talking shit, or even Joe's dumbass lawyer Brian Oxman ALWAYS saying dumb shit

but some of them are quick to talk about "where the money's going"

C'MON SON

and WHERE THE FUCK IS JANET OR RANDY SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR MOTHER REALIZE SHE'S BEING SCAMMED?

if randy, janet or any of them cared about their mother, this wouldn't be happening. is it any wonder why mj made sure his mother would be taken care of if anything happened to him? he knew that if he didn't do it, no one would. the court approved $27K for kat's monthly expenses, and she says she was used to getting $60K before mj died. couldn't janet make up the difference now? she could kick her mom $33K. but she won't. they all know their mom is being scammed and used, but they don't care if the estate spends money that should be used to pay off mj's debts in lawyers' fees instead, cleaning up kat's mess (including that shit with the bro/sis/cousins). after all, mj didn't leave them anything, and they don't care if mj's kids don't get as much inheritance as they should; i doubt most of the family thinks the kids are even his. so what if it takes branca and mcclain years and years to pay off mj's debts? the rest of the family has no skin in this game. in the meantime, mann is kicking kat a few bucks, she can kick it to the other brothers or their kids, or whatever she's doing with it. she's going to side with mann in this and at some point the estate will have to sue her, too. this is not going to be pretty. it's very easy now to see the level of greed and envy that mj was dealing with. his life really wasn't his own from the moment joe and kat realized he was their ticket out of gary.

Disturbing, isn't it?

MJ/Estate has earned $250M in last year alone!

Michael Jackson: Secret Business Genius?

"In 2010 Michael Jackson earned $275 million — more than Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Madonna and Jay-Z combined — despite the fact that he was no longer alive.

Though much of that total can be attributed to the swell of nostalgia that boosted sales of all things Michael in the months following the King of Pop’s death, a sizable part is the product of his underrated business acumen.

To be sure, Jackson’s spending habits could put a Russian oligarch to shame. He blew the profits from sales of 750 million records on extravagances ranging from $10,000-a-night hotel stays to the construction and upkeep of his sprawling Neverland Ranch. Keeping money was not one of Jackson’s strong suits. But piling up stacks of it — and finding unusual ways to ensure that more would follow — was one of his many talents.

Today, the Jackson estate and Sony share ownership of the catalog, which now boasts half a million songs including titles by Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Eminem and other artists. Insiders place the catalog’s value somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 billion, based on estimated proceeds of $50 million to $100 million per year. The estimate marks a 3,000% increase in value from the catalog’s initial purchase price — better than the 1,650% return on Class A shares of Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway since 1990.

So how much of Jackson’s know-how was actually his own, and how much belonged to his advisers?

“I think it was a combination of both,” says entertainment attorney Donald David. “Predominantly it was his own business sense … I once sat and talked to him for over an hour and he just knew the music business front to back. And he had good instincts. He had really good instincts.”

The eccentric and often absent-minded demeanor that Jackson exuded gave little indication of the mind on the inside.

“He was not the kind of person people portrayed him to be,” David explains. “He would play the game and use that high squeaky voice. Underneath it all, he was a very intelligent, very savvy individual, one of the smartest artists I’ve ever dealt with.”

Read the whole story:
http://blogs.forbes.com/z...ner=fbwall

Michael and his love for children...I love this painting. He really belongs...

SherryJackson said:

Michael and his love for children...I love this painting. He really belongs...

I'm a huge MJ fan, but I really can't take stuff like this. I mean, look at this.

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Lopez and a Karcrapian. How nice.

Timmy84 said:

Lopez and a Karcrapian. How nice.

I know right? Khloe kinda looks like Lisa Marie in that pic.

Btw has anybody seen this? Looks pretty cool! Wonder how much it will end up selling for.

http://www.natedsanders.c...emID=32262

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Lopez and a Karcrapian. How nice.

I know right? Khloe kinda looks like Lisa Marie in that pic.

Btw has anybody seen this? Looks pretty cool! Wonder how much it will end up selling for.

http://www.natedsanders.c...emID=32262

That's a nice one. It'll probably be a top seller.

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I know right? Khloe kinda looks like Lisa Marie in that pic.

Btw has anybody seen this? Looks pretty cool! Wonder how much it will end up selling for.

http://www.natedsanders.c...emID=32262

That's a nice one. It'll probably be a top seller.

Yep, they should make a nice chunk of change on this one.

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

That's a nice one. It'll probably be a top seller.

Yep, they should make a nice chunk of change on this one.

Especially since HE signed it.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SherryJackson said:

Michael and his love for children...I love this painting. He really belongs...

I'm a huge MJ fan, but I really can't take stuff like this. I mean, look at this.

Why not? It's just a painting...

smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm a huge MJ fan, but I really can't take stuff like this. I mean, look at this.

I think that everyone's fandom or perception of MJ is different and if some people want to express that in an artistic manner, then I have no problem with it really. Just as some people want to paint him as someone who was an evil asshole or manipulative pedo, that is fine with me as well. None of these are reflections of MJ in any way, but rather reflections of the people who create the artwork. At the same time, I know that my interpretation of the artwork doesn't reflect the artist, but reflects me, the interpreter. I evaluate and critique the work based on that train of thought rather than whether or not their perception of MJ matches my own or even if I agree with the piece.

I believe it's something personal and I appreciate that they are willing to share that with the rest of the world knowing that they could be met with praise or insults.

Also, it's just a painting. At best, it's just some paint on a canvas. There's really nothing more to it than that.

kibbles said:

bboy87 said:

You know what I take issue with when it comes to the family: they go after the wrong shit. They put up such a big fuss about the executors being shady, releasing press statements yet didn't say a word about Ian Halperin and his book, Mark Lester and Arnold Klien trying to imply their Prince and Paris' biological father, Quincy Jones talking shit, or even Joe's dumbass lawyer Brian Oxman ALWAYS saying dumb shit

but some of them are quick to talk about "where the money's going"

C'MON SON

and WHERE THE FUCK IS JANET OR RANDY SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR MOTHER REALIZE SHE'S BEING SCAMMED?

if randy, janet or any of them cared about their mother, this wouldn't be happening. is it any wonder why mj made sure his mother would be taken care of if anything happened to him? he knew that if he didn't do it, no one would. the court approved $27K for kat's monthly expenses, and she says she was used to getting $60K before mj died. couldn't janet make up the difference now? she could kick her mom $33K. but she won't. they all know their mom is being scammed and used, but they don't care if the estate spends money that should be used to pay off mj's debts in lawyers' fees instead, cleaning up kat's mess (including that shit with the bro/sis/cousins). after all, mj didn't leave them anything, and they don't care if mj's kids don't get as much inheritance as they should; i doubt most of the family thinks the kids are even his. so what if it takes branca and mcclain years and years to pay off mj's debts? the rest of the family has no skin in this game. in the meantime, mann is kicking kat a few bucks, she can kick it to the other brothers or their kids, or whatever she's doing with it. she's going to side with mann in this and at some point the estate will have to sue her, too. this is not going to be pretty. it's very easy now to see the level of greed and envy that mj was dealing with. his life really wasn't his own from the moment joe and kat realized he was their ticket out of gary.

You´re right. Poor Mike and his babies.

babybugz said:

That’s cool prince was at the lakers game just hopefully he don’t turn into those attention whoring celeb kids like Diddy sons.

So far, he doesn´t seem to be like that. Let´s hope he stays that way.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Katherine, Katherine, Katherine...

You know what I take issue with when it comes to the family: they go after the wrong shit. They put up such a big fuss about the executors being shady, releasing press statements yet didn't say a word about Ian Halperin and his book, Mark Lester and Arnold Klien trying to imply their Prince and Paris' biological father, Quincy Jones talking shit, or even Joe's dumbass lawyer Brian Oxman ALWAYS saying dumb shit

but some of them are quick to talk about "where the money's going"

C'MON SON

and WHERE THE FUCK IS JANET OR RANDY SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR MOTHER REALIZE SHE'S BEING SCAMMED?

Yeah.

I'm depressed again over him though I also believe the real thing I'm depressed about is an emotional void that I was trying to fill by distracting myself with him I just can't stop crying tonight after being ok for some time I can explain all the psychology behind why it's happening cause I'm not stupid...but at the same time I can't snap out of.

alphastreet said:

I'm depressed again over him though I also believe the real thing I'm depressed about is an emotional void that I was trying to fill by distracting myself with him I just can't stop crying tonight after being ok for some time I can explain all the psychology behind why it's happening cause I'm not stupid...but at the same time I can't snap out of.

Feel better,Dear!

Matt Semino

Attorney and Legal Analyst

Dr. Conrad Murray Trial, a Bitter Pill to Swallow

Matt Semino, 01.26.2011

Attorney and legal analyst

Brace yourself. It's starting again. The stage has been set for another legal drama featuring the King of Pop. Dr. Conrad Murray, Michael Jackson's personal physician, was arraigned on Tuesday morning in Los Angeles Superior Court. Stating, "Your honor, I am an innocent man," Murray pled not guilty to the charge of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the star's death. Jury selection for his trial is set to commence on March 28. If convicted, the maligned doctor could face a maximum of up to four years in prison.

Can anyone bear to watch Michael Jackson be dissected yet again in the court of public opinion? Fortunately, unlike the child molestation cases, there are socially prescient issues that will be addressed by a Dr. Conrad Murray trial. Issues that have the potential to generate useful policy discourse.

Michael Jackson will now be presented by the prosecution as the victim rather than the victimizer. This trial will unfold without the star ever having to personally defend his actions or perceived predilections. Instead, the focus will be on Dr. Murray, the man who was privy to Jackson's exclusive daily life leading up to precise moments of his death. Murray's attorneys will need to explain what exactly happened on June 25, 2009. Why did Michael Jackson die and who was responsible? The tables have turned, not out of vengeance brought by "crazy" Jackson fans, but by the law seeking truth where injustice has occurred.

Confident and seeking a speedy trial, Dr. Murray's defense team has already begun to draw their Michael Jackson portrait. Predictably, they will argue that he was a demanding, drug dependent pop star who was sick, suicidal and ultimately responsible for his own fate. Inevitably, certain media outlets will jump on this characterization with stories that blur the line between honest journalism and tabloid sensationalism. Of course, some will argue that every human being, including Jackson, should be held accountable for their personal decisions, actions and even their own death. But come on now! Let's not fool ourselves into believing that mantra is really the crux of this debacle.

While there are many actors in this story, the Michael Jackson tragedy is foremost a tale of the abysmal ethical choices, disastrous professional judgment and horrendous medical practices of a trusted caretaker. Dr. Conrad Murray exploited loopholes in the system, turned a blind eye, became sloppy, tried to cover up his mistakes and then got caught. It certainly could have ended differently.

Giving Murray the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he was working in the wrong place, at the wrong time and with the wrong man. The cash and Hollywood allure though were too seductive for him to resist. Dr. Murray's reputation, livelihood and career now hang in abeyance. Even if acquitted, what he will have sorely learned is that when playing carelessly with a raging fire, you are guaranteed to get scorched.

Hired in 2009 by concert promoters AEG to serve as Michael Jackson's personal physician, Murray was paid the exorbitant sum of $150,000 a month for his position. He was charged with caring for the star and ensuring that Jackson was healthy enough to attend rigorous rehearsals as he prepared for a comeback tour. That spring, Murray promptly closed his Houston and Las Vegas medical practices and moved to Los Angeles to care for the music legend on a full-time basis at his rented Holmby Hills mansion. What eventually developed turned out to be a highly destructive patient-physician relationship.

The Los Angeles County coroner's office determined that Michael Jackson died of acute propofol poisoning. A powerful surgical anesthetic which is only to be administered in a hospital, propofol was being given to Jackson in his home as a sleep aid to combat chronic insomnia. Dr. Murray has claimed that he was unaware of Jackson's propofol use prior to accepting his post and that he eventually became concerned the star was becoming addicted to the drug.

Despite glaring red flags and against his sound professional judgment, Murray continued to administer propofol to Jackson regularly during the two months leading up to and on the day of his death. He allegedly left Jackson unattended under the influence of the drug on that fateful morning, failed to properly resuscitate the star when he stopped breathing and then delayed calling 911, all while seeking to hide evidence. When help finally arrived, Murray did not inform medics that he had ever given Jackson propofol. Negligence?

According to witness testimony from Murray's preliminary hearing, the doctor also crossed clear ethical boundaries on a number of occasions during the time period when he was caring for the star. Such testimony revealed that Murray employed tactics of blatant misrepresentation to obtain excessive amounts of propofol and other sedatives from a Las Vegas pharmacy for Michael Jackson's use. Large quantities of these drugs were later found in Jackson's home after his death. Fraud?

If Dr. Murray believed that Michael Jackson was becoming an addict, why did he continue to administer potentially harmful and addictive drugs? If Dr. Murray was so concerned for Jackson's welfare, why didn't he proactively seek help from family members or handlers to stage an intervention on the star's behalf? Why didn't Dr. Murray just remove himself as Michael Jackson's physician? Whether or not Jackson demanded propofol, his "milk," is irrelevant in this case. Dr. Conrad Murray, a medical professional once licensed in three states, should have never given the drug to Michael Jackson.

The question of whether Murray was negligent in administering propofol to the pop icon will be the central legal issue in this case. However, this saga extends far beyond the universe of esoteric drug names, technical medical evidence and narrow interpretations of law. At its heart, it is a morality play ripe with classic, Shakespearean themes. The opiates of money and power, combined with the lust for celebrity and fame, drove a once respected member of the medical community to breach his responsibilities to his patient, his profession and ultimately to society. How did this happen?

Getting to the nut of the Dr. Conrad Murray case is going to be a dizzying affair. Enduring it though will possibly unearth a precedential jewel. Guilty or not guilty, it is highly questionable whether emotional justice will ever be served to the millions who seek it.

What can be the certain outcome of a Dr. Murray trial is that the legal system, the medical establishment and the public will begin to address some pressing policy questions. What are the acceptable parameters of the private patient-physician relationship? How can the fraudulent trafficking of potentially lethal pharmaceutical drugs be stopped? Through what institutional mechanisms can proper standards of medical professional ethics and practice be effectively enforced? Michael Jackson would undoubtedly want an element of humanity and positive social change to come from this imperfect storm. That is its simple potential.

source: http://www.huffingtonpost...14401.html

Swa said:

While there are many actors in this story, the Michael Jackson tragedy is foremost a tale of the abysmal ethical choices, disastrous professional judgment and horrendous medical practices of a trusted caretaker. Dr. Conrad Murray exploited loopholes in the system, turned a blind eye, became sloppy, tried to cover up his mistakes and then got caught. It certainly could have ended differently.

THIS 1000x. I know that he was rich and he wanted what he wanted, but, ultimately, the only one who needs to be on trial is the doctor. All of these decisions are the ones that he made on his own. He needs to be held responsible for that. Even if the MJ was an incapacitated drug addict, Conrad made some POOR decisions as a doctor. Mistake or not, he tried to cover it up instead of taking responsibility for them. That is fucked up. We trust our doctors, as patients, to make the correct and best decisions for us. What happened in that house on that day was, wholly, unacceptable, especially as a medical professional.

alphastreet said:

I'm depressed again over him though I also believe the real thing I'm depressed about is an emotional void that I was trying to fill by distracting myself with him I just can't stop crying tonight after being ok for some time I can explain all the psychology behind why it's happening cause I'm not stupid...but at the same time I can't snap out of.

Girl I feel you. Don't feel alone in this. Orgnote me if you need someone to talk to sometime.

Get better, hun

Something to cheer you all up. I love this performance.

I missed the View this morning I woke up late.

Was Maureen on there? Anybody got a clip?

musicjunky318 said:

I missed the View this morning I woke up late.

Was Maureen on there? Anybody got a clip?

My mom watched it (I was at school) and she said she's growing more disappointed in the Jackson siblings. She said Michael was an addict and that there were many interventions

bboy87 said:

musicjunky318 said:

I missed the View this morning I woke up late.

Was Maureen on there? Anybody got a clip?

My mom watched it (I was at school) and she said she's growing more disappointed in the Jackson siblings. She said Michael was an addict and that there were many interventions

Fuck you Rebb, er, excuse me, MAUREEN Jackson. No seriously fuck you. Selling your own little deceased brother down a river.

[Edited 1/27/11 16:19pm]

I found it.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

My mom watched it (I was at school) and she said she's growing more disappointed in the Jackson siblings. She said Michael was an addict and that there were many interventions

Fuck you Rebb, er, excuse me, MAUREEN Jackson. No seriously fuck you. Selling your own little deceased brother down a river.

[Edited 1/27/11 16:19pm]

I keep waiting for the dates of these so-called interventions. when did the Jackson family try knock down the Neverland gates exactly?

Janet, Rebbie and the like can fuck right off til they come with some dates and whereabouts of these so-called interventions.

Marrk said:

Timmy84 said:

Fuck you Rebb, er, excuse me, MAUREEN Jackson. No seriously fuck you. Selling your own little deceased brother down a river.

[Edited 1/27/11 16:19pm]

I keep waiting for the dates of these so-called interventions. when did the Jackson family try knock down the Neverland gates exactly?

Janet, Rebbie and the like can fuck right off til they come with some dates and whereabouts of these so-called interventions.

Exactly. Funny when Michael didn't talk to them or avoided them, they would bring this up and now he's dead, they think they can get everybody to believe their sob stories. I shook my head at Janet when she said interventions. Like really Damita Jo? You remembered? I think I tried to excuse it without realizing that she didn't know shit either.