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Militant said:

Spinlight said:

Bro, its a message board and you're getting so psychotic and hyphy about your apparent music career (lol). To add insult to your butthurt injury, you're stamping your feet and getting red in the face over people who don't give a shit that you claim to know anybody.

Guess what? The Queen of Norway called and she's really pissed off at you.

I'm not getting psychotic at all. LMFAO at you saying "apparent". Ahahahahaha. I've been touring the world since I was 16. I've headlined the MTV Awards. Songs I've written are in Hollywood movies and video games. I make my LIVING doing this shit. I'm probably half your age (judging by your pic) and I could do nothing and live well off royalties if I wanted to. What do you do? Actually fuck it, I don't care. Probably absolutely nothing interesting.

You keep saying "people", really you just mean "person". Which is you. And you keep taking pointless shots. Well guess what? Everyone can see you you're just trolling at this point. Probably because you are bored. Keep doing it. You are obviously having a great time. Keep talking to yourself like a crazy old person. Nobody is listening to you.

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Spinlight said:

BTW, you really are psychotic. Re-read all your posts in this thread. You are C R A Z Y. And a liar. lmao. Boy oh boy. It's one thing to not agree with people, but you're straight up full of shit.

Oh and btw, which MTV Awards did you headline? LMAO....... Surely not the American ones, buddy. And until you graduate to that point, I don't give a shit about your accolades in the music business. That's real talk. From one troll to another.

Oh, you're a psychotherapist now? LOL. Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep because some random guy says I'm crazy. Like 'Pac said in "Juice" - "Maybe I am crazy. But you know what else? I don't give a fuccccckkkkkk!!!!".

A liar? Now you're the one that's full of shit. I haven't lied ONCE. Not on this thread, not on this board, not on the entire damn internet. Find me one thing I've lied about.... oh wait.... you can't.

For your information.... I headlined the MTV Style Awards in Mumbai in 2005. It was broadcast all over Asia to over a million people (a larger viewership than any US ceremony). And it resulted in over half a million sales of my bands album at the time. Now THAT's real talk. What have you done in your life of any merit? Again, probably nothing, hence you trolling internet boards taking shots at people younger and infinitely more successful than you'll ever be. An american awards ceremony is a "graduation"? Because you're the center of the whole freakin' world right? And nothing that happens outside your borders is worth anything? What a surprise, you're a xenophobic bigot as well as a moron.

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I dunno what you mean by receipts, but if you wanted some more info, Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen personally picked a song we did for their movie "New York Minute" which also stars Eugene Levy, and another song we did is in EA Sports "FIFA World Cup 2006", a football/soccer game that came out all the major games consoles and PC's. There's a bunch other indie movies, TV shows and the like, but those are the two biggest grossing ones.

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

BTW, you really are psychotic. Re-read all your posts in this thread. You are C R A Z Y. And a liar. lmao. Boy oh boy. It's one thing to not agree with people, but you're straight up full of shit.

Oh and btw, which MTV Awards did you headline? LMAO....... Surely not the American ones, buddy. And until you graduate to that point, I don't give a shit about your accolades in the music business. That's real talk. From one troll to another.

Oh, you're a psychotherapist now? LOL. Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep because some random guy says I'm crazy. Like 'Pac said in "Juice" - "Maybe I am crazy. But you know what else? I don't give a fuccccckkkkkk!!!!".

A liar? Now you're the one that's full of shit. I haven't lied ONCE. Not on this thread, not on this board, not on the entire damn internet. Find me one thing I've lied about.... oh wait.... you can't.

For your information.... I headlined the MTV Style Awards in Mumbai in 2005. It was broadcast all over Asia to over a million people (a larger viewership than any US ceremony). And it resulted in over half a million sales of my bands album at the time. Now THAT's real talk. What have you done in your life of any merit? Again, probably nothing, hence you trolling internet boards taking shots at people younger and infinitely more successful than you'll ever be. An american awards ceremony is a "graduation"? Because you're the center of the whole freakin' world right? And nothing that happens outside your borders is worth anything? What a surprise, you're a xenophobic bigot as well as a moron.

Why do you keep bringing up your career?!?! LMAO.... You and Christina Aguilera might not share friends, apparently, but you share similar career downturns.

Now, if you are QUITE done with diddling yourself all over this thread, PLEASE just sit in your seat and be a damn Britney fan. Nobody fucking cares that much and then you come up in here with your big puffed up chest with your MTV India shit whilst living in the UK, talkin bout what's influential in the fucking US (yet you don't even acknowledge Robyn or Roisin who are way more popular in Europe than over here).

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trueiopian said:

Militant said:

I'm not getting psychotic at all. LMFAO at you saying "apparent". Ahahahahaha. I've been touring the world since I was 16. I've headlined the MTV Awards. Songs I've written are in Hollywood movies and video games. I make my LIVING doing this shit. I'm probably half your age (judging by your pic) and I could do nothing and live well off royalties if I wanted to. What do you do? Actually fuck it, I don't care. Probably absolutely nothing interesting.

You keep saying "people", really you just mean "person". Which is you. And you keep taking pointless shots. Well guess what? Everyone can see you you're just trolling at this point. Probably because you are bored. Keep doing it. You are obviously having a great time. Keep talking to yourself like a crazy old person. Nobody is listening to you.

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Young lady, what I have told you about instigating shit?

writes tru up for the 8th time

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Spinlight said:

Why do you keep bringing up your career?!?! LMAO.... You and Christina Aguilera might not share friends, apparently, but you share similar career downturns.

Now, if you are QUITE done with diddling yourself all over this thread, PLEASE just sit in your seat and be a damn Britney fan. Nobody fucking cares that much and then you come up in here with your big puffed up chest with your MTV India shit whilst living in the UK, talkin bout what's influential in the fucking US (yet you don't even acknowledge Robyn or Roisin who are way more popular in Europe than over here).

Actually 2009 was our most successful year to date, but believe whatever you want to.

For the record, I live half in the UK and half in the US, and will be in the US permanently by the end of the year.

And I DID acknowledge Roisin. And Robyn is in the same boat. I'd NEVER claim that Britney had that sound before those two. But again, those two girls aren't selling records. Well, Robyn is doing a little bit better with "Body Talk" now that's she's with Cherrytree. But she's obviously never gonna push Britney numbers.

I don't get to acknowledge what's influential in the US but you can acknowledge what's popular in Europe? Slightly hypocritical, no?

wonders if he should post a GIF of Gianna Michaels getting fucked from behind to take the thread off topic.......

Militant said:

trueiopian said:

I dunno what you mean by receipts, but if you wanted some more info, Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen personally picked a song we did for their movie "New York Minute" which also stars Eugene Levy, and another song we did is in EA Sports "FIFA World Cup 2006", a football/soccer game that came out all the major games consoles and PC's. There's a bunch other indie movies, TV shows and the like, but those are the two biggest grossing ones.

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bboy87 said:

wonders if he should post a GIF of Gianna Michaels getting fucked from behind to take the thread off topic.......

What's holding you back?

ANYTHING TO GET THIS THREAD LOCKED!

bboy87 said:

wonders if he should post a GIF of Gianna Michaels getting fucked from behind to take the thread off topic.......

I don't know who she is but that sounds entertaining. Go for it!

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Sugar Ray wasn't even hitting Marvin, the fuck!?

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Militant said:

It's not about what YOU thought was better, it's about what was more influential.

Continuum was nothing new musically. Good album but brought nothing new to the table. Furthermore it made NO noise outside of the US.

BEP? Yes, Will.I.Am is arguably one of the most influential producers of the last decade too. But he didn't start doing electro house stuff until after "Blackout". People are jocking his style now for sure though, so I'll give you some credit for that nomination, but "The E.N.D" has not been more influential than "Blackout", although it has come close.

Gwen? Nah. Same old, same old. The Neptunes did stuff like that before her album and after it. And they were already on a downward slope. The most influential stuff the Neptunes did was back in 99/2000 when they did things like Noreaga's "Superthug" and Jay-Z's "Give It To Me (I Just Wanna Love You)". THAT was when everyone was jockin their production style, not when they worked with Gwen.

Rihanna? Please. Solid pop album but no discernable new musical identity or style. I don't remember hearing a million "Umbrella" clone songs, no matter how big that song was on it's own. Again, BIG but NOT influential.

Timberlake? AHAHAAHAHAHAA. With that wannabe Prince shit, hiring NPG members? No. The album was somewhat influential, because of one person - DANJAHANDZ. Guess what else Danja did that was more influential than JT's shit? Blackout.

Winehouse - again, great pop album with a retro throwback feel. I give her some credit for being part of that retro throwback movement, but she wasn't the only one. There was about 3 other girls here in England doing the exact same thing at the exact same time. The retro sound was already in full swing by the time Amy took advantage of it. It has been somewhat influential, but not more than "Blackout". Nowhere near.

I am telling you for a FACT that anyone and everyone making comtemporary dance/pop music went back to the drawing board after hearing "Blackout". People will tell you this themselves.

People who don't like Britney seem to act as if I'm giving HER ALONE the credit for making the most influential pop album. But this is like giving Michael ALL the credit for Thriller. They are the stars and the faces, but you cannot ignore the contributions of Quincy Jones, Rod Temperton and Bruce Swedien (in Michael's case), and Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim Beanz (who did all the vocal production for both Britney and Nelly Furtado amongst others, and co-wrote "Gimme More") in Britney's case.

I've literally seen long ass discussion threads on music forums - "How to get that sound/effect that Bloodshy & Avant used on "Piece Of Me", and about a million similar threads. If you don't think people were jocking that sound HARD, the fact is, you're wrong. I work in this industry, I make electropop/dance music, I'm signed to a major label, I know a shitload of artists and producers doing the same thing, and they'll ALL tell you that "Blackout" is unquestionably the most influential record from both a songwriting and production perspective, of the last decade.

Disagree with me all you want, but this remains true.

But, she didn't write or produce any of that album, so if that's your argument in her case than it's a fail because she doesn't deserve credit just because her altered vocals, name, and photoshopped image are on this 'influential' album. They could have produced this album for any pop artist and it would have probably been just as 'influential' and 'definitive' as you say it is.

I actually got all those album choices off of this website after a google search:

http://top40.about.com/od...s2000s.htm

I honestly don't think this decade has produced anything jaw-droppingly amazing but those were the albums that I've listened to that I thought deserved to be on that list out of 40. I even liked some on the list but didn't think they should have gotten soo high and there were some that were totally excluded that I thought should have been there....like J*Davey who I think is phenomenal and very underrated.

I've met people who have worked in their professions for decades and they still don't know everything and don't always get it right, so none of that name dropping really means anything to me...sorry. Most people in the music industry obviously don't know much considering how blah music sounds these days. The popular music now is why the music industry is slowly crumbling. Most new popular music is terrible and totally a cheap copy of music that was being made 2 decades ago. Nothing in this decade is original or innovative. I've heard all this before except it was 100 times better.

Why would anyone ever give Michael Jackson all the credit for 'Thriller' unless they were obsessed fans. I don't give any of these people full credit for anything unless those album credits look like Prince's album credits. None of these people write, produce, and compose all of their material, so don't get it twisted that I'm putting them on pedastals. You said 'Blackout' was the most definitive pop album of the decade and I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all considering that most of it just sounds like watered-down techno and house music to me. It's a good pop album because even watered-down techno and house music is good but the real thing is sooo much better. It's like it wants to be techno and it's almost there and then it just...stops and goes all pop with the voice altering.

I'm not arguing with anyone that she's a success. Anyone with eyes can see she's a piece of pop culture personified. Why argue about a fact. Her 15 minutes will never be up because she's a successfully, established brand now and popular brands don't just vanish like that.

Unfortunately, I don't listen to music with my eyes so I agree with those who don't get why THIS song is hitting number one because it's not really good enough for a number one spot. The lyrics are weak and her voice is altered to the point of being almost unrecognizable at points. The only good thing about the song is the beat and even that's not amazing.; it's very good but I've heard better. If u like it, you like it; and, if others don't than why care.

What I can never understand are people who defend celebrities like they are related to them. If I like an artist, I will financially support them, but I won't make excuses for them or praise them when they don't deserve it.

Britney is the image that helps sell the music so she serves her purpose. In my opinion, her music would be just as good if someone else had recorded it. She has a catalogue of very well made pop songs that others created; and, her record label put hundreds of thousands of dollars into her image and millions into marketing that image. I'm no fan, but I will tell everyone and their mother that 'Toxic', 'Circus', and 'Piece of Me' are all phenomenal pop songs that should be on everyone's MP3 player. I even like 'Anticipated'...it's fun.

All her success doesn't change my opinion of her. I think she's a tool, just like I think many other successful artists who just sing the songs and offer nothing else to the process are tools. I loved Whitney but I have no problem admitting that she was a tool from the beginning. She never wrote, produced, or played any instruments on any of her albums yet her numbers speak for themselves. The fact that Britney's song beat 'Touch My Body' really amazes me because 'Touch My Body' was awful and I can't believe that it got that much airplay. I love Mariah but that song was utter shit (did it really get that many rotations? ) Thank God it was meant to be funny and she has a sense of humor. Bragging about a turd being the best turd ever made doesn't take away from the fact that it's still just a piece of shit. What's good isn't always popular and what's popular isn't always good...just sayin.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

wonders if he should post a GIF of Gianna Michaels getting fucked from behind to take the thread off topic.......

What's holding you back?

ANYTHING TO GET THIS THREAD LOCKED!

Getting banned

Militant said:

bboy87 said:

wonders if he should post a GIF of Gianna Michaels getting fucked from behind to take the thread off topic.......

I don't know who she is but that sounds entertaining. Go for it!

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I guess you never visited the porn threads we had in GD

estelle81 said:

But, she didn't write or produce any of that album, so if that's your argument in her case than it's a fail because she doesn't deserve credit just because her altered vocals, name, and photoshopped image are on this 'influential' album. They could have produced this album for any pop artist and it would have probably been just as 'influential' and 'definitive' as you say it is.

You said 'Blackout' was the most definitive pop album of the decade and I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all considering that most of it just sounds like watered-down techno and house music to me. It's a good pop album because even watered-down techno and house music is good but the real thing is sooo much better.

It's true that Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim could have done that album for any artist but Britney was the one that picked the songs that made the album, rejected others that were good but stylistically different to the rest, and she DID have a vision of how the album should sound and come across even though she didn't produce or write. But I do acknowledge what you're saying. What it is, is that Britney is the biggest platform for those producers and writers to showcase that sound. You do something for Britney and everyone's gonna hear it. If everyone liked it and wants to copy it, then it's influential. That's really the crux of what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's any better or worse than anything else, which is a point that some people seem to be missing. That's all subjective anyway.

I dig house and techno too, but it's not commercial, it's not mainstream for the most part. And, well, it's not pop music. Making a definitive mainstream pop album is always going to take things from more underground sources and water them down slightly. The new Britney song has dubstep sounds in it, but none of these underground dubstep producers are going to influence millions of people or have a #1 record, you see what i'm saying? Watch what happens now that Britney's done it. It'll be a dubstep bandwagon in the Billboard from this point on. Just like it's been an electro/house bandwagon ever since "Blackout", "The Fame", and "The E.N.D.". Everyone's gonna be trying to make pop songs with a dubstep influence now.

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Militant said:

estelle81 said:

But, she didn't write or produce any of that album, so if that's your argument in her case than it's a fail because she doesn't deserve credit just because her altered vocals, name, and photoshopped image are on this 'influential' album. They could have produced this album for any pop artist and it would have probably been just as 'influential' and 'definitive' as you say it is.

You said 'Blackout' was the most definitive pop album of the decade and I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all considering that most of it just sounds like watered-down techno and house music to me. It's a good pop album because even watered-down techno and house music is good but the real thing is sooo much better.

It's true that Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim could have done that album for any artist but Britney was the one that picked the songs that made the album, rejected others that were good but stylistically different to the rest, and she DID have a vision of how the album should sound and come across even though she didn't produce or write. But I do acknowledge what you're saying. What it is, is that Britney is the biggest platform for those producers and writers to showcase that sound. You do something for Britney and everyone's gonna hear it. If everyone liked it and wants to copy it, then it's influential. That's really the crux of what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's any better or worse than anything else, which is a point that some people seem to be missing. That's all subjective anyway.

I dig house and techno too, but it's not commercial, it's not mainstream for the most part. And, well, it's not pop music. Making a definitive mainstream pop album is always going to take things from more underground sources and water them down slightly. The new Britney song has dubstep sounds in it, but none of these underground dubstep producers are going to influence millions of people or have a #1 record, you see what i'm saying? Watch what happens now that Britney's done it. It'll be a dubstep bandwagon in the Billboard from this point on. Just like it's been an electro/house bandwagon ever since "Blackout", "The Fame", and "The E.N.D.". Everyone's gonna be trying to make pop songs with a dubstep influence now.

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LMAO... Lemme guess, cuz of Britney!??!?

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

What's holding you back?

ANYTHING TO GET THIS THREAD LOCKED!

Getting banned

Ohhhhhh...

Nevermind.

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Militant said:

estelle81 said:

But, she didn't write or produce any of that album, so if that's your argument in her case than it's a fail because she doesn't deserve credit just because her altered vocals, name, and photoshopped image are on this 'influential' album. They could have produced this album for any pop artist and it would have probably been just as 'influential' and 'definitive' as you say it is.

You said 'Blackout' was the most definitive pop album of the decade and I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all considering that most of it just sounds like watered-down techno and house music to me. It's a good pop album because even watered-down techno and house music is good but the real thing is sooo much better.

It's true that Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim could have done that album for any artist but Britney was the one that picked the songs that made the album, rejected others that were good but stylistically different to the rest, and she DID have a vision of how the album should sound and come across even though she didn't produce or write. But I do acknowledge what you're saying. What it is, is that Britney is the biggest platform for those producers and writers to showcase that sound. You do something for Britney and everyone's gonna hear it. If everyone liked it and wants to copy it, then it's influential. That's really the crux of what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's any better or worse than anything else, which is a point that some people seem to be missing. That's all subjective anyway.

I dig house and techno too, but it's not commercial, it's not mainstream for the most part. And, well, it's not pop music. Making a definitive mainstream pop album is always going to take things from more underground sources and water them down slightly. The new Britney song has dubstep sounds in it, but none of these underground dubstep producers are going to influence millions of people or have a #1 record, you see what i'm saying? Watch what happens now that Britney's done it. It'll be a dubstep bandwagon in the Billboard from this point on. Just like it's been an electro/house bandwagon ever since "Blackout", "The Fame", and "The E.N.D.". Everyone's gonna be trying to make pop songs with a dubstep influence now.

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If Britney put that much thought into that album, than she should have pulled a Beyonce and put her name on as much stuff as possible instead of just executive producer. I would have added 'Sexy bitch' at the end of one lyric and gotten some co-songwriter credit too. Get some co-engineer credit by saying you turned a knob that one time on 'Gimme More'. Say you designed the cover because you picked that hat...art director credit achieved. I'm serious. Get as much credit as possible is all I'm saying because almost all artists get to put the executive producer/co-executive producer title by their names nowadays so it's really nothing to brag about anymore.

You're right. Producers want to make money so whoever is the biggest name in music at that particular time they will jump on. Britney is a brand that sells and producers are smart enough to realize that and work with her. The woman has made a killing selling perfume and clothes for Kohl's so I know that's why she's able to get all these top-notch producers to work with her. She's a big payday. They're not dumb and I don't blame them. Get Money!

Yeah, house, techno, and trance are hot and I wish they were more easily accessible. It sucks to hear watered-down versions of them and then watch as some artist uses them and makes millions. I'd rather just listen to the real thing because it's soo much better. 'Dance Pop' is big now but it's really just a derivative of Disco which is really funny to me because it's so popular now but Disco was soo hated in the end. Revenge is truly a sweet thing. Personally, I love Disco and wish it would come back instead of Dance Pop coming into the forefront but that's just me. Every 'Dance Pop' song that's out now can't touch classics like 'Got To Be Real', 'Last Dance', and 'I Will Survive'. I'd rather listen to these three songs than 95% of this Dance Pop stuff. You just can't beat the originals. All my

Can someone post the gif of that vogue battle in the cafeteria with all the kids spinning and falling down?

I think that would be really appropriate for this thread!

Militant said:

estelle81 said:

But, she didn't write or produce any of that album, so if that's your argument in her case than it's a fail because she doesn't deserve credit just because her altered vocals, name, and photoshopped image are on this 'influential' album. They could have produced this album for any pop artist and it would have probably been just as 'influential' and 'definitive' as you say it is.

You said 'Blackout' was the most definitive pop album of the decade and I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all considering that most of it just sounds like watered-down techno and house music to me. It's a good pop album because even watered-down techno and house music is good but the real thing is sooo much better.

It's true that Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim could have done that album for any artist but Britney was the one that picked the songs that made the album, rejected others that were good but stylistically different to the rest, and she DID have a vision of how the album should sound and come across even though she didn't produce or write. But I do acknowledge what you're saying. What it is, is that Britney is the biggest platform for those producers and writers to showcase that sound. You do something for Britney and everyone's gonna hear it. If everyone liked it and wants to copy it, then it's influential. That's really the crux of what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's any better or worse than anything else, which is a point that some people seem to be missing. That's all subjective anyway.

I dig house and techno too, but it's not commercial, it's not mainstream for the most part. And, well, it's not pop music. Making a definitive mainstream pop album is always going to take things from more underground sources and water them down slightly. The new Britney song has dubstep sounds in it, but none of these underground dubstep producers are going to influence millions of people or have a #1 record, you see what i'm saying? Watch what happens now that Britney's done it. It'll be a dubstep bandwagon in the Billboard from this point on. Just like it's been an electro/house bandwagon ever since "Blackout", "The Fame", and "The E.N.D.". Everyone's gonna be trying to make pop songs with a dubstep influence now.

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Girrrrlll...is she paying you to big her up like this? I mean, nothing against Brit, but, come on!

SEANMAN said:

Girrrrlll...is she paying you to big her up like this? I mean, nothing against Brit, but, come on!

Strange but true. I do know that she definitely picked the songs that Danja wrote and produced (Gimme More, Break The Ice, Perfect Lover, Get Naked, Hot As Ice) and that she turned down some others (from him) that were in a different style. I also know that Pharrell submitted at least three songs to the album and she turned them all down except for 1, because she wanted to move on from relying on his work, since "Boys" and "Slave 4U" were both Neptunes produced tracks on the previous album. There were some other songs that Britney hadn't picked for the album that ended up on international editions. I believe the Japanese release had 2 or 3 extra songs, and there was also a deal in the US for the edition that was released in Target to have an extra song.

Hard as it may be to believe, she's not a COMPLETE puppet. She does have a say in what makes the album and what doesn't. She does get to pick songs herself from everything that various people submit. I'm not trying to say she's the most talented person in the world, but I really don't know why people want to take the little bit of credit that she does deserve, away from her. It's really not even that big of a deal. People seem to want to believe that she is completely incapable of making a single decision. And that's not the case at all.

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First of all, Militant - will you send me an autographed picture? I'm serious. Orgnote me.

Second, country act The Bellamy Brothers are making noises about their 1979 hit "If I Said You Had a Beautiful Body (Would You Hold it Against Me?)" being lyrically ripped off for "Hold it Against Me".

I say bupkus on that.

The Bellamy Brothers didn't write that line. It's been a pick-up line for a long, long time. Some snarky dude in a dimly lit bar wrote it probably 50 years ago.

Rock on, Britney.