Dreamer2 said:

daPrettyman said:

I don't consider myself a big Britney fan either, but Militant makes a lot of good points about the Blackout album. Notice how so many songs now sound like trax from that album. The greatest example of this is "Telephone" that Gaga made famous. Brit recorded that song during the "Blackout" era.

Like what ? ....pleazzzz.... I'm no GaGa fan but i like the fact she has talent ..... Britney Spears is an act ... like alot of act's if they stick around long enough in Pop culture they become the norm .... At least GaGa hear to put a bit of life into an out of date US pop market!

Yes the fuck you are. Your head is completely up her puss.

musicjunky318 said:

Dreamer2 said:

Like what ? ....pleazzzz.... I'm no GaGa fan but i like the fact she has talent ..... Britney Spears is an act ... like alot of act's if they stick around long enough in Pop culture they become the norm .... At least GaGa hear to put a bit of life into an out of date US pop market!

Yes the fuck you are. Your head is completely up her puss.

Hit Me Baby One More Time....... .....

Dreamer2 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Yes the fuck you are. Your head is completely up her puss.

Hit Me Baby One More Time....... .....

Dreamer2 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Yes the fuck you are. Your head is completely up her puss.

Hit Me Baby One More Time....... .....

SEANMAN said:

Dreamer2 said:

Hit Me Baby One More Time....... .....

Cinnie said:

that slogan is NOT new and it certainly isn't the Bellamy Brothers. I'm not in defense of Brit (same ol same ol regurgitated POoP) but I believe in the 70's I read that slogan as a 'best pick up line' in Cosmopolitan. It's as old as the hills. They just ridin her coattails.

daPrettyman said:

Dreamer2 said:

WTF.......? is this still the org.... WTF? are you people talking about !

My baby cousin can make beats like that.....

This is the funniest thread i've read on here for years .... like people think Britney Speares is talented ..... and she has something to do with the sound thats produced .....sh*t.....

I don't consider myself a big Britney fan either, but Militant makes a lot of good points about the Blackout album. Notice how so many songs now sound like trax from that album. The greatest example of this is "Telephone" that Gaga made famous. Brit recorded that song during the "Blackout" era.

Lady Gaga wrote Telephone FOR Britney and it was NOT during the Blackout sessions. So please........

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

Name a better, more influential pop record of the last decade than "Blackout" if you want to challenge that opinion.

Every pop producer I know was trying to figure out how to do what they did with "Gimme More", "Piece Of Me", "Break The Ice", etc. And I know a LOT of producers.

Roisin Murphy - Ruby Blue

Roisin Murphy - Overpowered

nice to see some org love for Roisin

Overpowered was, at least, the best european pop album of 2007... if it wasn't a big seller outside Europe it was due to EMI's shitty/cheap/very limited promotion...only God knows why, that album was full of potential hit singles. That album sold very well in Europe with almost no promotion outside the UK...

If Britney had released Overpowered, it would have been, probably, the biggest international blockbuster of the 00s...

[Edited 1/12/11 17:34pm]

Red said:

Cinnie said:

that slogan is NOT new and it certainly isn't the Bellamy Brothers. I'm not in defense of Brit (same ol same ol regurgitated POoP) but I believe in the 70's I read that slogan as a 'best pick up line' in Cosmopolitan. It's as old as the hills. They just ridin her coattails.

That's what I was thinking... "unless they created that pick up line" but I really doubted it

^The Brothers are just trying to get free publicity. It's a common pick up line and the song is nothing like their snoozefest.

JoeTyler said:

Spinlight said:

Roisin Murphy - Ruby Blue

Roisin Murphy - Overpowered

nice to see some org love for Roisin

Overpowered was, at least, the best european pop album of 2007... if it wasn't a big seller outside Europe it was due to EMI's shitty/cheap/very limited promotion...only God knows why, that album was full of potential hit singles. That album sold very well in Europe with almost no promotion outside the UK...

If Britney had released Overpowered, it would have been, probably, the biggest international blockbuster of the 00s...

[Edited 1/12/11 17:34pm]

I think that if Britney had released either Ruby Blue or Overpowered, it would've been a Ray of Light type situation and people would've been bending over backwards for her. As it was, in 2007, Britney was barely there for both the recording and the promo of her album. Militant might not acknowledge this, but I will! And I've been a B.Spears fan (and Gaga fan) since the first release(s). To credit Britney with Blackout's critical poignance or even its success beyond name recognition is misleading at best. Is it a great album? Absolutely. But it doesn't blaze a trail - it simply informed people who were not aware that this kind of music existed (and has since at least Moloko's Tight Sweater).

This song--yeah, I will hold it against her all right!

Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

nice to see some org love for Roisin

Overpowered was, at least, the best european pop album of 2007... if it wasn't a big seller outside Europe it was due to EMI's shitty/cheap/very limited promotion...only God knows why, that album was full of potential hit singles. That album sold very well in Europe with almost no promotion outside the UK...

If Britney had released Overpowered, it would have been, probably, the biggest international blockbuster of the 00s...

I think that if Britney had released either Ruby Blue or Overpowered, it would've been a Ray of Light type situation and people would've been bending over backwards for her. As it was, in 2007, Britney was barely there for both the recording and the promo of her album. Militant might not acknowledge this, but I will! And I've been a B.Spears fan (and Gaga fan) since the first release(s). To credit Britney with Blackout's critical poignance or even its success beyond name recognition is misleading at best. Is it a great album? Absolutely. But it doesn't blaze a trail - it simply informed people who were not aware that this kind of music existed (and has since at least Moloko's Tight Sweater).

^^^THIS^^^

0 29 BRITNEY SPEARS Hold It Against Me 1697 0 1697 16.892

+567 spins
+567 bullet
+4.573 Audience

musicjunky318 said:

0 29 BRITNEY SPEARS Hold It Against Me 1697 0 1697 16.892

+567 spins
+567 bullet
+4.573 Audience

that top20 is a friggin' DISGRACE. Just crap!

what the hell is wrong with producers, executives and "musicians"?? by comparison, 2008 and 2009 were pure gold...

^^Today's music is just pure and utter shite.

Spinlight said:

I think that if Britney had released either Ruby Blue or Overpowered, it would've been a Ray of Light type situation and people would've been bending over backwards for her. As it was, in 2007, Britney was barely there for both the recording and the promo of her album. Militant might not acknowledge this, but I will! And I've been a B.Spears fan (and Gaga fan) since the first release(s). To credit Britney with Blackout's critical poignance or even its success beyond name recognition is misleading at best. Is it a great album? Absolutely. But it doesn't blaze a trail - it simply informed people who were not aware that this kind of music existed (and has since at least Moloko's Tight Sweater).

Actually I do acknowledge that. Hence why I bigged up Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim Beanz for their roles on that album.

And taking something that's underground and pulling into into the mainstream IS blazing a trail. It's bringing something to a mass audience that had absolutely no idea that it existed, like you said. "Hold It Against Me" is blazing a trail for bringing dubstep sounds to the commercial pop market. Rihanna had some dubstep sounds on her last album but they went unnoticed, because they weren't very good songs.

Michael Jackson didn't invent the moonwalk,but he blazed a trail with it by showcasing it to millions, when previously it was just an underground street dance move.

I love Moloko and I have Roisin's solo albums too. In fact, I literally played "Let Me Know" to a number of DJ's and execs I know who were completely unaware of it. Most of those DJ's put it in their sets straight away. I sent it to radio folks I know in Canada who started playlisting it, just because I loved the song so much and didn't feel it was getting enough play. At the end of the day, you can make the most original and amazing music in the world but it doesn't matter if nobody hears it.

So let's say, for arguments sake, that Roisin influenced Danja for his production on "Blackout". "Blackout" still remains more influential because it was only after THAT that everyone else started picking up on the sound. All those people were influenced by Blackout, regardless of what it was influenced by, and regardless of whether anyone had made any music like that before or not. I've never claimed it was a completely original sound or style and I never claimed that Britney's producers invented it either. I just said it's the most influential, and I stand by that claim.

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

I think that if Britney had released either Ruby Blue or Overpowered, it would've been a Ray of Light type situation and people would've been bending over backwards for her. As it was, in 2007, Britney was barely there for both the recording and the promo of her album. Militant might not acknowledge this, but I will! And I've been a B.Spears fan (and Gaga fan) since the first release(s). To credit Britney with Blackout's critical poignance or even its success beyond name recognition is misleading at best. Is it a great album? Absolutely. But it doesn't blaze a trail - it simply informed people who were not aware that this kind of music existed (and has since at least Moloko's Tight Sweater).

Actually I do acknowledge that. Hence why I bigged up Danja, Bloodshy & Avant, and Jim Beanz for their roles on that album.

And taking something that's underground and pulling into into the mainstream IS blazing a trail. It's bringing something to a mass audience that had absolutely no idea that it existed, like you said. "Hold It Against Me" is blazing a trail for bringing dubstep sounds to the commercial pop market. Rihanna had some dubstep sounds on her last album but they went unnoticed, because they weren't very good songs.

Michael Jackson didn't invent the moonwalk,but he blazed a trail with it by showcasing it to millions, when previously it was just an underground street dance move.

I love Moloko and I have Roisin's solo albums too. In fact, I literally played "Let Me Know" to a number of DJ's and execs I know who were completely unaware of it. Most of those DJ's put it in their sets straight away. I sent it to radio folks I know in Canada who started playlisting it, just because I loved the song so much and didn't feel it was getting enough play. At the end of the day, you can make the most original and amazing music in the world but it doesn't matter if nobody hears it.

So let's say, for arguments sake, that Roisin influenced Danja for his production on "Blackout". "Blackout" still remains more influential because it was only after THAT that everyone else started picking up on the sound. All those people were influenced by Blackout, regardless of what it was influenced by, and regardless of whether anyone had made any music like that before or not. I've never claimed it was a completely original sound or style and I never claimed that Britney's producers invented it either. I just said it's the most influential, and I stand by that claim.

Nosense .... come on, let's just leave this ...Do you think Britney had anything to do with the process.....NO is the answer....

So did her producer copy a sound that was already out there... yes... big deal ...is it influential to copy a sound ? .... No is the answer...

Does not matter anyway you cut it Britney Spears is a pop oxygen theif !

Christina talks about Brit in NW Magazine.

Dreamer2 said:

Nosense .... come on, let's just leave this ...Do you think Britney had anything to do with the process.....NO is the answer....

So did her producer copy a sound that was already out there... yes... big deal ...is it influential to copy a sound ? .... No is the answer...

Does not matter anyway you cut it Britney Spears is a pop oxygen theif !

Listen up. I don't THINK anything. I know. I'm signed to a major label. I know several people that have worked on Britney's albums. I know producers that worked in both "Blackout" and "In The Zone". I know guys working on the new album. Jim Beanz, who co-wrote "Gimme More", did all the vocal production on "Blackout" and is one of Timbaland's right hand men, is signed to a record label founded by my cousin. Roy Hamilton III, who produced "Boom Boom" from "In The Zone" and several other hits like "Stutter" by Joe and Mystikal, is signed to the same management company as me. I know engineers that worked on the album, and the A&R people that brought all the team together to work on this album.

So you can TRY and TELL me things, but the difference is, YOU don't know, and --> I Do <--. So continue to live in your fantasy world, but I know the deal, and you don't. So again, you can try and tell me whatever you believe, but I know things that are facts. You are making things up to suit your random baseless opinions.

Britney did have input in the process. She picked the beats. She picked the producers. She picked the writers. She picked certain songs and turned down others. The album has a very consistent feel to it. That's because of Britney choosing to work with particular producers and writers. She's the one that wanted that sound. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong. I've heard demos that didn't make the album. Some of them are great songs, but Britney turned them down because sonically they didn't fit with the rest of the album.

It's not as simple as "producers copying a sound". The fact remains that nobody in the mainstream contemporary pop market in the US was making tracks with that sound before "Blackout", and about a MILLION people were after "Blackout" and BECAUSE of "Blackout". That is what the term influential means. The album influenced people. It doesn't matter if they didn't invent it. I've explained this. Would you try and tell Jam & Lewis they aren't influential? Because everybody here knows that when they started producing other artists, they were straight up ripping Prince's production style. It doesn't matter at all that they didn't invent that sound.

But carry on being a troll, an obvious hater, and continue to try and tell me things about people that I know and that you don't. I can do exactly the same thing. Your friends are all drug addicts and hookers. I don't know them, but I'll just tell you that because it's what I WANT to believe. That's exactly what you're doing.

Militant said:

Dreamer2 said:

Nosense .... come on, let's just leave this ...Do you think Britney had anything to do with the process.....NO is the answer....

So did her producer copy a sound that was already out there... yes... big deal ...is it influential to copy a sound ? .... No is the answer...

Does not matter anyway you cut it Britney Spears is a pop oxygen theif !

Listen up. I don't THINK anything. I know. I'm signed to a major label. I know several people that have worked on Britney's albums. I know producers that worked in both "Blackout" and "In The Zone". I know guys working on the new album. Jim Beanz, who co-wrote "Gimme More", did all the vocal production on "Blackout" and is one of Timbaland's right hand men, is signed to a record label founded by my cousin. Roy Hamilton III, who produced "Boom Boom" from "In The Zone" and several other hits like "Stutter" by Joe and Mystikal, is signed to the same management company as me. I know engineers that worked on the album, and the A&R people that brought all the team together to work on this album.

So you can TRY and TELL me things, but the difference is, YOU don't know, and --> I Do <--. So continue to live in your fantasy world, but I know the deal, and you don't. So again, you can try and tell me whatever you believe, but I know things that are facts. You are making things up to suit your random baseless opinions.

Britney did have input in the process. She picked the beats. She picked the producers. She picked the writers. She picked certain songs and turned down others. The album has a very consistent feel to it. That's because of Britney choosing to work with particular producers and writers. She's the one that wanted that sound. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong. I've heard demos that didn't make the album. Some of them are great songs, but Britney turned them down because sonically they didn't fit with the rest of the album.

It's not as simple as "producers copying a sound". The fact remains that nobody in the mainstream contemporary pop market in the US was making tracks with that sound before "Blackout", and about a MILLION people were after "Blackout" and BECAUSE of "Blackout". That is what the term influential means. The album influenced people. It doesn't matter if they didn't invent it. I've explained this. Would you try and tell Jam & Lewis they aren't influential? Because everybody here knows that when they started producing other artists, they were straight up ripping Prince's production style. It doesn't matter at all that they didn't invent that sound.

But carry on being a troll, an obvious hater, and continue to try and tell me things about people that I know and that you don't. I can do exactly the same thing. Your friends are all drug addicts and hookers. I don't know them, but I'll just tell you that because it's what I WANT to believe. That's exactly what you're doing.

Why do you tend to find such difficulty whilst posting on the org? Your point always seems to get lost in the act of you jacking yourself off about an alleged music career. I guarantee you that your career doesn't negate other people's opinions on influence and originality.

And that's what this is. Your post. An opinion. There is no right or wrong - it is subjective because you don't know. That's right. ----> YOU <---- don't know.

Alright, another #1 has basically been confirmed. This is from Billboard:

Industry Sources: Hold It Against Me Sales set to exceed 400,000


Bruno Mars circles back to the top of the Billboard Hot 100, as "Grenade" once again replaces Katy Perry's "Firework" at No. 1 (1-2).

"Grenade" supplanted "Firework" two weeks ago, only to have Perry's track reclaim the chart's lead spot for a fourth cumulative frame on last week's ranking. It is the first time two songs have alternated holds at No. 1 over four weeks since "Live Your Life" by T.I. featuring Rihanna traded spots with Beyonce's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring On It)" in December 2008. Mars' track sits atop Digital Songs for a fourth straight week with 275,000 downloads (down 35%), according to Nielsen SoundScan, as the post-holiday glow has finally worn off the digital download market with total sales dipping by 29% this week.

Threatening the reign of Mars' "Grenade" or the return of Perry's "Firework" to No. 1 next week will be the arrival of Britney Spears' "Hold It Against Me," which was released near-simultaneously at radio (Jan. 10) and exclusively at iTunes (Jan. 11). With airplay off to a blazing start and track sales set to exceed 400,000 according to industry sources, a second No. 1 debut for the pop starlet is likely. She previously started at the summit with "3" on the chart dated October 24, 2009.

Back to this week's top 10, "What's My Name" by Rihanna featuring Drake, which topped the chart for a week in November, is on the upswing (4-3) while grabbing the Airplay Gainer trophy for a seventh time in the past 11 weeks. The title has now topped Radio Songs for four straight weeks. Rihanna's prior single, "Only Girl (In the World)," meanwhile, returns to the top 10 (12-10) after two weeks outside the upper tier. The song has spent 15 of its 18 chart weeks in the top 10.

Ke$ha's "We R Who We R" slides 3-4 while P!nk's "Raise Your Glass" stays still at No. 5. P!nk's new single "F**kin' Perfect" sprints back onto the chart at No. 57 as top 40 radio play for the track (No. 29 debut on Pop Songs) prompts an 85% digital spike to 36,000, 42% of which are of the radio-friendly edited version.

Enrique Iglesias holds at No. 6 with "Tonight (I'm Lovin' You)," featuring Ludacris & DJ Frank E. Wiz Khalifa and the Black Eyed Peas swap spots as the former's "Black and Yellow" improves 8-7 and the latter's "The Time (Dirty Bit)" is bumped 7-8, one placement above Bruno Mars' "Just the Way You Are" (9-9).

Flo Rida's "Who Dat Girl," featuring Akon, is the top Digital Gainer, rising 53-39. The track is the only title that was on the 75-position Digital Songs chart a week ago to post a sales increase this frame (up 6% to 63,000). The only other actual increases on Digital Songs come from debuts and re-entries.

Gwyneth Paltrow charts a third title on the Hot 100 with "Country Strong," the title track from the motion picture in which she stars, which is the top debut at No. 81. She previously placed two tracks on the list in December from her guest starring turn on "Glee." Paltrow is now not too far behind hubby Chris Martin, who's appeared 10 times on the Hot 100 (nine with Coldplay) since 2001.

The only other new titles on this week's list belong to country newcomer Sunny Sweeney, who opens at No. 96 with "From a Table Away," a current top 20 title on Country Songs (No. 16), and Travis Porter who enters at No. 100 with "Make It Rain."

http://www.billboard.com/...0-no-1-rot

[Edited 1/13/11 8:47am]

Spinlight said:

And that's what this is. Your post. An opinion. There is no right or wrong - it is subjective because you don't know. That's right. ----> YOU <---- don't know.

Way to miss the point. I was responding to the part - "Do you think Britney had anything to do with the process... NO is the answer"

Well, as stated - the answer is not no. The answer is yes. I know that the answer is yes. Because I talk to people WHO WERE THERE AND INVOLVED.

This part is separate from the part about influence. It's really not that hard to understand.

I've never tried to claim my career "negates opinions". It simply provides facts. Which are what are needed in a debate like this. Obviously. Facts > Speculation.

Militant said:

Dreamer2 said:

Nosense .... come on, let's just leave this ...Do you think Britney had anything to do with the process.....NO is the answer....

So did her producer copy a sound that was already out there... yes... big deal ...is it influential to copy a sound ? .... No is the answer...

Does not matter anyway you cut it Britney Spears is a pop oxygen theif !

Listen up. I don't THINK anything. I know. I'm signed to a major label. I know several people that have worked on Britney's albums. I know producers that worked in both "Blackout" and "In The Zone". I know guys working on the new album. Jim Beanz, who co-wrote "Gimme More", did all the vocal production on "Blackout" and is one of Timbaland's right hand men, is signed to a record label founded by my cousin. Roy Hamilton III, who produced "Boom Boom" from "In The Zone" and several other hits like "Stutter" by Joe and Mystikal, is signed to the same management company as me. I know engineers that worked on the album, and the A&R people that brought all the team together to work on this album.

So you can TRY and TELL me things, but the difference is, YOU don't know, and --> I Do <--. So continue to live in your fantasy world, but I know the deal, and you don't. So again, you can try and tell me whatever you believe, but I know things that are facts. You are making things up to suit your random baseless opinions.

Britney did have input in the process. She picked the beats. She picked the producers. She picked the writers. She picked certain songs and turned down others. The album has a very consistent feel to it. That's because of Britney choosing to work with particular producers and writers. She's the one that wanted that sound. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong. I've heard demos that didn't make the album. Some of them are great songs, but Britney turned them down because sonically they didn't fit with the rest of the album.

It's not as simple as "producers copying a sound". The fact remains that nobody in the mainstream contemporary pop market in the US was making tracks with that sound before "Blackout", and about a MILLION people were after "Blackout" and BECAUSE of "Blackout". That is what the term influential means. The album influenced people. It doesn't matter if they didn't invent it. I've explained this. Would you try and tell Jam & Lewis they aren't influential? Because everybody here knows that when they started producing other artists, they were straight up ripping Prince's production style. It doesn't matter at all that they didn't invent that sound.

But carry on being a troll, an obvious hater, and continue to try and tell me things about people that I know and that you don't. I can do exactly the same thing. Your friends are all drug addicts and hookers. I don't know them, but I'll just tell you that because it's what I WANT to believe. That's exactly what you're doing.

Yeah she also picked what she wanted for lunch, what time to go home, her outfit for the day......please...

the more you try to push the point the more it sounds silly, Britney Spears is not an artist, singer or even a good dancer .... she's white and looks good in a school girl uniform...! ...nuff said..

Media hype can't change that!

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

And that's what this is. Your post. An opinion. There is no right or wrong - it is subjective because you don't know. That's right. ----> YOU <---- don't know.

Way to miss the point. I was responding to the part - "Do you think Britney had anything to do with the process... NO is the answer"

Well, as stated - the answer is not no. The answer is yes. I know that the answer is yes. Because I talk to people WHO WERE THERE AND INVOLVED.

This part is separate from the part about influence. It's really not that hard to understand.

I've never tried to claim my career "negates opinions". It simply provides facts. Which are what are needed in a debate like this. Obviously. Facts > Speculation.

lmao, Your career doesn't provide facts because there's no proof. Simply put. And people have learned to not trust you.

Furthermore, the fact Britney had little to do with the recording is well-known.

Ok everybody listen up... Even though expectations are for Hold It Against Me to debut @ #1 we still have work to do.

We want longevity on the Hot 100. Maybe even multiple stays at the top.

Keep buying on I-tunes, keep requesting on radio...We want a SMASHING first week.

[Edited 1/13/11 12:27pm]

Ahhh shitttt.

Spinlight said:

lmao, Your career doesn't provide facts because there's no proof. Simply put. And people have learned to not trust you.

Furthermore, the fact Britney had little to do with the recording is well-known.

Well known by who? Britney haters? Because it sure as hell ain't "well known" by people who actually worked on the album. Go ask them yourself. Oh wait.... you can't. And I'm not about to pull out my phone and dial them up like "Hey, some random guy on prince.org doesn't think Britney had anything to do with the process of making Blackout". Bitch please. Get off that "people have learned not to trust you". Which people? You still butthurt because Prince didn't release 20TEN Deluxe or something? Wake the fuck up. "People have learned" LMFAO. You funny as hell. People, meaning YOU? Great, I'm so concerned about that.

Actually, people here who TALK to me off the forum, many of whom have posted in this thread, DO trust me. If there people who don't, I guarantee they are people that I've never had a single conversation with outside of this board. So it means nothing.

An overproduced Mess , and it's really bewildering that it's number one...

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

lmao, Your career doesn't provide facts because there's no proof. Simply put. And people have learned to not trust you.

Furthermore, the fact Britney had little to do with the recording is well-known.

Well known by who? Britney haters? Because it sure as hell ain't "well known" by people who actually worked on the album. Go ask them yourself. Oh wait.... you can't. And I'm not about to pull out my phone and dial them up like "Hey, some random guy on prince.org doesn't think Britney had anything to do with the process of making Blackout". Bitch please. Get off that "people have learned not to trust you". Which people? You still butthurt because Prince didn't release 20TEN Deluxe or something? Wake the fuck up. "People have learned" LMFAO. You funny as hell. People, meaning YOU? Great, I'm so concerned about that.

Actually, people here who TALK to me off the forum, many of whom have posted in this thread, DO trust me. If there people who don't, I guarantee they are people that I've never had a single conversation with outside of this board. So it means nothing.

Militant just avoid the pressed. Britney's fuckin it up so bad right now I can't even see straight. The bitch is #1 in 19 countries.

And still some are convinced that she's "over"?