Cerebus said:

rmartin70 said:

I wish I would have made it to DOTG 91, that lineup looks great. I did catch Soundgarden at Lollapalooza 92 with The Red Hot Chili Peppers headlining. The only bad thing about Metallica at DOTG 92 was that James was not playing guitar, the tech took over duties after James got burned a few weeks before.

I would have to say my most memorable show from that time was New Years Eve 1991 at the Cowpalace. The lineup was Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and The Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Ha! You answered my question before I even asked it. Yeah, SEEING John play those parts was weird, but the sound of it really wasn't any big deal. Still sounded like Metallica.

I was also at that Lolla! That was a GREAT show! Did you have a seat or were you on the grassy knoll? I was doin' the grassy gnoll that day, but I'm not sure we ever stopped moving around for any period longer than a performer's set (and usually not even that long).

Big regret not going to that NYE show, but only because I would have loved to see Nirvana. I'm a big fand of PJ and the Chili Peppers, but I've seen them more than enough times. I definitely missed out on seeing Nirvana. I went to three of the four New Years shows the Dead played at the Oakland Arena instead (also caught all four of the late Oct shows that year). Those were their first shows after the Bill Graham memorial so things were still pretty weird. Bill had always been a huge part of their NYE celebrations and things just weren't the same without him. In 92 they threw in the towel and didn't do any shows at New Years for the first time since 76.

I was on the grassy knoll too, do you remember the people jumping off the towers during Ministry's set. Man, that must have hurt. It looked like they were landing on peoples fists because the whole crowd had them up in the air.

Did you catch any of the acts on the side stage? Wikipedia says that TOOL played it that year and I would hate to think I missed that. I did not see TOOl until 2001 but I have seen them 12 times since. They are the best live act around IMO, besides Prince. I did see Porno For Pyros on the side stage which was cool. Supposedly it was their first or second show ever.

Gunsnhalen said:

I love the Black Album to!, once Load & Reload was released=? i tuned out lol

I couldn't get past S&M. A lot of people think that release is great - it doesn't work for me. Simple and forced orchestration is definitely a big part of the problem. I just don't think strings and Metallica belonged together to begin with.

I loved Garage Inc as it collected a lot of stuff I wanted on CD (only had it previously on cassette or vinyl), but they started down a suspect path on that release (covering Bob Seger? ). By the time Load was released I was prepared for some wacky bs and I still ended up hating most of it. To this day I have still never purchased Re-Load.

I like most of St Anger and nearly all of Death Magnetic, though. SA is a bit weak production wise, so I'm glad they moved on from Bob Rock. And DM is a bit weak on the lyrics. It's hard to keep writing those kind of songs when you haven't really had anything to be mad about in 15 years.

rmartin70 said:

Cerebus said:

Ha! You answered my question before I even asked it. Yeah, SEEING John play those parts was weird, but the sound of it really wasn't any big deal. Still sounded like Metallica.

I was also at that Lolla! That was a GREAT show! Did you have a seat or were you on the grassy knoll? I was doin' the grassy gnoll that day, but I'm not sure we ever stopped moving around for any period longer than a performer's set (and usually not even that long).

Big regret not going to that NYE show, but only because I would have loved to see Nirvana. I'm a big fand of PJ and the Chili Peppers, but I've seen them more than enough times. I definitely missed out on seeing Nirvana. I went to three of the four New Years shows the Dead played at the Oakland Arena instead (also caught all four of the late Oct shows that year). Those were their first shows after the Bill Graham memorial so things were still pretty weird. Bill had always been a huge part of their NYE celebrations and things just weren't the same without him. In 92 they threw in the towel and didn't do any shows at New Years for the first time since 76.

I was on the grassy knoll too, do you remember the people jumping off the towers during Ministry's set. Man, that must have hurt. It looked like they were landing on peoples fists because the whole crowd had them up in the air.

Did you catch any of the acts on the side stage? Wikipedia says that TOOL played it that year and I would hate to think I missed that. I did not see TOOl until 2001 but I have seen them 12 times since. They are the best live act around IMO, besides Prince. I did see Porno For Pyros on the side stage which was cool. Supposedly it was their first or second show ever.

I don't remember people jumping off the towers! What? Like back on to the grassy gnoll? That's nuts! But, umm, I REALLY loved Ministry back then so I was probably one of the people going ape shit myself.

I'm going to be honest and say I don't remember Tool being their, either. But a TON of people will tell you that they first saw them on that tour. I think most of them are liars. If you think about it, though, about their songs and how different they would have been back then, I'm sure a lot of people would have just kept on going if they saw them playing in the middle of the afternoon.

As far as them now, I love their music, but their live show doesn't really move me. They sound great, and the visuals are great. But it's really just (mostly) near album perfect renditions of their songs and they barely move. Plus, it's kind of been that way for a while now. It's like heavy metal performance art. They are great and I look forward to a new album, but I'm never overly excited by an announcement of a tour. I should probably give them another chance live.

Yeah, they were jumping off the towers on the lawn.

I have heard those complaints before about TOOL. I really love their music and the fact that they can pull off perfect renditions of such complex songs amazes me. Danny Carey is one of the best drummers I have ever seen. It is true they don't move much, Maynard does not even come off his riser. When was the last time you saw TOOL. I saw them twice last summer and the new HD screens they have were incredible. They must have one of the best sound guys in the business because they always sound better than other acts. To each his own , I guess.

They are due for a new album this year since it has been 5 years and that seems to be the amount of time between releases. They will probably add more dates to their tour and you should check them out if you have not seen them in awhile.

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Gunsnhalen said:

Cerebus said:

Hey, was John Marshall still playing rhythm guitar for Metallica at that Day on the Green? That's what my memory is telling me, but I may be getting shows confused again. It happens fairly often.

Ahh, memories. I could post damn near every video on YouTube from these years because I like almost all of 'em. The end of And Justice For All when the statue blew apart (OK, was pulled apart ) and the lighting rig came down, then the piece swung free, shooot! That was at the end of a 2 hour ass kicking and I distinctly remember it as being the first time I was completely lost in the moment at a concert. Like, literally forgot where I was and what I was doing. I had given myself over and was just another part of the mass of maniacal, screaming Metallica fans. Sure wish they'd been able to hold on to that magic after 92, but it's just not there (for me) anymore.

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I love the Black Album to!, once Load & Reload was released=? i tuned out lol

Ahhh Classic Metallica!!! AJFA was their critical and "commericial" (for lack of better term) CD. My all-time fav btw. Black Album was great too.

Cerebus said:

rmartin70 said:

I was on the grassy knoll too, do you remember the people jumping off the towers during Ministry's set. Man, that must have hurt. It looked like they were landing on peoples fists because the whole crowd had them up in the air.

Did you catch any of the acts on the side stage? Wikipedia says that TOOL played it that year and I would hate to think I missed that. I did not see TOOl until 2001 but I have seen them 12 times since. They are the best live act around IMO, besides Prince. I did see Porno For Pyros on the side stage which was cool. Supposedly it was their first or second show ever.

I don't remember people jumping off the towers! What? Like back on to the grassy gnoll? That's nuts! But, umm, I REALLY loved Ministry back then so I was probably one of the people going ape shit myself.

I'm going to be honest and say I don't remember Tool being their, either. But a TON of people will tell you that they first saw them on that tour. I think most of them are liars. If you think about it, though, about their songs and how different they would have been back then, I'm sure a lot of people would have just kept on going if they saw them playing in the middle of the afternoon.

As far as them now, I love their music, but their live show doesn't really move me. They sound great, and the visuals are great. But it's really just (mostly) near album perfect renditions of their songs and they barely move. Plus, it's kind of been that way for a while now. It's like heavy metal performance art. They are great and I look forward to a new album, but I'm never overly excited by an announcement of a tour. I should probably give them another chance live.

Ministry is a great band but i only checked out there first few albums

Btw the lead singer kind of looked like Rob Zombie in his White Zombie day's which is another band i love from that era