shorttrini said:

Timmy84 said:

No doubt it is.

That's why people watch. Once the actual talent show begins, CLICK!

I think that's due to the fact that, the actual contestants are not most people's idea of what an, American Idol, is.

Or better yet that show never had a concept on what an "idol" is anyway. None of them would've been idols in the first place, be it from the U.S. or outside of the country. The real "American Idols" have an it factor anyways which none of these "Idols" (winners, runner-ups, other contestants) have.

Harlepolis said:

sosgemini said:

ATTICA!!! ATTICA!! http://prince.org/msg/3/350077

Oh shut the hell up and quit lobbying for a mod role, I like you better now

No way, no way in hell do I want to be a mod anymore. Even I realized that all good things don't last and it's time to pass the keys to fresh blood.

Ok alot of things are at play here and alot of people are just going off because its a so called reality show star. when in "reality" the reality shows are more scripted than a sitcom, they employ just as many writers. Now not going off on reality shows, thats for another time and place. BUT are we shocked that she is cutting a single or an album whatever? Why wouldnt a label jump on her? this is no different than any other so called pop star at the moment that has plenty of "free face" time on every magazine, between Nicki Minaj and Kim i feel like this is Germany 1938 and Hitler is taking over. NEXT before we put music on this pedastol, her doing a song or Paris or Heidi Montag, its no different than a label throwing a contract at Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Bruce Willis Scott Baio or Leif fucking garrett, all those "artists" all had the same type of popularity and it was the ONLY reason they got a shot to sing, as Eddie put it once in 1985, "i woke up and said one day, i feel like singing", so spare me how is somehow better or different than a Kardashian or Montag, because he isnt one bit.

NEXT on the AI thing totally correct on de-valuation of music by letting this "public" decide anyhing, shit they elected George Bush a second time after he started a fucking meaningless war. I wouldnt trust the public to pick out a shirt, let alone who gets a record deal, HOWEVER the de-valuing of music also has to be shared with the INTERNET, shit heads on youtube who think they are Tom Hanks in their acting and can get where he has by posting a video of themselves screaming in the mirror, give me a break, the internet has dumbed down everything and everything else is just following ITS LEAD.....just ask things like Twitter and Facebook about meaningless bullshit.

lastdecember said:

Ok alot of things are at play here and alot of people are just going off because its a so called reality show star. when in "reality" the reality shows are more scripted than a sitcom, they employ just as many writers. Now not going off on reality shows, thats for another time and place. BUT are we shocked that she is cutting a single or an album whatever? Why wouldnt a label jump on her? this is no different than any other so called pop star at the moment that has plenty of "free face" time on every magazine, between Nicki Minaj and Kim i feel like this is Germany 1938 and Hitler is taking over. NEXT before we put music on this pedastol, her doing a song or Paris or Heidi Montag, its no different than a label throwing a contract at Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Bruce Willis Scott Baio or Leif fucking garrett, all those "artists" all had the same type of popularity and it was the ONLY reason they got a shot to sing, as Eddie put it once in 1985, "i woke up and said one day, i feel like singing", so spare me how is somehow better or different than a Kardashian or Montag, because he isnt one bit.

NEXT on the AI thing totally correct on de-valuation of music by letting this "public" decide anyhing, shit they elected George Bush a second time after he started a fucking meaningless war. I wouldnt trust the public to pick out a shirt, let alone who gets a record deal, HOWEVER the de-valuing of music also has to be shared with the INTERNET, shit heads on youtube who think they are Tom Hanks in their acting and can get where he has by posting a video of themselves screaming in the mirror, give me a break, the internet has dumbed down everything and everything else is just following ITS LEAD.....just ask things like Twitter and Facebook about meaningless bullshit.

damn that's cold! Aren't we the same public that made MJ and Prince megastars? Give us some credit.

DesireeNevermind said:

lastdecember said:

Ok alot of things are at play here and alot of people are just going off because its a so called reality show star. when in "reality" the reality shows are more scripted than a sitcom, they employ just as many writers. Now not going off on reality shows, thats for another time and place. BUT are we shocked that she is cutting a single or an album whatever? Why wouldnt a label jump on her? this is no different than any other so called pop star at the moment that has plenty of "free face" time on every magazine, between Nicki Minaj and Kim i feel like this is Germany 1938 and Hitler is taking over. NEXT before we put music on this pedastol, her doing a song or Paris or Heidi Montag, its no different than a label throwing a contract at Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Bruce Willis Scott Baio or Leif fucking garrett, all those "artists" all had the same type of popularity and it was the ONLY reason they got a shot to sing, as Eddie put it once in 1985, "i woke up and said one day, i feel like singing", so spare me how is somehow better or different than a Kardashian or Montag, because he isnt one bit.

NEXT on the AI thing totally correct on de-valuation of music by letting this "public" decide anyhing, shit they elected George Bush a second time after he started a fucking meaningless war. I wouldnt trust the public to pick out a shirt, let alone who gets a record deal, HOWEVER the de-valuing of music also has to be shared with the INTERNET, shit heads on youtube who think they are Tom Hanks in their acting and can get where he has by posting a video of themselves screaming in the mirror, give me a break, the internet has dumbed down everything and everything else is just following ITS LEAD.....just ask things like Twitter and Facebook about meaningless bullshit.

damn that's cold! Aren't we the same public that made MJ and Prince megastars? Give us some credit.

Well i dont think that is so, i think if we took a poll on who votes on AI its probably a way different audience than has been into Prince since 1978, i dont know for sure but i think thats fair to say

DesireeNevermind said:

lastdecember said:

Ok alot of things are at play here and alot of people are just going off because its a so called reality show star. when in "reality" the reality shows are more scripted than a sitcom, they employ just as many writers. Now not going off on reality shows, thats for another time and place. BUT are we shocked that she is cutting a single or an album whatever? Why wouldnt a label jump on her? this is no different than any other so called pop star at the moment that has plenty of "free face" time on every magazine, between Nicki Minaj and Kim i feel like this is Germany 1938 and Hitler is taking over. NEXT before we put music on this pedastol, her doing a song or Paris or Heidi Montag, its no different than a label throwing a contract at Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Bruce Willis Scott Baio or Leif fucking garrett, all those "artists" all had the same type of popularity and it was the ONLY reason they got a shot to sing, as Eddie put it once in 1985, "i woke up and said one day, i feel like singing", so spare me how is somehow better or different than a Kardashian or Montag, because he isnt one bit.

NEXT on the AI thing totally correct on de-valuation of music by letting this "public" decide anyhing, shit they elected George Bush a second time after he started a fucking meaningless war. I wouldnt trust the public to pick out a shirt, let alone who gets a record deal, HOWEVER the de-valuing of music also has to be shared with the INTERNET, shit heads on youtube who think they are Tom Hanks in their acting and can get where he has by posting a video of themselves screaming in the mirror, give me a break, the internet has dumbed down everything and everything else is just following ITS LEAD.....just ask things like Twitter and Facebook about meaningless bullshit.

damn that's cold! Aren't we the same public that made MJ and Prince megastars? Give us some credit.

That ain't even the same damn thing!

We made Michael and Prince idols/megastars because their talent GUARANTEED IT!!!!

Fake ass fake personality fake voice and a whack song.

NMuzakNSoul said:

Fake ass fake personality fake voice and a whack song.

Fake body, fake voice, fake hair.

The embodiment of fake.

BlaqueKnight said:

Reality show celebrities need to learn their place. There is a big difference between being a celebrity (Paris Hilton, Kim K, Antione Dobson, etc.) and being a STAR. Hardworking people in the entertainment business hone their crafts for years in order to be able to do what they do. This chick fucked her way into fame and I guess now she feels that she has somehow "outgrown" her reality show box and has started to believe the hype of her "yesgirls" who follow her around , telling her how great she is. "Oh Kim, you can sing!" 'Oh Kim, you should do an album!" "Paris did a CD, Kim!" And now this chick thinks she can buy her way into the music business by hiring the right people. She can.

The music business is done. Shows like American Idol have helped devalue music along with quality control going to pieces. Now, every idiot with an MPC and an autotune plugin believes they are Mozart and every chick who can shake her ass in front of a camera thinks she is a pop star. Television has been the worst thing to happen to the music industry in recent history. Music should not be able to be distracted by visuals.

I'm fed up with celebritart attention whores with attitudes acting fools and being rewarded for it. WTF is wrong with everybody? How the fuck is watching other peoples' lives passing for entertainment these days? These fools are not professionals and as long as people support it, it will remain a staple in our society. We will get CDs from Kim Kardashian, music videos from Antonie Dobson and movies from The Situation or who-the-fuck-ever. I shouldn't even know dude's name. I don't watch any of those shows and yet these weak distractions still seem to somehow seep onto peoples' radars. I want to go back to the day where people had to sing and dance for their suppers instead of parading around in front of a camera saying 'I'm me, look at me" with an attitude.

Kim is cute but has no business in music. This also reinforces what I have been saying about the Dream for ages. He's a hack.

Well now BK, why are you so surprise after the fact? Come on now, THIS is the same Kim Kardashian that was telling people how all of this "success" came about:

[img:$uid]http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/stairs.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/KARDASHIAN-CHRISTMAS-CARD.jpg[/img:$uid]

I did a thread about THAT^ "Christmas Card" in December 2010.

http://prince.org/msg/100/349089

By now, it's so clear in plain sight that Kim has allow herself to be a pawn in the game.

The whole entire entertainment industy (music included) is under bondage. And there is nothing is going to change this unless real music fans stop supporting junk food for their eye & ears. As individuals, we all have personal responsible. We do NOT have to sell-out by supporting OR condoning this crap at all.

So the woman finally got tired of being as a fake-ass, know-nothing, no talent twit? Oh wait...in politically correct language..a "celebutante".

Hate to break it to you Kim....your lack of talent is amplified by this meager try. You and your sisters should just go back to dick-riding famous football players. It's the only way you will stay famous...

Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

damn that's cold! Aren't we the same public that made MJ and Prince megastars? Give us some credit.

That ain't even the same damn thing!

We made Michael and Prince idols/megastars because their talent GUARANTEED IT!!!!

Yeah theres a big difference, i mean i know there are talented people coming out of AI, maybe 2 or 3 that i can see becoming artists, but with someone he could maintain it because of his talent, nowadays Prince would be dropped or better yet not even signed.

WHY THA FUCK EVERYBODY LOOK OLD IN THAT KARDASHIAN FAMILY PIC?

And why do they insist on using the kardashian name when 6 of the family members are either no longer a Kardashian or never have been a Kardashian?

Do people even remember OJ's lawyer/one time friend??? deez bitches....i swear.

Timmy84 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

Fake ass fake personality fake voice and a whack song.

Fake body, fake voice, fake hair.

The embodiment of fake.

lol exactly tim

DesireeNevermind said:

WHY THA FUCK EVERYBODY LOOK OLD IN THAT KARDASHIAN FAMILY PIC?

And why do they insist on using the kardashian name when 6 of the family members are either no longer a Kardashian or never have been a Kardashian?

Do people even remember OJ's lawyer/one time friend??? deez bitches....i swear.

I know right?

Bruce Jenner is not a Kardashian, neither is Lamar Odom or one of those girls' boyfriends or Bruce & what's-her-name's younger daughters.

This show's process and concept is so stupid. Three sisters who do absolutely nothing but pose for pictures and bitch and moan about their rich girl problems.

[Edited 1/3/11 15:07pm]

NDRU said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Reality show celebrities need to learn their place. There is a big difference between being a celebrity (Paris Hilton, Kim K, Antione Dobson, etc.) and being a STAR. Hardworking people in the entertainment business hone their crafts for years in order to be able to do what they do. This chick fucked her way into fame and I guess now she feels that she has somehow "outgrown" her reality show box and has started to believe the hype of her "yesgirls" who follow her around , telling her how great she is. "Oh Kim, you can sing!" 'Oh Kim, you should do an album!" "Paris did a CD, Kim!" And now this chick thinks she can buy her way into the music business by hiring the right people. She can.

The music business is done. Shows like American Idol have helped devalue music along with quality control going to pieces. Now, every idiot with an MPC and an autotune plugin believes they are Mozart and every chick who can shake her ass in front of a camera thinks she is a pop star. Television has been the worst thing to happen to the music industry in recent history. Music should not be able to be distracted by visuals.

I'm fed up with celebritart attention whores with attitudes acting fools and being rewarded for it. WTF is wrong with everybody? How the fuck is watching other peoples' lives passing for entertainment these days? These fools are not professionals and as long as people support it, it will remain a staple in our society. We will get CDs from Kim Kardashian, music videos from Antonie Dobson and movies from The Situation or who-the-fuck-ever. I shouldn't even know dude's name. I don't watch any of those shows and yet these weak distractions still seem to somehow seep onto peoples' radars. I want to go back to the day where people had to sing and dance for their suppers instead of parading around in front of a camera saying 'I'm me, look at me" with an attitude.

Kim is cute but has no business in music. This also reinforces what I have been saying about the Dream for ages. He's a hack.

I totally agree EXCEPT for what you said about American Idol. I think the music industry is in such a bad place, that A.I. is one of the few places promoting people because of some actual musical ability (even if they are not promoting creativity).

Stars like Kim, Paris, and even Britney would never survive American Idol

But don't get me wrong, I have never had any desire to buy the album of someone on that show. I'm just saying they require a bare minimum of musical talent to be on the show, and the music industry does not even require that!

THAT^ don't mean jackshit! Jennifer Hudson is an excellent singer, AND she still didn't getting enough votes to be saved from losing so early on the 3rd season of America Idol.

TonyVanDam said:

NDRU said:

I totally agree EXCEPT for what you said about American Idol. I think the music industry is in such a bad place, that A.I. is one of the few places promoting people because of some actual musical ability (even if they are not promoting creativity).

Stars like Kim, Paris, and even Britney would never survive American Idol

But don't get me wrong, I have never had any desire to buy the album of someone on that show. I'm just saying they require a bare minimum of musical talent to be on the show, and the music industry does not even require that!

THAT^ don't mean jackshit! Jennifer Hudson is an excellent singer, AND she still didn't getting enough votes to be saved from losing so early on the 3rd season of America Idol.

Jennifer really didn't need Idol to fucking begin with and the label she's with is not helping matters either.

Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

WHY THA FUCK EVERYBODY LOOK OLD IN THAT KARDASHIAN FAMILY PIC?

And why do they insist on using the kardashian name when 6 of the family members are either no longer a Kardashian or never have been a Kardashian?

Do people even remember OJ's lawyer/one time friend??? deez bitches....i swear.

I know right?

Bruce Jenner is not a Kardashian, neither is Lamar Odom or one of those girls' boyfriends or Bruce & what's-her-name's younger daughters.

This show's process and concept is so stupid. Three sisters who do absolutely nothing but pose for pictures and bitch and moan about their rich girl problems.

[Edited 1/3/11 15:07pm]

we need a kardashian wiki page that says exactly this ^

fuck it I'm puttin that ish on FB!

DesireeNevermind said:

Timmy84 said:

I know right?

Bruce Jenner is not a Kardashian, neither is Lamar Odom or one of those girls' boyfriends or Bruce & what's-her-name's younger daughters.

This show's process and concept is so stupid. Three sisters who do absolutely nothing but pose for pictures and bitch and moan about their rich girl problems.

[Edited 1/3/11 15:07pm]

we need a kardashian wiki page that says exactly this ^

fuck it I'm puttin that ish on FB!

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

THAT^ don't mean jackshit! Jennifer Hudson is an excellent singer, AND she still didn't getting enough votes to be saved from losing so early on the 3rd season of America Idol.

Jennifer really didn't need Idol to fucking begin with and the label she's with is not helping matters either.

Another point would be Katharine Mcphee who i actually would consider one of the few artists on that show that are actually making moves and getting respect, and lets not forget AMERICA voted for the Jay Leno look-a-like lounge singer over her, because they thought she had an "attitude", this is why Americans shouldnt be allowed to cast votes for this kind of shit, its a singing show, not who do you wanna hang with show. Kat went with Jive, they wanted her to be this sex-kitten like RB Mariah shit singer, result a gold record, half of it was good half sucked ass, her deal was up (idol losers get one record) now she is with Verve. she cut an album that a "singer" should be making, she has respect of actual singers and actual producers not Danja who did her first record. Verve obviously doesnt have the promo $$ to invest, but she mounted a small tour, did the shows, the record so far has move about 198,000 in a year, which is great for that label, and they are working on a new one.

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't agree with the statement about Idol. It's just a reality show disguised as a talent contest. Why you think it got heavy ratings in early episodes? Because people are attracted to the madness created by the people they allow to audition.

As for Kim, girl please.

true it's staged (the bad auditions), and it'a a reality show, and the best people don't always win, but I have not seen anyone win that did not have some ability to sing, and I can say that about quite a few "singers" who came into the industry through other means.

Most of them don't last, true, but Carrie Underwood is a legitimate singer. She's the biggest star in country, and that is not a fluke.

CORRECTION: The biggest star in country (at the moment) is Taylor Swift.

But you're right about everything else. Carrie Underwood is a legitimate singer. So is Faith Hill. So is LeAnn Rimes. So is Shania Twain. And yet, Taylor Swift is still being push as the crossover country-pop leader for 2 years running (2009-present).

Taylor Swift isn't so bad a singer or song writer. She's not my first choice in music of course but I wouldn't burn her CDs either.

Why do orgers shit on her so much?

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Jennifer really didn't need Idol to fucking begin with and the label she's with is not helping matters either.

Another point would be Katharine Mcphee who i actually would consider one of the few artists on that show that are actually making moves and getting respect, and lets not forget AMERICA voted for the Jay Leno look-a-like lounge singer over her, because they thought she had an "attitude", this is why Americans shouldnt be allowed to cast votes for this kind of shit, its a singing show, not who do you wanna hang with show. Kat went with Jive, they wanted her to be this sex-kitten like RB Mariah shit singer, result a gold record, half of it was good half sucked ass, her deal was up (idol losers get one record) now she is with Verve. she cut an album that a "singer" should be making, she has respect of actual singers and actual producers not Danja who did her first record. Verve obviously doesnt have the promo $$ to invest, but she mounted a small tour, did the shows, the record so far has move about 198,000 in a year, which is great for that label, and they are working on a new one.

That's nice to hear about Katherine.

DesireeNevermind said:

Taylor Swift isn't so bad a singer or song writer. She's not my first choice in music of course but I wouldn't burn her CDs either.

Why do orgers shit on her so much?

I don't think no one here HATES her, but they probably think the media attention on her and the critical raves are too much because to them she's really not saying anything different than other teen pop stars, which Taylor technically is as of this moment.

DesireeNevermind said:

lastdecember said:

Ok alot of things are at play here and alot of people are just going off because its a so called reality show star. when in "reality" the reality shows are more scripted than a sitcom, they employ just as many writers. Now not going off on reality shows, thats for another time and place. BUT are we shocked that she is cutting a single or an album whatever? Why wouldnt a label jump on her? this is no different than any other so called pop star at the moment that has plenty of "free face" time on every magazine, between Nicki Minaj and Kim i feel like this is Germany 1938 and Hitler is taking over. NEXT before we put music on this pedastol, her doing a song or Paris or Heidi Montag, its no different than a label throwing a contract at Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Bruce Willis Scott Baio or Leif fucking garrett, all those "artists" all had the same type of popularity and it was the ONLY reason they got a shot to sing, as Eddie put it once in 1985, "i woke up and said one day, i feel like singing", so spare me how is somehow better or different than a Kardashian or Montag, because he isnt one bit.

NEXT on the AI thing totally correct on de-valuation of music by letting this "public" decide anyhing, shit they elected George Bush a second time after he started a fucking meaningless war. I wouldnt trust the public to pick out a shirt, let alone who gets a record deal, HOWEVER the de-valuing of music also has to be shared with the INTERNET, shit heads on youtube who think they are Tom Hanks in their acting and can get where he has by posting a video of themselves screaming in the mirror, give me a break, the internet has dumbed down everything and everything else is just following ITS LEAD.....just ask things like Twitter and Facebook about meaningless bullshit.

damn that's cold! Aren't we the same public that made MJ and Prince megastars? Give us some credit.

The generation of kids/teens that supported Michael & Prince are a lot more knowledgeable about American music history than THIS current generation that is supporting Lil'Wendy & Ke$hit.

Please do NOT confused the two generations ever again.

[Edited 1/3/11 15:54pm]

Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Taylor Swift isn't so bad a singer or song writer. She's not my first choice in music of course but I wouldn't burn her CDs either.

Why do orgers shit on her so much?

I don't think no one here HATES her, but they probably think the media attention on her and the critical raves are too much because to them she's really not saying anything different than other teen pop stars, which Taylor technically is as of this moment.

I do

I don't remember a SINGLE thing from this woman, but I do remember a certain incident concerning a loud mouth negro who was damn near lynched by a whole country who went up in arms because he interrupted her speech.

Shit, even the president had something to say. 20 years from now, we'll look back at this shake our heads at how fuckin' PETTY we were to be entertained by this whole brouhaha.

TonyVanDam said:

DesireeNevermind said:

damn that's cold! Aren't we the same public that made MJ and Prince megastars? Give us some credit.

The generation of kids/teens that supported Michael & Prince are a lot more knowledgeable about American music history than THIS current generation that is supporting Lil'Wendy & Ke$hit.

Please do NOT confused the two generation ever again.

I'm in the middle of the two generations (1984). I feel I relate more to the ones born pre-1984 then the ones born after 1984. Luckily some people from the post-1984 generation have smarts and are not brainwashed.

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't think no one here HATES her, but they probably think the media attention on her and the critical raves are too much because to them she's really not saying anything different than other teen pop stars, which Taylor technically is as of this moment.

I do

I don't remember a SINGLE thing from this woman, but I do remember a certain incident concerning a loud mouth negro who was damn near lynched by a whole country who went up in arms because he interrupted her speech.

Shit, even the president had something to say. 20 years from now, we'll look back at this shake our heads at how fuckin' PETTY we were to be entertained by this whole brouhaha.

Someone should've contained Mr. West that night. The fact that no one dared stopped him is downright cruel.

DesireeNevermind said:

WHY THA FUCK EVERYBODY LOOK OLD IN THAT KARDASHIAN FAMILY PIC?

And why do they insist on using the kardashian name when 6 of the family members are either no longer a Kardashian or never have been a Kardashian?

Do people even remember OJ's lawyer/one time friend??? deez bitches....i swear.

You talking about the late Robert Kardashian.

He must have been one hell of a "sacrifice", because his daughters will not go away from the spotlight at all.

Oops, did I say that?

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:

I do

I don't remember a SINGLE thing from this woman, but I do remember a certain incident concerning a loud mouth negro who was damn near lynched by a whole country who went up in arms because he interrupted her speech.

Shit, even the president had something to say. 20 years from now, we'll look back at this shake our heads at how fuckin' PETTY we were to be entertained by this whole brouhaha.

Someone should've contained Mr. West that night. The fact that no one dared stopped him is downright cruel.

I don't wanna hear a DAMN thing about her being traumatic by this experience If anything, she should go to him and kiss dick for another good measure of luck.

And I don't even like the man

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't think no one here HATES her, but they probably think the media attention on her and the critical raves are too much because to them she's really not saying anything different than other teen pop stars, which Taylor technically is as of this moment.

I do

I don't remember a SINGLE thing from this woman, but I do remember a certain incident concerning a loud mouth negro who was damn near lynched by a whole country who went up in arms because he interrupted her speech.

Shit, even the president had something to say. 20 years from now, we'll look back at this shake our heads at how fuckin' PETTY we were to be entertained by this whole brouhaha.

If she wasn't young, blonde, and cute nobody would have gave two and half fucks.