Unholyalliance said:

whatsgoingon said:

So I guess he choose to mine alot more at his concerts, too...if that were the case not a very good decision.

Also, reading all this Murray trial news makes me sad. I have a bad feeling that I'm going to be finding some things out that I would like not to know of.

Yes, but you have to remember that this is Michael Jackson and almost everything is sensationalized about this man. I will be watching closely. I do believe that it was absolute negligence on Dr. Murray.. the more I read on it, the more reckless it seems. Yes, there will be news coverage that will embellish the truth, but you have to be careful how you put the pieces together. I'm not concerned with conclusions, assumptions, theories, conspiracies, etc. I only want to focus on the evidence and facts.

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

Wow. I think Murray should get 20 + years with him trying to cover up and not get help right away. Had he done that MJ might still be alive.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

alphastreet said:

was it mj that did the oooh and ow at the bridge? I was always crazy about this song

Probably MJ, Marlon Jackson, he produced the track.

yeah I know about marlon writing it and don't stand another chance, always loved his writing

Oh and the reason mj was miming a lot in the 90's was because he had stuff growing on his vocal cords and had to get surgery. I still thought he sounded so amazing, edgy and powerful in his own mj-ish way though, and he would not exactly sound right singing earth song in an off the wall or thriller style manner

I love edgy mj, I love all aspects of him, even from the 70's, The Jacksons were so underrated.

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

I'm not sure if that's accurate. They said that Prince was rushed upstairs after CPR failed and then shortly after, the ambulance came. I can't read stuff like that

BabyBeMine said:

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

Wow. I think Murray should get 20 + years with him trying to cover up and not get help right away. Had he done that MJ might still be alive.

That's the problem right away. Apart from administering an anasthetic unethically, he prolonged and inhibited rescue efforts. Heck, the fact that he gave him a series of drugs before the propofol was insane already. On top of that, he leaves the room to make a 40 min call?! I still can't fathom why his license wasn't revoked and he's still practising.

It's so sad Mike had to do "this is it" to begin with. Sorry but the tour looked vegasy and whilst Mike was only rehearsing, I just thought if he was going to tour, do a whole band thing and take it easy LOL. Stop trying to recapture the past. Who cares about special effects and things. Just him being on stage would of been enough.

Of course I still believe Mike never wanted to do "this is it" but was forced to for money reasons. That in itself was sad. Ditto for Mike not doing an "invincible" tour. he had had enough. Maybe do the occasional special but he didn't need to do all that choreography and flashy shit in a tour anymore.

"this is it" probably killed him. He agreed to do it but it's a shame he thought he had to do it in the first place.

thesexofit said:

It's so sad Mike had to do "this is it" to begin with. Sorry but the tour looked vegasy and whilst Mike was only rehearsing, I just thought if he was going to tour, do a whole band thing and take it easy LOL. Stop trying to recapture the past. Who cares about special effects and things. Just him being on stage would of been enough.

Of course I still believe Mike never wanted to do "this is it" but was forced to for money reasons. That in itself was sad. Ditto for Mike not doing an "invincible" tour. he had had enough. Maybe do the occasional special but he didn't need to do all that choreography and flashy shit in a tour anymore.

"this is it" probably killed him. He agreed to do it but it's a shame he thought he had to do it in the first place.

I read he had planned on doing a small "Invincible World Tour" but shelved it early on

BabyBeMine said:

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

Wow. I think Murray should get 20 + years with him trying to cover up and not get help right away. Had he done that MJ might still be alive.

I asked a doctor friend of mine what could've been done to save MJ and she said if a patient stops breathing, and resuscitation attempts are futile, a tracheotomy is done (or a tube inserted into the trachea). But this would've damaged MJ's vocal chords, hence he wouldn't be able to sing or his voice would become coarse because of sustained damage. But still why didn't he do it? Or at least use the oxygen that was there. He had the equipment to save him...

Also...when i was getting certified in CPR, I learned that only nurses and paramedics are required to learn CPR. Doctors aren't required to, although it is recommended. I know, I was shocked too.

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

It's so sad Mike had to do "this is it" to begin with. Sorry but the tour looked vegasy and whilst Mike was only rehearsing, I just thought if he was going to tour, do a whole band thing and take it easy LOL. Stop trying to recapture the past. Who cares about special effects and things. Just him being on stage would of been enough.

Of course I still believe Mike never wanted to do "this is it" but was forced to for money reasons. That in itself was sad. Ditto for Mike not doing an "invincible" tour. he had had enough. Maybe do the occasional special but he didn't need to do all that choreography and flashy shit in a tour anymore.

"this is it" probably killed him. He agreed to do it but it's a shame he thought he had to do it in the first place.

I read he had planned on doing a small "Invincible World Tour" but shelved it early on

Really? That might of been cool. Imagine him doing "music and me" on stage as an adult. My God I would of probably almost burst into tears of excitement if he ever whipped that track out on stage LOL.

Still waiting on the adult "never can say goodbye" and "I'll be there"

SherryJackson said:

bboy87 said:

Reading that part was the most painful

Knowing what those kids experienced and are still dealing with.......

Jesus I know......

I hope it's not true...

sorry, but it is true. in spite of the source, they are basing it on actual testimony of mj's security detail. not only that, but the poor babies were telling the doctors what mj was allergic to, thinking they were helping the doctors, not knowing that their father was dead.

bboy87 said:

I read he had planned on doing a small "Invincible World Tour" but shelved it early on

I didn't know he cosidered that. I do recall him saying that he would be interested in doing a few special shows (e.g. 30th Anniversary), but that the whole debacle with Sony happened because he refused to go on a full scale tour.

thesexofit said:

Really? That might of been cool. Imagine him doing "music and me" on stage as an adult. My God I would of probably almost burst into tears of excitement if he ever whipped that track out on stage LOL.

Still waiting on the adult "never can say goodbye" and "I'll be there"

I know right

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

I read he had planned on doing a small "Invincible World Tour" but shelved it early on

Really? That might of been cool. Imagine him doing "music and me" on stage as an adult. My God I would of probably almost burst into tears of excitement if he ever whipped that track out on stage LOL.

Still waiting on the adult "never can say goodbye" and "I'll be there"

I'm always searching

Some fan recently got his hands on some Bad Tour 88 shows. he posted snippets but won't share the full shows

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I see no news being reported on the case on the big sites over here. There´s nothing even on yahoo´s main site. I am not sure if it´s a good thing or not.

Anyways, it is going to be very painful to watch, but I pray the truth comes out and that the people responsible are punished.

BTW, what type of cream that the public should not know about are they talking about?

Swa said:

^^ As for This Is It - I think the film did a good thing for Michael. It was "rushed" out 4 months after Michael's death because people wanted to see the footage - and it did a great job in reminding people about his brilliance and what could have been. It also went a long way in the general public's mind to disway the "unfit" and "on death's door" reports that were circulating at the time.

A year after his death, the general public wouldn't have cared that much about seeing it.

I for one was glad it was released when it was and that a lot of people got to see MJ in his element.

Exactly! I am also glad that TII was released so soon after Michael's death. It shut up Joe and Leonard Rowe's mouth about Michael being too drugged up to rehears and that it was a double on TII. It reminded people that Michael was in CONTROL and that his dancing and singing was better than ever. Finally, it showed the world just what was in store for us during the TII concerts.

Does anyone else find it disturbing that this "Doctor" is only charged with "INVOLUNTARY manslaughter" but adminsistered Propofol outside of a hospital setting, left michael alone to go make F**king phone calls, and then when he comes back in the room and finds michael NOT BREATHING He has the nerve to call a bodyguard and his 12 yr old son prince to watch his father die, while he does ONE HANDED CPR ON A SOFT BED , like wtf and all the security tapes in the house conviently are missing..... something is deffinatly up

thesexofit said:

It's so sad Mike had to do "this is it" to begin with. Sorry but the tour looked vegasy and whilst Mike was only rehearsing, I just thought if he was going to tour, do a whole band thing and take it easy LOL. Stop trying to recapture the past. Who cares about special effects and things. Just him being on stage would of been enough.

Of course I still believe Mike never wanted to do "this is it" but was forced to for money reasons. That in itself was sad. Ditto for Mike not doing an "invincible" tour. he had had enough. Maybe do the occasional special but he didn't need to do all that choreography and flashy shit in a tour anymore.

"this is it" probably killed him. He agreed to do it but it's a shame he thought he had to do it in the first place.

He was planning an Invincible tour but post 9/11 he shelved it all - and with the album not doing as well as hoped he just let it be.

The sad part of Michael's career, in my opinion, is that he couldn't win with the public which ever way he wanted to do this is it. Remember prior to his death there were bogus reports he would only be on stage for 13 minutes, or that he wasn't doing any dancing. Like it or not, people wanted an MJ tour to be an MJ tour - all singing all dancing. If he hadn't had danced he would have been slaughtered by the critics and haters saying he was past it. If he did you had people saying it was too much hype etc.

I think Mike wanted to do this is it, he had offers earlier on years before to do shows that would have rescued him financially but chose not to. Sure the money was a good sweetener but not the only motivator. I think Mike wanted to come back, and come back big. I don't think he liked being thought of as an oldies act, or a hasbeen. He was still hungry.

Maybe misguided, but I think some of the stories around the time of the tour and rehearsals might have been designed to create the whole - he can't do it vibe - just so that when he hit the stage on opening night and delivered that kind of show - the press would have to give him props. As it turned out the reviews of This Is It did just that - they all talked about a strong man, in his element, in control, with his wits about him - not the image they had all thought of in their mind.

Sometimes with Mike it was all about the razzle dazzle - both his strength and his weakness.

mjwifey4l said:

Does anyone else find it disturbing that this "Doctor" is only charged with "INVOLUNTARY manslaughter" but adminsistered Propofol outside of a hospital setting, left michael alone to go make F**king phone calls, and then when he comes back in the room and finds michael NOT BREATHING He has the nerve to call a bodyguard and his 12 yr old son prince to watch his father die, while he does ONE HANDED CPR ON A SOFT BED , like wtf and all the security tapes in the house conviently are missing..... something is deffinatly up

The legal system is all about intent - Murray didn't intend to murder Michael, but by his actions he lead to the death - thus manslaughter (i don't think there is such as thing as voluntary manslaughter).

This "MJ told his mother he was gonna be murdered" is just a way for the family to shift the blame to rich entities, particularly AEG, and make Murray (the one without money) look like a scapegoat. They want to sue someone rich for his death which is why they wanna make it seem as if MJ was the victim of an enormous conspiracy by rich entities. Obviously, they don't like the "MJ suicided" theory since that way they wouldn't have anyone to sue, which would explain why Oxman and Joe immeadiately released a statement minutes fater Chernoff indicated MJ had suicided. The family is constantly talking about "MJ's last days", claiming he was "lost, drugged up, weak and fragile" so they can make it seem like AEG pushed him even though he was in such poor a state. This whole "MJ was the victim of a conspiracy" is just a way for the family to have a reason to shift the blame of his death to someone rich so they can sue it and get a payday. Hence why they describe MJ as a weak, iditioc, drug addled person constanly rambling about being the victim of an enormous conspiracy, while Murray is just the scapegoat.

Think different

MyLuv229 said:

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

I'm not sure if that's accurate. They said that Prince was rushed upstairs after CPR failed and then shortly after, the ambulance came. I can't read stuff like that

It was a bodyguards testimony. The news reporter read it out pretty much like that, and it's shown up on numerous news websites. Whether it's accurate in the first place, i don't know. I hope not cause that is pretty harrowing.

Frank DiLeo Planning Tell-All Book

Just remembering Michael this morning and took a good listen to the songs This Is It and Hold My Hand and I have really grown to love both songs Amazing how clear and beautiful his voice still was on This Is It-I can't believe he has been gone this long already

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

This image stuck in my head and after a long time it made me cry. I really don´t know what to think of it if this is true. First I thought that Mike died in his sleep. That he was given that stupid Propofol which put him to sleep that he never woke up from. But if he died with open eyes, it means that he was awake and he probably died knowing he was dying. If Mike had open eyes and was lying there motionless, how come Murray noticed he´s not breathing so late? As I said, I thought that he was sleeping and I could imagine that if someone has closed eyes and looks like they´re sleeping, you may not notice right away that they are not breathing, but if he was lying like that?!?!?!?!?!?!? WTF!!!?!?!?! I hope he goes to jail for a long time! DAMN IT!!! This is gonna be tough.

dag said:

Marrk said:

Prince was two steps in the bedroom and Paris was on her hands and knees crying outside the room while her father lay on the bed wide-eyed and open-mouthed (probably dead) while that stupid Doctor was asking if anyone knew CPR.

According to Sky News.

[Edited 1/4/11 15:14pm]

This image stuck in my head and after a long time it made me cry. I really don´t know what to think of it if this is true. First I thought that Mike died in his sleep. That he was given that stupid Propofol which put him to sleep that he never woke up from. But if he died with open eyes, it means that he was awake and he probably died knowing he was dying. If Mike had open eyes and was lying there motionless, how come Murray noticed he´s not breathing so late? As I said, I thought that he was sleeping and I could imagine that if someone has closed eyes and looks like they´re sleeping, you may not notice right away that they are not breathing, but if he was lying like that?!?!?!?!?!?!? WTF!!!?!?!?! I hope he goes to jail for a long time! DAMN IT!!! This is gonna be tough.

this really made me cry

ali23 said:

Frank DiLeo Planning Tell-All Book

I bet you by the time those kids turn 21 or so, they will also have books talking about who Michael as their father out as well.

[Edited 1/5/11 10:12am]

Who the hell was it that said this Dr was giving cpr in the Prone position? Are they for real? Any fool knows Prone is on the stomach Has to be a typo

I wish Messareau (or how you spell his name) led this case as well.

http://home.mjnewsalerts.com/2011/01/03/thomas-mesereau-on-the-murray-case/

dag said:

I wish Messareau (or how you spell his name) led this case as well.

http://home.mjnewsalerts.com/2011/01/03/thomas-mesereau-on-the-murray-case/

Think his name is Tom and he is a good lawyer To be honest I really think this Dr is gonna get off with Murder I think he won't spend one day in jail but I hope I'm wrong.

I Can't Help It I miss him so much

My fav pic of Michael

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