Militant said:

sag10 said:

It is well known that Michael had a collapsed lung, and lupus which can attack any organ in the body.

I'm a little ignorant about what exactly Lupus does to the body. I didn't know it would have caused lung scarring. I really know very little about it.

I think I read something before about the collapsed lung, but can anyone refresh my memory?

Hmmm a collapsed lung? I didn't hear about that.

But I can fill you in a little about Lupus. Lupus is an autoimmune disease where (like many others) the immune system begins to attack the body's healthy tissue, causing inflammation, and tissue damage. Depending on the nature of the disease, it can attack anywhere in the body (i.e muscle tissue, nerve endings, etc.) The disease is most commonly found in the African American community, and is more prevalent among women than men. But genetics and other factors play a role in you getting the disease. Interesting to note, vitiligo is known in the medical community as the "buddy" disease. It always comes with a side disease, like Lupus, MS, etc.

There are many symptoms for Lupus, which include rashes on the skin, hair loss, joint pain (which resemble that of rhematoid arthritis but not as disabling), anemia in the blood, heart problems, and lung problems (i.e inflammation of lung tissue which might lead to many other lung diseases, including pneumonia and interstitial lung disease). In some cases, if not caught quickly enough, it can be fatal.

There is no cure for Lupus, but it can be controlled by taking corticosteroids (i.e Prednizone) to reduce the inflammation and recurrent "flare-ups". Although the treatment does cause substantial weight gain, I never saw Michael ever gaining weight (the signs of taking steroids are very apparent and can't be mistaken. i.e the "moon face", weight around the midsection). In some cases, treatment may lead to blindness. But the benefit of treatment outweigh the side-effects.

Most people with Lupus, with treatment, lead healthy active lives. The disease does have remission periods and depending on the person, the remission might be anywhere between a few days to a few years. Longest remission I've heard about was around 20 years and still going strong.

It was quite obvious when he would be sick or ill, it showed up in his face. When he was healthier that all disappeared. I always thought what was going on with his face was more medical than it ever was surgical. He definitely was sick when he did the MSG concerts, you could tell. His eyes looked dazed and his nose looked all clogged up. I'm surprised he performed as well as he did that night.

Timmy84 said:

It was quite obvious when he would be sick or ill, it showed up in his face. When he was healthier that all disappeared. I always thought what was going on with his face was more medical than it ever was surgical. He definitely was sick when he did the MSG concerts, you could tell. His eyes looked dazed and his nose looked all clogged up. I'm surprised he performed as well as he did that night.

Yeah I remember that! It looked like he didn't sleep much either...

Poor baby....

Now that I think about it...there was a picture of him with Destiny's child. His face did look rather "moonfaced" then.... Can anyone post that again?

SherryJackson said:

Timmy84 said:

It was quite obvious when he would be sick or ill, it showed up in his face. When he was healthier that all disappeared. I always thought what was going on with his face was more medical than it ever was surgical. He definitely was sick when he did the MSG concerts, you could tell. His eyes looked dazed and his nose looked all clogged up. I'm surprised he performed as well as he did that night.

Yeah I remember that! It looked like he didn't sleep much either...

Poor baby....

Now that I think about it...there was a picture of him with Destiny's child. His face did look rather "moonfaced" then.... Can anyone post that again?

I'm sure someone would post it but I remember that one. He looked lost.

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Paddy Dunning says that he and Michael Jackson became friends during his stay: “Michael actually spent most of his time recording in Studio Two. He really seemed to like the sound of that room,” he says.

“What was amazing for me was discovering just how incredible Michael was at playing any instrument. He’d sit at the piano and play all the Beatles songs for us to all sing along to, or get on the drums, or play guitar. Michael was working with people like Rodney Jerkins, Will.i.am and other musicians, but the tracks he recorded were never finished.”

Ken Waters adds: “We still have one of Michael’s old keyboards here. It’s a battered old Casio keyboard that I actually nearly threw out by accident. I guess he just used it for ideas or as a MIDI controller.”

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SherryJackson said:

Timmy84 said:

It was quite obvious when he would be sick or ill, it showed up in his face. When he was healthier that all disappeared. I always thought what was going on with his face was more medical than it ever was surgical. He definitely was sick when he did the MSG concerts, you could tell. His eyes looked dazed and his nose looked all clogged up. I'm surprised he performed as well as he did that night.

Yeah I remember that! It looked like he didn't sleep much either...

Poor baby....

Now that I think about it...there was a picture of him with Destiny's child. His face did look rather "moonfaced" then.... Can anyone post that again?

sweetheart...

MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia

I dont what to say!

ali23 said:

MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia

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MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia
1/13/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff


TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson subjected one of his children to the same risky medical treatment that eventually killed him.



Sources tell TMZ ... Michael cajoled a Las Vegas dentist into performing a procedure on Blanket in July, 2008, that involved putting the boy under anesthesia for 2 hours in a dental office that did not have the necessary permit for anesthesia.

TMZ has obtained internal documents from the Nevada Board of Dental Examiners, which detail Michael Jackson's interactions with Dr. Mark Tadrissi. According to the documents, Tadrissi told Michael he couldn't perform the procedure on Blanket because he lacked the permit.

According to the Board's investigator, Michael didn't want to hear about permits and told the doctor, "Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Tadrissi capitulated and performed the 2 hour procedure on Blanket ... who was 6 years old at the time. An anesthesiologist had Blanket sedated the entire time.

Now here's where it gets mysterious. The Board -- which learned of Tadrissi's actions after Michael died -- initiated a disciplinary action against Tadrissi for allowing Blanket to be anesthetized in his office. The Board also went after Dr. Tadrissi for allowing Michael to receive Propofol in his office, without the proper permit.

Dr. Tadrissi struck a deal with the Board in 2010 in which he was sanctioned. In a draft of the report, the Board based the sanctions on his treatment of both Blanket and Michael. But in the final version of the report Blanket was taken completely out -- there is no mention of the boy or his treatment.

One source connected with the investigation tells TMZ ... pressure was put on the Board to omit Blanket from the report, and when the final version was issued, the discipline was based solely on Michael's treatment.
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I dont what to say!

What? Let me wait and see if it's true.

‘Glee’ Cast “Shot All Night” for Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” Cover

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The long wait for Glee to return will be totally worth it — they’ll be covering Michael Jackson’s “Thriller.”

“It was a huge production. We we’re shooting that until 6:30 in the morning,” Cory Monteith told Access Hollywood (via MTV News). “We shot all night, and it was probably one of the most physical numbers that we’ve ever done. I was lifting Naya Rivera at one point in the dance. It was really active. We had the whole USC band wrapped in to this number as you can see in the photos. It was awesome.”

“I’ve been pushing very obnoxiously for a very, very long time, so I’m beyond thrilled that we do Michael Jackson,” Kevin McHale said of his “favorite artist ever.”

And Dianna Agron was so excited by performing the song she smiled the whole time!

“The whole night, everybody kept saying, ‘Why are you laughing so much? Why are you smiling so much?’ ” she told Access Hollywood. “I was just in my element. I was in huge makeup, huge hair, huge costume, the stuff that I loved the most, which is why I loved ‘Rocky [Horror Picture Show]‘ so much.”

Even though Matthew Morrison didn’t get to perform the song, he still went to the filming to watch it in action.

We actually shot it, like, a couple nights ago,” he explained. “I actually went out to see it. We shot it in Long Beach and at a high school that we used their football field at. It was stunning. It’s so weird with this show. We keep outdoing ourselves. It’s like, ‘What is there left to do?’ This number is just fantastic.”

But that won’t be the only fantastic song when Glee returns for their post-Super Bowl show. They’ll also be performing songs by Katy Perry, Lady Antebellum and the Black Eyed Peas.

http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/01/glee-cast-shot-all-night-for-michael-jacksons-thriller-cover/

Does anyone know why Michael's hands have grown so much?

Does anyone know why sometimes his nails appear to be black?

Ive heard people say the reason his hands grew is because the lupus,but I havent found anything to prove that's true!

If you look at Mike's hands in the 80's they dont look anything like they did in more recent years,his hands were far more slender.

Any answers?

Please!

ali23 said:

MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia

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MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia
1/13/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff


TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson subjected one of his children to the same risky medical treatment that eventually killed him.



Sources tell TMZ ... Michael cajoled a Las Vegas dentist into performing a procedure on Blanket in July, 2008, that involved putting the boy under anesthesia for 2 hours in a dental office that did not have the necessary permit for anesthesia.

TMZ has obtained internal documents from the Nevada Board of Dental Examiners, which detail Michael Jackson's interactions with Dr. Mark Tadrissi. According to the documents, Tadrissi told Michael he couldn't perform the procedure on Blanket because he lacked the permit.

According to the Board's investigator, Michael didn't want to hear about permits and told the doctor, "Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Tadrissi capitulated and performed the 2 hour procedure on Blanket ... who was 6 years old at the time. An anesthesiologist had Blanket sedated the entire time.

Now here's where it gets mysterious. The Board -- which learned of Tadrissi's actions after Michael died -- initiated a disciplinary action against Tadrissi for allowing Blanket to be anesthetized in his office. The Board also went after Dr. Tadrissi for allowing Michael to receive Propofol in his office, without the proper permit.

Dr. Tadrissi struck a deal with the Board in 2010 in which he was sanctioned. In a draft of the report, the Board based the sanctions on his treatment of both Blanket and Michael. But in the final version of the report Blanket was taken completely out -- there is no mention of the boy or his treatment.

One source connected with the investigation tells TMZ ... pressure was put on the Board to omit Blanket from the report, and when the final version was issued, the discipline was based solely on Michael's treatment.
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I dont what to say!

"Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Seriously they are going to try and make Michael a villian... What ever had to be done to Blanket was a 2 hour procedure...

sag10 said:

ali23 said:

MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia

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MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia
1/13/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff


TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson subjected one of his children to the same risky medical treatment that eventually killed him.



Sources tell TMZ ... Michael cajoled a Las Vegas dentist into performing a procedure on Blanket in July, 2008, that involved putting the boy under anesthesia for 2 hours in a dental office that did not have the necessary permit for anesthesia.

TMZ has obtained internal documents from the Nevada Board of Dental Examiners, which detail Michael Jackson's interactions with Dr. Mark Tadrissi. According to the documents, Tadrissi told Michael he couldn't perform the procedure on Blanket because he lacked the permit.

According to the Board's investigator, Michael didn't want to hear about permits and told the doctor, "Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Tadrissi capitulated and performed the 2 hour procedure on Blanket ... who was 6 years old at the time. An anesthesiologist had Blanket sedated the entire time.

Now here's where it gets mysterious. The Board -- which learned of Tadrissi's actions after Michael died -- initiated a disciplinary action against Tadrissi for allowing Blanket to be anesthetized in his office. The Board also went after Dr. Tadrissi for allowing Michael to receive Propofol in his office, without the proper permit.

Dr. Tadrissi struck a deal with the Board in 2010 in which he was sanctioned. In a draft of the report, the Board based the sanctions on his treatment of both Blanket and Michael. But in the final version of the report Blanket was taken completely out -- there is no mention of the boy or his treatment.

One source connected with the investigation tells TMZ ... pressure was put on the Board to omit Blanket from the report, and when the final version was issued, the discipline was based solely on Michael's treatment.
....................................

I dont what to say!

"Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Seriously they are going to try and make Michael a villian... What ever had to be done to Blanket was a 2 hour procedure...

hmm.....idk....

I personally don't think Michael would intentionally put Blanket at risk. A two hour procedure? Must've been pretty serious and/or painful for Michael to have insisted so. We'll see.....I don't appreciate the tone here though.

ali23 said:

Does anyone know why Michael's hands have grown so much?

Does anyone know why sometimes his nails appear to be black?

Ive heard people say the reason his hands grew is because the lupus,but I havent found anything to prove that's true!

If you look at Mike's hands in the 80's they dont look anything like they did in more recent years,his hands were far more slender.

Any answers?

Please!

That's just perspective on that photo. I think it's a bit of a myth they changed. Michael always had large hands even as a child.

As for the colour of his nails, You can't get benoquin under the nails. That might sound negative but with the vitiligo and the fact he was using cream to try and even his skin tone everywhere, well his nails just looked weird. Kudos to him for not putting light nail varnish on to hide them. I guess he didn't care too much.

SherryJackson said:

sag10 said:

"Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Seriously they are going to try and make Michael a villian... What ever had to be done to Blanket was a 2 hour procedure...

hmm.....idk....

I personally don't think Michael would intentionally put Blanket at risk. A two hour procedure? Must've been pretty serious and/or painful for Michael to have insisted so. We'll see.....I don't appreciate the tone here though.

Not ALL TMZ prints is the truth. Remember that.

Taken from another MJ fan website regarding the TMZ article:

Hmm.. It seems a bit 'tabloid' to me. Here's what I get out of this:

Michael took Blanket to the dentist. Blanket needed an op. Michael didn't want Blanket under any pain, so asked the doctor to put him under anaesthetic (perfectly understandable for a parent to want his 6 year old son under anaesthetic at the dentist - the YouTube video of that little boy in the car after an op comes to mind). The doctor told Michael that he couldn't because he didn't have the permit, so Michael said to get ananaesthesiologist to do it, so Blanket could have the op done without it hurting too much.

Fairly innocent, if you ask me. The one thing that I don't get, is that the doctor allowed Michael to be administered with Propofol in his office. That's a little disturbing.

Timmy84 said:

SherryJackson said:

hmm.....idk....

I personally don't think Michael would intentionally put Blanket at risk. A two hour procedure? Must've been pretty serious and/or painful for Michael to have insisted so. We'll see.....I don't appreciate the tone here though.

Not ALL TMZ prints is the truth. Remember that.

Amen to that!

sag10 said:

ali23 said:

MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia

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MJ Pushed Dr. To Improperly Give Son Anesthesia
1/13/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff


TMZ has learned ... Michael Jackson subjected one of his children to the same risky medical treatment that eventually killed him.



Sources tell TMZ ... Michael cajoled a Las Vegas dentist into performing a procedure on Blanket in July, 2008, that involved putting the boy under anesthesia for 2 hours in a dental office that did not have the necessary permit for anesthesia.

TMZ has obtained internal documents from the Nevada Board of Dental Examiners, which detail Michael Jackson's interactions with Dr. Mark Tadrissi. According to the documents, Tadrissi told Michael he couldn't perform the procedure on Blanket because he lacked the permit.

According to the Board's investigator, Michael didn't want to hear about permits and told the doctor, "Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Tadrissi capitulated and performed the 2 hour procedure on Blanket ... who was 6 years old at the time. An anesthesiologist had Blanket sedated the entire time.

Now here's where it gets mysterious. The Board -- which learned of Tadrissi's actions after Michael died -- initiated a disciplinary action against Tadrissi for allowing Blanket to be anesthetized in his office. The Board also went after Dr. Tadrissi for allowing Michael to receive Propofol in his office, without the proper permit.

Dr. Tadrissi struck a deal with the Board in 2010 in which he was sanctioned. In a draft of the report, the Board based the sanctions on his treatment of both Blanket and Michael. But in the final version of the report Blanket was taken completely out -- there is no mention of the boy or his treatment.

One source connected with the investigation tells TMZ ... pressure was put on the Board to omit Blanket from the report, and when the final version was issued, the discipline was based solely on Michael's treatment.
....................................

I dont what to say!

"Have an anesthesiologist do whatever type of sedation required."

Seriously they are going to try and make Michael a villian... What ever had to be done to Blanket was a 2 hour procedure...

Same thing I was thinking

Michael must have been using makeup to cover the vitiligo as early as 1984. Apparently this glove is from the Victory Tour.

I have to wear a great deal of makeup on my face when I perform due to skin problems of my own (not something I want to particularly discuss, but I too have a skin condition that requires multiple prescription strength creams to keep under control and frequent dermatologist consultations), so I often get stains like these on headgear, and sometimes around the neckline of shirts after I change out of my performance clothes.

I can't imagine the frustration of having to do that on other places around the body too Poor Michael.

Militant said:

Michael must have been using makeup to cover the vitiligo as early as 1984. Apparently this glove is from the Victory Tour.

I have to wear a great deal of makeup on my face when I perform due to skin problems of my own (not something I want to particularly discuss, but I too have a skin condition that requires multiple prescription strength creams to keep under control and frequent dermatologist consultations), so I often get stains like these on headgear, and sometimes around the neckline of shirts after I change out of my performance clothes.

I can't imagine the frustration of having to do that on other places around the body too Poor Michael.

During the last shows of the Victory Tour, he was wearing layer upon layer of makeup

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bboy87 said:

Militant said:

Michael must have been using makeup to cover the vitiligo as early as 1984. Apparently this glove is from the Victory Tour.

I have to wear a great deal of makeup on my face when I perform due to skin problems of my own (not something I want to particularly discuss, but I too have a skin condition that requires multiple prescription strength creams to keep under control and frequent dermatologist consultations), so I often get stains like these on headgear, and sometimes around the neckline of shirts after I change out of my performance clothes.

I can't imagine the frustration of having to do that on other places around the body too Poor Michael.

During the last shows of the Victory Tour, he was wearing layer upon layer of makeup

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Yeah the vitiligo started to really affect him in 1984.

Man, that last Victory Tour pic is really something. You can really see that he was having a lot of problems at that point. I knew that he was wearing a lot of facial makeup by that time, but until I saw that picture of the glove I'd never really stopped to consider that he was applying it to his hands and arms as well in '84.

I guess because of "Thriller" you always tend to think that his skin tone was still really dark at that point, but under the flash of those cameras you can see that he was already having considerable problems at that point with the vitiligo.

I mean obviously I wasn't alive at during this time but it's hard for me to fathom how the media and people at the time didn't believe that he had a skin condition and were accusing him of all sorts of things. Like, it's plainly obvious, you can see it.

Militant said:

Man, that last Victory Tour pic is really something. You can really see that he was having a lot of problems at that point. I knew that he was wearing a lot of facial makeup by that time, but until I saw that picture of the glove I'd never really stopped to consider that he was applying it to his hands and arms as well in '84.

I guess because of "Thriller" you always tend to think that his skin tone was still really dark at that point, but under the flash of those cameras you can see that he was already having considerable problems at that point with the vitiligo.

I mean obviously I wasn't alive at during this time but it's hard for me to fathom how the media and people at the time didn't believe that he had a skin condition and were accusing him of all sorts of things. Like, it's plainly obvious, you can see it.

I've noticed in several pictures from 1983-89, he wore alot of makeup on his hands you can see the difference on his hands, neck, and face that something was going on

bboy87 said:

Militant said:

Man, that last Victory Tour pic is really something. You can really see that he was having a lot of problems at that point. I knew that he was wearing a lot of facial makeup by that time, but until I saw that picture of the glove I'd never really stopped to consider that he was applying it to his hands and arms as well in '84.

I guess because of "Thriller" you always tend to think that his skin tone was still really dark at that point, but under the flash of those cameras you can see that he was already having considerable problems at that point with the vitiligo.

I mean obviously I wasn't alive at during this time but it's hard for me to fathom how the media and people at the time didn't believe that he had a skin condition and were accusing him of all sorts of things. Like, it's plainly obvious, you can see it.

I've noticed in several pictures from 1983-89, he wore alot of makeup on his hands you can see the difference on his hands, neck, and face that something was going on

Yep. His case was extreme loss of pigmentation. They say stress plays a lot in the quicker development of vitiligo and clearly you can tell it had its effect on Michael by the end of the '80s.

Militant said:

Man, that last Victory Tour pic is really something. You can really see that he was having a lot of problems at that point. I knew that he was wearing a lot of facial makeup by that time, but until I saw that picture of the glove I'd never really stopped to consider that he was applying it to his hands and arms as well in '84.

I guess because of "Thriller" you always tend to think that his skin tone was still really dark at that point, but under the flash of those cameras you can see that he was already having considerable problems at that point with the vitiligo.

I mean obviously I wasn't alive at during this time but it's hard for me to fathom how the media and people at the time didn't believe that he had a skin condition and were accusing him of all sorts of things. Like, it's plainly obvious, you can see it.

It's called hindsight. But, in all honesty, if the internet existed back then I'm more than certain that a lot of things would have been perceived a whole lot differently. In the future, people will see these pics and wonder the same thing.

It's like that saying: It's easier to see in when you are out, but harder to look out when you are in.

So it seems perhaps 1983-1984 was Michael's worst year in terms of his skin condition (and his best in terms of career achievements.... kinda ironic).

I always thought '86 was where his condition worsened because of the differece between how he looked in 1985 - "We Are The World" etc, and then how he looked in '87 when "Bad" got released.

But I guess it's more like in '86 he took more drastic measures to curb the problems, and began wearing much lighter makeup, etc.

I'm sure I heard before that he had a procedure to remove the remaning dark pigmentation because doing that would cause less damage than letting it destroy itself. I don't know if that's true though. Anyone know anything more about that? It's obvious something happened in one way or another because even in Captain EO which was in '86, he still looked darker than how he looked by the time "Bad" came out and he was shooting the videos.

In '87 his skin tone was the same as mine, more or less. And I'm mixed race English and Punjabi, people think I'm Mexican when I'm in the US.

Unholyalliance said:

Militant said:

Man, that last Victory Tour pic is really something. You can really see that he was having a lot of problems at that point. I knew that he was wearing a lot of facial makeup by that time, but until I saw that picture of the glove I'd never really stopped to consider that he was applying it to his hands and arms as well in '84.

I guess because of "Thriller" you always tend to think that his skin tone was still really dark at that point, but under the flash of those cameras you can see that he was already having considerable problems at that point with the vitiligo.

I mean obviously I wasn't alive at during this time but it's hard for me to fathom how the media and people at the time didn't believe that he had a skin condition and were accusing him of all sorts of things. Like, it's plainly obvious, you can see it.

It's called hindsight. But, in all honesty, if the internet existed back then I'm more than certain that a lot of things would have been perceived a whole lot differently. In the future, people will see these pics and wonder the same thing.

It's like that saying: It's easier to see in when you are out, but harder to look out when you are in.

^^ During that period between Victory and Bad there wasn't a lot of pics out there of Michael. I remember as a kid I had a poster from the Billie Jean video shoot on my wall, and there seemed to be some colour difference on his ear. I thought it looked weird but put it down to the print.

From a media and mass public point of view the only real reference point they had for Michael was from Thriller and WATW then all of a sudden a lighter skinned Michael on BAD. It didn't help that prior to the release of Bad Michael also underwent further plastic surgery. So the media got caught up in the whole appearance and saw the plastic surgery and lighter skin as one and the same.

Also Michael (rightly or wrongly) was so private about his skin condition that it would take him 5 more years to talk about having Vitilago. By that stage people had already bought into the whole "he wants to look white" crap and thought he was just making excuses.